The worst changes and nerfs. Group of people do everything for one day and abuse the system and get everything first and easy.And right then blizzard nerf events, raids, drops, vendors in the way its harder to get the items and improve and make it two times more harder for casual players, who don't even have time..... Don't understand that logic..
This is a very good point. This is something I've been talking about since at least back in the 90's in EQ. As a past his prime OG power gamer, if you tune balance for the 1% type super sweaty try-hards, you are NOT going to stop them. They will just find some other way to exploit/game/beat the changes. The average games and casuals though, they get punished by changes intended to stop/slow down the try-hards. In the end the devs CAN'T win with the try-hards, they will find a way, and everyone else suffers for those changes. This may not apply specifically to this event or whatever, but in general, if you try to close loopholes the sweaties abuse, they will find another way, and everyone else has to now live with punitive changes designed to stop less than 1% of the games population.
@@sbell04 and whining about 5 man groups wanting a debuff for them like being solo slapped and getting less coins would make it fairer for everyone, not even talking about healing classes smth!
I thought the same thing but I recently got into the game 2 weeks ago and bm has been so fun . I have social anxiety but so many people are lfg it’s easy to get a group . You’ll see people saying lfg healer etc inv them and form a little party. Treat it like it’s a lore aspect in the game
As a Ret paladin i had a hard time finding a meta grp, so i make my own now, My comp is usualy me and 3 other Ret pallys last guy warrior or rogue and i get arround 500-600 coins per event.
They said there will be some sort of drawback for making a raid. But not for a 5-man group it seems? Imo they should penalize groups aswell to make soloplay feel better.
@@rossjamestobittwhat free for all don't understand. I think should no group just chaos plus seen entire guild separate party's work together unofficial raid few times. So think remove grouping all together let blood bath happen unless opt out
@@rossjamestobitt Not sure if you're trolling. If you play solo in pvp it's still an MMO lol. Not everyone has the time, nor friends or guilds to group up as easily. It's also in the name "Free for all" event. Grouping doesnt seem like free for all.
the free for all aside from 5 man groups has really been refreshing coming from the super zergy p1 ashenvale experience. my group of friends have been having a ton of fun fighting in the arena every event!
As a hunter I just hide on a mountain and then control my wind serpent with eyes of the beast to last hit people with lighning breath - first time this skill is useful and it makes so much fun lol. Sporadically, someone is annoyed and moves all the way up to gank me. Then I either kill them or do a suicide jump so I dont lose blood. With a good group you can make a bit more blood obviously but I always manage to get to the 255 cap.
This is very daunting as a casual player, especially if you happen to be solo at the time of the event, but it's all good. I'll run it with some guildies when I have some more time (and when I'm lvl40) and get some blood coins over time. Yes there will be a meta, but this is what ppl asked for after Ashenvale. Real, small scale PVP, warts and all. I got absolutely crushed for 30 minutes as a lvl 30 hunter in a mostly 5-man lvl40 team event (which is how it's supposed to be played), but got out of it with a silver coin to compensate for by bruised body and ego, so it was fine.
The event needs a bunch of changes Alone its rather daunting... EDIT: for example in a group you dont even have to fight someone to get blood for them if someone in your party kills them I dont mean to take that away but instead help those that do NOT have a party You could for example award coins for the amount of dmg dealt to the target before it died, this would prevent people from just tagging and getting free coins on mass but also help the solo players
Great vod Sarthe, super simple and to the point. Many people are hating on the event for various reasons, but I absolutely have loved every second of it. Anyone who cares about the gy exploit in the beginning, come on WoW players have a 20 year history of digesting content like a kid in a free for all smash grab candy heist. Not everyone took part, and you shouldn't feel behind if you didn't. The gear is super easy to obtain, and if you are solo joining the event just be super smart and either stealth if capable and snipe low health kills, or utilize other guerrilla tactics. The event is designed to be a free for all cesspool, and with the meta skewing towards so many open burst combos its a good fit. Thanks for the work we appreciate you.
The debuff (Drained of Blood) is now normal buff, (fixed 12.2 evening) you cant see it on your target. and tip: if you wanna turn in your stacks after event, make sure your group m8's dont leave group b4 that or everyone in group will lose all stacks.
Its skippable for sure, I dont like this event at all but considering I never saw the druid mace drop once for all of p1 I like that there is a somewhat guaranteed way to get a great weapon
I thought Ashenvale was bad.. stv is way worse with lag. I have no idea what's going on half the time because everyone is teleporting into different dimensions
Lmao i love how sweaty some of these people are, its admirable because you know its like when we were basement dwellers in the elden times. My whole guild is parents and people in their 30s we have yet to have a lvl 40 but its been a blast so far minus getting rolled by the nolives 😂
well I'm in my 30s and a parent, same for the majority in my guild, we actually have mom dad and son with his friends playing in the same guild, I just did my STV yesterday with a few random groups not meta comp at all and let me tell you it's so much fun ANYWAY. I really don't understand ppl always complaining about necessity to form groups in wow classic....and if they do, they then complain about meta groups...ppl don't know how tno enjoy things.
nah cause if ur a healer ur just fked. im talking just heal gear it'll take u fkin forever to get stuff. the 5man is fun u just dont have friends to play with lmao
STV is unplayable since launch. You either are in a different layer than your party, and when you get invited into a new group in your current layer, you will randomly go to another.. Also the lag is insane.
Honestly I think even if you're in a group only the player who landed the killing blow should get a blood coin or whatever its called. or if you're solo you get 5 for a killing blow. Otherwise there's no reason to not be in a group. I can imagine being a class without stealth solo in this is a nightmare
i randomly lost 222 blood, event had ended so i was running to the alter i was about 400 yards away from alter and my blood just disappeared where everyone else kept theirs. Iv made a ticket but so far no reply!
Not a pvp fan, so I'm glad it's only 7 coins as a priest to get the ring + cloak. Another 7 when I want both specs I guess. It seems extremely chaotic though, and there doesn't seem to be a good consistent way of farming
I like how the no lifers exploited and have all the stv gear. Now most of us are behind… we have to now farm them out slower. It’s insane seeing these people walking around with the best weapons day 2…
Everyone that did the graveyard spam should have it stripped. Or don't stop it. Now the ones that work and have kids don't get to abuse it like they did. They say don't rush you won't miss out. We'll we missed out.
"Solo a lot harder" after 1 attempt I walked away with nothing i managed to get x4 blood but once debuf is gone dead in less then 2 seconds There is no way to get to hand in the bloods the groups are simply to many and to big and there is zero ways to heal during the combat. Very disheartening exsperiance.
If you are running STV solo as a healer to PVP you are doing it wrong. As long as somebody in your grp gets the last blow every group member gets blood.
i get to 5 bloods and get killed by basically any spell nuker class, its nice to play rogue that gets revealed by any aoe ability and has 8 sec cooldown for stealth, 5 min cooldown for sprint, no heal, no root, no dispel to be able to stay in vanish.
Don't worry, rogues will get CoS and all the whistles by 60, it may be a dip now, but it will be legendary. Do not forget the base-class rogue power in classic, with these additions? They are on track to be one of the top pvp classes!!
Should remove quickly from the title so misleading when you're just doing the normal stuff you're meant to do and didn't give information that would 'quickly' increase the time... waste of time
“WTB 4 Boomy Coin Carry PST” …. SW:D also hits way too hard. All the spell power buffs on items and no real stamina improvements for mail and plate gear is scary. I crit melee, ww, and MS’d a Spriest to 80% of his Hp through his shield . He pressed three globals and my 2500 hp was deleted. Homunculus and Shadowfiend hit way too hard too quickly. Damage should be good over entire duration not just insane all together. And yeah… SW:D non crit me for 950damage.
you can literally buy all the items of your class in one day... why bother to do it again afterwards? they should make items a lot more expensive or add more items more expensive now! give every class a weapon choice for example.why priests/locks/mages get only rings? needs a lot of rework imo
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The worst changes and nerfs. Group of people do everything for one day and abuse the system and get everything first and easy.And right then blizzard nerf events, raids, drops, vendors in the way its harder to get the items and improve and make it two times more harder for casual players, who don't even have time..... Don't understand that logic..
It took me 4 events after nerfs to get my epic 2hander. It's fine.
The people that exploited had their items removed.
@@marksingh7059that’s not true lmfao I still have all my shit
Exploit early and often bro
This is a very good point. This is something I've been talking about since at least back in the 90's in EQ. As a past his prime OG power gamer, if you tune balance for the 1% type super sweaty try-hards, you are NOT going to stop them. They will just find some other way to exploit/game/beat the changes. The average games and casuals though, they get punished by changes intended to stop/slow down the try-hards. In the end the devs CAN'T win with the try-hards, they will find a way, and everyone else suffers for those changes.
This may not apply specifically to this event or whatever, but in general, if you try to close loopholes the sweaties abuse, they will find another way, and everyone else has to now live with punitive changes designed to stop less than 1% of the games population.
as a feral, im enjoying just rolling solo and picking off stragglers lol. i dont earn much coin, but its fun
Keep having fun mate!
Its not much but it’s honest work
The required 5-man party Meta ruins it for me tbh.
agree. people literally just run meta comp and trash everyone else. if your class is not meta. all you will have is 5 dps teams that being shit on
I ran few 5 man party with not a meta comp and got a bunch of coins and got klled many times too just don't understand the problem here.
These are people who aren't even doing the event and just want to cry @@albatros386
@@sbell04 and whining about 5 man groups wanting a debuff for them like being solo slapped and getting less coins would make it fairer for everyone, not even talking about healing classes smth!
I thought the same thing but I recently got into the game 2 weeks ago and bm has been so fun . I have social anxiety but so many people are lfg it’s easy to get a group . You’ll see people saying lfg healer etc inv them and form a little party. Treat it like it’s a lore aspect in the game
Thank you for actually explaining shit and not just reading the event notes like most TH-camrs did, I want important details, I can read on my own lol
I love how the silence debuff you get now prevents paladins from mounting and getting away from the graveyard.
deserved
As a Ret paladin i had a hard time finding a meta grp, so i make my own now, My comp is usualy me and 3 other Ret pallys last guy warrior or rogue and i get arround 500-600 coins per event.
Thanks for the guide. I didn't know a few of these things appreciate you.
I noticed you get +1 blood per pve mob kill. Is there a spot in STV that has very dense mobs and fast respawns? Would this be worth trying?
They said there will be some sort of drawback for making a raid. But not for a 5-man group it seems? Imo they should penalize groups aswell to make soloplay feel better.
It's an MMO... If you want solo-play go play an offline RPG
@@rossjamestobittwhat free for all don't understand. I think should no group just chaos plus seen entire guild separate party's work together unofficial raid few times. So think remove grouping all together let blood bath happen unless opt out
@@rossjamestobitt Not sure if you're trolling. If you play solo in pvp it's still an MMO lol. Not everyone has the time, nor friends or guilds to group up as easily.
It's also in the name "Free for all" event. Grouping doesnt seem like free for all.
@@aeroblizz1987correct! I'm not even interested in the event lol
Only solo play would be horrible for healers
the free for all aside from 5 man groups has really been refreshing coming from the super zergy p1 ashenvale experience.
my group of friends have been having a ton of fun fighting in the arena every event!
As a hunter I just hide on a mountain and then control my wind serpent with eyes of the beast to last hit people with lighning breath - first time this skill is useful and it makes so much fun lol. Sporadically, someone is annoyed and moves all the way up to gank me. Then I either kill them or do a suicide jump so I dont lose blood. With a good group you can make a bit more blood obviously but I always manage to get to the 255 cap.
surely the layering is clearly the intended exp
This is very daunting as a casual player, especially if you happen to be solo at the time of the event, but it's all good. I'll run it with some guildies when I have some more time (and when I'm lvl40) and get some blood coins over time. Yes there will be a meta, but this is what ppl asked for after Ashenvale. Real, small scale PVP, warts and all. I got absolutely crushed for 30 minutes as a lvl 30 hunter in a mostly 5-man lvl40 team event (which is how it's supposed to be played), but got out of it with a silver coin to compensate for by bruised body and ego, so it was fine.
Such a nice event. I really like the lag of bLizzards server and the fact that theres a chance you're not in the same layer as your group.
The event needs a bunch of changes
Alone its rather daunting...
EDIT: for example in a group you dont even have to fight someone to get blood for them if someone in your party kills them
I dont mean to take that away but instead help those that do NOT have a party
You could for example award coins for the amount of dmg dealt to the target before it died, this would prevent people from just tagging and getting free coins on mass but also help the solo players
It's a multiplayer game. It should give more effective rewards in a group...
Great vod Sarthe, super simple and to the point. Many people are hating on the event for various reasons, but I absolutely have loved every second of it. Anyone who cares about the gy exploit in the beginning, come on WoW players have a 20 year history of digesting content like a kid in a free for all smash grab candy heist. Not everyone took part, and you shouldn't feel behind if you didn't. The gear is super easy to obtain, and if you are solo joining the event just be super smart and either stealth if capable and snipe low health kills, or utilize other guerrilla tactics. The event is designed to be a free for all cesspool, and with the meta skewing towards so many open burst combos its a good fit. Thanks for the work we appreciate you.
Thanks man, your SoD vids have been pretty helpful so far
Do you lose your bloods if you die?
just part of it
I feel like if you rez and have debuff you should be able to cut it short if you choose to attack someone.
The debuff (Drained of Blood) is now normal buff, (fixed 12.2 evening) you cant see it on your target. and tip: if you wanna turn in your stacks after event, make sure your group m8's dont leave group b4 that or everyone in group will lose all stacks.
why did they change it u can't tell now who is worth killing lol, so stupid
Can i skip these weapons and get equal versions in gnomeregan? Or is this basicallymandatory?
Its skippable for sure, I dont like this event at all but considering I never saw the druid mace drop once for all of p1 I like that there is a somewhat guaranteed way to get a great weapon
@@_Augie
Same for me. Still rocking smite’s 😞
its class dependent, some classes have great items there and some have none.
You forgot the fact that the whole zone turns into a slideshow as soon as the event starts. Good luck fighting in Stranglelag Vale
I thought Ashenvale was bad.. stv is way worse with lag. I have no idea what's going on half the time because everyone is teleporting into different dimensions
Nice video thx for your Time end make This Content 🎉🥳
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Lmao i love how sweaty some of these people are, its admirable because you know its like when we were basement dwellers in the elden times. My whole guild is parents and people in their 30s we have yet to have a lvl 40 but its been a blast so far minus getting rolled by the nolives 😂
well I'm in my 30s and a parent, same for the majority in my guild, we actually have mom dad and son with his friends playing in the same guild, I just did my STV yesterday with a few random groups not meta comp at all and let me tell you it's so much fun ANYWAY. I really don't understand ppl always complaining about necessity to form groups in wow classic....and if they do, they then complain about meta groups...ppl don't know how tno enjoy things.
Lot of words to cry... just say you suck and getting farmed by people like you but are better
Thats your choice, sweaty players shouldnt be held down by casuals. vice versa, sweaty players shouldnt force you to play a certain way either
It's so stupid to say it's an FFA, but then let you go in groups of 5😂
nah cause if ur a healer ur just fked. im talking just heal gear it'll take u fkin forever to get stuff. the 5man is fun u just dont have friends to play with lmao
STV is unplayable since launch. You either are in a different layer than your party, and when you get invited into a new group in your current layer, you will randomly go to another.. Also the lag is insane.
Are you on Crusader Strike? No major issues here on Living Flame.
@@jmcke802 i am on crusader strike EU and most blood moons were fine aside from yesterday night
Nigh unplayable with how laggy it was
Same wild growth perfectly fine
@@jmcke802 living flame. Done the event once properly.
Never had issues and im on lone wolf wich is full lol
Is the League of Arathor Highlander gear worth?
Can't wait to play. Only lvl 31😢
Just wait for the 5man boomy group meta
The stv event is trash lol, I can't wait to finish getting gear and never do it again!
Legit the worst event blizzars have ever done
Guards did in fact attack me in booty bay after attacking a horde. guards do NOT stay neutral during bloodmoon.
Hey Sarth, can you update the hunter weakauras, thanks
nah bot
You also get blood from killing mobs/npcs?
Yes 1 blood per mob
if you die with blood on you, every blood will be lost?
think its down to like 30 sec now on the debuff and you cant cast anything while you have it
Honestly I think even if you're in a group only the player who landed the killing blow should get a blood coin or whatever its called. or if you're solo you get 5 for a killing blow. Otherwise there's no reason to not be in a group. I can imagine being a class without stealth solo in this is a nightmare
i randomly lost 222 blood, event had ended so i was running to the alter i was about 400 yards away from alter and my blood just disappeared where everyone else kept theirs. Iv made a ticket but so far no reply!
Same happend to me, was pissed
@@f3korn i made a ticket 3 days ago about it, but no reply ofc
so whats the sweet spot for group size 5?
God damn this video reminds me of some pvp wars back from og vanilla. STV was amazing af. So many bullies 😂😂😂 (I was a bully)
The Debuff is now a buff - much harder to see on players. Terrible change.
Not a pvp fan, so I'm glad it's only 7 coins as a priest to get the ring + cloak. Another 7 when I want both specs I guess. It seems extremely chaotic though, and there doesn't seem to be a good consistent way of farming
It's impossible to find a group as a warrior. I hate this event worst thing in sod by far
Bro, you look like a rogue.. if ur playing hunter ur playing the wrong class. You channel is awsome!
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what add on is it you use that said 'Missing Aspect' at 0:38?
Its a Hunter weak aura
Can’t wait to go as solo warrior
Worst possible 😂
Legit worse than the Ashenvale event
Ashenvale sucked too before a few changes were made, to be fair
STV PvP event: where the only thing guaranteed is a slideshow of chaos and confusion! 🎉
never seen more than 30 copper per game even in grp plus is a ranged event not for melee.
You mean you can't exploit anymore for epics...Darn. Anyone that did that needs their items removed. It's BS.
Didn't think they could make it any worse than AshenJail, but here it is hehe
Where do you cash the coins in for epics? New to wow
Gurubashi arena
if ur a warrior this will be ur worst gaming experience
I lost 111 blood when i left the party after the event ended i was on my way to the altar and puff, no more blood
You can't turn in after the event ends. You have to wait for the next event and your blood count returns.
not even mentioning Ele-Shaman, i am a bit disappointed :P
They were supposed to punish grouping. What happened? No penalty at all for steamrolling ez mode?
they only punish raids, thats not the same as grouping
if you die do you lose all your blood?
No, you lose like 6-12 or some %
with the protection from blood event , u cant get honor by killing hordes neither.
This event doesn't sound like fun just stressful
Do you lose the blood if you die?
You lose some
you lose 10% of what you carry. you do not lose any if they kill you like you have ressurection debuff
Did 4 events today.
Got 15 silver and my epic weapon.
Now I am never going to STV again 😅
Sure, it's "really fun", love it!
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only need 7 coins as a mage. got that in 1 event. figure Ill get the other 2 rings in 2 events easily
Step 1: Don't be a Warrior
I like how the no lifers exploited and have all the stv gear. Now most of us are behind… we have to now farm them out slower. It’s insane seeing these people walking around with the best weapons day 2…
Such a lame event for 90% of players.
Everyone that did the graveyard spam should have it stripped. Or don't stop it. Now the ones that work and have kids don't get to abuse it like they did. They say don't rush you won't miss out. We'll we missed out.
"Solo a lot harder" after 1 attempt I walked away with nothing i managed to get x4 blood but once debuf is gone dead in less then 2 seconds There is no way to get to hand in the bloods the groups are simply to many and to big and there is zero ways to heal during the combat.
Very disheartening exsperiance.
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another event were the no lifers got all the rewards, and by now, it has been nerfed into the ground.
So us healers have it way harder to het blood if its based off of killing blows. Great. Typical blizz
I believe if your in a group as I healer you’ll still get coins from any members killing blows
@@patgrady1720 I hope so! I guess I could still run death rune If needed
If you are running STV solo as a healer to PVP you are doing it wrong. As long as somebody in your grp gets the last blow every group member gets blood.
@@zjeee I don't run solo ever lol thanks good to know.
surely it shouldn't take weeks to nerf starsurge dmg
Nerf damage but make it stun... good thinking!
Starsurge is pretty nutty right now. Time to nerf hunters.
Shadow word death hit me for 1500. Idk about starsurge
starsurge crits for over 1k 😢
i get to 5 bloods and get killed by basically any spell nuker class, its nice to play rogue that gets revealed by any aoe ability and has 8 sec cooldown for stealth, 5 min cooldown for sprint, no heal, no root, no dispel to be able to stay in vanish.
Don't worry, rogues will get CoS and all the whistles by 60, it may be a dip now, but it will be legendary. Do not forget the base-class rogue power in classic, with these additions? They are on track to be one of the top pvp classes!!
Not worth it. skipping pvp event.
Should remove quickly from the title so misleading when you're just doing the normal stuff you're meant to do and didn't give information that would 'quickly' increase the time... waste of time
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i get so much lag its hard to fight any one
"255" is an OG mmo lucky number.. dont ask me ehy
“WTB 4 Boomy Coin Carry PST” ….
SW:D also hits way too hard. All the spell power buffs on items and no real stamina improvements for mail and plate gear is scary. I crit melee, ww, and MS’d a Spriest to 80% of his Hp through his shield . He pressed three globals and my 2500 hp was deleted. Homunculus and Shadowfiend hit way too hard too quickly. Damage should be good over entire duration not just insane all together. And yeah… SW:D non crit me for 950damage.
Should be maximum duo to play with a friend. The 5 man groups just make it not fun at all
this event is extremely frustrating all range groups domintate
Commenting for the 100k journey.
Finally some frustrating fun!!! Gz blizz for once
Corbin Trail
Josie Throughway
Nah gonna be 5 man Boomie/Ele Shamans each insta nuking you for 2k+ a pop
buddy said incredibly fun! Cmon man
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playing solo sucks so bad
Okay but I don't know how people are killing a thousand dudes for the 10 silver
Freddie Manor
this is nerfed again, u now get debuff for 15 secs and cant attk anyone with or with out debuff for the duration
If it's a free for all that's what it should be grouping up ain't a free for all words how do they work lol 😆
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Sister Street
I will pass on this one lol no time to spend on that bloodbath
you can literally buy all the items of your class in one day... why bother to do it again afterwards? they should make items a lot more expensive or add more items more expensive now! give every class a weapon choice for example.why priests/locks/mages get only rings? needs a lot of rework imo
Stacy Hill
hi bro . really nice content . love from streamers Family😘
Just stop
It's also so laggy it's barely playable