First of all, VICTORY THROUGH AIR POWER was NOT banned. It was withdrawn in total since its purpose was met at the time. I had the opportunity to see it at a Motion Picture Academy screening years ago. Portions of it were seen years later on the NBC Sunday Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color program, including the history of aviation sequence. That was well before The Disney Channel was created. It should be realized that Walt Disney personally financed the film because he realized the importance of the subject matter. The film was considered important enough to be shown in secrecy to the leaders of the Allied force, Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin. The screening was arranged in Montreal. The logic of an air force victory was brilliantly explained and was extremely influential in expanding an allied air force.
You're right, I should have said World of Color and not The Disney Channel. However, the word "banned" has both a technical and a colloquial definition. Song of the South is frequently referred to as banned even though it was not legally banned, it has obviously been internally banned by the Disney company. Even still, Song was released to theaters multiple times, while Victory was never theatrically re released, so I feel calling it banned is fair, especially since I explain what I mean by that in the video.
Why do you have music louder than your voice? This isn't necessary, and ruins videos for those of us with hearing damage. If you have something interesting to say, why do you want to drown out your own voice?
@@ParkNarcz I appreciate that. I don’t understand why so many folks think they need music in videos like this. It adds nothing, is a distraction from the subject, and makes it difficult for many folks to understand. If your subject is interesting, *that’s* what we’re there for. It’s a lot of work for you, and I can’t see it having any return.
@stevekreitler9349 I treated this video like a documentary, and I feel the music gives the right emotion, but you're not alone on your views, and I'm still trying to figure out the right balance for everyone. I appreciate your patience.
@@stevekreitler9349 I understand there is such thing as constructive criticism but you are just being unreasonably obnoxious over something that really isn’t that big of a deal.
Thanks for this video. I found out about the Disney movie "Victory Through Air Power"" in 1971 when I read Seversky's postwar "Airpower: Key to Survival" but it took until 2004 before I saw the movie. I collected Seversky's three works and my copy of "Victory Through Air Power" has Seversky's autograph--it's one of the joys of vintage books. A short clip of Billy Mitchell starts off "Victory Through Air Power." Right now, that Disney movie would very much be a niche product. For a decade I was a volunteer staffer at the Hill Aerospace Museum. "Victory Through Air Power" is a two-fer, interesting to both Disney fans and aviation history buffs.
Never forget that Severski had heavy interests in this policy: he founded Seversky Aviation Company some years earlier, which lately became Republic Aviation Company; the Company that designed and sold the famous P-47 Thunderbolt during the same War, the F-84, for the Korean war, the F-105, for the Vietnam war and today's A-10 Thunderbolt II, in alliance wit Fairchiid. for all wars after Vietnam up to this day. So, Severski had much, much at stake with this movie, indeed.
People seem to think that Disney was pro-Nazi. His efforts during the war proved this to be wrong as does this film does. Disney served as an ambulance driver during the tail end of World War One. I've seen it on TH-cam and it is a great film that needs to be seen. It makes a good case for strategic bombing and how it could affect the outcome of the war.
A lot of those accusations against Walt only started appearing after his employees (many of whom were Jewish) begged him to look into the growing communist presence in Hollywood unions in the late ‘40s and early ‘50s. When Walt finally obliged, he was horrified by how deep the Soviet agents had infiltrated the film industry and started cooperating heavily with the FBI and House Unamerican Activities Committee to snoop them out. Only then did the accusations of Walt being antisemitic appear out of seemingly nowhere. After the Cold War ended, it was discovered that the Soviets had told their agents to accuse any American who was getting wise to them of being an antisemitic fascist.
@benjamingrist6539 It's annoying how many people feel free to spread rumors, as though they are solid fact. There is literally no evidence Walt was antisemitic. I intend to do a full video on the animators strike one day.
@@ParkNarcz I agree with you 💯. Walt wasn’t perfect (no one is) but there’s no evidence to support that pesky rumor. Hopefully your future video will help put an end to it.
Today's transnationalists socialists/globalist socio-fascists (Third Worldism) woke cultists/Hegelian cultists project their fascism on their opponents in their futile efforts to subvert history. Fascism is never on the RIGHT side of history. They have been fairly successful in their destruction of such companies as Disney but in all actuality its true underlying cause is innovation. We've moved out of the secular postmodern "mass society" era/paradigm and into the new postsecular metamodern "network society" era/paradigm. The woke films will have their own genre and there will be a case study on everything woke inorder to understand what not to do.
War is all too human! Actually, I knew what you meant. But, for it to make sense, it would all depend on which side you end up being on -- the winning side or the losing side. Long story short, YOUR quip (someone else's?) is not logical/doesn't make sense.
@@jkotynek Exactly what did the Colonists lose as a RESULT of the American Revolutionary War? Yes, both sides lose lives -- but, that is a given consequence of going to war.
In 2007 I was completing an extended active duty assignment at the Pentagon and ready to retire. Among the many duties I had to sort out for my replacement was my small part in planning and coordinating the 60th anniversary of the Air Force later this same year. I had contacted a gentleman in our historical department about locating a copy of "Winged Victory", but he did not have one. Instead he offered to do a screening of "Victory Through Air Power" to see if it would be suitable for service-wide distribution. We arranged a showing in one of our conference rooms that had a large screen, but few people attended. Even I was unable to watch more than half of it before I had to depart for a retirement briefing. I never found out if the film was accepted and distributed throughout our bases for the anniversary event, but after retirement I made a point of purchasing a new print of Disney's "On the Front Lines ", which contains the complete film. I also found a less than stellar copy of "Winged Victory". Maybe someday this latter film will receive a restoration in time for the US Air Force's 100th anniversary. If we don't preserve the heritage of our past, how will we judge our progress in the future?
I bought the Walt Disney WWII DVD compilation back in 2001, and Victory Through Air Power is one of the featured films. Well worth watching, excellent film! 🎥
At 3:28 there is a sketch of what looks like a scarily modified Mickey Mouse. It seemed familiar; and it then came to me. It resembles one of Oogie Boogie's minions in "A Nightmare Before Christmas" (also a Disney production). Later on, the video brings up the fact that Churchill thought "Victory Through Air Power" was so significant that he had it shown to FDR and then British officials, who actually made the armor piercing "Disney Bomb" described in his film based on that Russian guy's book. It went well for the Allies, huh?
@@charlesyoung7436 Wow! It’s a gas mask for kids! Take another look at it. The canister is at the bottom, my guess is the ears are attached to the straps to snug it down.
Billy Mitchel’s bombing in the 20s that utterly embarrassed the Navy and the Navy’s humiliation at Pearl Harbor and subsequent battles in the southwest Pacific only fueled that the book was right…
Sort of. Walt held a number of "progressive" views that are contrary to the US. One example is Bambi (and other scenes in Disney productions) where the hunters are portrayed as so incompetent that they basically need machine guns to hunt.
5:50 - the (badly) drawn Lancaster has the Squadron code on my Uncle's aeroplane, EM-F of 207 Squadron. Saw this on the telly 30 years ago, never noticed that bit, and it was an impressive production.
I think I saw this movie as a little boy, sometime in the early 1950s, in a defense department school or a US Army base theater in Panama. I also saw a movie about how the human body fights infection that was both entertaining and scary. That movie had the wartime Disney touch also. I have never heard anything about them since.
As someone who taught at the US Air Force School of Advanced Airpower Studies and later the US Marine Corps School of Advanced Warfighting, I must say this is an outstanding treatment of the film.
Here’s an old trick to set levels. If you have 2 to 3 channels of sound, use the master level and reduce the sound..... the last sound you hear would be the narrator or lead singer in music. If I hear more than that, it’s blurry, I don’t hear the storytellers voice, which can be very enjoyable, with just a little background for tone rather empty air. Your video is a good piece on our history, especially Disney. Keep up the good work .
When I was working at the Air War College, Maxwell AFB in 1980, there was at least one bootleg VHS copy of "Victory Through Air Power" floating around, and I got to see it "unofficially". I assume the the USAAF was given several of the theaterical films during the war, and did not give them all back to Disney post-war. Years later, when as the movie was released on DVD, I got one for myself. It is very worth watching.
I used Seversky’s book as a citation in my dissertation on how proximity works. It provided one of the clearest illustrations on the significance of proximity in any venture.
Meh, if anything it gave power to the "Bomber Mafia" and the US tactical fighter aircraft were not up to European standards. The USAAF was flying 2nd hand Spitfire Mark V aircraft in 1943 because not enough P-38s were reaching the front lines and the P-47 had serious range & climb issues. The USAAF in Europe refused to outfit the P-47 with the type of fuel tanks needed on long range mission and the climb issue would not be solved until early 1944. Conversely, General Kinney of the USAAF Pacific Air Force had an Australian fuel tank manufactured for the P-47 which allowed the aircraft to nearly match the Japanese Zero in range. That means the fight could be taken to the IJAF bases.
Art can influence culture in needed ways. Before Walt Disney, Mack Sennets Keystone Kops actually changed the hat style of American cops (didn't change their inner Keystone Kops though ) Krispy Kreme Patrol 🍩
The statement that some may find the scenes of bombing disturbing is laughable. It was animation for God's sake and I would say any who found it disturbing needs to toughen up.
Uh, no. You don't get to define what other people ought to find disturbing. If the depiction of people en masse being burned alive doesn't bother you - well, you keep on being you.
Animation by nature is not real and if it is disturbing to you then reading about fire bombing or people being marched into gas chambers must be unbearable for you.
@@ParkNarcz You're most welcome. I didn't like how some criticized the piece as if the sound mess up was intentional. If an EZ fix were possible, you would have done it. Future works will be made better by you from learning on this one. I listen to YT on speaker(s); I can solve most 'Oops' myself. If not, I move on. Criticism shouldn't be allowed by those who have never tried to create a video for others. Oh well .. THANK YOU! Work well done in MY book, Bro!
I've got a copy of DeSeversky's "Victory Through Air Power" and it's a VERY interesting read. I'd say the book and the movie (which I finally saw on TH-cam) complement each other very well. Thanks for posting this!
@@ParkNarcz You're welcome! Major DeSeversky's book was a big best seller at the time and I believe the survival rate is very good. You may find copies for sale on line or at used book dealers. They also show up at militaria and gun shows if any book dealers are exhibiting.
Did you read the book? He made some good points and some not so good predictions. Overall though, pretty thought provoking. What he sold to Japan was not that that advanced and very small in number. Not the best decision though.
In 1943, when the movie was released it changed nothing anymore. The bombing campaign was already at full strength. With daily B17 raids over Germany. But I think the Space exploration series by Disney hosted by Wernher von Braun had a much bigger impact and paved the way for the Moon landing!
every air force had problems with antiaircraft fire, the Germans weren’t as bad as believed though…they were tough to deal with, but not as deadly as propaganda makes then out
It's funny, really, as we already knew this by WWII and were doing our best to dominate the skies in both Europe and the Pacific. Walt was preaching to the choir.
What a GREAT video! My only criticism is that at times the music bed is too loud, almost drowning out your excellent narration. Way to go, you've got a new fan!
1:28 Lower right of fuselage: “Capt. L. B. Johnson / Navigator” From my feeble research, this is not Naval Reserve Lieutenant Commander (later Commander) Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ). He did fly as an observer on a bombing raid of New Guinea, but not as a skilled crew member. Oh well. A fun rabbit trail.
2:28 Why does every movie, TV show, and Documentary producer insist on having (way to loud) background music during the dialog, making it difficult if not impossible to hear the dialog? Do they play loud music while reading a novel?
I'd say the book did damage. The USAF has too much of a love for big bombers and does not give proper attention to fighter aircraft. The F-105, F-4, and most other tactical aircraft did marginally well to poorly over Vietnam. Only post Vietnam has the USAF corrected their tactical air doctrine.
I don't believe it was shown it its entirety. I myself saw the history of aviation sequence, but that was all. However, if you have evidence the entire film was shown during the 60 year period, I'll correct myself.
@@ParkNarcz I remember seeing the "History of Aviation" on "Disney's Wonderful World of Color" TV show back in the 1960s but definately not they whole "Victory Throught Air Power" film, EXCEPT for a short segment in the 1970s featuring the American bald eagle fighting the Japanese octopus. A pretty dramatic sequence I might add!
For historical accuracy, extensive review of the strategic bombing campaign prove that the actual destruction caused was far less than the cost in men and material. For completeness, one has to consider the resources expended by the Axis on strategic air defense, those expended to harden targets in various ways (dispersion, AA, etc.) which cost a lot, etc. Those considerations, besides the multiplicative effect of air power on land operations tactically, made the entire air campaign a great assist in victory. Just not in the way the prewar advocates of airpower wanted people to believe. In this way, the Allies air campaign was as flawed as the earlier Axis one, where when the RAF was literally about to go under from the Battle of Britain, the Luftwaffe, under Hitler's direction, changed to the Blitz period. This allowed the RAF to recover.
The Imperial Japanese Navy proved aircraft carriers were relevant in the 7th of December of 1941. The United States Navy proved the aircraft carriers, not at Pearl Harbor that day, and the damage they had done after to the Japanese Navy. Also proved they were relevant. So, you decide? The author wasn't totally correct in his opinion.
By the time of the attack on Pearl Harbor, the U.S, already had the B-17s and B-24 among others if full production and the designs for the B-29 and B-32 were beginning production, as such the air war was already being planned out long before any movie was produced in mid 1942.
13:23 war is inhumane. There’s not a dime’s difference between aerial bombing and raining down artillery except that the former demolishes civilians. Yet it is civilians who make every scrap of war material and it is by force of numbers domestically that even the worst of tyrants can be dethroned. Let us not parse or nuance the delivery systems. Rather let us recognize, or re-recognize that the problem is war itself. Frankly I am appalled that America’s current ruler ship never seem to take into account the nuclear capabilities of the countries that they demonize in order to feed the perpetual necessity of new enemies to justify and fund the military industrial complex.
I question whether there is any evidence the film affected US policy toward AirPower. Before Pearl Harbor, the US had committed to ramping up aircraft production to astounding levels, with heavy bombers being prominent in the mix. Not only were plans laid out for the B-29, but also its back-up, the B-32, as well as the super heavy B-36. The Army Air Force was run by “The Bomber Mafia”, a group of generals who shared Seversky’s views. Seversky’s Company, Republic, had the single largest Air Force contract for fighters, which required republic to hugely expand its operations in Farmingdale , New York as well as in a brand new megafactory in Evansville, Indiana. I have seen Victory Through Air Power. It s a well-made piece of wartime propaganda that may have made some ordinary Americans feel better about paying for the war in treasure and blood, but I don’t think it significantly affected strategy or policy as that was the direction the Us was headed in even before the book was written.
@bwilliams463 ----> soooo, would you just surrender to the enemy / invaders so that you can pat yourself on the pack as a peacenik and get a quaker award?
"Banned" here just means the Disney company chose not to re release the film in theaters. Even Song of the South got that, and that film is referred to as "Banned" all the time. Obviously, the technical definition is a legal prohibition, but there's a colloquial understanding too. The character of Little Hiawatha, for instance, is likely "banned" internally at Disney.
@@e.a.corral4713 Snopes fact check team of fact checking fact checkers checked this fact using soros money funneled through five layers of ngos and it is a white nationalist conspiracy
So, RAF Bomber Command formed their policy (Arthur Harris assuming command in 1942) flew 364,514 sorties after watching a cartoon from the Mickey Mouse company- dont think so.
The air war wasn't decisive in Europe , but it won the war against Japan . Once a base to launch b29 raids was gained, it was the firebombing of Japanese cities that won the war .
The minutes of the Japanese war council indicated it was the entry of the USSR into the war, and the invasion of Japanese islands by the USSR, that made them accept unconditional surrender to the USA to protect Japan from the USSR. Their leaders cared little about the losses of Japanese people to firebombing or atomic bombing, and barely discussed it.
It was not all of one and nothing of the other. The conventional and atomic firebombings certainly were most direct in the War Cabinet's minds. The USSR suddenly, to the Japanese, scrapped the peace treaty that had a year to run, 2 days after the 1st A bomb. Then a 2nd A bomb was used, despite Japanese scientists assurance only one such bomb was possible. With the Soviet invasion of Manchuria there would be no fallback position to continue fighting if Honshu were overrun. The Soviets too would certainly depose the emperor if they were able to land in Japan, while the Americans would likely assure the dynasty would be allowed to continue. Some of both.
@@stevenweaver3386 I should have made it clearer . I believe that taking Tinian was the decisive action of the Pacific war . Once that was achieved, victory over Japan was assured . The firebombing was to make that certain . In that way , the assertions of the Disney movie were vindicated . The atomic bombings achieved nothing more than the firebombing did . In the end , Stalin honored his commitment to the allies on schedule and invaded Manchuria , there was absolutely no chance for the Japanese and that triggered the surrender .
Let me think about it? No, no movie won a war, the Germans didn't surrender until the full Red Army was in Berlin. I doubt anyone in Berlin could have watched a movie.
Bombing was terribly ineffective. Production increased in Germany throughout the war in spite of the Allied bombing. Most bombs dropped missed their targets.
It was the change of strategy in using the bombers as bait for the Luftwaffe when the long range P51s and later P47s destroyed the German fighter force both in personell and training plus later on fuel. Strategic bombing did have a big effect but did not win the war alone as the bomber generals said. It would have taken much longer without the long range fighters and the huge American lend lease programs.
Yet in January 1945, Speer told Hitler the war was now lost because bombing had crippled war production to the extent that Germany could not continue, and also stated that if the damage of Hamburg had been repeated at 6 cities, the war would have been lost.
Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of that. Okay, one dissenting voice here about allied bombing policies in WW2, wasn't that film clearly promoting the perpetration of war crimes? Before and since WW2, the deliberate targeting from the air of civilians, residential districts and cultural, medical, historical and social centers has always been prohibited by law, and for obvious humanitarian reasons. The "no law against it" validation used by allied leaders could not be justified in any way, there were indeed no laws against dropping things from airplanes but there were laws prohibiting all attacks on non military targets, if we always allowed new means of war or new weapons to be used in the judicial gap between creation and regulation, there probably wouldn't be a human race anymore, unfortunately this is exactly what happened in France, Germany, China and Japan during WW2 and later in Indochina, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and many others. The dates are also strange: in 1942 Frederick Linderman, Churchill's science advisor ordered the Butt report to see how accurate the British bombing campaigns against German military targets were... The results? One bomber out of the whole armada succeeded in getting one bomb within 5 miles of the designated target... devastating, not worth the trouble. That's when the decision was made to forget military installations and target cities at night instead, ya can't miss them cities can ya! So, from 1942 on, the British indiscriminate devastation had begun, what could a 1943 film add to that, I have no idea, looks like ha was trying to sell a refrigerator to an Esquimau. And, as the narrator says at 13:15 "In the modern era, aerial bombardment is seen by many as inhumane, which honestly it is, but it may also have been necessary to defeat the axis powers." Well, if we allow ourselves to break the rules to achieve victory why bother making rules in the first place and what kind of victory is that anyway, I cannot see glory, honor or justification of any kind in dropping incendiaries on a city like Tokyo, a city made of paper and wood, resulting in 100,000 civilian victims burned alive in their own homes, all in one night, without any military gains for the perpetrators. If those who conceived and executed those unnecessary massacres are human, then there's more than one kind, I refuse to be part of the same category as these butchers, to me murder being criminal one day and rewarded the next is a concept that brings our mental abilities at the level of an earth worm... but I shouldn't say that, that's not fair for the earth worms.
I understand your position, and I certainly think it's very complicated. I don't think I really know any definitive answers on it, I only really have questions. There is evidence both for and against strategic bombing, and I certainly didn't intend to explore the subject fully here. I do think there has been an effort to portray it as though the Allied bombing campaigns were essentially pointless, and that's simply not true.
No cruise missiles or GPS at that time so bombing was done as best as possible at the time, which drastically improved with the invention of H2S and the creation of the Pathfinders which made bombing very accurate. Would you prefer a gentlemanly war lasting many more years and the Allies losing with Hitler having free rein to complete the Genocide and move onto exterminating the next groups on the list e.g. Slavs and Russians ? The Germans and Japanese were not fussy when they bombed.
I was about to be a bit sarcastic but I'll just say that the Japanese, Italy and Germany committed war crimes and bombed civilians first. Germany and Japan killed civilians with impunity. The future of the world was seen to depend on utterly destroying their evil. Mercy did come after the war as Germany and Japan were rebuilt.
@@RichNotWealthy Hey, I love sarcasm, go ahead, don't be shy. Indeed, a lot of people do believe that Germany initiated the unrestricted bombing of civilians in WW2, that's because the British government finds it extremely difficult to stick to historical accuracy and because doing actual research about one's own untold crimes is not only unnecessary, but dangerous as well, much easier to go with the flow, disregard evidence and avoid asking questions but whatever you do, never, never, never read books, these things get really intense sometimes and it's not good for your eyes anyway. In WW2, the British bombing of German cities started on Sept. 5th, 1939 at Wilhelmshaven in Lower Saxony, long before Churchill began dropping white phosphorous on sleeping children. Eight months later the heavy bombers of British Bomber Command intentionally dropped bombs for the first time on residential areas in Mönchengladbach-Rheydt and from then on made such attacks on cities of the Ruhr area night after day, up to the 13th of May 1940. The Germans did not start any of that and in fact, the Luftwaffe did not even have heavy bombers, they couldn't see any use for them. The truth you see, is that the British people were not told about the RAF bombing of Germany, Mr. Churchill did not want the despicable hoards to tell him how to win a war so even to this day, hardly anyone knows that 61 German cities were reduced to rubble, and that Berlin, for whatever reason, was bombed more than 314 times. Warsaw was under artillery siege, not just bombed, in Rotterdam the surrender came after the deadline, the bombs were dropped by mistake and at La Guernica they didn't take the decisions, Franco did, still, they refused Franco's murderous plan and in the end 92 people died total. As to the others, they all came later and were legitimate military targets, those were the orders. The third and last phase of the British air offensive against Germany began in March 1942 and continued with undiminished ferocity until the end of the war in May, 1945. That phase began with the adoption of the Lindemann Plan by the British War Cabinet after the Butt report, commisionned by Churchill's science advisor Frederic Linderman had found that on a typical bombing raid only one plane got within 5 miles of the designated target. This report had a sobering effect on Air Command but it devastated the flight crews, most of whom thought that their war was over, ending in complete failure and disgrace. The Linderman Plan thus proposed to enlarge the usual target areas to the approximate size of an average city and to stop trying to hit industrial and military targets. At the beginning some unconvincing humanitarian tree-huggers opposed the new tactic calling it barbaric but a few weeks later, they all convinced themselves of the necessity of the operation, brushing away all doubts about potential war crimes. There were 11 raids on Nottingham during the war and in total, 178 people were killed and 350 injured. There were 18 raids on Coventry during the Battle of Britain between August and October 1940. There were 600 victims and about 370 injured. Coventry was an industrial city of around 238,000 people which, like much of the industrial West Midlands, hosted metal and wood-working industries. In Coventry's case, these included cars, bicycles, aeroplane engines and, since 1900, munition factories. In the words of the historian Frederick Taylor: "Coventry was therefore, in terms of what little law existed on the subject, a legitimate target for aerial bombing". The "Coventry Ordnance Works" for example was one of the leading munition centres in the UK, manufacturing 25% of all British aircraft produced during the war. Then the British used the opportunity given to them by the attack on Coventry to try a new tactic against Germany which was carried out on 16 December 1940 as part of Operation Abigail Rachel against Mannheim. The British had been waiting for the opportunity to experiment with an incendiary-intensive raid, considering it a kind of retaliation for the German raid on Coventry. This was the start of a British drift away from precision attacks on military targets and towards area bombing attacks on whole cities. (by the way, 95% of US POWs in Germany made it home safely)
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In "Falling Hare" (1943), Bugs Bunny is shown reading VICTORY THROUGH HARE POWER.
First of all, VICTORY THROUGH AIR POWER was NOT banned. It was withdrawn in total since its purpose was met at the time. I had the opportunity to see it at a Motion Picture Academy screening years ago. Portions of it were seen years later on the NBC Sunday Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color program, including the history of aviation sequence. That was well before The Disney Channel was created.
It should be realized that Walt Disney personally financed the film because he realized the importance of the subject matter. The film was considered important enough to be shown in secrecy to the leaders of the Allied force, Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin. The screening was arranged in Montreal. The logic of an air force victory was brilliantly explained and was extremely influential in expanding an allied air force.
You're right, I should have said World of Color and not The Disney Channel. However, the word "banned" has both a technical and a colloquial definition. Song of the South is frequently referred to as banned even though it was not legally banned, it has obviously been internally banned by the Disney company. Even still, Song was released to theaters multiple times, while Victory was never theatrically re released, so I feel calling it banned is fair, especially since I explain what I mean by that in the video.
I recall seeing those early sequences about the development of the airplane on Disney's TV show in the 60s.
Why do you have music louder than your voice? This isn't necessary, and ruins videos for those of us with hearing damage. If you have something interesting to say, why do you want to drown out your own voice?
I don’t think he was purposely trying to do that lil bro.Calm down.
Sorry, man. When I listened to the video before posting, I could hear myself okay. In the future, I'll try to make it more balanced.
@@ParkNarcz I appreciate that. I don’t understand why so many folks think they need music in videos like this. It adds nothing, is a distraction from the subject, and makes it difficult for many folks to understand. If your subject is interesting, *that’s* what we’re there for. It’s a lot of work for you, and I can’t see it having any return.
@stevekreitler9349 I treated this video like a documentary, and I feel the music gives the right emotion, but you're not alone on your views, and I'm still trying to figure out the right balance for everyone. I appreciate your patience.
@@stevekreitler9349 I understand there is such thing as constructive criticism but you are just being unreasonably obnoxious over something that really isn’t that big of a deal.
Thanks for this video. I found out about the Disney movie "Victory Through Air Power"" in 1971 when I read Seversky's postwar "Airpower: Key to Survival" but it took until 2004 before I saw the movie. I collected Seversky's three works and my copy of "Victory Through Air Power" has Seversky's autograph--it's one of the joys of vintage books. A short clip of Billy Mitchell starts off "Victory Through Air Power." Right now, that Disney movie would very much be a niche product. For a decade I was a volunteer staffer at the Hill Aerospace Museum.
"Victory Through Air Power" is a two-fer, interesting to both Disney fans and aviation history buffs.
Thank you for commenting! That's really cool you have an autographed copy of "Victory"!
@@ParkNarcz It was autographed to someone else in 1943, a while before I was even born.
How sad that Disney today has not one iota of patriotism that it had then.
Disney is actively hostile towards the family and the USA. Florida is smart for trying to expel Disney.
Bwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh #blessyourheartsouthernstyle
Never forget that Severski had heavy interests in this policy: he founded Seversky Aviation Company some years earlier, which lately became Republic Aviation Company; the Company that designed and sold the famous P-47 Thunderbolt during the same War, the F-84, for the Korean war, the F-105, for the Vietnam war and today's A-10 Thunderbolt II, in alliance wit Fairchiid. for all wars after Vietnam up to this day. So, Severski had much, much at stake with this movie, indeed.
"In the modern era aerial bombardment is seen by many as inhumane..." Just what part of war is seen as humane?
Fair point!
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The part where the enemy no longer attracts or tries to cause harm.
Peace through superior fire power.
Interesting pic at 1:23. Very late model B-17G with suppressed radio room gun and, I believe, Cheyenne tail turret.
Donald Duck became Uncle Scrooge during the sale of War Bonds.
People seem to think that Disney was pro-Nazi. His efforts during the war proved this to be wrong as does this film does. Disney served as an ambulance driver during the tail end of World War One. I've seen it on TH-cam and it is a great film that needs to be seen. It makes a good case for strategic bombing and how it could affect the outcome of the war.
A lot of those accusations against Walt only started appearing after his employees (many of whom were Jewish) begged him to look into the growing communist presence in Hollywood unions in the late ‘40s and early ‘50s. When Walt finally obliged, he was horrified by how deep the Soviet agents had infiltrated the film industry and started cooperating heavily with the FBI and House Unamerican Activities Committee to snoop them out. Only then did the accusations of Walt being antisemitic appear out of seemingly nowhere. After the Cold War ended, it was discovered that the Soviets had told their agents to accuse any American who was getting wise to them of being an antisemitic fascist.
@benjamingrist6539 It's annoying how many people feel free to spread rumors, as though they are solid fact. There is literally no evidence Walt was antisemitic. I intend to do a full video on the animators strike one day.
@@ParkNarcz I agree with you 💯. Walt wasn’t perfect (no one is) but there’s no evidence to support that pesky rumor. Hopefully your future video will help put an end to it.
I heard they were called "salami tactics."
Today's transnationalists socialists/globalist socio-fascists (Third Worldism) woke cultists/Hegelian cultists project their fascism on their opponents in their futile efforts to subvert history. Fascism is never on the RIGHT side of history. They have been fairly successful in their destruction of such companies as Disney but in all actuality its true underlying cause is innovation. We've moved out of the secular postmodern "mass society" era/paradigm and into the new postsecular metamodern "network society" era/paradigm. The woke films will have their own genre and there will be a case study on everything woke inorder to understand what not to do.
The guy who drew Spiderman was stationed in Occupied Germany after WW2
war is inhumane. but losing is more inhumane.
Hope you catch the last season of "Man in the High Castle"
As a parent, it was hard to watch but am so glad the Nazis did not win.
War is all too human! Actually, I knew what you meant. But, for it to make sense, it would all depend on which side you end up being on -- the winning side or the losing side. Long story short, YOUR quip (someone else's?) is not logical/doesn't make sense.
In war, all sides lose.
@@jkotynek true, but one side loses less than the others.
@@jkotynek Exactly what did the Colonists lose as a RESULT of the American Revolutionary War? Yes, both sides lose lives -- but, that is a given consequence of going to war.
In 2007 I was completing an extended active duty assignment at the Pentagon and ready to retire. Among the many duties I had to sort out for my replacement was my small part in planning and coordinating the 60th anniversary of the Air Force later this same year. I had contacted a gentleman in our historical department about locating a copy of "Winged Victory", but he did not have one. Instead he offered to do a screening of "Victory Through Air Power" to see if it would be suitable for service-wide distribution. We arranged a showing in one of our conference rooms that had a large screen, but few people attended. Even I was unable to watch more than half of it before I had to depart for a retirement briefing. I never found out if the film was accepted and distributed throughout our bases for the anniversary event, but after retirement I made a point of purchasing a new print of Disney's "On the Front Lines ", which contains the complete film. I also found a less than stellar copy of "Winged Victory". Maybe someday this latter film will receive a restoration in time for the US Air Force's 100th anniversary. If we don't preserve the heritage of our past, how will we judge our progress in the future?
Thank you for commenting! I completely agree!
Who cares what “The Daily Worker” thought of the film.
isnt that a communist rag?
I bought the Walt Disney WWII DVD compilation back in 2001, and Victory Through Air Power is one of the featured films.
Well worth watching, excellent film! 🎥
Disney Treasures "On the Front Lines The War Years"
At 3:28 there is a sketch of what looks like a scarily modified Mickey Mouse. It seemed familiar; and it then came to me. It resembles one of Oogie Boogie's minions in "A Nightmare Before Christmas" (also a Disney production). Later on, the video brings up the fact that Churchill thought "Victory Through Air Power" was so significant that he had it shown to FDR and then British officials, who actually made the armor piercing "Disney Bomb" described in his film based on that Russian guy's book. It went well for the Allies, huh?
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Wow! It’s a gas mask for kids! Take another look at it. The canister is at the bottom, my guess is the ears are attached to the straps to snug it down.
I don't know how much influence the film had in fighting the war, but the book played a major role.
Billy Mitchel’s bombing in the 20s that utterly embarrassed the Navy and the Navy’s humiliation at Pearl Harbor and subsequent battles in the southwest Pacific only fueled that the book was right…
Disney now is antithetical to Walter.❤
Sort of. Walt held a number of "progressive" views that are contrary to the US. One example is Bambi (and other scenes in Disney productions) where the hunters are portrayed as so incompetent that they basically need machine guns to hunt.
@@kamaeq Arrogant "progressives" who are against hunting are just ignorant. Hunting is vital to the survival of wildlife.
5:50 - the (badly) drawn Lancaster has the Squadron code on my Uncle's aeroplane, EM-F of 207 Squadron. Saw this on the telly 30 years ago, never noticed that bit, and it was an impressive production.
Seversky is famous along with Alexander Kartveli, for designing the P-35, P-43 and especially the P-47 Thunderbolt.
Kartveli also went on to design the F-84 series and last, the famous F-105...quite the legacy!
I think I saw this movie as a little boy, sometime in the early 1950s, in a defense department school or a US Army base theater in Panama. I also saw a movie about how the human body fights infection that was both entertaining and scary. That movie had the wartime Disney touch also. I have never heard anything about them since.
That's awesome! It's great to know this was being shown in places like that! I'm sure Walt would have been proud!
Will have to watch on TH-cam... thanks for showing us this
Thanks for watching!
As someone who taught at the US Air Force School of Advanced Airpower Studies and later the US Marine Corps School of Advanced Warfighting, I must say this is an outstanding treatment of the film.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate you saying that! And Thank You for your service!
I just watched the film, which came up automatically after your vid. It is a terrific film. Thank you.
Here’s an old trick to set levels. If you have 2 to 3 channels of sound, use the master level and reduce the sound..... the last sound you hear would be the narrator or lead singer in music. If I hear more than that, it’s blurry, I don’t hear the storytellers voice, which can be very enjoyable, with just a little background for tone rather empty air.
Your video is a good piece on our history, especially Disney.
Keep up the good work .
Thank you for the tip!
WOW, Great presentation and analysis. Superbly explained with valid historical context. GOOD JOB, Walt would be proud.
Thank you! You're very kind!
When I was working at the Air War College, Maxwell AFB in 1980, there was at least one bootleg VHS copy of "Victory Through Air Power" floating around, and I got to see it "unofficially". I assume the the USAAF was given several of the theaterical films during the war, and did not give them all back to Disney post-war. Years later, when as the movie was released on DVD, I got one for myself. It is very worth watching.
I used Seversky’s book as a citation in my dissertation on how proximity works. It provided one of the clearest illustrations on the significance of proximity in any venture.
Meh, if anything it gave power to the "Bomber Mafia" and the US tactical fighter aircraft were not up to European standards. The USAAF was flying 2nd hand Spitfire Mark V aircraft in 1943 because not enough P-38s were reaching the front lines and the P-47 had serious range & climb issues. The USAAF in Europe refused to outfit the P-47 with the type of fuel tanks needed on long range mission and the climb issue would not be solved until early 1944. Conversely, General Kinney of the USAAF Pacific Air Force had an Australian fuel tank manufactured for the P-47 which allowed the aircraft to nearly match the Japanese Zero in range. That means the fight could be taken to the IJAF bases.
Art can influence culture in needed ways. Before Walt Disney, Mack Sennets Keystone Kops actually changed the hat style of American cops (didn't change their inner Keystone Kops though ) Krispy Kreme Patrol 🍩
Outstanding presentation and narration. Thank you
Thank you!
The statement that some may find the scenes of bombing disturbing is laughable. It was animation for God's sake and I would say any who found it disturbing needs to toughen up.
Uh, no. You don't get to define what other people ought to find disturbing. If the depiction of people en masse being burned alive doesn't bother you - well, you keep on being you.
Animation by nature is not real and if it is disturbing to you then reading about fire bombing or people being marched into gas chambers must be unbearable for you.
I am blown away that Walt Disney had this particular effect on history.
ParkNarcz: Don't worry about the music>voice balance!
Some will whine about anything!
Thank you! I do want to improve, and I appreciate everyone who gave respectful criticism, but I thank you for your support! It means a lot!
@@ParkNarcz You're most welcome. I didn't like how some criticized the piece as if the sound mess up was intentional.
If an EZ fix were possible, you would have done it. Future works will be made better by you from learning on this one. I listen to YT on speaker(s); I can solve most 'Oops' myself. If not, I move on. Criticism shouldn't be allowed by those who have never tried to create a video for others.
Oh well .. THANK YOU! Work well done in MY book, Bro!
Thank you! You rock!
I LOVE VICTORY THOUGH AIR POWER!!! Though Victory Though Air Power these days is an RC plane with a grenade
I've got a copy of DeSeversky's "Victory Through Air Power" and it's a VERY interesting read. I'd say the book and the movie (which I finally saw on TH-cam) complement each other very well.
Thanks for posting this!
Thank you!
@@ParkNarcz You're welcome! Major DeSeversky's book was a big best seller at the time and I believe the survival rate is very good. You may find copies for sale on line or at used book dealers. They also show up at militaria and gun shows if any book dealers are exhibiting.
Unfortunately, Seversky decided to sell military aircraft to Japan in the late 30s, It cost him his business.
Seversky was definitely a weird dude, and he made some other, obviously false claims that I chose not to include. To me, the triumph is all Walt's.
Did you read the book? He made some good points and some not so good predictions. Overall though, pretty thought provoking. What he sold to Japan was not that that advanced and very small in number. Not the best decision though.
Never knew any of this. Great video.
Thank you!
Great presentation, thank you.
Thank you!
In 1943, when the movie was released it changed nothing anymore. The bombing campaign was already at full strength. With daily B17 raids over Germany. But I think the Space exploration series by Disney hosted by Wernher von Braun had a much bigger impact and paved the way for the Moon landing!
Nice presentation, I enjoyed it and learned a few things as well.
Thank you!
Air forces had a great deal of trouble with German FLAK.
every air force had problems with antiaircraft fire, the Germans weren’t as bad as believed though…they were tough to deal with, but not as deadly as propaganda makes then out
It's funny, really, as we already knew this by WWII and were doing our best to dominate the skies in both Europe and the Pacific. Walt was preaching to the choir.
I know I would have loved it. Hope it comes on YT.
It is on youtube and I've been informed its on Roku's WW2 channel too.
Thanks for letting us know of this interesting film. Now I want to go watch it.
Thank you! You absolutely should!
What a GREAT video! My only criticism is that at times the music bed is too loud, almost drowning out your excellent narration.
Way to go, you've got a new fan!
Thank you! I intend to upload a better version of this later with the sound fixed!
Germany didn’t destroy the Maginot line. It still exists today. The Maginot line ends at the Belgian border. The Germans just went around it.
Very good editing and a film I’d never heard of much less seen. Just one thing: perhaps the b/g music is a little loud in places?
Thank you! Another commenter said that so I assume you're right. I will make it lower in the future. I may re-upload this later with lower sound.
"Roosevelt was blown away" ... well ...
1:28
Lower right of fuselage:
“Capt. L. B. Johnson / Navigator”
From my feeble research, this is not
Naval Reserve Lieutenant Commander (later Commander) Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ).
He did fly as an observer on a bombing raid of New Guinea, but not as a skilled crew member.
Oh well. A fun rabbit trail.
That was Disney then, look at Disney now!
2:28 Why does every movie, TV show, and Documentary producer insist on having (way to loud) background music during the dialog, making it difficult if not impossible to hear the dialog?
Do they play loud music while reading a novel?
Honestly I just screwed that up. I'll have a version with lower sound out later to correct this. Sorry about that.
Thank you . ps your downhome accent made for easy listening .
Boots on the ground …ultimately
I'd say the book did damage. The USAF has too much of a love for big bombers and does not give proper attention to fighter aircraft. The F-105, F-4, and most other tactical aircraft did marginally well to poorly over Vietnam. Only post Vietnam has the USAF corrected their tactical air doctrine.
Not banned. It was shown on the Disneyland show. Not shown due to lack of interest.
I don't believe it was shown it its entirety. I myself saw the history of aviation sequence, but that was all. However, if you have evidence the entire film was shown during the 60 year period, I'll correct myself.
@@ParkNarcz I remember seeing the "History of Aviation" on "Disney's Wonderful World of Color" TV show back in the 1960s but definately not they whole "Victory Throught Air Power" film, EXCEPT for a short segment in the 1970s featuring the American bald eagle fighting the Japanese octopus. A pretty dramatic sequence I might add!
this is spectacular, thanks!
Thank you!
For historical accuracy, extensive review of the strategic bombing campaign prove that the actual destruction caused was far less than the cost in men and material. For completeness, one has to consider the resources expended by the Axis on strategic air defense, those expended to harden targets in various ways (dispersion, AA, etc.) which cost a lot, etc.
Those considerations, besides the multiplicative effect of air power on land operations tactically, made the entire air campaign a great assist in victory. Just not in the way the prewar advocates of airpower wanted people to believe. In this way, the Allies air campaign was as flawed as the earlier Axis one, where when the RAF was literally about to go under from the Battle of Britain, the Luftwaffe, under Hitler's direction, changed to the Blitz period. This allowed the RAF to recover.
Great video, brother.
Thank you, man!
The Imperial Japanese Navy proved aircraft carriers were relevant in the 7th of December of 1941. The United States Navy proved the aircraft carriers, not at Pearl Harbor that day, and the damage they had done after to the Japanese Navy. Also proved they were relevant. So, you decide? The author wasn't totally correct in his opinion.
Basically the biggest ''at first i loled and then i serioused'' in the world of animation
Now it is missiles and drones.
Strange that Hand looks a bit like Ryan Reynolds.
Seversky designed the P47.
Atlas Shrugged? The Influence of Sea Power upon History?
I saw it in the 80s
By the time of the attack on Pearl Harbor, the U.S, already had the B-17s and B-24 among others if full production and the designs for the B-29 and B-32 were beginning production, as such the air war was already being planned out long before any movie was produced in mid 1942.
Disney is still producing propaganda
Wrinkles the duck sometimes reminds me of Donald Duck.
@Greenjagsurf:
"Propaganda THIS, you worthless bag of dog poop!"
"Waaah! Disney is 'woke' now!" cries the snowflake.
Turn OFF the wretched noise track !!!! I had to watch it using the mute tab and the CC option.
Wish I could hear what you're saying.
Agree with you!!!!
You need to lower the music
13:23 war is inhumane. There’s not a dime’s difference between aerial bombing and raining down artillery except that the former demolishes civilians. Yet it is civilians who make every scrap of war material and it is by force of numbers domestically that even the worst of tyrants can be dethroned. Let us not parse or nuance the delivery systems. Rather let us recognize, or re-recognize that the problem is war itself. Frankly I am appalled that America’s current ruler ship never seem to take into account the nuclear capabilities of the countries that they demonize in order to feed the perpetual necessity of new enemies to justify and fund the military industrial complex.
Don't think i ever jesrd of this film. (Im 70)
Lose the bells in the background. They drown out the narrator.
I question whether there is any evidence the film affected US policy toward AirPower. Before Pearl Harbor, the US had committed to ramping up aircraft production to astounding levels, with heavy bombers being prominent in the mix. Not only were plans laid out for the B-29, but also its back-up, the B-32, as well as the super heavy B-36. The Army Air Force was run by “The Bomber Mafia”, a group of generals who shared Seversky’s views.
Seversky’s Company, Republic, had the single largest Air Force contract for fighters, which required republic to hugely expand its operations in Farmingdale , New York as well as in a brand new megafactory in Evansville, Indiana.
I have seen Victory Through Air Power. It s a well-made piece of wartime propaganda that may have made some ordinary Americans feel better about paying for the war in treasure and blood, but I don’t think it significantly affected strategy or policy as that was the direction the Us was headed in even before the book was written.
Thankyou
13:16 All war is inhumane. That is it's very nature.
Personally, I agree.
@bwilliams463 ----> soooo, would you just surrender to the enemy / invaders so that you can pat yourself on the pack as a peacenik and get a quaker award?
I've seen victory through air power and for your information it was never banned during WW2 or after
"Banned" here just means the Disney company chose not to re release the film in theaters. Even Song of the South got that, and that film is referred to as "Banned" all the time. Obviously, the technical definition is a legal prohibition, but there's a colloquial understanding too. The character of Little Hiawatha, for instance, is likely "banned" internally at Disney.
Huge lack of DEI at Disney during the 1940s
Yeah, they only hired based on merit.
How barbaric.
@@ropeburnsrussellAyo shiot gimme sum dem high paid jahbs.
DEI IS A FAILURE?
@@e.a.corral4713 Snopes fact check team of fact checking fact checkers checked this fact using soros money funneled through five layers of ngos and it is a white nationalist conspiracy
Music is distracting
What were the Soviet's problem with it?
So, RAF Bomber Command formed their policy (Arthur Harris assuming command in 1942) flew 364,514 sorties after watching a cartoon from the Mickey Mouse company- dont think so.
That is not what I said.
Disney bond
Why have music at all?
Your background music is louder than the narration voice. Makes it hard to listen.
I'm sorry, man. I realized too late.
The air war wasn't decisive in Europe , but it won the war against Japan .
Once a base to launch b29 raids was gained, it was the firebombing of Japanese cities that won the war .
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The minutes of the Japanese war council indicated it was the entry of the USSR into the war, and the invasion of Japanese islands by the USSR, that made them accept unconditional surrender to the USA to protect Japan from the USSR. Their leaders cared little about the losses of Japanese people to firebombing or atomic bombing, and barely discussed it.
It was not all of one and nothing of the other. The conventional and atomic firebombings certainly were most direct in the War Cabinet's minds.
The USSR suddenly, to the Japanese, scrapped the peace treaty that had a year to run, 2 days after the 1st A bomb. Then a 2nd A bomb was used, despite Japanese scientists assurance only one such bomb was possible.
With the Soviet invasion of Manchuria there would be no fallback position to continue fighting if Honshu were overrun. The Soviets too would certainly depose the emperor if they were able to land in Japan, while the Americans would likely assure the dynasty would be allowed to continue.
Some of both.
@@stevenweaver3386 I should have made it clearer . I believe that taking Tinian was the decisive action of the Pacific war .
Once that was achieved, victory over Japan was assured . The firebombing was to make that certain . In that way , the assertions
of the Disney movie were vindicated . The atomic bombings achieved nothing more than the firebombing did .
In the end , Stalin honored his commitment to the allies on schedule and invaded Manchuria , there was absolutely no chance for the Japanese
and that triggered the surrender .
What, all by itself?
No.
Let me think about it? No, no movie won a war, the Germans didn't surrender until the full Red Army was in Berlin. I doubt anyone in Berlin could have watched a movie.
Shut you background music off
Bombing was terribly ineffective. Production increased in Germany throughout the war in spite of the Allied bombing. Most bombs dropped missed their targets.
It needed about another year and it would have crippled Germany as bad as it did Japan.
It was the change of strategy in using the bombers as bait for the Luftwaffe when the long range P51s and later P47s destroyed the German fighter force both in personell and training plus later on fuel. Strategic bombing did have a big effect but did not win the war alone as the bomber generals said. It would have taken much longer without the long range fighters and the huge American lend lease programs.
Also why the British and later Americans went to area bombing.
Yet in January 1945, Speer told Hitler the war was now lost because bombing had crippled war production to the extent that Germany could not continue, and also stated that if the damage of Hamburg had been repeated at 6 cities, the war would have been lost.
I have not done independent research, but if production increased, the strategic bombing stopped it from making battle lines
The piano beat me I bailed music too loud
Cut the music. Please.
Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of that. Okay, one dissenting voice here about allied bombing policies in WW2, wasn't that film clearly promoting the perpetration of war crimes? Before and since WW2, the deliberate targeting from the air of civilians, residential districts and cultural, medical, historical and social centers has always been prohibited by law, and for obvious humanitarian reasons. The "no law against it" validation used by allied leaders could not be justified in any way, there were indeed no laws against dropping things from airplanes but there were laws prohibiting all attacks on non military targets, if we always allowed new means of war or new weapons to be used in the judicial gap between creation and regulation, there probably wouldn't be a human race anymore, unfortunately this is exactly what happened in France, Germany, China and Japan during WW2 and later in Indochina, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and many others.
The dates are also strange: in 1942 Frederick Linderman, Churchill's science advisor ordered the Butt report to see how accurate the British bombing campaigns against German military targets were... The results? One bomber out of the whole armada succeeded in getting one bomb within 5 miles of the designated target... devastating, not worth the trouble. That's when the decision was made to forget military installations and target cities at night instead, ya can't miss them cities can ya! So, from 1942 on, the British indiscriminate devastation had begun, what could a 1943 film add to that, I have no idea, looks like ha was trying to sell a refrigerator to an Esquimau.
And, as the narrator says at 13:15 "In the modern era, aerial bombardment is seen by many as inhumane, which honestly it is, but it may also have been necessary to defeat the axis powers." Well, if we allow ourselves to break the rules to achieve victory why bother making rules in the first place and what kind of victory is that anyway, I cannot see glory, honor or justification of any kind in dropping incendiaries on a city like Tokyo, a city made of paper and wood, resulting in 100,000 civilian victims burned alive in their own homes, all in one night, without any military gains for the perpetrators. If those who conceived and executed those unnecessary massacres are human, then there's more than one kind, I refuse to be part of the same category as these butchers, to me murder being criminal one day and rewarded the next is a concept that brings our mental abilities at the level of an earth worm... but I shouldn't say that, that's not fair for the earth worms.
I understand your position, and I certainly think it's very complicated. I don't think I really know any definitive answers on it, I only really have questions. There is evidence both for and against strategic bombing, and I certainly didn't intend to explore the subject fully here. I do think there has been an effort to portray it as though the Allied bombing campaigns were essentially pointless, and that's simply not true.
No cruise missiles or GPS at that time so bombing was done as best as possible at the time, which drastically improved with the invention of H2S and the creation of the Pathfinders which made bombing very accurate. Would you prefer a gentlemanly war lasting many more years and the Allies losing with Hitler having free rein to complete the Genocide and move onto exterminating the next groups on the list e.g. Slavs and Russians ? The Germans and Japanese were not fussy when they bombed.
I was about to be a bit sarcastic but I'll just say that the Japanese, Italy and Germany committed war crimes and bombed civilians first. Germany and Japan killed civilians with impunity. The future of the world was seen to depend on utterly destroying their evil. Mercy did come after the war as Germany and Japan were rebuilt.
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Hey, I love sarcasm, go ahead, don't be shy. Indeed, a lot of people do believe that Germany initiated the unrestricted bombing of civilians in WW2, that's because the British government finds it extremely difficult to stick to historical accuracy and because doing actual research about one's own untold crimes is not only unnecessary, but dangerous as well, much easier to go with the flow, disregard evidence and avoid asking questions but whatever you do, never, never, never read books, these things get really intense sometimes and it's not good for your eyes anyway. In WW2, the British bombing of German cities started on Sept. 5th, 1939 at Wilhelmshaven in Lower Saxony, long before Churchill began dropping white phosphorous on sleeping children. Eight months later the heavy bombers of British Bomber Command intentionally dropped bombs for the first time on residential areas in Mönchengladbach-Rheydt and from then on made such attacks on cities of the Ruhr area night after day, up to the 13th of May 1940.
The Germans did not start any of that and in fact, the Luftwaffe did not even have heavy bombers, they couldn't see any use for them. The truth you see, is that the British people were not told about the RAF bombing of Germany, Mr. Churchill did not want the despicable hoards to tell him how to win a war so even to this day, hardly anyone knows that 61 German cities were reduced to rubble, and that Berlin, for whatever reason, was bombed more than 314 times. Warsaw was under artillery siege, not just bombed, in Rotterdam the surrender came after the deadline, the bombs were dropped by mistake and at La Guernica they didn't take the decisions, Franco did, still, they refused Franco's murderous plan and in the end 92 people died total. As to the others, they all came later and were legitimate military targets, those were the orders.
The third and last phase of the British air offensive against Germany began in March 1942 and continued with undiminished ferocity until the end of the war in May, 1945. That phase began with the adoption of the Lindemann Plan by the British War Cabinet after the Butt report, commisionned by Churchill's science advisor Frederic Linderman had found that on a typical bombing raid only one plane got within 5 miles of the designated target. This report had a sobering effect on Air Command but it devastated the flight crews, most of whom thought that their war was over, ending in complete failure and disgrace.
The Linderman Plan thus proposed to enlarge the usual target areas to the approximate size of an average city and to stop trying to hit industrial and military targets. At the beginning some unconvincing humanitarian tree-huggers opposed the new tactic calling it barbaric but a few weeks later, they all convinced themselves of the necessity of the operation, brushing away all doubts about potential war crimes.
There were 11 raids on Nottingham during the war and in total, 178 people were killed and 350 injured. There were 18 raids on Coventry during the Battle of Britain between August and October 1940. There were 600 victims and about 370 injured. Coventry was an industrial city of around 238,000 people which, like much of the industrial West Midlands, hosted metal and wood-working industries. In Coventry's case, these included cars, bicycles, aeroplane engines and, since 1900, munition factories. In the words of the historian Frederick Taylor:
"Coventry was therefore, in terms of what little law existed on the subject, a legitimate target for aerial bombing".
The "Coventry Ordnance Works" for example was one of the leading munition centres in the UK, manufacturing 25% of all British aircraft produced during the war.
Then the British used the opportunity given to them by the attack on Coventry to try a new tactic against Germany which was carried out on 16 December 1940 as part of Operation Abigail Rachel against Mannheim. The British had been waiting for the opportunity to experiment with an incendiary-intensive raid, considering it a kind of retaliation for the German raid on Coventry. This was the start of a British drift away from precision attacks on military targets and towards area bombing attacks on whole cities. (by the way, 95% of US POWs in Germany made it home safely)
Adjust your music.
...probably not, since it was the Red Army that liberated Berlin in 19454....
I am autistic. What you think of as background music while you narrate is maddeningly foreground for people like me. I had to stop after 30 seconds! Just awful! Cant you have intro and outro music, and quiet while you speak?, and
Sorry, man. I may re-upload a version with lower music volume.
Ah, no.
Soviets won WW2, planes did alot of damage but foot soldiers did the job
Nope.
Utter nonsense.
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