@@mikeycallihan3551 still, there was malpractice involved, I'm not sure if the contract would even be applicable if we consider the doctor didn't follow his guidelines either... though I'm no lawyer
This is so disgusting because not only was he violating women, but also leaving an INCREDIBLY HIGH CHANCE of incest. Those children will grow up and likey form connections with eachother, since they are from the same community. Maybe they will have a family of their own, without knowing they're siblings 🤢
So many people seem to never be able to grasp this fact. I’ve seen multiple people say “what’s the big deal” concerning what happened in the documentary “The Man with 1000 Kids”? It’s incredibly dangerous to have a bunch of people unknowingly walking around with 100s of half siblings.
It's a minor concern in this whole fucked up case, but it seems kinda crazy to me that they used to just use random medical students and residents as donors.
This reminds me of the Octomom situation, where she had an addiction to going through rounds of IVF and her doctor not only enabled it and gave her several back-to-back IVF pregnancies, but lied to her about the number of viable eggs in her body at the time causing her to have an octuplet pregnancy in the first place. I would love to see you cover that one, especially with all the social context and controversy surrounding her at the height of her popularity.
I don't know if addiction is the correct term... Addiction requires compulsory behavior, offen despite physical or psychological harm, and I don't believe it was compulsive. I was a bit young at the time, but I don't recall any mention of an addiction to IVF. It seems she was ill-informed by her provider and didn't want to leave potentially viable embryos frozen due to personal beliefs, and her doctor did new rounds of IVF each time instead of using the frozen embryos. I can't recall all the details, but Mama Doctor Jones did a very comprehensive breakdown of the incident. I'd recommend it... Might rewatch it after this. I can't say it made Suleman an empathetic mother, but it did have me reexamining my biases and reproachful stance I've held since the 2000s. And that's neat.
@@asmrtpop2676 I'm not religious, but saying someone who is shouldn't have access to IVF is fucking stupid. Just as stupid as some crusty old white guys trying to ban abortion access because of their alleged personal beliefs. Like it or not, a lot of people who go through IVF do worry about the frozen embryos. I don't know what to tell you, become a crusty old politician if you want to make discriminatory laws blocking their access. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think that sperm donors SHOULD be allowed to be anonymous as far as what the families can learn, but must provide information to medical professionals and potential the police if relevant and must include medical information available to the family and presented upfront.
There are so many improvements in the policies if donor sperm and egg banks. There is a law now that a donor can't be used after 25 live births. It's also left for the donors to choose to be anonymous or not. If it's an Id donor, the offspring gets info for donors after they reach 18yrs. Still have crooks like this don cline operating.
The only reason why I think it shouldn't be anonymous is bc in the day 12 kids spread out over a decade that's a lot of missing medical history for one parent bc a lot can change for a person so a one time medical history is faulty I feel like choosing to become a donor is similar to choosing to give up a baby too adoption you gotta accept theres a good chance one of those kids might find you
There is a brazilian doctor called Roger Abdelmassih who also did very disturbing things during fertilization treatments! If you need help with translation i can totally do it free of charge your channel is amazing
It's weird that she inserted white supremacy in there. Super weird. F Quiverfull just means being open to having a lot of kids in a marriage if that's what you en's up with. Lots of people feel that way. All colors of people . Who gave her this weird info?
It’s unfortunately common. And it’s pervasive and a public health risk since so many more people decide to have children through infertility treatments.
I wish the prosecutors would've brought rape charges with perjury and obstruction charges. At least to have it reported that he was charged even if the court dismissed it. He raped those women by proxy and there's no reason to continue doing this and lying about it if he actually had good intentions. This man and anyone else who did what he did should be in jail until their spot in hell is ready.
Thank you - this was literally my first thought and it gets overlooked maybe (not necessarily) from a male perspective that it is, in its essence, r*pe! None of those women consented to being impregnated by him or anyone else 😢
I feel so bad for Jacoba, she went through so much to learn about all of her siblings and to try and bring that vile man to justice, just for it to fall flat and them to not speak to her because she wanted to speak out against all of this, i'll never understand why they didnt speak out with her more to help any other people this could ever/will ever effect
@taiya001 they might just not want to put their mother's through that. In the end it was the mother's that were harmed and most of them would just be learning what happened to them. The mother's were the ones who were victims of the crime so they'd be the ones forced to testify. It really wouldn't be fair to force them to process how they'd been violated so quickly and in the public eye like that
And that’s just people we know of, remember: back then people hid the fact that they were getting sperm donated, so there’s probably even more, especially considering that he would only admit to “donating” within parameters of discovered numbers.
I live in Indiana, not too far away from where all this took place. The idea that I could run-into, or already know any of the people affected by this case is chilling.
they may even commit incest unknowingly if they don't know that they are half siblings. That is so sick that he did not foresee that but he probably doesn't care and just want to do his experiment. He definitely deserves to be locked up for deceiving the parents and the kids.
The doctor probably thought one of 2 things 1)he didn't care about his children procreating with eachother 2)he figured by the time any if his descendants met up and had kids, the threat of complications from incest would be minimal, at best. Example, people who are 5th cousins are less likely, but not immune to, have kids that have complications because the blood relationship is more distant and diluted because their common ancestors were their great-great-great-great grandparents. But, what he did pretty much increased the chances that if his kids don't meet up and have kids, his grandchildren or great grandchild may. If I were his kid, I may try to get ahold of all my siblings, 1st, and 2nd cousins together so we can know eachother and avoid accidental incest. If I couldn't, I'd be DNA testing everyone I was dating to be sure we weren't related. Same with any kids I'd have when they started dating.
@@jagirl966also it is important for note that if there weren’t any incest cases already present, usually complication won’t occur as often the first case of incest. However, if a child brown of a first case of incest continues the cycle unknowingly, that’s usually where issues will become more noticeable and be more harmful. I could be wrong so correct me if I am. But I agree with what you said about the poor grandchildren.
@@kawaiicake8038 not meaning to sound rude or crass, but look what happened with the Habsburg family. The doctor and other like him could cause that if their children had no way of knowing they were related. Like the case of twins who were separated at birth, met and got married. Only when they were trying to have kids was it revealed they were siblings. They divorced or got an annulment. There was even a case where a man met and fell in love with a woman who turned out to be his biological daughter. In a disgusting twist, he was okay with sleeping with his own daughter. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
As someone who just went through a round of IVF, this is legit terrifying. It failed, unfortunately, but nonetheless a situation like this was always in the back of my mind.
@@pocketsizeforyourtravelcon3325 It is always worth trying, I had two cycles , before I had a healthy daughter, We would have tried one more time before applying to adopt . However you start a family it is a joy and blessing.
Also, I wonder if they could have made a case for it being a public health concern. He has the medical background to know that inbreeding is at a greater chance, the more half sibling that is out there.
Malpractice is a very specific thing legally. This is unethical but malpractice means a doctor didn’t do the right medical procedures. He didn’t do anything medically wrong, such as removing the wrong kidney or unnecessarily performing a hysterectomy. He did the wrong thing morally but not medically.
I am a young 17 year old girl myself with rheumatoid arthritis and this sickens me. Even as a young women I want to be a mother one day and the thought I can risk giving my future children and future family members down the line with my autoimmune disease has always worried me as a 7 year old and even still now that I am 17. The fact this doctor did not only violate these women but pass on the risk of a very painful disease or health risks is disgusting. I would 10000% consider this the r word. And that should’ve been considered a crime then too.
I watched a bit of a netflix documentary about this case a long time ago. what he did was absolutely vile. I wasn't able to finish the documentary because I was so disturbed.
I think sperm donars should be able to be semi-anonomous. Like they should be anonymous but with records kept and middle men to foster any necessary communication
No offense to any male physicians here, but as a woman, I choose female doctors whenever I'm given the chance. I especially insist when it comes to more intimate care such as OBGYN and GI. Statistically I'm also just better off with a female doctor when it comes to outcomes. Again, no offense, but some men just need to be better. Like, the fact that morgues prefer to hire female staff should freak more people out. Men need to be held more accountable by their coworkers. Now if it came to me having cancer or something and a certain male specialist was the obvious choice, I would consider it. However for "normal" stuff, I'm picking a woman every single time. I have a friend whose two year old daughter had fused labia and had to see an OBGYN as a result. The male doctor walked in, didn't wash his hands, and immediately put his hands on her genitals without warning. 😒 Unbelievable disregard for the patient and her mother who watched this unfold in horror. Not to mention the several cases where women have been assaulted by their male OBGYNs. Horrifying shit.
Funny, as a female, if given the choice, I choose a male physician/medical professional every time. In fact, I've insisted on male physicians over a female physician. I don't need/want emotional thinking or reasoning playing a part in my medical care, and bedside manner just happens to be very unimportant to me regarding medical professionals. And yes... that's a dig against female professionals....
@@isabellaunsolved8844 Better to be a female professional with "emotional thinking" than a female like you, who apparently does no thinking whatsoever.
@@isabellaunsolved8844 interesting, choice as you are literally less likely to be killed by a female physician whether you're male or female. 🙄 Not all of us have had wonderful experiences with male physicians. Many of us have been brushed off or told "it's your period" casually instead of having causes thoroughly investigated. Female doctors are also more likely to believe your pain and take it seriously. You do you, boo, but statistically you're safer with a female doctor.
@@isabellaunsolved8844in the convos i’ve had with men, they are all more emotional than us. I’d rather have someone who has felt the same pains as me. not some mane that thinks they know better
I am really enjoying your "storytelling" abilities. I follow a ton on here and you are really calm cool and collected. You don't abruptly cackle or scream or talk quickly. Great job and I'm subscribed
My bf was a sperms donor. He was actually expecting a kid from a donation when we got together. Asked if it would be a problem. I told him nope. We get photos of the kids sometimes. Parents are great. He has a repour with them before hand and it hasn't changed.
okay so, there is a form of breedin kink/fetish, where men want to impregnate as many wemen as they can and i feel like this is that at the extreme end. i know its impossible for them to prove that he has this fetish but if they could, he couldv gotten 90+ rape charges. :(
That was the most strange part of this entire story. There’s no reason to do that. Unfortunately fertility fraud is not uncommon, but whitewashing is just so weird in this scenario. Especially considering the actual family was affected with it. It’s disrespectful
That was the most strange part of this entire story. There’s no reason to do that. Unfortunately fertility fraud is not uncommon, but whitewashing is just so weird in this scenario. Especially considering the actual family was affected with it. It’s disrespectful
51:01 I always find it “interesting” when prosecutors say “oh the JURORS will never care about this.” Like, sir, isn’t it your job to MAKE them care? Seems a little early to throw in the towel if this is something you really care about
There is an opportunity cost to pursue the case. You’re digging up trauma for the victims and passing up an opportunity to pursue another case because unfortunately there are way too many cases and a limited amount of legal resources. That’s why prosecutors care so much if a case is “winnable” or if it’s too much of a long shot. If prosecutors had unlimited time and resources then yes, every case would be worth pursuing, but that’s not the case. It’s an unfortunate reality that there are so many crimes and not enough legal resources to punish them.
Petal! I'm so glad your channel is blowing up, you are a breath of fresh air in the true crime space that is full of disrespect and rehashing of the same cases over and over again. You're thorough, your voice is calming, and you seem like such a kind person. I hope to see you hit 1 million soon!
Found your channel a couple days ago Petal. Love love love your content. Appreciate how thorough you are covering these cases, and bringing much needed attention to the injustices that so many people have endured, especially those of marginalized communities. Thank you!!
Wish you had these as a podcast as well so I can listen while falling asleep. Love your voice and you present the cases so clearly and concisely. Since Spotify took Parcast to bits I’ve been looking for a new podcaster to follow. I’ll be playing your videos at night for now, while I drop off to sleep 👍🏻 thanks for making content
@@michelle1291 I know of a lot of TH-camrs who submit just the sound straight from the video, so no extra editing. But it’ll definitely be more work, and I personally have no clue how much. Thankfully I have a second phone that I can use for yt podcast type things 👍🏻
wait, who the hell builds stigma against infertile people.... *checks notes*.... for wanting a damn baby?!?!? people will hate on ANNNNNYYYTHIIIINNNGGGG, and its so weird cuz they get mad if you dont want to have kids either.
Never surprised when religious people of any sort have bad qualities, especially ones they can “repent” away every time it becomes an issue for them. It’s a crutch and an excuse, but go off.
I feel really bad for a lot of Christian people, because a whole bunch of you guys are very kind and decent but then theres just real weirdos like this guy who spoil a lot of people's opinions of you guys :(
What is with people, especially doctors, getting into college on a sports scholarship, losing that scholarship for whatever reason, then going on to commit the most unbelievable crimes? Why does it just seem to Keep. Happening?
if you have to beg, "wait no, don't tell people about my actions- they'll look at me differently," you're the one that's in the wrong. if you want to be spoken about well, do good to the people around you. if you don't want to be spoken about negatively, don't do things that are worth speaking out about. if you do something that heinous and lie about it for decades, that's definitely worth talking about
Excellent coverage, and I appreciate you focusing on facts and pointing out discrepancies and how other sources may have covered things. Love your videos, you're a star 🌟
PLEASE, lovely Petal, make a video about two czech boys, one who ended up in coma (and died last week) and another one who ended up in awaken coma with damaged brain, both because of bad operation of tonsils and even WORSE behavior of staff of the hospital. The one who is still alive - Adam Vycital and the hospital was in Pardubice. It was in 2017. There is even a footage from a cctv where the poor mother is running with the boy in her hands and tries to find a help - one doctor just passes her by, not even ask her if she needs something, then a nurse appears but she is not able to help. The one who died - His name was Matej Kocian and the hospital he was in was in Brno. I think the operation was in 2010. He lived for 14 years. Both incidents are tragic and people should know about this. I ADORE your videos and I think you are the right person who could talk about it. If you would need any help with translation, I can help. Sending hugs and thanks for your videos, Kat
@ the follow up question at the end: I think sperm donors should be allowed to choose if they want to be anonymous. And the person receiving the treatment should be allowed to choose if they want to know or not. And then they can be matched up according, just as they do with everything else! This case is absolutely WILD
What if the kid wants to know? he or she wasn't in on the agreement about not knowing the father's identity. It's not the mother's looking for the information on the dad, it's the kid.
You cannot choose anonymity if you donated to make a whole other human. The child should have the right to know. Not in terms of seeking a "father", but hereditary diseases or a history of such that the donor may have not been aware of. This isn't only about the mother/parents and the donor.
@@everlynevins This method of conception definitely cuts children off from relevant genetic medical information, like if they might be a carrier of an genetic disorder, or generally what runs in their family. Yes the man could be quizzed on this information, but he may not be aware of something, or not want that to get in the way of his donation, so he may not be completely honest. Osteoporosis runs in my family and relatively young too, as does Alzheimer's, and autism. Which I know because the immediate and extended family I grew up with are blood relatives. I also know that Huntington's, breast cancer, and many other things don't run in the family. I'm grateful to have that kind of knowledge.
How manipulative of these sick men to try and pin it on how desperate these women were to have a baby. Look, sometimes, god is telling you to do something else with your life (donate your time to charity, give back to your community, get hobbies, care for animals, care for the elderly or disabled). We aren’t all supposed to have nuclear families. It doesn’t even make sense for us to. It’s disgusting these doctors use desperation against them.
I don't think that's the takeaway here... Like yes, that's a social concern, but these couple went for a doctor to get help with something they wanted, no matter what the reason. I wouldn't pin it on them being "froced" to WANT to get pregnant, but their TRUST was abused in a medical system that has prioritized profit over credibility and transparency, efficiency over morals. That is what the doctor abused for his own gratification, not the societal family norms and gender expectations. These people went out of their way to have their dreams become true, not just random women around the town dragged in under the threat of shame. We have no way of knowing if these women would have opted out from having children in more allowing cultural contexts, so speculating on them not _really_ wanting it in the first place is a little bit silly. People who want to have children aren't in the wrong for seeking help with fertility, they're having a medical concern. It's not just them feeling pressured by society into something they for some cosmic reason aren't "supposed to" want. You're coming from a benevolent place, but please don't tell people who are struggling with their well-reflected on dream of having biological children that they're going against what God wants from them. Women shouldn't be made to feel inferior for struggling with fertility or not wanting to become mother for whatever reason even if they are physically able to, but neither should couples be blamed for seeking help when they're having troubles with conceiving when they really want to get pregnant. Again, nobody should feel pressured into wanting children, that's a social issue. I don't believe in fertility struggles being the sign from God to give up on family dreams. That should come down to one's inner calling and informed will. That's how God calls upon people; there's nothing wrong with medicine to overcome medical and physiological restraints. Medicine - like all progress of culture - is God's gift too.
@@dadaguiar Well, yeah, but that has nothing to do with whether or not they _should_ want to have kids. People are okay for seeking help with getting pregnant. The motivation for doing so is a whole another issue. Obviously the medical system shouldn't play into those societal pressures or enforce guilt to fuel their business (the american one especially, as notorious as it is for just that). But it's not as if people would stop getting treatment when they want kids if they knew they are free to not have kids. There will be people who want to have kids, they aren't just culturally manipulated into feeling so.
my mom always jokes that i should never date people from a certain city because they might be my cousin (i literally have 60+ 1st and 2nd cousins just on her side, my family is massive) and this man singlehandedly polluted the genepool in a 25 mile radius for at least 3 generations. absolutely digusting and deranged.
A good man doesn’t violate women with his own sperm. This is disgusting and we as women should have a right to decide what’s okay and what’s not when it comes to sperm donation. He’s not a sperm donor and these women had no clue what he was doing. That is borderline SA in my opinion. The fact he lied about it proves his guilt. He knows it’s wrong! He should be in jail for it.
Weirdly knew this case from reading about it, had no idea there was a netflix documentary, and now a fantastic and thorough video from the lovely Petal Palmer!
As always great show, Petal But I am amazed how this man got away with this. You explained it wonderfully but I think he should have been put in jail. Thank you again for a wonderful job. ❤
Thank you so much for your content, the research you do is amazing, keep up the good work. I always look forward to your uploads as an ex nurse I find it very insightful. Thank you and loads of love ❤️
This case infuriates and sickens me. These people aren't even going to care how violated and hurt these families and their children were. This wasn't okay.
Petal, in answer to your questions: IMO, donors should never be anonymous and they should never be a woman’s doctor. Donors must submit to extensive genetic screening. Donors have no parental entitlement or obligation. And the children conceived through donation can never expect parental relationships or obligation, financial of otherwise. No one should ever be put in a situation like this! We need Federal laws & regulations ASAP!
That's quite unfair for the children, they never consented to be born from a 'donor' and thus never were involved in any such contract of relationships.
The donor is in fact the kid's dad. If a woman has a one night stand and gets pregnant, even if she doesn't know who she slept with, that man is still considered to be the kid's father. But for some reason when a man donates to a sperm bank, and a woman then conceive with his sperm, and doesn't know who he is, we are in denial that he's the child's father. We say he's just a sperm donor, like your sperm helping to convince a child doesn't by definition make you a father. When a man donates sperm, he is in fact signing up to be a dad.
@@FronteirWolf Oh I agree, but I think that's the commericalization of baby-making as a whole-where children are seen as more commodities and whether they're brought into a stable and healthy environment with their emotional and physical well-being is not a priority.
@@FronteirWolfexactly. A child is born with the right to know and be involved with both its biological mother and biological father. Any other arrangement is hurtful to the child, NOT consented to by the child, and chosen due to the parent(s) prioritizing their own happiness over the child’s well being. I don’t believe going to the sperm bank to be ethical or ideal for the conceived child. Any child who is a result of sperm donation will probably want to know about their paternity, and they have a right to. The very innate desire to know that speaks to how wrong the arrangement is to begin with.
I watched this documentary and one of the siblings mentioned they could end up in a situation where they are unknowingly dating their half sibling. Or walking past them on the street everyday and either way, they would have no clue.
I know this case but you covering it was still a better watch than the drooped poor documentary that Netflix did. I didn't watch it because of the people critising it when it launched so I decided to wait for my crime youtubers to speak on this which they did and then the amazing petal uploaded it. ❤Your telling of the case and also adding two other doctors doing so as well was very interesting and it is true I call this sexual assult in medical case and rape.
Right? These are just as (if not more) interesting/tragic as true crime. I’d definitely love to see more coverage on medical malpractice, may lead to more change like true crime did :)
I'm not sure if you've talked about it already, but I'd love to see a video on Ryan Saunder's case (Queensland, Australia) & the way it changed public hospital protocol!
boss makes a dollar, i make a dime, so i watch petal palmer on company time. for real though, you turn working in the fitting room from agonizing to slightly less agonizing, so thank you for that ❤
A harsher sentence would have been more appropriate for Cline, considering the irreparable damage done. As for the siblings that threatened to cut Jacoba off over her continuing to speak about those issues, they were never family to her to begin with then. There's plenty of other siblings out there for her that are TRUE siblings to her. They can disagree with her all they want. That is okay. What they could have done to better address it would be to simply tune out any content involving Cline that especially includes her public affairs relating to the case, you know, by avoiding the news entirely, whether it be via TV or online sources and heck. Even social media. And with Jacoba, she has the right to simply not discuss anything with them regarding her public affairs regarding the case to them considering it makes them that uncomfortable. That would be out of consideration on her part. Her reasons for continuing to discuss it publicly are pure as far as I'm concerned. If it was solely to enrich herself, that would be more understandable. But this was definitely not entirely about enriching herself.
Have there been any of Cline's children that found out they were unknowingly married to their half-sibling? With the possibility that there might be more of his progeny out there than we know of, there might be. IDK, just curious, I guess.
Ooh.. Topical. With all going on in the US, some fear IVF is going to get regulated in ways that make it near impossible to use successfully. I do hope that those who want children will be able to access the services they need.
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Genuinely wish he'd be sued for not paying billions of worth of alimony for all those children...
Facts
You got a good point, like if it’s legal they should sue for back owed child support
i think it doesn't matter because he's not the father on the birth certificate
90% sure when you get medically inseminated you sign a contract releasing the bio father of those responsibilities
@@mikeycallihan3551 still, there was malpractice involved, I'm not sure if the contract would even be applicable if we consider the doctor didn't follow his guidelines either... though I'm no lawyer
This is so disgusting because not only was he violating women, but also leaving an INCREDIBLY HIGH CHANCE of incest. Those children will grow up and likey form connections with eachother, since they are from the same community. Maybe they will have a family of their own, without knowing they're siblings 🤢
So many people seem to never be able to grasp this fact. I’ve seen multiple people say “what’s the big deal” concerning what happened in the documentary “The Man with 1000 Kids”? It’s incredibly dangerous to have a bunch of people unknowingly walking around with 100s of half siblings.
So true. This is why we need, as best as possible, records of both parents.
That was completely intentional. He is a deranged pervert and his actions were sexually motivated.
At the very least for the next generation the families will have to get DNA tested if they are both donor kids
@@madlie2452 did you not watch the video before you said this? she addresses it in the video, anyone who watched it would grasp that fact
We need a federal law against medical fraud regardless of the specialty.
Uh, we do have federal law against many different types of "medical fraud"....
@@isabellaunsolved8844
Exactly.
@@isabellaunsolved8844from what I’ve seen, those laws are primarily written concerning money and not what this case is about. But IANAL
It's a minor concern in this whole fucked up case, but it seems kinda crazy to me that they used to just use random medical students and residents as donors.
right, that's insane. i'm assuming that's one of the big reasons why people were against IVF at the time
imagine going to school / work and being handed a cup and a magazine like "alright Jimmy, you're up. time to make the babies!" it's freaking WILD
@@jourdyngromanRight, and imagine finding out your dad was 22. Crazy work.
Yeah as someone who exists because of it, the fertility industry is hella unregulated lol.
Well they are broke and intelligent better that than the local drunk
This reminds me of the Octomom situation, where she had an addiction to going through rounds of IVF and her doctor not only enabled it and gave her several back-to-back IVF pregnancies, but lied to her about the number of viable eggs in her body at the time causing her to have an octuplet pregnancy in the first place. I would love to see you cover that one, especially with all the social context and controversy surrounding her at the height of her popularity.
I don't know if addiction is the correct term... Addiction requires compulsory behavior, offen despite physical or psychological harm, and I don't believe it was compulsive. I was a bit young at the time, but I don't recall any mention of an addiction to IVF. It seems she was ill-informed by her provider and didn't want to leave potentially viable embryos frozen due to personal beliefs, and her doctor did new rounds of IVF each time instead of using the frozen embryos. I can't recall all the details, but Mama Doctor Jones did a very comprehensive breakdown of the incident. I'd recommend it... Might rewatch it after this. I can't say it made Suleman an empathetic mother, but it did have me reexamining my biases and reproachful stance I've held since the 2000s. And that's neat.
@Prizzlesticks there are rules in place for how many u can transfer and he broke that rule
@@PrizzlesticksShe should not be doing IVF then if she has “personal beliefs” about the embryos. 🤨 Regardless the doctor is 100% the one in the wrong.
@@asmrtpop2676 I'm not religious, but saying someone who is shouldn't have access to IVF is fucking stupid. Just as stupid as some crusty old white guys trying to ban abortion access because of their alleged personal beliefs.
Like it or not, a lot of people who go through IVF do worry about the frozen embryos. I don't know what to tell you, become a crusty old politician if you want to make discriminatory laws blocking their access. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@danielleburke87 Indeed. Which is why Kamrava had his license revoked. Thankfully.
Babe, wake up. New Petal Palmer just dropped.
Y'all forgot to wake me!! 😢
😭literally told my boyfriend this as soon as i saw
Thanks babe, I almost missed it
This comment exists on every video on TH-cam.
Thanks babe (I’m late but we’re gonna ignore that)
I think that sperm donors SHOULD be allowed to be anonymous as far as what the families can learn, but must provide information to medical professionals and potential the police if relevant and must include medical information available to the family and presented upfront.
There are so many improvements in the policies if donor sperm and egg banks. There is a law now that a donor can't be used after 25 live births. It's also left for the donors to choose to be anonymous or not. If it's an Id donor, the offspring gets info for donors after they reach 18yrs. Still have crooks like this don cline operating.
The only reason why I think it shouldn't be anonymous is bc in the day 12 kids spread out over a decade that's a lot of missing medical history for one parent bc a lot can change for a person so a one time medical history is faulty I feel like choosing to become a donor is similar to choosing to give up a baby too adoption you gotta accept theres a good chance one of those kids might find you
There is a book written about exactly the same story. Shock by Dean Koontz. I thought it was fiction. Now I know it is happening 😮
There is a brazilian doctor called Roger Abdelmassih who also did very disturbing things during fertilization treatments! If you need help with translation i can totally do it free of charge your channel is amazing
that's so sweet of you
@@xx-bu1hxpetal should definitely take up this offer. Just red up on it, atrocious
why do you sound happy about that? like your excited about that, shame on you
@@xx-bu1hxthank you🥰🥰
This would be awesome!
A master race ......all with rheumatoid arthritis
Right?!?!?! and possible inbreeding!
LMFAO
It's weird that she inserted white supremacy in there. Super weird. F
Quiverfull just means being open to having a lot of kids in a marriage if that's what you en's up with. Lots of people feel that way. All colors of people .
Who gave her this weird info?
😂😂😂
And accidental inbreeding
This one gives me chills. Man finds a way to exploit 97 or so mothers.
One caught but I wonder how many others have done such. 😢
Historically, Many. It is not uncommon in the field until the last few decades.
DNA gonna mean that long dusty secrets will be revealed. Man never thought get caught…
Men shouldn’t be allowed to do gynecology or to be close to women in that context. Unpopular opinion but true!
there is a very similar case in the netherlands
It’s unfortunately common. And it’s pervasive and a public health risk since so many more people decide to have children through infertility treatments.
I wish the prosecutors would've brought rape charges with perjury and obstruction charges. At least to have it reported that he was charged even if the court dismissed it. He raped those women by proxy and there's no reason to continue doing this and lying about it if he actually had good intentions. This man and anyone else who did what he did should be in jail until their spot in hell is ready.
Thank you - this was literally my first thought and it gets overlooked maybe (not necessarily) from a male perspective that it is, in its essence, r*pe! None of those women consented to being impregnated by him or anyone else 😢
I feel so bad for Jacoba, she went through so much to learn about all of her siblings and to try and bring that vile man to justice, just for it to fall flat and them to not speak to her because she wanted to speak out against all of this, i'll never understand why they didnt speak out with her more to help any other people this could ever/will ever effect
@taiya001 they might just not want to put their mother's through that. In the end it was the mother's that were harmed and most of them would just be learning what happened to them. The mother's were the ones who were victims of the crime so they'd be the ones forced to testify. It really wouldn't be fair to force them to process how they'd been violated so quickly and in the public eye like that
Tbh I understand why they didn't want the notoriety though. I can't blame them for desiring privacy
And that’s just people we know of, remember: back then people hid the fact that they were getting sperm donated, so there’s probably even more, especially considering that he would only admit to “donating” within parameters of discovered numbers.
Plus many people did not tell the children the truth about their IVF birth.
@@ereristark425 this here
This isnt ivf, it's artificial insemination
I live in Indiana, not too far away from where all this took place. The idea that I could run-into, or already know any of the people affected by this case is chilling.
This is the thing that kills me about these giant sibling pods. So many of these people had no idea and have been taken advantage of in the worst way.
they may even commit incest unknowingly if they don't know that they are half siblings. That is so sick that he did not foresee that but he probably doesn't care and just want to do his experiment. He definitely deserves to be locked up for deceiving the parents and the kids.
He probably freaked out when he saw how ancestry DNA tech was developing
That’s a good point
The doctor probably thought one of 2 things
1)he didn't care about his children procreating with eachother
2)he figured by the time any if his descendants met up and had kids, the threat of complications from incest would be minimal, at best.
Example, people who are 5th cousins are less likely, but not immune to, have kids that have complications because the blood relationship is more distant and diluted because their common ancestors were their great-great-great-great
grandparents.
But, what he did pretty much increased the chances that if his kids don't meet up and have kids, his grandchildren or great grandchild may. If I were his kid, I may try to get ahold of all my siblings, 1st, and 2nd cousins together so we can know eachother and avoid accidental incest. If I couldn't, I'd be DNA testing everyone I was dating to be sure we weren't related. Same with any kids I'd have when they started dating.
@@jagirl966also it is important for note that if there weren’t any incest cases already present, usually complication won’t occur as often the first case of incest. However, if a child brown of a first case of incest continues the cycle unknowingly, that’s usually where issues will become more noticeable and be more harmful. I could be wrong so correct me if I am. But I agree with what you said about the poor grandchildren.
@@kawaiicake8038 not meaning to sound rude or crass, but look what happened with the Habsburg family. The doctor and other like him could cause that if their children had no way of knowing they were related.
Like the case of twins who were separated at birth, met and got married. Only when they were trying to have kids was it revealed they were siblings. They divorced or got an annulment. There was even a case where a man met and fell in love with a woman who turned out to be his biological daughter. In a disgusting twist, he was okay with sleeping with his own daughter. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
There is also a new documentary on Netflix fertility related with a guy from my country (the Netherlands) who has at least 300+ kids. So crazy .
Yes the huge hands dude! He really thought his kids wouldn't inherit those huge grippers and nobody would notice 😂
*YES* another *MASTERPIECE* by the *beautiful* & *talented* Ms. *Petal* we *love* you!🌷
I remember this but coming from ☆PETAL we'll get the BEST report/facts. This guy is disgusting...
As someone who just went through a round of IVF, this is legit terrifying. It failed, unfortunately, but nonetheless a situation like this was always in the back of my mind.
I hope your journey sees you well!
Good luck and if it doesn't work think about adopting, there is more then one way to become a parent .
@@sarahudson108 my husband is adopted so we are very aware of that process. We just want to try this way first.
@@pocketsizeforyourtravelcon3325 It is always worth trying, I had two cycles , before I had a healthy daughter, We would have tried one more time before applying to adopt . However you start a family it is a joy and blessing.
half way through the video, and i just want to give angela all her flowers for her efforts into making sure these victims voices were heard 👏
I wonder why the prosecutor didn't think of medical malpractice for this case. Shouldn't this be a malpractice?
Also, I wonder if they could have made a case for it being a public health concern. He has the medical background to know that inbreeding is at a greater chance, the more half sibling that is out there.
Apparently it wasn’t malpractice
Malpractice is a very specific thing legally. This is unethical but malpractice means a doctor didn’t do the right medical procedures. He didn’t do anything medically wrong, such as removing the wrong kidney or unnecessarily performing a hysterectomy. He did the wrong thing morally but not medically.
@@elyse443 "Removing wrong kidney". Wouldn't this be inserting wrong semen sample?
@@Illumnia548 no bc technically there was no "correct" semen sample
Petal you are incredible at your presentation of facts. I cannot help but click on your new videos! Please continue this fantastic work.
I am a young 17 year old girl myself with rheumatoid arthritis and this sickens me. Even as a young women I want to be a mother one day and the thought I can risk giving my future children and future family members down the line with my autoimmune disease has always worried me as a 7 year old and even still now that I am 17. The fact this doctor did not only violate these women but pass on the risk of a very painful disease or health risks is disgusting. I would 10000% consider this the r word. And that should’ve been considered a crime then too.
I watched a bit of a netflix documentary about this case a long time ago. what he did was absolutely vile. I wasn't able to finish the documentary because I was so disturbed.
I think sperm donars should be able to be semi-anonomous. Like they should be anonymous but with records kept and middle men to foster any necessary communication
No offense to any male physicians here, but as a woman, I choose female doctors whenever I'm given the chance. I especially insist when it comes to more intimate care such as OBGYN and GI. Statistically I'm also just better off with a female doctor when it comes to outcomes.
Again, no offense, but some men just need to be better. Like, the fact that morgues prefer to hire female staff should freak more people out. Men need to be held more accountable by their coworkers.
Now if it came to me having cancer or something and a certain male specialist was the obvious choice, I would consider it. However for "normal" stuff, I'm picking a woman every single time.
I have a friend whose two year old daughter had fused labia and had to see an OBGYN as a result. The male doctor walked in, didn't wash his hands, and immediately put his hands on her genitals without warning. 😒 Unbelievable disregard for the patient and her mother who watched this unfold in horror. Not to mention the several cases where women have been assaulted by their male OBGYNs.
Horrifying shit.
1000000% agree with all of this!
Funny, as a female, if given the choice, I choose a male physician/medical professional every time. In fact, I've insisted on male physicians over a female physician.
I don't need/want emotional thinking or reasoning playing a part in my medical care, and bedside manner just happens to be very unimportant to me regarding medical professionals.
And yes... that's a dig against female professionals....
@@isabellaunsolved8844 Better to be a female professional with "emotional thinking" than a female like you, who apparently does no thinking whatsoever.
@@isabellaunsolved8844 interesting, choice as you are literally less likely to be killed by a female physician whether you're male or female. 🙄 Not all of us have had wonderful experiences with male physicians. Many of us have been brushed off or told "it's your period" casually instead of having causes thoroughly investigated. Female doctors are also more likely to believe your pain and take it seriously.
You do you, boo, but statistically you're safer with a female doctor.
@@isabellaunsolved8844in the convos i’ve had with men, they are all more emotional than us. I’d rather have someone who has felt the same pains as me. not some mane that thinks they know better
I am really enjoying your "storytelling" abilities. I follow a ton on here and you are really calm cool and collected. You don't abruptly cackle or scream or talk quickly. Great job and I'm subscribed
I also appreciate Petal Palmers vocals & style 🤗 She covers such emotional situations, I don’t need someone trying to rile me up, too!
This is beyond sick!!!!!!!
My bf was a sperms donor. He was actually expecting a kid from a donation when we got together. Asked if it would be a problem. I told him nope. We get photos of the kids sometimes. Parents are great. He has a repour with them before hand and it hasn't changed.
I love how mindful you are of victims. Appreciate the due diligence!
okay so, there is a form of breedin kink/fetish, where men want to impregnate as many wemen as they can and i feel like this is that at the extreme end. i know its impossible for them to prove that he has this fetish but if they could, he couldv gotten 90+ rape charges. :(
And he should receive those charges once the proof is available, if the impossible becomes possible that is. What a demonic figure he is.
Whitewashing a child's passing is disgusting.
That was the most strange part of this entire story. There’s no reason to do that. Unfortunately fertility fraud is not uncommon, but whitewashing is just so weird in this scenario. Especially considering the actual family was affected with it. It’s disrespectful
That was the most strange part of this entire story. There’s no reason to do that. Unfortunately fertility fraud is not uncommon, but whitewashing is just so weird in this scenario. Especially considering the actual family was affected with it. It’s disrespectful
51:01 I always find it “interesting” when prosecutors say “oh the JURORS will never care about this.” Like, sir, isn’t it your job to MAKE them care? Seems a little early to throw in the towel if this is something you really care about
There is an opportunity cost to pursue the case. You’re digging up trauma for the victims and passing up an opportunity to pursue another case because unfortunately there are way too many cases and a limited amount of legal resources. That’s why prosecutors care so much if a case is “winnable” or if it’s too much of a long shot.
If prosecutors had unlimited time and resources then yes, every case would be worth pursuing, but that’s not the case. It’s an unfortunate reality that there are so many crimes and not enough legal resources to punish them.
I think there was an SVU episode based on this case aswell, very interesting to hear the real story, love all your videos keep up the amazing work🙏
Yesss I thought of that straight away too
Wasn’t it John stamos and he had like hundreds of kids lol
@@michelle1291yes I watched that episode just a few days ago lol
Petal! I'm so glad your channel is blowing up, you are a breath of fresh air in the true crime space that is full of disrespect and rehashing of the same cases over and over again. You're thorough, your voice is calming, and you seem like such a kind person. I hope to see you hit 1 million soon!
There have actually been several of these male fertility doctors who have a “donor program” that later turns out to be just them.
Found your channel a couple days ago Petal. Love love love your content. Appreciate how thorough you are covering these cases, and bringing much needed attention to the injustices that so many people have endured, especially those of marginalized communities. Thank you!!
I Think this happend way more than we realise. In the Netherlands we had a couple of the same cases.
Thank You, Petal Palmer🌼You bring so much history and context to these medical stories & do them great justice!
Wish you had these as a podcast as well so I can listen while falling asleep. Love your voice and you present the cases so clearly and concisely.
Since Spotify took Parcast to bits I’ve been looking for a new podcaster to follow.
I’ll be playing your videos at night for now, while I drop off to sleep 👍🏻 thanks for making content
Oooo! What a good idea! I could definitely see her doing that in the future :) I think she’s just a tad too small rn
@@michelle1291 I know of a lot of TH-camrs who submit just the sound straight from the video, so no extra editing. But it’ll definitely be more work, and I personally have no clue how much. Thankfully I have a second phone that I can use for yt podcast type things 👍🏻
wait, who the hell builds stigma against infertile people.... *checks notes*.... for wanting a damn baby?!?!? people will hate on ANNNNNYYYTHIIIINNNGGGG, and its so weird cuz they get mad if you dont want to have kids either.
It's so disappointing when Christian men turn out to be dishonest like that. I'm a Christian, but the way he talked to the Jewish lady was wrong.
Never surprised when religious people of any sort have bad qualities, especially ones they can “repent” away every time it becomes an issue for them. It’s a crutch and an excuse, but go off.
I feel really bad for a lot of Christian people, because a whole bunch of you guys are very kind and decent but then theres just real weirdos like this guy who spoil a lot of people's opinions of you guys :(
What is with people, especially doctors, getting into college on a sports scholarship, losing that scholarship for whatever reason, then going on to commit the most unbelievable crimes? Why does it just seem to Keep. Happening?
if you have to beg, "wait no, don't tell people about my actions- they'll look at me differently," you're the one that's in the wrong.
if you want to be spoken about well, do good to the people around you. if you don't want to be spoken about negatively, don't do things that are worth speaking out about. if you do something that heinous and lie about it for decades, that's definitely worth talking about
Excellent coverage, and I appreciate you focusing on facts and pointing out discrepancies and how other sources may have covered things. Love your videos, you're a star 🌟
Love the new background! Anyway, the possibility of siblings accidentally dating and procreating should be federally prohibited.
Petal I appreciate how you cover these cases really respectfully while still sharing your opinion
Hearing that there were more than 50 FUCKING SIBLINGS was insane to me
Edit: 90 FUCKING 4?!
PLEASE, lovely Petal, make a video about two czech boys, one who ended up in coma (and died last week) and another one who ended up in awaken coma with damaged brain, both because of bad operation of tonsils and even WORSE behavior of staff of the hospital.
The one who is still alive - Adam Vycital and the hospital was in Pardubice. It was in 2017. There is even a footage from a cctv where the poor mother is running with the boy in her hands and tries to find a help - one doctor just passes her by, not even ask her if she needs something, then a nurse appears but she is not able to help.
The one who died - His name was Matej Kocian and the hospital he was in was in Brno. I think the operation was in 2010. He lived for 14 years.
Both incidents are tragic and people should know about this. I ADORE your videos and I think you are the right person who could talk about it. If you would need any help with translation, I can help. Sending hugs and thanks for your videos, Kat
Wow that sounds like a horrible situation for those kids and their mother. 😢
just discovered your channel today! this video is so well put together and i absolutely love your voice as well!
Whoo! A new Petal vid 😅. I'm saving this for the gym tomorrow
Your videos have evolved so much and i LOVE seeing you grow! You just keep getting better and better! I hope you're doing well Petal
@ the follow up question at the end:
I think sperm donors should be allowed to choose if they want to be anonymous. And the person receiving the treatment should be allowed to choose if they want to know or not.
And then they can be matched up according, just as they do with everything else!
This case is absolutely WILD
What if the kid wants to know? he or she wasn't in on the agreement about not knowing the father's identity. It's not the mother's looking for the information on the dad, it's the kid.
You cannot choose anonymity if you donated to make a whole other human. The child should have the right to know. Not in terms of seeking a "father", but hereditary diseases or a history of such that the donor may have not been aware of. This isn't only about the mother/parents and the donor.
@@everlynevins This method of conception definitely cuts children off from relevant genetic medical information, like if they might be a carrier of an genetic disorder, or generally what runs in their family. Yes the man could be quizzed on this information, but he may not be aware of something, or not want that to get in the way of his donation, so he may not be completely honest.
Osteoporosis runs in my family and relatively young too, as does Alzheimer's, and autism. Which I know because the immediate and extended family I grew up with are blood relatives.
I also know that Huntington's, breast cancer, and many other things don't run in the family.
I'm grateful to have that kind of knowledge.
How manipulative of these sick men to try and pin it on how desperate these women were to have a baby. Look, sometimes, god is telling you to do something else with your life (donate your time to charity, give back to your community, get hobbies, care for animals, care for the elderly or disabled). We aren’t all supposed to have nuclear families. It doesn’t even make sense for us to. It’s disgusting these doctors use desperation against them.
for a lot of these people their religion socializes them to have children as well.
I don't think that's the takeaway here... Like yes, that's a social concern, but these couple went for a doctor to get help with something they wanted, no matter what the reason. I wouldn't pin it on them being "froced" to WANT to get pregnant, but their TRUST was abused in a medical system that has prioritized profit over credibility and transparency, efficiency over morals. That is what the doctor abused for his own gratification, not the societal family norms and gender expectations. These people went out of their way to have their dreams become true, not just random women around the town dragged in under the threat of shame. We have no way of knowing if these women would have opted out from having children in more allowing cultural contexts, so speculating on them not _really_ wanting it in the first place is a little bit silly.
People who want to have children aren't in the wrong for seeking help with fertility, they're having a medical concern. It's not just them feeling pressured by society into something they for some cosmic reason aren't "supposed to" want. You're coming from a benevolent place, but please don't tell people who are struggling with their well-reflected on dream of having biological children that they're going against what God wants from them. Women shouldn't be made to feel inferior for struggling with fertility or not wanting to become mother for whatever reason even if they are physically able to, but neither should couples be blamed for seeking help when they're having troubles with conceiving when they really want to get pregnant. Again, nobody should feel pressured into wanting children, that's a social issue. I don't believe in fertility struggles being the sign from God to give up on family dreams. That should come down to one's inner calling and informed will. That's how God calls upon people; there's nothing wrong with medicine to overcome medical and physiological restraints. Medicine - like all progress of culture - is God's gift too.
@@dadaguiar Well, yeah, but that has nothing to do with whether or not they _should_ want to have kids. People are okay for seeking help with getting pregnant. The motivation for doing so is a whole another issue. Obviously the medical system shouldn't play into those societal pressures or enforce guilt to fuel their business (the american one especially, as notorious as it is for just that). But it's not as if people would stop getting treatment when they want kids if they knew they are free to not have kids. There will be people who want to have kids, they aren't just culturally manipulated into feeling so.
Damn - this took a very, very-long time to litigate.
too long!
The parents should all start asking for child support until he goes bankrupt.
Unfortunately you can't get child support after the kid turns 18. In the US
my mom always jokes that i should never date people from a certain city because they might be my cousin (i literally have 60+ 1st and 2nd cousins just on her side, my family is massive) and this man singlehandedly polluted the genepool in a 25 mile radius for at least 3 generations. absolutely digusting and deranged.
A good man doesn’t violate women with his own sperm. This is disgusting and we as women should have a right to decide what’s okay and what’s not when it comes to sperm donation. He’s not a sperm donor and these women had no clue what he was doing. That is borderline SA in my opinion. The fact he lied about it proves his guilt. He knows it’s wrong! He should be in jail for it.
Great episode! Such thorough research! I had heard about this before but not with all the layers you provided. Thank you Petal 😊
Weirdly knew this case from reading about it, had no idea there was a netflix documentary, and now a fantastic and thorough video from the lovely Petal Palmer!
Thank you Petal, I always look forward to watching your podcasts ❤
You are very good at this. One of the best true crime sites.
Thank you for the wonderful content 🙏❤
As always great show, Petal
But I am amazed how this man got away with this. You explained it wonderfully but I think he should have been put in jail. Thank you again for a wonderful job. ❤
I’ve been waiting for you to cover this case, cause holy crap I remember seeing this on Fox59 news and I was actually sick to my stomach
IM SORRY IM LATE BUT... WAKE UP THE QUEEN HAD POSTED✨👑
This is such a well done video! Thanks for shining light on this story.
I love your voice its so soothing!
Thank you so much for your content, the research you do is amazing, keep up the good work. I always look forward to your uploads as an ex nurse I find it very insightful. Thank you and loads of love ❤️
New Petal Palmer !!!!!!!!!!
When’s your next video going to drop?? I need some more Petal videos asap! Love your Channel! Has become one of my top 5!
This case infuriates and sickens me. These people aren't even going to care how violated and hurt these families and their children were. This wasn't okay.
just got home from work bless u petal palmer 🙏
Hello Petal! Hope you’re doing great! Sending love from Arizona.
Hi petal, would you ever put your videos on Spotify?
new background looking great love the mix up
Petal, in answer to your questions: IMO, donors should never be anonymous and they should never be a woman’s doctor. Donors must submit to extensive genetic screening. Donors have no parental entitlement or obligation. And the children conceived through donation can never expect parental relationships or obligation, financial of otherwise.
No one should ever be put in a situation like this! We need Federal laws & regulations ASAP!
That's quite unfair for the children, they never consented to be born from a 'donor' and thus never were involved in any such contract of relationships.
The donor is in fact the kid's dad. If a woman has a one night stand and gets pregnant, even if she doesn't know who she slept with, that man is still considered to be the kid's father.
But for some reason when a man donates to a sperm bank, and a woman then conceive with his sperm, and doesn't know who he is, we are in denial that he's the child's father. We say he's just a sperm donor, like your sperm helping to convince a child doesn't by definition make you a father.
When a man donates sperm, he is in fact signing up to be a dad.
@@FronteirWolf Oh I agree, but I think that's the commericalization of baby-making as a whole-where children are seen as more commodities and whether they're brought into a stable and healthy environment with their emotional and physical well-being is not a priority.
@@FronteirWolfexactly. A child is born with the right to know and be involved with both its biological mother and biological father. Any other arrangement is hurtful to the child, NOT consented to by the child, and chosen due to the parent(s) prioritizing their own happiness over the child’s well being.
I don’t believe going to the sperm bank to be ethical or ideal for the conceived child. Any child who is a result of sperm donation will probably want to know about their paternity, and they have a right to. The very innate desire to know that speaks to how wrong the arrangement is to begin with.
Thank you for sharing this information.
Danville Illinois is around 100 miles from downtown Indianapolis. Danville Indiana is about 20 miles from downtown Indianapolis
I watched this documentary and one of the siblings mentioned they could end up in a situation where they are unknowingly dating their half sibling. Or walking past them on the street everyday and either way, they would have no clue.
This is so gross… I feel so bad for these women, and all the children. How do you even begin to cope with something like this?
love this channel
Hi 👋🏼 new here ! im already obsessed with these series had to subscribe !
I know this case but you covering it was still a better watch than the drooped poor documentary that Netflix did. I didn't watch it because of the people critising it when it launched so I decided to wait for my crime youtubers to speak on this which they did and then the amazing petal uploaded it. ❤Your telling of the case and also adding two other doctors doing so as well was very interesting and it is true I call this sexual assult in medical case and rape.
Seriously love your videos ! Haven't found another channel that covers medical malpractice cases like you do !
Right? These are just as (if not more) interesting/tragic as true crime. I’d definitely love to see more coverage on medical malpractice, may lead to more change like true crime did :)
I'm not sure if you've talked about it already, but I'd love to see a video on Ryan Saunder's case (Queensland, Australia) & the way it changed public hospital protocol!
boss makes a dollar, i make a dime, so i watch petal palmer on company time.
for real though, you turn working in the fitting room from agonizing to slightly less agonizing, so thank you for that ❤
A harsher sentence would have been more appropriate for Cline, considering the irreparable damage done.
As for the siblings that threatened to cut Jacoba off over her continuing to speak about those issues, they were never family to her to begin with then. There's plenty of other siblings out there for her that are TRUE siblings to her. They can disagree with her all they want. That is okay. What they could have done to better address it would be to simply tune out any content involving Cline that especially includes her public affairs relating to the case, you know, by avoiding the news entirely, whether it be via TV or online sources and heck. Even social media. And with Jacoba, she has the right to simply not discuss anything with them regarding her public affairs regarding the case to them considering it makes them that uncomfortable. That would be out of consideration on her part.
Her reasons for continuing to discuss it publicly are pure as far as I'm concerned. If it was solely to enrich herself, that would be more understandable. But this was definitely not entirely about enriching herself.
I really enjoy your videos. It is really good content
Have there been any of Cline's children that found out they were unknowingly married to their half-sibling? With the possibility that there might be more of his progeny out there than we know of, there might be. IDK, just curious, I guess.
Watched a documentary on this before. Super interested to watch this video now
That is.. very close to where I live
Same!! Such a weird feeling
Oh my gosh, what a weirdo!!!
I’m so tired of crimes against women just being brushed off
Just sad on so many levels 😢
Your hair looks great!
Ooh.. Topical. With all going on in the US, some fear IVF is going to get regulated in ways that make it near impossible to use successfully. I do hope that those who want children will be able to access the services they need.
i could have sworn you covered this topic already
There’s a few fertility doctors who used their own sperm instead of a donor or the woman’s partner’s sperm and got caught a similar way.
I hate how Netflix doesn’t use accurate information
This story is so sickening…😢