Thanks to Squarespace for making this video possible, along with The Watch Movement for providing the cringe mobile ad clip; you can check out his work here: th-cam.com/channels/nuViqRaK2ZB045D34CbeqA.html For anyone wondering about the advert audio - I was forced to try and isolate to vocals from the bgm, in order to avoid potential false copyright strikes on the channel (so, it's a bit muffled). Thanks, Ben
Gotta say Ben that is possibly the best piece of TH-cam horological journalism I think I've ever seen and immensely entertaining to boot! That darts segment killed me 😂 awesome work mate and needless to say Fillipo Loreti are to be avoided like the plague! I salute you sir.
Coming from Poland, just across the border from Lithuania, I can tell we have a ton o local brand with "Italian" names. "Gino Rossi" shoes springs to mind, there's even Polish pasta brand with "Italian" name ;)
In the back-streets in a city? Bingo. The only reason you get stopped about your watch is to hand it over (especially if it’s a big Submariner of sorts). Had an experience like that in Berlin a few years ago (not Rolex, I wouldn’t buy one let alone walk around Berlin in the ‘immigrants’ area of town at 2am)
@@anonimushbosh Not just microbrands. Union Glashütte has this whole affordable luxury crap on their website while being a decent brand owned by the Swatch Group.
A brand like MVMT/Vincero aren't good value for money, but if someone wants to pay too much for a Chinese watch and are happy with what they got, there's nothing wrong with that... Especially when there are channels like this one, out here, providing the information you need to make a solid purchase. But if a company like this is actively deceptive, or worse, a scam... it's disgusting. Thank you for continuing to expose dodgy companies like this one!
@1betterthanyou1 I personally own 2 Vincero watches, and they’ve never had issues yet (for the 4 months I’ve had them, so keep that in mind). I’m not going 2 say it’s high quality or that it cuts out the middle men, cuz it doesn’t, but I do like the way they look, and it operates good enough for me. The customer service is also good, the delivery dates are reliable, and it seems like the company is open about their product, even saying that the founders themselves moved to China, which is something that most companies don’t have the balls 2 do. It builds trust with the company, and it seems like said trust is being backed up by their more recent investments that u brought up. My only hope is that they rebrand from an “Affordable Luxury Watch” brand to a fashion watch brand, which is much more accurate
Nah if you want a Chinese watch just get one on alibaba. When I was a kid and didn’t have too much money I loved getting cheap Chinese watches. There’s really nothing wrong with the quartz movement, even a $6 Chinese watch can be fairly accurate. The problem is when brands try to sell that $6 for $200 without making any changes.
Jeeef The Great naaa it’s ok. I’m ahead. Covering serious watch brands that aren’t full of crap.
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@@jeeefthegreat7555 incel?
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@@jeeefthegreat7555 more like in the sense of negative attitude towards girls (incels see girls as like the lowest beings, cause they r butthurt lol), cause u used chick as kind of an insult if i understand right? Bit fucked up tbh m8
Dont be ashamed, they are in every country, its just that some countries its easier for them to practice. And dont get me started on politicians lol ;)
Nobody stops anyone in the street to talk about a watch unless they want it off your wrist at knifepoint. What a load of nonsense this brand is. It's a pity there aren't laws to stop people pretending to be Italian or luxury or just plain old "snake oil" salespeople.
Exactly. They're appealing to a certain type of very sad person, who thinks that a watch is going to make them popular or cool or whatever. I for one don't buy watches to receive compliments - I'd honestly be happy for people to not speak to me. I buy them because I enjoy them.
Weird how people rarely talk about this as one of their shady advertisements points, or so I have seen. If someone comes to me just to compliment my watch, especially a complete stranger, I'd be scared shitless, because for sure it's a robber coming for me. I'd like a watch to look good, but being a robbery magnet would surely detour me away from buying one of those. I think only very insecure people would fall for that one, but considering how Filippo Loreti is still around, it's sad that using a cheap psychological trick like this would still make bucks for someone.
What you said about people's reactions to watches is so true. I was a teacher and I would typically see my students twice a week. With my collection of 20-25 watches, I could go months without wearing the same watch to class. Guess what? NOBODY ever said anything! I don't think anyone even noticed. I think in 20 years of collecting, I've had maybe two or three strangers compliment my watch- in 20 years!
I have a the Certina DS Super and it perfectly matches the orange color of the uniform shirt at work. I put it on a black leather strap with the same orange stitch. I wear it every Friday. Nobody has noticed. 😆
It looks like you was a damn good teacher having had maybe two or three boring moments in 20 years. You would probably have passed the Diogenes fish test.
@@BensWatchClub I just hope the Italian-Lithuanian brothers don't kidnap you for damaging their "flawless" reputation. Keep going strong mate, in my opinion, you're up there with TGV and JOMW when it comes to watch oriented TH-camrs.
Ben certainly leaves no stone unturned with his honest reviews and insights! Many of my watch purchases are literally based on the opinions of this channel. Thumbs up for creating the most kickass horology channel on TH-cam. Regards Alawhie South Africa
There are lots of brands which copy random designs from Longines, Timex or Seiko, put some nice sunburst on the dial, take a generic SS case and put a 2€ Miyota (or, if you are lucky, a 10€ Ronda) inside, sell it for 200€+ and talk about luxury. Obviously made in China, you overpay 100-300%. BUT at least you actually get a watch which works as a watch for your cash. This here is just a scam. Btw. your editing just reached a higher tier.
Good job at exposing this scammers. Ever since i started paying attention to watches i keep asking myself a question. If these companies selling cheap chinese watches are so successfull marketing this garbage, wouldn't companies producing quality products like Seiko, Orient, Timex, Casio etc. demolish them with the same approach. I mean they certainly can afford it. And yet i keep seeing ads for this garbage on all social media. It seems there is a huge demand for budget quality watches, but the companies with quality products don't push them at all. Weird.
@@nu1x Well thats the thing. They don't have to lie, because their products deliver. On the other hand, you may be right. A lot of times we believe inflated claims of advertising, even though deep down we know they're not true. And these scamsters take advantage of that. Too bad actually, because there are ton of better options out there.
Ben, excellent detective work here. Anyone with marginal watch knowledge spots the scam here immediately. That Orient was stunning by the way. Great video, getting better and better my friend!
EPIC, EPIC video all the way around! Great job Ben! The editing, information, research were all on point! Thanks for putting in the work to make this video! I agree with your opinions about this brand! Hopefully your exposé will be spread far and wide and keep many people from getting duped by this brand!
On their second KickStarter, I initially backed it but quickly found out that these were made in China. They kicked me off the KickStarter page for bringing this to light and they refunded my money. Lo and behold, they accidentally still sent me the watch a few weeks later. It's not bad for a free watch! Edit: I was stopped once on the street while wearing my Grand Seiko SBGA211 by a fellow fan of the art of horology who just wanted to tell me how much he loved the piece.
I had a strange experience with them a year ago. Some marketing person reached out to me asking if I wanted to review their watch. I agreed but made them aware that I make honest reviews. All of a sudden they withdrew the offer to send in a watch and came up with some lame excuse. They do not accept honest reviews because honest means the lack of quality of their watches will be revealed.
10 years guarantee? Maybe you'll receive the watch about 10 years after purchase. Ridiculous company this is. Well done and great to see an honest video about this company
Great job on this video. Your production value is excellent, the writing is interesting and the way you present it makes me want to know what happens next. Your previous ones weren't bad, but this is next level.
Excellent insight and investigation. I'm sure you've saved people a lot of money. You've gained another subscriber and possible customer. All the best from. Taos, New Mexico USA
Loving the Terms and Conditions - point 6. "Must be spelt correctly"... and in the same point "...display the brand is a positive and favourable way at all times." Classic.
The name is reminiscent of the early 90's clothing brands that popped up all over the place 'Gallini' was one I think..don't think they fooled anyone. I'd rather buy a watch with Mascarpone on the dial😂
This is outrageous! I have seen their adverts on Instagram, never really liked their style, but if I would I could easily have been fooled into buying one. So thank you for this great video.
@@AlessandroGenTLe three of those are well known and i think squale is swiss, no need to be smug. i agree with the original commenter in that it would be more prestigious to claim to be a swiss or german watch brand than an italian one.
@@mitchaelhollingsworth1698 Squale (like Panerai) is swiss constructed, but the HQ is in Italy (Squale in Milan, Panerai in Florence) :) Locman too is interesting. They are based in Elba island and opened the "Scuola Italiana Orologeria" (Italian school of horology) there, where they produce in-house movements (actually a date/time automatic and a chrono/time/date automatic in their Montecristo line). But they seriously need to giveaway the quartz based watches and reposition themselves when it comes to mechanical ones. About watchmaking, of course now Swiss is more regarded than nearly any other country for movements (even tho they started back then to fake UK/French movements, more or less like China does now with Swiss ones), Italians are more famous for the design and are very strong in more heavy mechanical stuff like aerospace and cars/bikes :) Each his own.
Hands down the best investigative journalism I have seen on TH-cam in a long time regarding watches. Well done for exposing this shameless fashion brand of scammers. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏👍
I'm Italian and I laughed so hard watching this. There aren't so many real Italian brands. Many of them are just microbrand like "Meccaniche Veneziane" or "Vertigo Watches". However I suggest to check them out.
@@fedomandez idk, they remind me of U-Boat, not a fan 8)) Meccaniche Veneziane looks alright, Vertigo is too vintage for my taste. Seems like both share the same movement.
I have been buying from Chinese manufacturers for 5 years. This is how they work. They make a production line and a design. They then try to take orders for future production runs. They take full payment first to pay for manufacturing overheads like materials, workers and even the factory rent. This means the company only has to invest 30% of production cost and they get there profit before the item has been made.
Thank you so much for doing this video Ben. I ordered a watch in August and still have not received it. I got the same response about it taking months for delivery, yet it was never mentioned at the time of purchase. Once I completed my sale I was under the impression I would have the watch within 3 weeks. Nothing yet and it's been three months.
I did not expect such a high-caliber video from a video about watches. I really thought this was gonna be you wearing the cheap Chinese watch and talking smack at it for 26 minutes straight . Yet I was stunned by the quality, almost reminded me of those other big name documentary TH-camrs! Cant wait for more vids like this :D
Ha! If you're walking around the streets wearing a Vacheron Constantin and someone randomly stops you, chances are it's because they're about to mug you
@@LegioXIII-SPQR that'd be a shame as i'd have to ventilate the worthless thief, i carry a .45 at all times, m&p shield, powerful little bastard, bullet chambered, no one is taking a fucking dime from me.
Good Job Ben. More videos need to be made about these Fashion Brands and the way they're tricking people into spending money on junk. This was informative with good evidence backing your video. Keep up the good work!
I'm totally new to this channel and just trying to start getting into watches. This is probably the fourth or fifth video of yours I've seen, and immediately I could tell this had every single mark of a viral video. Its high quality, funny, drama. Its a sudo content cop, and I love it. It's a shame the algorithm never brought the the fame you deserved for this, so take my subscription.
Great investigative piece! I saw a review of the brand on another watch channel this morning, but it seemed legit and the link featured did not appear to have affiliate coding in it. But definitely buyer beware, huh?! Wow. Sucks.
Hi Ben! Liked the video a lot! If the Loreti eventually shows up, are you going to review it? Hopefully in the near future you'll review a Brunmontagne!! It's a new Dutch brand!
I get tons of fashion watches ads on Instagram, never heard of this one. Is it possible that they are not advertising in Italy because we could find this offensive? Or is it just happening to me?
Fantastic Video Ben, I've been seeing the ads for months and instantly skip them as I know they are useless garbage, I'll take my Casio over them any day.
Great video! I backed the orignal Kickstarter campaign and when the watch arrived, it just looked and felt cheap. Stopped working about 6 months later. Hung onto it and now I doubt I could give it away!
Great video. Like Teddy Baldassarre & MVMT, videos like yours are much needed. I just have a minor complaint though, you need to do some grading, most of the time your lighting is too dark. Bests.
I once had a person stop me on the street asking me if I was wearing a Rolex. Then he pulled out a knife and told me to hand it over. I complied, but when he saw it was a Filippo Loreti he got this thousand-yard stare, and his facial expression slowly changed. Suddenly his attention changed, and he looked right at me with the saddest eyes I have ever seen. He pulled out his wallet, handed me all his money and said: "Take it, brother. It's the least I can do." Then he slumped over and trudged away. Filippo Loreti saved my life, but I have a feeling it destroyed someone else's.
You have done a such great job analysing and exposing this brand and its dodgy (imo borderline illegal) business practice. Such a bold and brave attitude, just we really need! Great job Ben, please keep up the good work
@@Mint-cb2vc agreed, they're excellent especially when you consider the reasonable heritage, QC, reputation and completely in house from movement to watch they're incredible value but they do miss the mark sometimes even with they're more expensive pieces. Either way if you spend 3-400 on an orient, you know you're getting a lot for ya money but only the newer ones in my opinion, sure there are some nice vintages but most of them look far too dated imo 10 year's or later I'd say.
I was part of their first kickstart project but after delay again and again i cancelled my order and thank God got my money back. After repeated blocking their mails still every month i am receiving 10-12 promotion mails. No one give kind of discount which they provide and that make me suspicious.
Bravo for the video! Hope it reaches a lot of watch enthusiasts. I'm sickened with these liars selling overpriced junk. PS: absolutely mad video content! 😍👍🏿
I seldom write comments on TH-cam videos, but I would like to compliment you on this excellent review : it is informative, entertaining and very well conceived. Thank you
Ben, I’ve been following you since your old Ben Arthur channel. I think it was absolutely awesome to see my face on your video saying “cheap Chinese garbage“. Love the videos, keep up the great work.
Feels like a Ponzi scheme. Collect 5 million Euros, ship a few hundred watches every few months while continuing to collect new orders, generating enough income to fund a couple hundred watches a year while the brothers roll around Lithuania Mercedes-Benz auto, gold necklaces and track suits like their more influential Russian cousins.
this video really teach us how to recognize a ambush watch brand. it's so much better to expend your money on reliable brands as seiko and casio. thank you to help beginners to escape from products like these.
Thanks to Squarespace for making this video possible, along with The Watch Movement for providing the cringe mobile ad clip; you can check out his work here: th-cam.com/channels/nuViqRaK2ZB045D34CbeqA.html
For anyone wondering about the advert audio - I was forced to try and isolate to vocals from the bgm, in order to avoid potential false copyright strikes on the channel (so, it's a bit muffled). Thanks, Ben
Gotta say Ben that is possibly the best piece of TH-cam horological journalism I think I've ever seen and immensely entertaining to boot! That darts segment killed me 😂 awesome work mate and needless to say Fillipo Loreti are to be avoided like the plague! I salute you sir.
@@liambyrne3488 thanks very much Liam, took a long time to edit haha!
Leveled up educational and responsible vlogging. :)
Got a request for you Ben; Best watch for astronomy nerds.
I was kicked off their second campaign for calling out their paid reviews on TrustPilot...
MVMT and vincero: " *were cutting out middleman* "
Filippo loretti: were cutting out delivery man
Thanks for the heart
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@@Leonnetje. thx
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Filippo Loreti is so italian that here in Italy we have never heard about it
Coming from Poland, just across the border from Lithuania, I can tell we have a ton o local brand with "Italian" names. "Gino Rossi" shoes springs to mind, there's even Polish pasta brand with "Italian" name ;)
@@leszekkadelski9569 wow that's crazy
@@meddler30 Just bullshit marketing. Anything of a brand with a Western-sounding name seems better here. It is mostly German names that get abused ;)
The only italian watchmaker to go with is Panerai
Forget Filippo Loreti. My watch is a Mattia Frattari.
People don’t stop you in the street to talk about Rolexes, unless they want to say give me that Rolex.
To mug you probable.
They were about to mug but realized it was Filipo Loretti hence didn't. Not worth the hassle.
I've worn a rolex daytona for two years and only one person even noticed it was a rolex.
In the back-streets in a city? Bingo. The only reason you get stopped about your watch is to hand it over (especially if it’s a big Submariner of sorts). Had an experience like that in Berlin a few years ago (not Rolex, I wouldn’t buy one let alone walk around Berlin in the ‘immigrants’ area of town at 2am)
@@swewunna If they catch you with a Filipo Loretti, they may even give _you_ money out of pity. ⚰
if you hear "cutting the middleman" in any ad, walk away.
cutting the middleman, affordable luxury, disrupting a billion dollar industry. Take your pick.
@@cfcblue8 Well, Oris are affordable luxury, tho...
@@kevintanumihardja3881 I’d call them as more of an “entry level luxury” rather than as affordable luxury
Most micro-brands do that too so it’s not that simple.
@@anonimushbosh Not just microbrands. Union Glashütte has this whole affordable luxury crap on their website while being a decent brand owned by the Swatch Group.
A brand like MVMT/Vincero aren't good value for money, but if someone wants to pay too much for a Chinese watch and are happy with what they got, there's nothing wrong with that... Especially when there are channels like this one, out here, providing the information you need to make a solid purchase.
But if a company like this is actively deceptive, or worse, a scam... it's disgusting. Thank you for continuing to expose dodgy companies like this one!
MVMT was a cheap disaster. Vincero I never had issues.
@1betterthanyou1 I personally own 2 Vincero watches, and they’ve never had issues yet (for the 4 months I’ve had them, so keep that in mind). I’m not going 2 say it’s high quality or that it cuts out the middle men, cuz it doesn’t, but I do like the way they look, and it operates good enough for me. The customer service is also good, the delivery dates are reliable, and it seems like the company is open about their product, even saying that the founders themselves moved to China, which is something that most companies don’t have the balls 2 do. It builds trust with the company, and it seems like said trust is being backed up by their more recent investments that u brought up. My only hope is that they rebrand from an “Affordable Luxury Watch” brand to a fashion watch brand, which is much more accurate
Nah if you want a Chinese watch just get one on alibaba. When I was a kid and didn’t have too much money I loved getting cheap Chinese watches. There’s really nothing wrong with the quartz movement, even a $6 Chinese watch can be fairly accurate. The problem is when brands try to sell that $6 for $200 without making any changes.
I bought two watches from vicero and the stap kept breaking
Perhaps made in the Italian region of SCAMALOTTI.
Frank, very good. Or of course the famous Italian region of "Rippoffaderci"
@@paulandrews7622 both of u are quite creative!🤣🤣🤣
@@paulandrews7622 LOOOOL
MVMT and vincero: " *were cutting out middleman* "
Filippo loretti: *were cutting out delivery man*
@@khmerkandal121 🤣🤣🤣
“10 year warranty” I think they meant “10 year delivery”
lmao so true
People who think this brand will last ten years raise your hand. Heck, they should offer 100.
Wassup Guenther
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PP: You never actually own a Patek Philippe. You merely look after it for the next generation.
FL: You never actually own a Filippo Loreti.
The worst thing is, that if it does arrive then you DO own a Filipo Lorretti. I think that is probably a worse outcome overall.
If you are lucky
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@@sargonixofur1234 then u get to keep it for the trash bin
Lol this comment section is so good
Hate these guys. Have been reaching out to me for years. Now I’m tempted to get one in just to roast. Scammers. Awesome video.
You'll be waiting for MONTHS to get one, at least Vincero ships watches!!!
Jeeef The Great says the one without a single video uploaded. 😂
Jeeef The Great naaa it’s ok. I’m ahead. Covering serious watch brands that aren’t full of crap.
@@jeeefthegreat7555 incel?
@@jeeefthegreat7555 more like in the sense of negative attitude towards girls (incels see girls as like the lowest beings, cause they r butthurt lol), cause u used chick as kind of an insult if i understand right? Bit fucked up tbh m8
Ah two dislikes, it must be Danielius and Matas. Lithuanian brothers.
Again, I am really sorry, there are some truly disgusting people in my country - but most of the true thieves are politicians.
Dont be ashamed, they are in every country, its just that some countries its easier for them to practice. And dont get me started on politicians lol ;)
Now 10. Their parents and grandparents also saw the video.
They look like a meme - those "Da Vinkeee?..." idiots.
Nobody stops anyone in the street to talk about a watch unless they want it off your wrist at knifepoint. What a load of nonsense this brand is. It's a pity there aren't laws to stop people pretending to be Italian or luxury or just plain old "snake oil" salespeople.
Exactly. They're appealing to a certain type of very sad person, who thinks that a watch is going to make them popular or cool or whatever. I for one don't buy watches to receive compliments - I'd honestly be happy for people to not speak to me. I buy them because I enjoy them.
Weird how people rarely talk about this as one of their shady advertisements points, or so I have seen. If someone comes to me just to compliment my watch, especially a complete stranger, I'd be scared shitless, because for sure it's a robber coming for me. I'd like a watch to look good, but being a robbery magnet would surely detour me away from buying one of those. I think only very insecure people would fall for that one, but considering how Filippo Loreti is still around, it's sad that using a cheap psychological trick like this would still make bucks for someone.
What you said about people's reactions to watches is so true. I was a teacher and I would typically see my students twice a week. With my collection of 20-25 watches, I could go months without wearing the same watch to class. Guess what? NOBODY ever said anything! I don't think anyone even noticed. I think in 20 years of collecting, I've had maybe two or three strangers compliment my watch- in 20 years!
Not going to lie i would if thats the case but id be shy because I did it multiple times before like my cousin etc but nice man keep on going!
I have a the Certina DS Super and it perfectly matches the orange color of the uniform shirt at work. I put it on a black leather strap with the same orange stitch. I wear it every Friday. Nobody has noticed. 😆
It looks like you was a damn good teacher having had maybe two or three boring moments in 20 years.
You would probably have passed the Diogenes fish test.
Ben, mate, I must say... What an absolute legend.
Thanks Pedro
@@BensWatchClub I just hope the Italian-Lithuanian brothers don't kidnap you for damaging their "flawless" reputation. Keep going strong mate, in my opinion, you're up there with TGV and JOMW when it comes to watch oriented TH-camrs.
Exactly! A bit like saying an old baby...if it's old then it can't be a baby!
This is a good service to the watch community.
Ben certainly leaves no stone unturned with his honest reviews and insights! Many of my watch purchases are literally based on the opinions of this channel.
Thumbs up for creating the most kickass horology channel on TH-cam.
Regards
Alawhie
South Africa
"Affordable" and "Luxury" should not go together.
lol...oxymoron
They literally by definition do not go together LOL
"I got this 'affordable' fillipo spaghetti instead of that 'luxury' watch"
If I also had to come up with a fake Italian name, I'd come up with something similar to filippo lorriti. That or parmigiano reggiano.
Nah mate, it's all about Spaghetti Spameti
Lorem Ipsum is available... That would actually be very appropriate here, "insert watch here"...
There are lots of brands which copy random designs from Longines, Timex or Seiko, put some nice sunburst on the dial, take a generic SS case and put a 2€ Miyota (or, if you are lucky, a 10€ Ronda) inside, sell it for 200€+ and talk about luxury. Obviously made in China, you overpay 100-300%. BUT at least you actually get a watch which works as a watch for your cash. This here is just a scam.
Btw. your editing just reached a higher tier.
Filippo Loreti: We finna kill it in the watch game😝
Ben: Hold my Casio....
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Nope. Wrong. People will still fall for this scam.
Production and content quality on this was incredible Ben. Fantastic job, enough said.
Thanks a ton!
Absolutely excellent commentary, investigation, and production on this one. Stellar job Ben.
Good job at exposing this scammers. Ever since i started paying attention to watches i keep asking myself a question. If these companies selling cheap chinese watches are so successfull marketing this garbage, wouldn't companies producing quality products like Seiko, Orient, Timex, Casio etc. demolish them with the same approach. I mean they certainly can afford it. And yet i keep seeing ads for this garbage on all social media. It seems there is a huge demand for budget quality watches, but the companies with quality products don't push them at all. Weird.
It may be because actual watch companies don't want to demolish their reputation with absurd claims.
@@nu1x Well thats the thing. They don't have to lie, because their products deliver. On the other hand, you may be right. A lot of times we believe inflated claims of advertising, even though deep down we know they're not true. And these scamsters take advantage of that.
Too bad actually, because there are ton of better options out there.
Truly I'm thankful for this. I was able to buy 12 smaller Seiko that fit my wrist (38m) and not at more than $160 -all automatics✔️
@@surfside75 thats crazy! How did you accomplish that?
Orient has horrible marketing and Orient USA seems to be run by one man.
I need to check out this entire video. PL reached out to me several times, but I declined. Look forward to having you on the show brother!
I will be totally waiting for that episode!
will be fun for sure!
Your channel is growing fast! Good work, Ben! Greetings from Argentina.
Ben, excellent detective work here. Anyone with marginal watch knowledge spots the scam here immediately.
That Orient was stunning by the way. Great video, getting better and better my friend!
Glad you enjoyed it
Such a great video. Thanks for taking the time to make it. I will definitely share it now when now people ask me more details about this brand 😉
EPIC, EPIC video all the way around! Great job Ben! The editing, information, research were all on point! Thanks for putting in the work to make this video! I agree with your opinions about this brand! Hopefully your exposé will be spread far and wide and keep many people from getting duped by this brand!
Thanks a ton!
For the same cost I'll Stick with my Seiko 5 sport
Love the seiko 5s. The true “affordable luxury” for me
@@cabroncito600 yes they are very good value for money. Also recently been looking at orient as their mako looks pretty decent.
On their second KickStarter, I initially backed it but quickly found out that these were made in China. They kicked me off the KickStarter page for bringing this to light and they refunded my money. Lo and behold, they accidentally still sent me the watch a few weeks later. It's not bad for a free watch!
Edit: I was stopped once on the street while wearing my Grand Seiko SBGA211 by a fellow fan of the art of horology who just wanted to tell me how much he loved the piece.
Lol just commented the same about my Seiko 5 Automatic. I often get comments from colleagues about it.
O boy let me get a coffe and a snack, finaly an honest “review” of this brand.
I had a strange experience with them a year ago. Some marketing person reached out to me asking if I wanted to review their watch. I agreed but made them aware that I make honest reviews. All of a sudden they withdrew the offer to send in a watch and came up with some lame excuse. They do not accept honest reviews because honest means the lack of quality of their watches will be revealed.
You should not have warned them beforehand so you would have roasted them badly
10 years guarantee? Maybe you'll receive the watch about 10 years after purchase. Ridiculous company this is. Well done and great to see an honest video about this company
Darts bit is pure class 😂
BULLSEYE
Absolutely great content, thank you for putting so much effort into it, it's really appreciated!
The production quality on this video is top notch
Way better than production quality of Filippo Loretti watch😂
Great job on this video. Your production value is excellent, the writing is interesting and the way you present it makes me want to know what happens next. Your previous ones weren't bad, but this is next level.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent insight and investigation. I'm sure you've saved people a lot of money. You've gained another subscriber and possible customer.
All the best from. Taos, New Mexico USA
Loving the Terms and Conditions - point 6.
"Must be spelt correctly"... and in the same point "...display the brand is a positive and favourable way at all times."
Classic.
The name is reminiscent of the early 90's clothing brands that popped up all over the place 'Gallini' was one I think..don't think they fooled anyone. I'd rather buy a watch with Mascarpone on the dial😂
has a ring to it lmao the Mascarpone watch company
I'm waiting for a "Gorgonzola" cronograph
Great video, and what a great production!
P.S. This deserves a second post: Ben, you've outdone yourself with this video. Well done, mate
This is outrageous! I have seen their adverts on Instagram, never really liked their style, but if I would I could easily have been fooled into buying one. So thank you for this great video.
Italy has almost nothing to do with modern watch making, so why all the lusting after mythical "Italian" watches?
Locman, Meccaniche Veneziane, Panerai, UBoat, Squale, Unimatic, Anonimo, Bulgari, Giuliano Mazzuoli... When you don't know stuff, better to keep shut...
@@AlessandroGenTLe three of those are well known and i think squale is swiss, no need to be smug. i agree with the original commenter in that it would be more prestigious to claim to be a swiss or german watch brand than an italian one.
@@mitchaelhollingsworth1698 Squale (like Panerai) is swiss constructed, but the HQ is in Italy (Squale in Milan, Panerai in Florence) :) Locman too is interesting. They are based in Elba island and opened the "Scuola Italiana Orologeria" (Italian school of horology) there, where they produce in-house movements (actually a date/time automatic and a chrono/time/date automatic in their Montecristo line). But they seriously need to giveaway the quartz based watches and reposition themselves when it comes to mechanical ones.
About watchmaking, of course now Swiss is more regarded than nearly any other country for movements (even tho they started back then to fake UK/French movements, more or less like China does now with Swiss ones), Italians are more famous for the design and are very strong in more heavy mechanical stuff like aerospace and cars/bikes :) Each his own.
People strongly associate Italy with excellence in design and manufacturing, often for good reason, that's why they claim Italian heritage.
@@AlessandroGenTLe Um sweetie you're not winning over by being more smug and full of yourself than Napoleon Bonaparte :) Oof yikes not a good look 🤡😬
Hands down the best investigative journalism I have seen on TH-cam in a long time regarding watches. Well done for exposing this shameless fashion brand of scammers. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏👍
Great video - great research, great script, great editing - thank you very much! Only downers were the four ads for fashion watches in between ;)
Thanks for that!
I just bought a Lorus titanium after watching one of your previous videos. Thanks for highlighting that one Ben!
Right on!
Me too!
Great video mate. There is no such thing as affordable luxury. If that's ever in the description or the advertising... walk away 😂
I'm Italian and I laughed so hard watching this.
There aren't so many real Italian brands. Many of them are just microbrand like "Meccaniche Veneziane" or "Vertigo Watches". However I suggest to check them out.
Trifoglio has some dope stuff you don't see everyday.
@@smashexentertainment676 Also Terra Cielo Mare had some cool pieces. Especially for aviation geeks
@@fedomandez idk, they remind me of U-Boat, not a fan 8))
Meccaniche Veneziane looks alright, Vertigo is too vintage for my taste. Seems like both share the same movement.
@@smashexentertainment676 they go for Nh35 and 2824 swiss clones (depa, stp)
Thanks for investigating and showing us the results. Very informative!
Well this is a coincidence, I've just uploaded a video on these recently myself.
Collab? 😆
@@the_9ent I wish. I don't have enough subscribers to be on his level.
@@HonestWatchReviewsHWR Only a matter of time mate 😉
Neat, you've finally got your Cat a watch to play with.
@@syndicatedsatellite7288 😆
Great video as well, but a bit too many YT ads in it.
I have been buying from Chinese manufacturers for 5 years. This is how they work.
They make a production line and a design. They then try to take orders for future production runs. They take full payment first to pay for manufacturing overheads like materials, workers and even the factory rent.
This means the company only has to invest 30% of production cost and they get there profit before the item has been made.
This was a really great vid, keep up the good work :D You should make a series out of this idea...
Thank you so much for doing this video Ben. I ordered a watch in August and still have not received it. I got the same response about it taking months for delivery, yet it was never mentioned at the time of purchase. Once I completed my sale I was under the impression I would have the watch within 3 weeks. Nothing yet and it's been three months.
1 year later, did you ever get the watch?
I did not expect such a high-caliber video from a video about watches. I really thought this was gonna be you wearing the cheap Chinese watch and talking smack at it for 26 minutes straight . Yet I was stunned by the quality, almost reminded me of those other big name documentary TH-camrs! Cant wait for more vids like this :D
"people stop me in the streets", that's weird i have a vacheron constantin and no one's ever said a word about it.
Lucky bastard
Ha! If you're walking around the streets wearing a Vacheron Constantin and someone randomly stops you, chances are it's because they're about to mug you
@@LegioXIII-SPQR that'd be a shame as i'd have to ventilate the worthless thief, i carry a .45 at all times, m&p shield, powerful little bastard, bullet chambered, no one is taking a fucking dime from me.
@@silverghost4206 whats your email? i'll send you a picture
Excellent video, great editing and well explained, what's not to love ?
Cracking stuff, appreciated
Great insights. Just discovered the channel and really impressed with the first few vids I've watched. Good work fella.
Good Job Ben.
More videos need to be made about these Fashion Brands and the way they're tricking people into spending money on junk.
This was informative with good evidence backing your video.
Keep up the good work!
I'm totally new to this channel and just trying to start getting into watches. This is probably the fourth or fifth video of yours I've seen, and immediately I could tell this had every single mark of a viral video. Its high quality, funny, drama. Its a sudo content cop, and I love it. It's a shame the algorithm never brought the the fame you deserved for this, so take my subscription.
Great job, editing on point!
WOW! Just stumbled across this while researching for a new watch. Awesome video
Thank you so much for this video. It is the best thing that happened in 2020. I'm from Lithuania and we call them scammers here.
Great video. Would love to see more of these in depth looks at brands. Keep up the good work. Love to see your vids.
Great investigative piece! I saw a review of the brand on another watch channel this morning, but it seemed legit and the link featured did not appear to have affiliate coding in it. But definitely buyer beware, huh?! Wow. Sucks.
One of your best videos, absolutely loved the presentation
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thumbs up for the mustachio’d Italian impression
Hi Ben! Liked the video a lot! If the Loreti eventually shows up, are you going to review it? Hopefully in the near future you'll review a Brunmontagne!! It's a new Dutch brand!
I get tons of fashion watches ads on Instagram, never heard of this one. Is it possible that they are not advertising in Italy because we could find this offensive? Or is it just happening to me?
I spend quite a lot of the year in Italy ( Ostia port and Rome center) and I have never seen that junk on anyones wrist.
Excellent information here, thank you for putting this up for us to see.
This truly was a well researched and edited video Ben! You do incredible work my friend! People stay far far away from this brand!!
That Orient is absolutely gorgeous, might pick it up + i like your content so ill make sure i use the link ;)
brilliant editing going on in this vid mate 😂
This is such a good video wow you nailed it. Super entertaining great f-ing job really, well done!
Fantastic Video Ben, I've been seeing the ads for months and instantly skip them as I know they are useless garbage, I'll take my Casio over them any day.
Great video! I backed the orignal Kickstarter campaign and when the watch arrived, it just looked and felt cheap. Stopped working about 6 months later. Hung onto it and now I doubt I could give it away!
that mama mia threw me off balance but then ben puffing his musthace made me do a mental backflip
Great video. Like Teddy Baldassarre & MVMT, videos like yours are much needed. I just have a minor complaint though, you need to do some grading, most of the time your lighting is too dark. Bests.
I once had a person stop me on the street asking me if I was wearing a Rolex. Then he pulled out a knife and told me to hand it over. I complied, but when he saw it was a Filippo Loreti he got this thousand-yard stare, and his facial expression slowly changed. Suddenly his attention changed, and he looked right at me with the saddest eyes I have ever seen. He pulled out his wallet, handed me all his money and said: "Take it, brother. It's the least I can do." Then he slumped over and trudged away. Filippo Loreti saved my life, but I have a feeling it destroyed someone else's.
You have done a such great job analysing and exposing this brand and its dodgy (imo borderline illegal) business practice. Such a bold and brave attitude, just we really need! Great job Ben, please keep up the good work
I'm looking forward to the Orient review
Orient are very decent for the price point
@@Mint-cb2vc agreed, they're excellent especially when you consider the reasonable heritage, QC, reputation and completely in house from movement to watch they're incredible value but they do miss the mark sometimes even with they're more expensive pieces. Either way if you spend 3-400 on an orient, you know you're getting a lot for ya money but only the newer ones in my opinion, sure there are some nice vintages but most of them look far too dated imo 10 year's or later I'd say.
This is an awesome quality video and investigation, keep it up!
Me watching this after buying one: "chuckles" I'm in danger.
I messed up as well
your best video by far. Loved the edit, script and every second of it
A detailed and insightful video. Well overdue to call out these ripoff Brand’s. Nice job.
I was part of their first kickstart project but after delay again and again i cancelled my order and thank God got my money back. After repeated blocking their mails still every month i am receiving 10-12 promotion mails. No one give kind of discount which they provide and that make me suspicious.
Bravo for the video! Hope it reaches a lot of watch enthusiasts. I'm sickened with these liars selling overpriced junk.
PS: absolutely mad video content! 😍👍🏿
I seldom write comments on TH-cam videos, but I would like to compliment you on this excellent review : it is informative, entertaining and very well conceived. Thank you
Wow, thank you!
So basically what they do is what they accuse others of doing - that is, they mark up a $20 chinese watch to $200.
Ben, I’ve been following you since your old Ben Arthur channel. I think it was absolutely awesome to see my face on your video saying “cheap Chinese garbage“. Love the videos, keep up the great work.
Yay new video really like your videos
Brilliant video. Maybe the best I’ve seen yet on your channel. Keep up the good work.
Thanks 👍
Feels like a Ponzi scheme. Collect 5 million Euros, ship a few hundred watches every few months while continuing to collect new orders, generating enough income to fund a couple hundred watches a year while the brothers roll around Lithuania Mercedes-Benz auto, gold necklaces and track suits like their more influential Russian cousins.
Except Ponzi was an actual,italian 😂
The sound mix and quality in your videos is so aggressively good it almost sounds strange
Laughed my ass off on this one. Filled with lovely sarcastic comments and puns! "It actually is unique..the watches never arrive." LMAO.
Thank you Ben for the quality of your reviews, and your honesty
13:17 The irony of misspelling "in" as "is" while insisting your affiliates have no misspellings in their ads....
this video really teach us how to recognize a ambush watch brand. it's so much better to expend your money on reliable brands as seiko and casio. thank you to help beginners to escape from products like these.