They Say Black Comes In ALL Shades | Video Essay

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  • @niathemelaras3275
    @niathemelaras3275 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Thank for this video! As a biracial person (I have a white father and a black mother) with very light skin and eyes, and other “traditional” black phenotypes (e.g. a broad nose, full lips and curly hair) I’ve never felt comfortable identifying as just black, because not only did I feel like an imposter for the reasons I mentioned above, but also because I felt pressured to deny my white side. Whenever someone asks what race I identify with, I just say that I’m mixed, because I’m not one or the other, I’m both/and.

    • @WondrousJoJo
      @WondrousJoJo  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      No problem!
      I personally feel that it's odd and disingenuous for a person to deny literally half of their heritage. I know there's pressure to claim only one side (especially depending on phenotype), and that is a problem.

  • @BekkaPoo
    @BekkaPoo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Biracial black mixed people (like myself) we didn't choose to have the one drop rule applied to us. I grew up in the 80s, and I remember when I was a kid and if I said that I was mixed oftentimes I would be "corrected" by black people who would tell me I was "just black" and that if it was slavery times I would have been working on a plantation in the fields if I was bad, and in the house if I was good. Sooooo...yeah.
    And while that may be true, I never denied either side of my ancestors. My child is mostly white and I caught myself repeating the same things to them, but they have also rejected that and I'm trying to come to terms with that. I know their experience in the world may very well be 'colored' by their experiences as a very light skinned, 25% black individual with majority white ancestry. I still tell them they should not hide from or be ashamed of any Black ancestry they have. My $0.02. edited: correcting my child's ethnic/racial makeup.

    • @WondrousJoJo
      @WondrousJoJo  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Hello!
      That's my issue with black people on this topic as well. We play a part in upholding/perpetuating W-Supremacy by telling biracial black people that they're only black and should only identify as such. If we went off of mistreatment due to skin color alone, then everyone who isn't white-passing would be "black" lol. Mistreatment shouldn't be the qualifier for the "black" label, and it doesn't define us. We aren't living in the plantation exploitation times anymore. We don't have to live by those rules. No one can deny you your ancestry.

    • @BekkaPoo
      @BekkaPoo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@WondrousJoJo I thank you so much for making a space to discuss this. And you're absolutely correct that it's something that black people have to reject as a norm. It's also the reason why some mixed race people may feel like they have to overcompensate on blackness to prove their solidarity and trustworthiness to other black folk.

    • @BroJo676
      @BroJo676 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thisyour testimony clearly indicates that many Black people unfortunately feel inferiorized by their Full Black ancestry when they're confronted with half-Black biracial. This is embodied by how quick Black people always are to "correct" and try to have half-Black biracials era their being mixed and solely claim Blackness.
      Yes, half-Black biracials will very certainly experience racism but does it mean they should disregard their entire mixed ancestry? Heck no.

    • @ORISONTV
      @ORISONTV 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      no such thing as a biracial black person

    • @LoveMafae
      @LoveMafae 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      no such thing as a black mixed person.

  • @aliciamoulton6876
    @aliciamoulton6876 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I appreciate your nuance in this video about race and being biracial. What I see is that biracial people are labeled/or label themselves as black (or one certain ethnicity) when it is politically advantageous. It just makes so many racial issues these days seem even more disingenuous.

    • @aliciamoulton6876
      @aliciamoulton6876 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I'll add that there is quite a bit of variation in white. And I actually really hate the lack of nuance that goes into how people often talk about "white" as a race. When people say white, they usually mean someone with light skin of Western European ancestry. But when people talk about the light skin phenotype, they often group in people who may not see themselves as "white," and who are not Western European, such as light-skinned Jews from Eastern Europe or from other regions of the world. There are many Eastern European who have light skin but different physical features from people of western European ancestry. Also, within Europeans, there used to be a lot of distinction within the United States in the 1800s, earlier on in our "melting pot" history. Germans, Poles, these were thought of separately and some were discriminated against even though they all have light skin variations. What I dislike about "white" as a race is that it is often meant as "blank," and often in a boring and derogatory way. I think this may have an influence as to why one shred of black, as you mention, makes someone viewed as black or some other ethnicity - because Iight skin is seen as a blank canvas. "White" is often a European genetic pool melting pot, but it's not blank. I know my ancestry -- I am about half Danish, about half British, about an 1/8 Swiss, a little bit of Norweigan, and a little bit of a whole bunch of European when you get way back there on my family tree.

    • @camara1194
      @camara1194 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@aliciamoulton6876I say that all the time. It’s not the phenotype that you focus on, it’s the genetics.

    • @a.s.1737
      @a.s.1737 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm biracial and was raised in an entirely white family and given zero information and exposure to my father and his family. I grew up in a predominantly white neighborhood. I've been treated horribly my entire life(including by my family) and fetishized for being black. I have no understanding of black culture and yet I'm forever tied to it. So explain what you mean by it being politically advantageous. I don't use it to my advantage anywhere. My existence is loathed by many black people as well. There is zero advantage as far as I can see.

    • @aliciamoulton6876
      @aliciamoulton6876 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @a.s.1737 I don't mean you or everyone (and so sorry that people have treated you horribly!). What I mean is, for example, Barack Obama is biracial (his mother is white, his father is black), but we as a collective think of him as just Black (first Black president, etc.). We don't think of him as just as much white as he is Black.

    • @taestytae1281
      @taestytae1281 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes one example for that is Meghan Markle she said it before that she has never been treated as a black then changing her story later on Oprah then again and again . Discarding her father for being white making up story that she grew up with ther black american mother, making up her father to be some deadbeat,while in real life it's her father who raised her since she was nine and even sold his apple stock to pay her university tution, her uni loan. She's so fucked up like how can she betray someone like that and play victim. 😢😢

  • @thato596
    @thato596 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Yeah I also do not agree with the one drop rule

    • @WondrousJoJo
      @WondrousJoJo  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hi, Thato! Yeah, no one should agree with it, especially when it doesn't apply in reverse or with any other race. It's just an old concept totally based in racism---literally. Thanks for watching!

  • @Cnichal
    @Cnichal 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Mayowa's World just did a video about this, and then you popped in my algorithm. 🙌🏾

    • @WondrousJoJo
      @WondrousJoJo  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I'm familiar with her! She's a cool creator! I'm glad the algorithm is pushing the topic! Thank you for telling me this. 😊💜

    • @Cnichal
      @Cnichal 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      13:45 Now I have heard indigenous people talk about how they don't accept blood quantum. But they also don't accept phenotype either, necessarily. I have heard it's about community, and who's claiming you in the community. Being decimated by genocide and having so many children taken and essentially given to the whytes (who thought they could breed the native out of them). They have only so many choices.

  • @curiosophy4241
    @curiosophy4241 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very informative.Thank u! learned something

    • @WondrousJoJo
      @WondrousJoJo  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! I'm really glad you did. ☺️

  • @doubleutee8867
    @doubleutee8867 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    In terms of an attempt to breed out the Black phenotype, all you have to do is look south, and apply the Latin American term "mejorar la raza" as the historical demonstrated strategy to convince the population to Europeanize their phenotypes as the preferred fit to climb the politico-social and economic hierarchy of most of those nations for the overall gains and benefits their societies have to offer. And if that doesn't work, look north. Don't wait on the Lord, just look north!

    • @WondrousJoJo
      @WondrousJoJo  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This is a great comment. I absolutely have heard of that Latin American phrase, and it is so sad to me that POC are so entranced with WS and colorist ideals (and of course, black people are obviously no exception). Many POC have been convinced that whiteness is needed in order to become something/someone in this world and find success. No other outside DNA is ever needed to be considered any more attractive or worthy in this life. The sooner we realize that, the sooner we can collectively deconstruct this silly notion and build something better for ourselves and future generations.

    • @doubleutee8867
      @doubleutee8867 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@WondrousJoJo Well said! God don't make no mistakes, but the devil got involved! Peace!

    • @doubleutee8867
      @doubleutee8867 ปีที่แล้ว

      @danielorozco2572I know exactly what a Mestizo is, but I have no idea what you are asking. I mean, what do you want to be?

  • @barryorchestra
    @barryorchestra 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Drake is Canadian, not american.

    • @WondrousJoJo
      @WondrousJoJo  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hi, Stephen. Thank you so for much for watching. Yes, I am aware he has Canadian roots. I don't understand where you're getting at though.

    • @ladymary22
      @ladymary22 ปีที่แล้ว

      Canadian and American are nationalities

    • @PsychicMedium4747
      @PsychicMedium4747 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@WondrousJoJoblack subsaharan people first brought to America looked nothing like mixed race people. Completely different features. One drop was OUTLAWED in 1967. Why do some of you hold on to the 1 drop? Why? Do you see yourself as 3/5 of a human being? That is all slave shit…let that crap go. It’s very insulting. Mixed is mixed.

  • @BroJo676
    @BroJo676 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I disagree on Eurasian biracials being seen as Asians most of the time. All Eurasians I've come across, even though they'll you about their being mixed when it comes to privacy and intimacy, are generally seen as White-ish.
    Most Eurasians geebraly have an Asian mom and White father, therefore they automatically inherit their White father's European surname. In addition to a traditional European first name, everybody sees a beige-skinned person with a classical European identity, which facilitates everybody seeing them as White-ish.
    Of course, if you're Eurasian but clearly leaning on thr Asian side phenotypically, you are more likely to be othered. But most Eurasians look like the perfect blend, enabling them to pass as White.

  • @j.rising7286
    @j.rising7286 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Great video! However I disagree with your point that Biracial people have the right to chose their race. Biracial people mixed with Black DO NOT have the right to identify as only Black. Why? Because it’s not true, it’s a lie. Biracial people have the right to identify as Biracial. That’s what they are. Full stop.
    Black people are not responsible for quelling the identity crisis of mixed and Biracial folk at our own expense. The one drop rule is why we’re 15% White on average now. It’s not just because of r8p3 during slavery. It’s because we were brainwashed to redefine Blackness to include non-Black people. We procreate with non-Black people and call the offspring Black continuing the slow process of breeding out who we were when we first got here 400 years ago. We would have bred the Biracials produced during slavery out by now. It’s been 400 years. We have just continued to include contemporary mixed and Biracial people in the Black category, adding higher percentages of admixture as time goes on. Now our group psyche is damaged, most colorism is conflated with racial miscategorization, and even whole White people are able to claim Black identity with no push back. Cardi B, who doesn’t have one Black parent is called a Black woman by Black people.
    When we get reparations, the one drop rule is going to allow White and mixed people, who don’t live as Black, to claim Black identity for our owed resources. It’s already happening on college campuses. Non-Black people are simply identifying as Black to get access to resources and opportunities through school programs allocated for Black Americans.
    This situation is really bad.

    • @WondrousJoJo
      @WondrousJoJo  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Sorry for the late response. First and foremost, thank you for watching and joining the discussion. I do agree that biracial people should equally claim both sides. I understand that some people mixed with white say they do not want to claim it because they do not wish to identify with their oppressor...but...the reality is that being part white is a large part of their dna and who they are. I don't think it's healthy to act like 50% of you doesn't exist.
      I absolutely agree that claiming everything as black among ourselves is out of control. Sorry, but Megan Markle is NOT a black woman. She has every right to claim her ancestry, but she should never identify her entire racial existence as a black woman---It's disingenuous. Same for Kamala Harris, who is only 1/4th black, at best. Our people are so thirsty that we'll take any individual who even remotely resembles an ounce of blackness.
      You're also right about other people taking advantage of programs and benefits that are meant to help us along in this country. While some of the problems do come from our people allowing everyone to the cookout with no guards, gates, or barries to entry; we must also see that this country makes it even harder on us by documenting nearly all biracial births as only "black" on their birth cirtificates. It irks me that other people in this country don't have to deal with that. We have a solid understanding of what white is. We have a solid understanding of Asian, Latino, and so on. As soon as it comes to us, the waters are somehow muddied, and everyone gets a piece of the pie.

    • @PsychicMedium4747
      @PsychicMedium4747 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I agree, we are biracial…and very proud. I always correct ignorant people when they try to say we are black knowing darn well we do not look like west Africans. I have Carmel colored skin and Mediterranean.arabian textured hair..that’s clearly not black features.

    • @a.s.1737
      @a.s.1737 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Biracial doesn't include people who are only black! You wanna lump me white/black mix with an asian/Latino person? Do you think that is even remotely the same experience?

    • @a.s.1737
      @a.s.1737 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@WondrousJoJoIf my pale ass is forever being labelled and discriminated against as black, then you want to dismiss that? Do you think most of those who look at Meghan Markle go "ugh that MIXED person"? Fuck no. Text messages were leaked to the British tabloids about her being addressed as a n*** by some white British woman. I'm unbelievably tired of black people gatekeeping blackness when literally a minutia of brown will get you racially profiled. It will get you vilified regardless if you are famous or not. Even in African countries people fight over blackness. What gross comments you have made. Yes I am black/white mix and I identify as such but it doesn't mean a damn thing in a racist society because they only see the black half.

    • @a.s.1737
      @a.s.1737 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@PsychicMedium4747stop self hating

  • @ladymary22
    @ladymary22 ปีที่แล้ว

    Except Judism is both religion, culture and race. The Nazis wanted to commit genocide because they weren't pure "Aryan" but religion is part of it.
    Much thanks for this lesson. I am trying to take it in

    • @WondrousJoJo
      @WondrousJoJo  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for watching and joining the conversation! 🙂
      Judaism is a religion. Jewish is an ethnicity, not a race. Jewish people can be black, white, etc., so there is no such thing as the Jewish race. That would be like saying Hispanic is a race of people - it is not. Hispanic is an ethnicity. Hispanics can be black, white, native american, etc. I understand that an awful man whose name started with an H did not like Jewish people, but hatred of a group of people does not all of a sudden classify them as a new race of people. I mean, Romani people were persecuted and hated once upon a time as well, but that does not make them a race. Romani is an ethnicity, too. Hope that makes sense. Thanks again for stopping by! 🙂
      -JoJo

    • @BroJo676
      @BroJo676 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@WondrousJoJoJudaism is a religion and a Jew is someone who practices that religion.
      Hebrew is the ethnic term, generally an ethnic group is characterized by shared genetics and a shared language.
      The thing is, because for most of Judaism's history, the only believers were of Hebrew descent, there started to be a clumsy intersection between the two.
      Right now, most Jews are not even of Hebrew descent. Most of them are Europeans.

  • @tamooz6649
    @tamooz6649 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, just wanted to say Jewish is considered its own race as an ethnoreligion so Jewish isn't Caucasian

    • @WondrousJoJo
      @WondrousJoJo  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you!
      Well, that depends on the type of Jewish people you are referring to. For example, the Ashkenazi group are certainly Caucasian while the Ethiopian group are black.

  • @PsychicMedium4747
    @PsychicMedium4747 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I agree with you, we have a standard for whiteness but not blackness. Black is clearly black skin and 4 c hair. Light skin , loosely textured hair are not black features. Obama and Harris both mixed race.

  • @LoveMafae
    @LoveMafae 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    dark people don't come in all shades

  • @rachelitsupanditsstuck
    @rachelitsupanditsstuck 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I subbed

    • @WondrousJoJo
      @WondrousJoJo  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you so much! Greatly appreciated!

  • @ИванХуанКортесКихот
    @ИванХуанКортесКихот 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Boy!

    • @WondrousJoJo
      @WondrousJoJo  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hi, please call me JoJo.

  • @Thejefeshow
    @Thejefeshow ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My family had passing white to really darskin people

    • @WondrousJoJo
      @WondrousJoJo  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Hello, and thanks for joining the discussion. Do you consider your white-passing members to be "black"? It seems to me that your white-passing family members would be...well...white. If one can pass for white in this country, then wouldn't they be white? It's just so odd to me that people only have this convoluted discussion when it involves being mixed with black. If we claim everyone as black, then being black wont mean anything anymore. It's like almost anyone can join the club that has black somewhere down their ancestry line. With that being said, why doesn't it work in reverse? Why can't I or any "African American" identify as white? We as "African Americans" have white in our ancestry. Do you see the issue now? This racial system makes us believe that white is a concrete concept that cannot be unchanged, while black is seen as a diverse and ever-changing concept. White mixed with anything, especially black, is seen as 'tainted' and no longer white. Do you ever wonder why that concept isn't seen in reverse? Why isn't anything mixed with black seen as diluting the black race? This country, as well as the black community, still has a long way to go.

    • @ChristopherBeasley-l2u
      @ChristopherBeasley-l2u ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s because you’re mixed race.

  • @NuNugirl
    @NuNugirl 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My Grandson isn’t Black. He has my Son’s smile and especially the mischievous twinkle in his eyes. He has his waves in his hair with highlights. He sprints around with boundless energy. He has his Mother’s amazing curiosity,creativity and kindness.

    • @Mothobius
      @Mothobius 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He not full black but he still one of us ngas