Something I really like about Bob is that He always shows when things don't work as it supposes to do. The creation process is: 1.- To have an idea 2.- Try this idea 3.- Sometimes this idea doesn't work 4.- To come up with a new idea 5.- Repeat until you find out what is the best solution for your problem The creative process is full of try and error and that's the beauty of all of this. Most of the makers you'll find on TH-cam don't show that because of their pride. Good for You Bob.
This made me think of Evan & Katelyn's "Make Fail Make Fail Make" shirts. It is nice to see the iterative process in making. Makes it real, and reminds us viewers that not everything goes perfect the first time.
@@Iliketomakestuff That's one of my favorite parts of your videos. Its nice to be reminded that its ok if it doesn't work the first time. I also like that instead of trying a new idea first, you figure out why the original idea didn't work to see if it is salvageable.
It does make me feel better when my project doesn't go entirely as planned knowing that some days when Bob said "I like to make stuff", some days the thing he makes is just a mess.
So, instead of loosening the grub screw at the end of the Tee when you want to collapse it, just loosen the grub screw that's on the long pipe and let it slide to where the end piece is parallel to the long pipes. You could even change our the grub screw to a wing bolt, or just epoxy a cheap allen wrench into the grub screw. Just reach down and loosen it a bit, or for even easier deployment, through drill the long pipe and bracket, then drop a clevis pin into it at both the open, or the closed position.
What I like most about this channel is that they show the parts of building where things don’t always go as planned and you have to improvise and make it up as you go. It’s more realistic. I appreciate that.
I love how at one point Bob mentioned that it was Anthony’s suggestion to get rid of a pin. It really goes to show that, although Bob started the channel and is on camera most of the time, it’s not just about him. It’s small those little things that show that they all work as a team and it’s not just about one person. One of many reasons I love ILTMS content
I like creators who don't hide mistakes or unexpected things, because it reduces the pain of many other creators in their way of solving. If he learns from the video. Thanks. :)
We made a similar thing for my shed a few years back. We call ours the paint tree. I have added holders in the legs for all the tools I use when painting - spray gun, can holders for spray paint cans, holders for spray bottles of wax and grease remover and acetone, and paper towel and shop towel/rag holder.
You did the cuts for the wood lap joint exactly the same as I did on my moving CNC bench. Only difference is I bored 3/4" holes for hardwood dowels into the verticals and ran 3" deck screws from below into the dowels. No end grain issues that way and they look awesome. Always fun to see your videos. Keep them coming!
When it was wobbly, my first thought was to put some washers in there. And you did (in the end). Which is exactly the reason I love watching this channel. I just find that a lot of times, my own approach to solving a problem would be the same as yours, which just makes everything so much more relatable.
I do photography and have made a PVC pipe version of this to mount my backdrops. I may look more into steel and wood, although I think I can get away with 2x4s instead. Having a version like this for a backdrop, when painted, will likely look better than any PVC version I can make. Love your videos!
I always find it interesting when Bob comes up with solutions for solving problems. I actually thought about using washers before he mentioned that solution in the video! Keep up the great work Bob. 👍👍😉😉👏👏
Another great build! Projects like this one are great for those of us with a small workshop. Also, those extra arms you had made remind me of the adjustable arms we had at the Powdercoating shop I used to work at. We had steel rolling racks with two uprights and a pair (or multiple pairs) of arms similar to those you made. We used lengths of rebar to hang stuff off of for painting and baking.
This would be perfect for my garage! Also, thanks for the Send Cut Send recommendation, you may have just saved me from having to buy a bunch of new equipment...for now ha ha. Thanks for sharing!
Very nice job Bob. Hopefully you get great use out of it my friend for many years to come. Can't wait to see more videos soon. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Keep making. ITLMS. Clamp Champ. God bless.
Buy metal shopping trolleys, they make for really good mobile work areas, and you can also use them for storing stuff as well. Plus available in various sizes, and you can buy them as surplus, plus also the plastic ones are almost as useful. Available at pretty much every supplier of shop fittings and racking as well, either new or as used.
Painting rack, my man! But this is a great idea. Way better than carrying each piece inside one at a time to hang on the rafters or any available place to hang stuff
Hey great thanks. I'm looking into starting rug tufting using a tufting gun, and I wonder if a similar thing could be applied to the frame needed for that. The difference being it having carpet grips or something round the edge to stretch backing material across, and also a feature to put yarn spools and guide the thread from them to the gun as they unravel. 🤔 Food for thought
I think you should build a shed on the outside wall of your shop to put the compressor in. It will clear up a little floor space plus it will make it quieter in the shop, and it will give you another video to make. A little construction, a little insulation, a little roofing, a little wiring... a great all around video.
You should make little 3D printed caps with magnets that slot onto the bolts to make sure those laser cut hangers can never accidentally wiggle off when you don’t want them too.
The best part about using threaded pipes, even if you don't need them now, is that you can later extend them by getting a coupler and another length of pipe. Not sure how much longer you would want it to go, but it's available.
Very cool painting rack. I think I am going to make something similar for my garage. Possibly also maybe a rotating stand for painting a chunky object on all sides.
As usual, awesome execution. My idea is to make a smaller version, that doesn't roll. It'll be small enough to carry from my garden shed to the back yard. I'm gonna add a small roof structure since we have trees that live to drop live leaves on projects, as well as dive-bombing birds. Using the roof, I'll ad a couple battery powered lights for extra illumination, since I have plenty of extra Ryobi 18v tool batteries in my collection. Add a couple small fans, and I'll have a decent paint booth for working on my model trains... Which is something I've been meaning to work on.
Looking forward to more of the Karmann Ghia videos! Just a tip, when you go to lay the actual paint or clear coat, if the color isn't completely solid (if it had any pearl or flake in it), you'll want to lay the paint on the panels while they're on plane. You'll want to have he hood flat, and the doors vertical. Now that I'm thinking about it, you also built a rotisserie, so it wouldn't be a big deal as long as you painted the roof on the same plane as the hood...so yeah just plan out the spray patterns ahead of time! Haha
im planning on building a gantry crane this year. similar design with the uprights and the feet with castors. now i might make it folding.... good stuff,
I love all the little techniques you use, including coping with unexpected outcomes. Help. How do you set the circular saw blade depth so accurately? Separate video maybe? Thanks
Bob, have y’all done any videos on your process of making videos (lighting, camera gear, scripts, editing, etc.)? I’m always impressed with the pacing and your ability to speak to the camera with such ease.
Since you also film stuff, a similar rack at that height might be good for a portable light setup. Don't know if it'd have to be made out of 4x4 post, but 1" bar is handy, a lot of camera & lights & A/V have various mounts & clamps to attach to overhead bar
Very cool. I think I m going to use a similar concept for a rolling wall in my photography studio that I can rest flat against another wall when not in use.
I really like the idea of this. However, I would modify it so there is a rigid square with the wheels rotating. Each vertical post would have two positive stops that pivot on perpendicular surfaces. That way you could rotate one up and one down and adjust the bottom of the T into a folded closed or folded open configuration. I think I'll try a large diameter PVC for the top horizontal part with a set pin. I think that will weigh less than a metal bar and help to keep it from becoming top heavy. Since the square is rigid I'd go with either 2x4 or 4x4 for the bottom horizontal connection which should add extra weight to the bottom.
Yep, gave me the idea for a problem I have been struggling with. Need to hang Carbon print tissues and hardening paper for photography that have chemistry in them (formaldehyde, dichromate) that you really don’t want to use inside. Thanks!!
if it had a little deployable cover (some sort of clear plastic sheeting or something) then while you are letting things dry you could leave it outside and not worry about dust and debris getting on it. That way you don't have to try to roll that thing with things that are still wet because you need to get them protected under a roof.
I personally would love a video more about your painting car process. I have to repeatedly repaint my car as have issues with the paint chipping off under a year.
Something you maybe could’ve done is put a *third* identical horizontal bar between the legs (just above the casters). There’d be less play when unfolding/folding up the legs.
A suggestion for ease of use. Replace the set screws in each fitting with an appropriate bolt that has a knob connected to it. That way you won't need an allen wrench to tighten each fitting down.
If you don't have them already I highly recommend picking up a paint gun for those large flat surfaces. My fingers thank me every project I don't have to use a raddle can on.
I think it would've been funny to solve this problem with a long rail and a repurposed garage door opener. Hang stuff, hit button, it goes outside on its own lol It wouldn't be a better solution but it would be entertaining.
A slider on the T pieces would be a nice addition, so you could fold it without detaching the structural side pieces/pipes. Just a thought, nice project keep it up 👍
I dont know if the rattle can primer spraying was just for demonstration or not, but I've had very bad luck with rattle can paint on metal, personally. Self contained HVLP turbine units aren't that expensive in the grand scheme of this project. I saved myself the cost of the spray gun plus the paint on some custom cabinets, and now i have a spray gun.
I wonder if it's worth making arms to hold a plastic or fabric backing "tent" to keep dust / wind off the piece while it's being sprayed, to try and avoid getting bits of twig, bug, etc in the paint before you bring it it.
Cool rack! I would personally have made the feet to rotate around the bottom of the two poles, and made the top more rigid, that way the structure would have been more solid and when folded, it would have bee completely flat! But I guess that works too!
Thanks for the fun video! Question: What primer/spray paint do you personally use for steel? I’m trying to find a durable option, but am currently having some trouble finding which one is best. Thank you for your thoughts!
This HAS given me an idea: I have limited space to store stuff so why not bolt a couple of those swivel pipe fittings on an outside wall & have paint racks that can just fold down out of the way? Swivel fitting at one end, saddle fitting at the other...and maybe an adjustable length pipe to let it fold down even more...
I get that the "slipperyness" of the steel pipe is advantageous, but it seems like it would have been simpler to use a generic door hinge, and just screw in a 2x4 span between the posts.
Instead of the cut top bolt for the small hangers and driving the bottom bolt in and out wallering out the threads why not use a pin that you can pull to drop the small part hangers? Or add in a threaded inserted for the bottom bolt so you don't risk stripping it out
might be a stupid idea, but it might be good to put like a flag or something on top to you can reference wind direction to keep from getting backspray.
honestly my first thought on fixing the wobble in the hinges was to remove the pin and put washers in it, which is weird because im not normally that smart...
i can only assume you wanted a project for those swivels otherwise this whole thing could be done with a drill and a 3/4 in hole and pipe drill hole insert pipe in center you could do that for you T at the bottom instead of the lap joint and for the racking as well
I think there is a much easier solution to your racking problem. You could have just had the upper rail be 6" shorter than the bottom so the uprights aren't parallel.
I thought you were going to make some kind of enclosure, so you can spray inside without getting overspray on all your tools, wood etc. Would it be hard to add that? You really want four corners where the plastic, cardboard, etc. leans on, I guess.
Something I really like about Bob is that He always shows when things don't work as it supposes to do.
The creation process is:
1.- To have an idea
2.- Try this idea
3.- Sometimes this idea doesn't work
4.- To come up with a new idea
5.- Repeat until you find out what is the best solution for your problem
The creative process is full of try and error and that's the beauty of all of this.
Most of the makers you'll find on TH-cam don't show that because of their pride.
Good for You Bob.
Making things isn't a perfect process. We want to be honest about our process so others know they aren't bad at things, things are tough.
This made me think of Evan & Katelyn's "Make Fail Make Fail Make" shirts.
It is nice to see the iterative process in making. Makes it real, and reminds us viewers that not everything goes perfect the first time.
@@Iliketomakestuff That's one of my favorite parts of your videos. Its nice to be reminded that its ok if it doesn't work the first time. I also like that instead of trying a new idea first, you figure out why the original idea didn't work to see if it is salvageable.
It does make me feel better when my project doesn't go entirely as planned knowing that some days when Bob said "I like to make stuff", some days the thing he makes is just a mess.
So, instead of loosening the grub screw at the end of the Tee when you want to collapse it, just loosen the grub screw that's on the long pipe and let it slide to where the end piece is parallel to the long pipes. You could even change our the grub screw to a wing bolt, or just epoxy a cheap allen wrench into the grub screw. Just reach down and loosen it a bit, or for even easier deployment, through drill the long pipe and bracket, then drop a clevis pin into it at both the open, or the closed position.
Those Send Cut Send pieces are really smart and that is a cool service. Great use of that resource!
Yes they are!
Oh man, I love every project around your Ghia, keep it coming!
More to come!
What I like most about this channel is that they show the parts of building where things don’t always go as planned and you have to improvise and make it up as you go. It’s more realistic. I appreciate that.
I love how at one point Bob mentioned that it was Anthony’s suggestion to get rid of a pin. It really goes to show that, although Bob started the channel and is on camera most of the time, it’s not just about him. It’s small those little things that show that they all work as a team and it’s not just about one person. One of many reasons I love ILTMS content
I like creators who don't hide mistakes or unexpected things, because it reduces the pain of many other creators in their way of solving. If he learns from the video. Thanks. :)
We made a similar thing for my shed a few years back. We call ours the paint tree. I have added holders in the legs for all the tools I use when painting - spray gun, can holders for spray paint cans, holders for spray bottles of wax and grease remover and acetone, and paper towel and shop towel/rag holder.
Your videos are very inspirational and very detailed. You explain it perfectly. Thank you.
Good call Anthony on cutting out those pins and using washers and new bolts. That's what I was thinking as well.
Build a small paint booth on the side of the farm shop. Then you have protected and dedicated paint/ finishing area. That would be a good video, too!
You did the cuts for the wood lap joint exactly the same as I did on my moving CNC bench. Only difference is I bored 3/4" holes for hardwood dowels into the verticals and ran 3" deck screws from below into the dowels. No end grain issues that way and they look awesome. Always fun to see your videos. Keep them coming!
When it was wobbly, my first thought was to put some washers in there. And you did (in the end). Which is exactly the reason I love watching this channel. I just find that a lot of times, my own approach to solving a problem would be the same as yours, which just makes everything so much more relatable.
Haha, it's so enjoying to watch the process. Thanks for sharing.
You should make an automobile rotisserie and an autobody roller next.👍
I do photography and have made a PVC pipe version of this to mount my backdrops. I may look more into steel and wood, although I think I can get away with 2x4s instead. Having a version like this for a backdrop, when painted, will likely look better than any PVC version I can make. Love your videos!
Another great project. Another great video. Thanks Bob, for educating me and entertaining me all these years
Pretty darn genius! Well done.
Glad you liked it!
I love that we have the same hobbies. Feel like I'm cheating life watching your videos and putting ideas to paper.....and build em.
Bob, You are the Master of Making it Work, my friend. I love the rack, and it might be something I can use in my shop.
Thanks for sharing.
Felix
Thanks 👍
I always find it interesting when Bob comes up with solutions for solving problems. I actually thought about using washers before he mentioned that solution in the video! Keep up the great work Bob. 👍👍😉😉👏👏
Great intro, love the creative editing
Please show more of working on the Ghia. I would love videos of you just working on the project instead of having you jump to so much progress made.
There should be a Karmann Ghia video out soon.
I need to come up with an idea to use Send Cut Send... Nice problem solving!
Go for it!
Another great build! Projects like this one are great for those of us with a small workshop. Also, those extra arms you had made remind me of the adjustable arms we had at the Powdercoating shop I used to work at. We had steel rolling racks with two uprights and a pair (or multiple pairs) of arms similar to those you made. We used lengths of rebar to hang stuff off of for painting and baking.
This would be perfect for my garage! Also, thanks for the Send Cut Send recommendation, you may have just saved me from having to buy a bunch of new equipment...for now ha ha. Thanks for sharing!
Very nice job Bob. Hopefully you get great use out of it my friend for many years to come. Can't wait to see more videos soon. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Keep making. ITLMS. Clamp Champ. God bless.
Love this one, Bob! Great idea!
Dude. I totally need this.
It wasn't that hard, you can do it!
Brilliant, Bob! Nicely done! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Buy metal shopping trolleys, they make for really good mobile work areas, and you can also use them for storing stuff as well. Plus available in various sizes, and you can buy them as surplus, plus also the plastic ones are almost as useful. Available at pretty much every supplier of shop fittings and racking as well, either new or as used.
Painting rack, my man!
But this is a great idea. Way better than carrying each piece inside one at a time to hang on the rafters or any available place to hang stuff
Hey great thanks. I'm looking into starting rug tufting using a tufting gun, and I wonder if a similar thing could be applied to the frame needed for that. The difference being it having carpet grips or something round the edge to stretch backing material across, and also a feature to put yarn spools and guide the thread from them to the gun as they unravel. 🤔 Food for thought
I think you should build a shed on the outside wall of your shop to put the compressor in. It will clear up a little floor space plus it will make it quieter in the shop, and it will give you another video to make. A little construction, a little insulation, a little roofing, a little wiring... a great all around video.
That Intro was SICK
I made a similar piece to display clothes on at a garage sale with scrap wood pieces but this gives me more ideas on how to use it. Thank you!
You should make little 3D printed caps with magnets that slot onto the bolts to make sure those laser cut hangers can never accidentally wiggle off when you don’t want them too.
The best part about using threaded pipes, even if you don't need them now, is that you can later extend them by getting a coupler and another length of pipe. Not sure how much longer you would want it to go, but it's available.
You are a great man. God bless you.
Very cool painting rack. I think I am going to make something similar for my garage. Possibly also maybe a rotating stand for painting a chunky object on all sides.
As usual, awesome execution.
My idea is to make a smaller version, that doesn't roll. It'll be small enough to carry from my garden shed to the back yard. I'm gonna add a small roof structure since we have trees that live to drop live leaves on projects, as well as dive-bombing birds. Using the roof, I'll ad a couple battery powered lights for extra illumination, since I have plenty of extra Ryobi 18v tool batteries in my collection. Add a couple small fans, and I'll have a decent paint booth for working on my model trains... Which is something I've been meaning to work on.
Looking forward to more of the Karmann Ghia videos! Just a tip, when you go to lay the actual paint or clear coat, if the color isn't completely solid (if it had any pearl or flake in it), you'll want to lay the paint on the panels while they're on plane. You'll want to have he hood flat, and the doors vertical.
Now that I'm thinking about it, you also built a rotisserie, so it wouldn't be a big deal as long as you painted the roof on the same plane as the hood...so yeah just plan out the spray patterns ahead of time! Haha
definitely making something similar to this for my workshop!!
Go for it! Tag us on social media with #MadewithILTMS so we can share it around
im planning on building a gantry crane this year. similar design with the uprights and the feet with castors. now i might make it folding.... good stuff,
I love all the little techniques you use, including coping with unexpected outcomes. Help. How do you set the circular saw blade depth so accurately? Separate video maybe? Thanks
Bob, have y’all done any videos on your process of making videos (lighting, camera gear, scripts, editing, etc.)? I’m always impressed with the pacing and your ability to speak to the camera with such ease.
Bob has a shop bigger than most homes and still manages to not have enough space!
Since you also film stuff, a similar rack at that height might be good for a portable light setup. Don't know if it'd have to be made out of 4x4 post, but 1" bar is handy, a lot of camera & lights & A/V have various mounts & clamps to attach to overhead bar
Very very cool project! Do be careful heating up zinc plated parts as it can create dangerous gasses.
Very cool. I think I m going to use a similar concept for a rolling wall in my photography studio that I can rest flat against another wall when not in use.
I really like the idea of this. However, I would modify it so there is a rigid square with the wheels rotating. Each vertical post would have two positive stops that pivot on perpendicular surfaces. That way you could rotate one up and one down and adjust the bottom of the T into a folded closed or folded open configuration. I think I'll try a large diameter PVC for the top horizontal part with a set pin. I think that will weigh less than a metal bar and help to keep it from becoming top heavy. Since the square is rigid I'd go with either 2x4 or 4x4 for the bottom horizontal connection which should add extra weight to the bottom.
Yep, gave me the idea for a problem I have been struggling with. Need to hang Carbon print tissues and hardening paper for photography that have chemistry in them (formaldehyde, dichromate) that you really don’t want to use inside. Thanks!!
Oh man it looks aweome1!!!
Thanks! It works really well too.
@@Iliketomakestuff OH MY GOD I HAVE NEVER BEEN REPLIED TO BY MY IDOL!
BTW UR WORK IS AMAZING
Love this!
if it had a little deployable cover (some sort of clear plastic sheeting or something) then while you are letting things dry you could leave it outside and not worry about dust and debris getting on it. That way you don't have to try to roll that thing with things that are still wet because you need to get them protected under a roof.
I personally would love a video more about your painting car process. I have to repeatedly repaint my car as have issues with the paint chipping off under a year.
Something you maybe could’ve done is put a *third* identical horizontal bar between the legs (just above the casters). There’d be less play when unfolding/folding up the legs.
So happy to see the engine lid getting a new life it deserves.
Cool idea
A suggestion for ease of use. Replace the set screws in each fitting with an appropriate bolt that has a knob connected to it. That way you won't need an allen wrench to tighten each fitting down.
If you don't have them already I highly recommend picking up a paint gun for those large flat surfaces. My fingers thank me every project I don't have to use a raddle can on.
this is a fantastic solution to not having a huge dedicated painting area!
I think it would've been funny to solve this problem with a long rail and a repurposed garage door opener. Hang stuff, hit button, it goes outside on its own lol It wouldn't be a better solution but it would be entertaining.
A slider on the T pieces would be a nice addition, so you could fold it without detaching the structural side pieces/pipes. Just a thought, nice project keep it up 👍
80 gallon compressor cries in the corner as Bob uses a rattle can of paint. :)
*sad 80 gallon compressor noises*
When he goes to sand it he will be crying lol
For now you don't need it but you can put some extra bolts to wire the pieces more stable when painting 👍
I dont know if the rattle can primer spraying was just for demonstration or not, but I've had very bad luck with rattle can paint on metal, personally. Self contained HVLP turbine units aren't that expensive in the grand scheme of this project. I saved myself the cost of the spray gun plus the paint on some custom cabinets, and now i have a spray gun.
Awesome
Thanks!
I wonder if it's worth making arms to hold a plastic or fabric backing "tent" to keep dust / wind off the piece while it's being sprayed, to try and avoid getting bits of twig, bug, etc in the paint before you bring it it.
That Carmen Ghia looks tight man. Are you doing videos on that build too?
Cool rack! I would personally have made the feet to rotate around the bottom of the two poles, and made the top more rigid, that way the structure would have been more solid and when folded, it would have bee completely flat! But I guess that works too!
Thanks for the fun video! Question: What primer/spray paint do you personally use for steel? I’m trying to find a durable option, but am currently having some trouble finding which one is best. Thank you for your thoughts!
teeny tiny "you're welcome" from Anthony, I see you.
This HAS given me an idea: I have limited space to store stuff so why not bolt a couple of those swivel pipe fittings on an outside wall & have paint racks that can just fold down out of the way? Swivel fitting at one end, saddle fitting at the other...and maybe an adjustable length pipe to let it fold down even more...
3:50 instead of cutting the wings, cut the flange, turn it sideways and reweld
Hi Bob!
LOL I was literally yelling at my phone "ADD WASHERS" before you figured out what to do
Nice mobile paint stand
What about wing nuts on all the hinges so you can make it easier to loosen and tighten as you roll it out and put it away
I get that the "slipperyness" of the steel pipe is advantageous, but it seems like it would have been simpler to use a generic door hinge, and just screw in a 2x4 span between the posts.
Instead of the cut top bolt for the small hangers and driving the bottom bolt in and out wallering out the threads why not use a pin that you can pull to drop the small part hangers? Or add in a threaded inserted for the bottom bolt so you don't risk stripping it out
HEY JOSH!
Cool
I like your use of the British term "Grub Screw", I usually only hear Americans saying "Set Screw". :-)
what brand are those wax canvas pants in the begining of the vid please?
might be a stupid idea, but it might be good to put like a flag or something on top to you can reference wind direction to keep from getting backspray.
That's a great idea!!
Lol, "Hi Josh"
honestly my first thought on fixing the wobble in the hinges was to remove the pin and put washers in it, which is weird because im not normally that smart...
i can only assume you wanted a project for those swivels otherwise this whole thing could be done with a drill and a 3/4 in hole and pipe drill hole insert pipe in center you could do that for you T at the bottom instead of the lap joint and for the racking as well
nice
World's most Ranch style Wardrobe rack. lol
I think there is a much easier solution to your racking problem. You could have just had the upper rail be 6" shorter than the bottom so the uprights aren't parallel.
I thought you were going to make some kind of enclosure, so you can spray inside without getting overspray on all your tools, wood etc. Would it be hard to add that? You really want four corners where the plastic, cardboard, etc. leans on, I guess.
This needs a nickname. Transforming paint stand, I dub thee Optimus Prime.
11:11 i see that 2 trees close to each other. Tie a rope between them you probably save more space? You just need a space to keep the rope.
Hi Josh
💖
missed opportunity for "hey I'm Bob and I like to paint stuff"
Now you need a collapsible paint booth to put it in to keep the dust out.
What are the 4 layers of wood?