@@absolutely1337 The download almost always comes with simulator software, so it ends up being upwards 7GB. While Xcode itself isn't super large, its download (which is what they were probably referencing) is.
Always innovative here. Thanks for all the hard work on TH-cam. I remember pining in the computer store (Future Shop) wanting a Mac so so bad in the early 2000s… and then around 2006 I got one but fell away. Been back two years and it feels great.
No need to pay MSRP for your first Mac. I bought a Power Mac G4 back in 2005 for $200 to get me started. Even today as a software design pro, I still buy refurbished.
In case anyone was wondering, the version of Quicktime they previewed back in WWDC 2009 was actually "Quicktime X" which was the $30 version of QT. It featured additional features like recording, trimming, and streaming from a URL feed etc. Quicktime X has the nice sexy black icon with blue glow inside.
NOTICE: Before you guys try to request Ken to archive this build... Check the Macintosh Garden, it's already archived there. On a side note, it's always interesting to see a sealed copy of a beta build in action. :)
Snow Leopard was my first Mac OS, I remember watching that video for the first time all excited. They need to bring that back, it adds a little extra magic to the install and upgrade experience.
The first Mac OS I ever use was Mac OS Puma on my moms old IMac G3 Now I have a MacBook 13 inch from early 2009 with intel core 2 duo with snow leopard on it and it works well Btw I’m 19 and I have a iBook G4 with Mac OS X Leopard (10.5.8)
I might be late to this but, what if that connecting to apple screen was going to be a real thing were it would not continue because the beta version is expired unless you changed the date… 🤔
Slightly unrelated but your "digital documents" comment reminded me of an HP server system from around this era that I was tasked to maintain. No paper manuals; it came with a CD labeled "user guides," so you'd figure the disk had copies of all the docs you'd expect to come with a server system. Surely it'd all fit within 650MB. Maddeningly, the only file on the disc was a tiny PDF with a hyperlink that said "For documents, go to HP's website here." These idiots wasted an entire CD on a 500kb file that was just an outdated hyperlink!
Another small thing that i was always intrigued by when i AB tested leopard and snow was that when you went trough spaces with ctrl+arrow, in leopard it was an instant popup that flashed with a static arrow, while in snow the active desktop box move was animated and the arrow ditched. Might try this beta just to find that out
@@ComputerClan I got the iOS 16 beta on the oldest iPhone to support it, the iPhone 8. Battery life is ok but not good. My other iPhone 8 runs slow because of the battery being low on health, but my main iPhone is doing ok.
Man you should try to install Monterey on your 2013 MacBook Pro with OpenCore Legacy Patcher! You're likely not going to have a misadventure this time as long as you don't do sh*t! I have some experience with this patcher, it's a transparent feeling with Metal supported devices, feels like officially supported! Also a 2013 MacBook Pro is a lot more durable than M1 because you don't get a firmware on a soldered SSD (like 2 sh*ts in a single feature)!
Nib files and Zib files are both editable. Zib files are the modern non-binary format which is better for source control. Early XCode versions with the separate interface builder were nice. Not like that bloated monstrosity we have now.
I'd say Tiger and Snow Leopard. Snow was so much better than Leopard, but Tiger is awesome for the older Mac that can't run snow. Its a lot more lightweight and much snappier
Even though I switched with each iteration of MacOS(X) since tiger. On older systems it always felt like snow leopard had the best performance. After the cats MACOS definitely got way better. Still think snow leopard was the best cat release
Signing in with the old MacOS... Apple employee: Some one is trying to connect with our server. Apple Manager: What are their permission code? Apple employee: It's an old code, but it checks out. Apple Manager: ... Ok, permission granted.
What a cool retrospective to do after Dub Dub! Good stuff as usual, and I couldn’t help but laugh as your silly things you said when you were doing the slider thing with your app in Xcode, along with other stuff like taking it back to the a cappella version of the song in the Snow Leopard intro!
I still use Snow Leopard. Why? It was before they ruined iMovie, Final Cut Pro, and iTunes; and limited what you could do with Quicktime. What pissed me off about them ruining iMovie is that they dropped third party plugin support. That sent a lot of cottage developers out of business, and nullified all my effects purchases. iMovie was elegant and powerful. Now? Abysmal. I tried to get used to Final Cut Pro X, but it is also abysmal. If the new Macs are so powerful, then why oh why no Rosetta for my zillions of older apps!? But NO! They will not even license Snow Leopard to go on Virtual Machines! It's like, "forget the software you spent so much money on... your out of luck!" Grrrrr
I live in Korea. This phrase was written using a translator. Can I get a preview version of that developer? What I'm asking is whether it is possible to compress the CD as a DMG file using Disk Utility. I hope I get a positive answer. The reason I need that is simply because I'm unusual and want to use that version. I'm sorry if it's burdensome, but I hope you understand my simplicity.😢
Control-Scroll Wheel! That, and many other useful tricks are on my TikTok! www.tiktok.com/@thecomputerclan/video/7063152958468279599?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1 - have fun! Or TH-cam Shorts channel: thecomputerclan.com/shorts
macOS 10.4 opening theme in first installment that was my favorite but 10.6 was and I used 10.8 and 10.6 since love color icons in finder 10.6 after finding a way to add color icons in 10.8 finder I used it more I forget if 10.8 and toast 10 work used toast and $20 blu-ray burning software for Blu-ray backups after learning about any DVDHD for windows xp with VMware 3/ or 2 was first VMware fusion; it pretty cool/ then I used pavtube on either Mac or pc to turn BD iso files to mkv or mp4 files
Oh well you better buy two of those things because they're so bad damn expensive I'm like what the FU- never mind but seriously I hope you bought two of those
@@ComputerClanI looked it up on Macintosh Garden and yes. there is a developer preview of macos snow leopard but not the same, you have 10A380 and Macitnosh Garden, the build number is 10A354 but if I am right then this is an even earlyer build.
I remember having OS X 10.5 installed on my G4 1.25 MDD and a software up date included an upgrade of Quck time and then it told me it was incompatible with my version of OSX 10.5 so it stuffed up my computer. never again. The Apple event last week was a non plus. They announced iOS 16 and then I saw you could pay for it in three instalments ? Confused I was ?
Hello Computer Clan // Do you know some Browser available to use with Snow Leopard in order to have the OS Installed ? The problem is Snow Leopard is the best Mac OS X System but I cannot use it because there is not any available browser working properly with this system . I have tried many of them and they are not working at all !! Any solution about this please ???? Thanks
I followed your clip for 2 minutes, but what s your intention? I looked for restore the OS X 6. 8. my machine crashed after an update, which was recommended by Apple support, can you help, my imac start with the symbol of the apple and an everlasting "I am working" little clock which did not stop till kill at the main switch back at the left side behind?
Ok Krazy Ken, I've got a Krazy Konundrum for you! Maybe it's an easy answer, but what is the newest hardware you could install both the retail and developer release of Snow Leopard on? I mean, if I really wanted to, I could go all the way back to DOS and Windows 1.0 on my 2021 AMD-based Ryzen system. Could you install Snow Leopard on the last Intel mac?
Are you sure a Ryzen would go well with DOS (MS-DOS, not anything more modern like FreeDOS)? I remember using my 4th gen i3 to prepare an installation of Windows 98 SE and doing that without a VM for whatever reason - it ran like a nightmare, you could mostly only navigate stuff if you knew what the mess on the screen was resembling by memory (or from a user manual printout :p)
hey there is something i saw in a add called zilkee, it something that could connect 3 hard drives to get back your data when your hard drive fails. and could support 6tb of stoarage???? strange so im curious to know if its a scam and review it on your videos
Enjoy the new episode! I have 2 deleted scenes from this one on my Patreon, BTW. 👀
YOU HAVE AN APPLE 1 ?????!!!!?!
Does this version support PowerPC? The early ones did I believe.
There's this thing called guardio, it might be fishy
hey dude what's happening with the new podcast you talked about on No Cameras Allowed? are things going fricksticks?
To me, it’s amazing that Xcode is larger than macOS itself.
Umm no? OS X is 7.99gb vs 157.5mb lol
@@absolutely1337 The download almost always comes with simulator software, so it ends up being upwards 7GB. While Xcode itself isn't super large, its download (which is what they were probably referencing) is.
Pretty sure it still is lol
Everybody: Talking about macOS Ventura Developer Beta
Ken: Talking about macOS Snow Leopard Developer Beta
I love the videos, Ken!
Thanks : D
What’s next? He’s gonna talk about the Yosemite Developer Beta?
@@_eesports I mean to be fair, I did talk about Ventura earlier last week. And I do have an older video about Yosemite too : D
skeuo chad
flat virgin
@@ComputerClan Ken’s quest to cover all things macOS.
I could be wrong but I think a developer preview snow leopard also works with PowerPC for some developers preview builds
Older ones, yes, but not this one.
Yeah. I believe some people made a good builds out of it for PPC.
If I were hearing that disk crunch and I had no idea how that drive worked, I would have had a heart attack.
The first time I slid a disk into my 2010 MacBook Pro I thought I broke the disk
The nostalgia is intense here. Snow Leopard still feels like a modern OS. Tech was so much fun back then, everything still felt like an event.
Always innovative here. Thanks for all the hard work on TH-cam. I remember pining in the computer store (Future Shop) wanting a Mac so so bad in the early 2000s… and then around 2006 I got one but fell away. Been back two years and it feels great.
Ok lol
No need to pay MSRP for your first Mac.
I bought a Power Mac G4 back in 2005 for $200 to get me started. Even today as a software design pro, I still buy refurbished.
In case anyone was wondering, the version of Quicktime they previewed back in WWDC 2009 was actually "Quicktime X" which was the $30 version of QT. It featured additional features like recording, trimming, and streaming from a URL feed etc. Quicktime X has the nice sexy black icon with blue glow inside.
One, two, three, four, five? That's amazing! I've got the same combination on my luggage!
That space nebula will forever be my favorite nostalgic classic Apple aesthetic
I would love to see you cover the server version. There's not nearly as much Mac server content out there, especially for betas.
You mean Mac OS X server 10.6.8?
NOTICE: Before you guys try to request Ken to archive this build... Check the Macintosh Garden, it's already archived there.
On a side note, it's always interesting to see a sealed copy of a beta build in action. :)
Thanks Krazy Ken, I’ve been waiting all week. Snow leopard is my favorite version, sadly my old Mac was stolen by thief so I can’t boot it up anymore
I think Snow Leopard was the best version o mac OSX they released ever
I never really thought that it makes sense to have CDs as OS previews for devs years ago...
Snow Leopard was my first Mac OS, I remember watching that video for the first time all excited. They need to bring that back, it adds a little extra magic to the install and upgrade experience.
The first Mac OS I ever use was Mac OS Puma on my moms old IMac G3
Now I have a MacBook 13 inch from early 2009 with intel core 2 duo with snow leopard on it and it works well
Btw I’m 19 and I have a iBook G4 with Mac OS X Leopard (10.5.8)
@@RaysGamingChannel2003 I use the late 2007 13' daily, my first macos was tiger on a G5
The last Mac OS release ever on physical media, and in my mind - still the best Mac OS release ever.
I'm going to be pedantic and say no, it wasn't. Lion was still purchasable on physical media-it just wasn't optical media. ; )
@@ComputerClan touché and it was a really cool usb drive too
@@RoastBeefSandwich Indeed it was!
Fun fact: If you take a look through Finder, you can change the icons look like this if you have Leopard - Lion
What I love from snow leopard - intro video with music.
And it looks as anexciting today as it was back in the day. Thank you for bringing memory back.
My pleasure : D
I had a later dev version of Snow Leopard back then on my MBP and it was one of the fastest macOS versions I ever had.
I might be late to this but, what if that connecting to apple screen was going to be a real thing were it would not continue because the beta version is expired unless you changed the date… 🤔
Slightly unrelated but your "digital documents" comment reminded me of an HP server system from around this era that I was tasked to maintain. No paper manuals; it came with a CD labeled "user guides," so you'd figure the disk had copies of all the docs you'd expect to come with a server system. Surely it'd all fit within 650MB. Maddeningly, the only file on the disc was a tiny PDF with a hyperlink that said "For documents, go to HP's website here." These idiots wasted an entire CD on a 500kb file that was just an outdated hyperlink!
“DSMOS has arrived!”
Yeah, Ken. Us who hackintosh have to deal with this everyday.
7:28 I was wondering on what that meant. Thanks for that tidbit
i love the space theme of the dvd
Ken: “I will forget this program”
Me: “But internet won’t”
Internet: “ I will remember this forever”
Ken: “Oh sh*t I forgot you were still a thing”
“The duck may swim on the lake, but my daddy owns the lake”
What does that have to do with this episode?? I mean, I love that line, but I'm corn-fused, haha.
@@ComputerClan I thought you’d type it out as a test, as usual. I was wrong, however it’s forever associated with CC in my mind. :)
The Snow Leopard disc is a classy classic.
Loved Snow Leopard. It was so stable.
thanks for the birthday video!
All part of the plan >:)
Lol
if you dont know the intro song its exodus honey by honeycut
Snow leopard was my salvation after MacOS vista, aka leopard. I was first in line ar the authorized reseller to get my copy when it launched
Another small thing that i was always intrigued by when i AB tested leopard and snow was that when you went trough spaces with ctrl+arrow, in leopard it was an instant popup that flashed with a static arrow, while in snow the active desktop box move was animated and the arrow ditched. Might try this beta just to find that out
Oh yeah! I remember that, too. I haven't tested it in my beta install yet.
ETA on that revolutionary new app "Krazy Ken Dumb Test"? Looks promising for my very niche use case! 🤣
Great episode, BTW! Really enjoyed it!!
Thanks!
I kinda wish I had an old version of Xcode since I'd like to run some Linux software on my old Mac
Try Macintosh Garden : )
@@ComputerClan thanks man.
Lets Gooo Krazy Ken You Can Do It!
Ken: blue screen in Windows is bad..
Windows XP with the retro logon screen has blue background:
shut up.
Last day of school I need this video to survive my last day as a sophomore
Strange your still in school
2:10 whoa it came with xcode??? thats crazy.....only devs will understand...
I still mess with old mac versions from tiome to time and I managed to find my snow leapard disc.
Pre release software is fun
Indeed >:)
@@ComputerClan I got the iOS 16 beta on the oldest iPhone to support it, the iPhone 8. Battery life is ok but not good. My other iPhone 8 runs slow because of the battery being low on health, but my main iPhone is doing ok.
Man you should try to install Monterey on your 2013 MacBook Pro with OpenCore Legacy Patcher! You're likely not going to have a misadventure this time as long as you don't do sh*t!
I have some experience with this patcher, it's a transparent feeling with Metal supported devices, feels like officially supported!
Also a 2013 MacBook Pro is a lot more durable than M1 because you don't get a firmware on a soldered SSD (like 2 sh*ts in a single feature)!
There’s also a Dev version of Snow Leopard that supports PPC 🙂
Nib files and Zib files are both editable. Zib files are the modern non-binary format which is better for source control.
Early XCode versions with the separate interface builder were nice. Not like that bloated monstrosity we have now.
make me want to dig out my 2009 imac and put a new hard drive in and install snow leopard, just for fun
Best verion of OS X - As soon as I saw Snow Leopard I had to click on your video
Snow Leopard was the bomb.
I really wanna see Leopard Developer Preview 9a466
Leopard and snow Leoapard are the best version of MacOS
I'd say Tiger and Snow Leopard. Snow was so much better than Leopard, but Tiger is awesome for the older Mac that can't run snow. Its a lot more lightweight and much snappier
Even though I switched with each iteration of MacOS(X) since tiger. On older systems it always felt like snow leopard had the best performance. After the cats MACOS definitely got way better. Still think snow leopard was the best cat release
Would have loved to have seen the server version too!
please image the discs and upload them to internet archive
Pretty sure Macintosh Garden already has them ; )
I was expecting you were going to say that...
As Ken said, check the Macintosh Garden, they have it there.
Still waiting for Acapella version of Leopard Welcome Music
Signing in with the old MacOS...
Apple employee: Some one is trying to connect with our server.
Apple Manager: What are their permission code?
Apple employee: It's an old code, but it checks out.
Apple Manager: ... Ok, permission granted.
Snow Leopard was peak Apple in 2009.
What a cool retrospective to do after Dub Dub! Good stuff as usual, and I couldn’t help but laugh as your silly things you said when you were doing the slider thing with your app in Xcode, along with other stuff like taking it back to the a cappella version of the song in the Snow Leopard intro!
Ah,old good times, when we installed os’ with dvd’s…
I still use Snow Leopard. Why? It was before they ruined iMovie, Final Cut Pro, and iTunes; and limited what you could do with Quicktime. What pissed me off about them ruining iMovie is that they dropped third party plugin support. That sent a lot of cottage developers out of business, and nullified all my effects purchases. iMovie was elegant and powerful. Now? Abysmal. I tried to get used to Final Cut Pro X, but it is also abysmal. If the new Macs are so powerful, then why oh why no Rosetta for my zillions of older apps!? But NO! They will not even license Snow Leopard to go on Virtual Machines! It's like, "forget the software you spent so much money on... your out of luck!" Grrrrr
you've done it ken
😇
@@ComputerClan you've destroyed the apple beta testers 🥳
Hey ken, I have found an ad about the star scope an it looks fishy so you should make an video about this
I'm surprised there's no KKTM out of context videos
Woah CD that thing must be ancient
This is looking very great! 😇👍🏻💙
I live in Korea. This phrase was written using a translator.
Can I get a preview version of that developer? What I'm asking is whether it is possible to compress the CD as a DMG file using Disk Utility. I hope I get a positive answer. The reason I need that is simply because I'm unusual and want to use that version. I'm sorry if it's burdensome, but I hope you understand my simplicity.😢
You should archive it!
"The meta hurts my brain"
Every IT guy dealing with bullshit from companies involving Facebook in their business.
black ink is expensive so snow lepord would be cheaper to print
Hi Krazy!
What shortcut do you use to zoom the screen?
Control-Scroll Wheel! That, and many other useful tricks are on my TikTok! www.tiktok.com/@thecomputerclan/video/7063152958468279599?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1 - have fun!
Or TH-cam Shorts channel: thecomputerclan.com/shorts
Does it work with PowerPC CPU since it is a pre-release version?
No
@@ComputerClan What a pitty. Nice review anyways!
macOS 10.4 opening theme in first installment that was my favorite but 10.6 was and I used 10.8 and 10.6 since love color icons in finder 10.6 after finding a way to add color icons in 10.8 finder I used it more I forget if 10.8 and toast 10 work used toast and $20 blu-ray burning software for Blu-ray backups after learning about any DVDHD for windows xp with VMware 3/ or 2 was first VMware fusion; it pretty cool/ then I used pavtube on either Mac or pc to turn BD iso files to mkv or mp4 files
I need to borrow that for about 30 minutes. Lol.
Oh well you better buy two of those things because they're so bad damn expensive I'm like what the FU- never mind but seriously I hope you bought two of those
can you make a iso of both cds and upload it to anywhere and paste the link in the videodescription?
I'm 87% certain they're already on Macintosh Garden.
I was expecting you were going to say that...
As Ken said, check the Macintosh Garden.
@@ComputerClanI looked it up on Macintosh Garden and yes. there is a developer preview of macos snow leopard but not the same, you have 10A380 and Macitnosh Garden, the build number is 10A354 but if I am right then this is an even earlyer build.
Everyone: **about the video
Me: is that a real apple I?
It is a replica, but it's still quite valuable! Definitely not as valuable as an O.G. tho.
Huh
@@ComputerClan Yes
Did anyone catch the blue screen that flashed around 7:34? It's actually pretty cool
I remember having OS X 10.5 installed on my G4 1.25 MDD and a software up date included an upgrade of Quck time and then it told me it was incompatible with my version of OSX 10.5 so it stuffed up my computer. never again.
The Apple event last week was a non plus. They announced iOS 16 and then I saw you could pay for it in three instalments ? Confused I was ?
Hello Computer Clan // Do you know some Browser available to use with Snow Leopard in order to have the OS Installed ? The problem is Snow Leopard is the best Mac OS X System but I cannot use it because there is not any available browser working properly with this system . I have tried many of them and they are not working at all !! Any solution about this please ???? Thanks
Woah never seen it before
Pretty cool, eh? : D
@@ComputerClan yeah
7:34 why did I just think the Mac crashed?
I followed your clip for 2 minutes, but what s your intention? I looked for restore the OS X 6. 8. my machine crashed after an update, which was recommended by Apple support, can you help,
my imac start with the symbol of the apple and an everlasting "I am working" little clock which did not stop till kill at the main switch back at the left side behind?
Ok Krazy Ken, I've got a Krazy Konundrum for you! Maybe it's an easy answer, but what is the newest hardware you could install both the retail and developer release of Snow Leopard on? I mean, if I really wanted to, I could go all the way back to DOS and Windows 1.0 on my 2021 AMD-based Ryzen system. Could you install Snow Leopard on the last Intel mac?
Are you sure a Ryzen would go well with DOS (MS-DOS, not anything more modern like FreeDOS)?
I remember using my 4th gen i3 to prepare an installation of Windows 98 SE and doing that without a VM for whatever reason - it ran like a nightmare, you could mostly only navigate stuff if you knew what the mess on the screen was resembling by memory (or from a user manual printout :p)
@@app0the I said what I said. I didn't specify which DOS. What the hell, why not see if we can get x86 CP/M to run (since that is a DOS).
Cool, that’s that’s awesome
Wish i could get os x leopard on my power book g4
hey there is something i saw in a add called zilkee, it something that could connect 3 hard drives to get back your data when your hard drive fails. and could support 6tb of stoarage???? strange so im curious to know if its a scam and review it on your videos
Would that app you compiled still run on a modern version of macOS without modification?
Probably! My 2009 apps still work : D
Is this install universal? have you tried it on a powerpc?
Nobody noticing the apple 1 in the background
Thanks
still waiting for macOS Sea Lion
Me, too
That's so cool !!!!
my question is, what's your opinion on uploading this media to the Internet Archive?
I'm pretty sure it's already on Macintosh Garden.
Would you happen to have an image of that?
Hey, I want to buy your app - how much?
Archive it!
It's already archived on the Macintosh Garden mate. Check there. This isn't an iMac Nemo scenario.
@@SavvySage oof yes but i have bunch of errors everytime
It’s spelled Ventura but it’s pronounced “VENNNNNTURRRAAA”. Common mistake. Easily forgiven. Good videos
do you mean “formerly” ?
Exodus Honey - Honeycut
"Hey, did I mention this is a beta?"
Cool!
Indeed!
AND ITS FORMERLY sealed?!
I HATE ENGLISH x_x