Something that is not mentioned too much is that back in the day, we used the records to create effects. Once you got good of course you could work with what we called 'Doubles' to create loops. That required juggling the decks as Jon demonstrated. But you could also create 'slap back' echo by setting the same record a half measure out of step with the other. Then flip the crossfader back and forth to create the echo. Didn't have a flanger? Just get the records at the same speed and slightly nudge one. This creates a subtle phaser/flanger effect. Wanted an Acapella sample? Use your crossfader to run it over the top. We used mixers differently back then. Just because you used a crossfader did not make you a scratch dj. It was a tool to get the most out of your records and create excitement. Just some thoughts from a 50 something House DJ from Detroit :)
I used to play vinyl anytime and always in the 90s, it took a really long time to master the technique of mixing but it was so satisfying when you finally did and got better and better.. when cdjs first entered the market they weren't really a game changer at first, they didn't feel right and the music distribution was aimed at vinyl for dance music anyways. But the age of controllers and sync beat matching really flipped over the entire craft of djing. That thing that made the DJ was suddenly replaced by a button. It felt like years of practice were suddenly useless and the new kids were buying a controller on Monday and playing out the next Saturday. It took me some time to get over that, but now I embrace the new technologies and noticed that experience still comes a long way. Sometimes I play all vinyl nights at special occasions and it really gets me back in the feeling of these good old days, until I have to carry these crates back home again lol
I used cd decks for years, and I agree a little disheartening to have BPM sync so easy, but it got to a point I could BPM sync in 2 bars.. I don't miss it though as now I don't really worry about the timing and have much more room to decide what to play next where to fit the cuepoint in, and the DJ ing as a whole has benefitted.
@@keithlane4705 Exactly. It’s all just personal preference in the end. I prefer beatmatching by ear on vinyl, but people make it out like anyone who uses sync isn’t a real dj. It doesn’t matter, beatmatching is easy, if somebody doesn’t want to do it and would prefer to spend time on the eq’s/fx or picking the next track, so be it, who cares. Of course it’s a good skill to have, as your beat grids aren’t always going to be perfect, but still. I like vinyl cause I enjoy the aesthetic, the process, the tactility, but those vinyl superiority people just need to chill, it’s all the same in the end.
Eelco, actually having to continuously concentrate (due to beatmatching) you could more easily get in a flow. Also because recognizing records through their artwork sleeves was easier. On CDJ’s you kind of miss that flow, also seeking tracks on a screen kind of gets to into a more conscious instead of unconscious level. So all in all I don’t know if playing became ‘easier’ with new technology. Certainly it because less heavy. Frequently carrying heavy crates can break your back.
Everything comes and goes in waves. Over the past years you see a lot of people getting into vinyl again. I personally never left vinyl because I like the physical factor of owning it.
I just learned to mix with vynil. I wanted to actually learn how to dj without the computer. I did and I am so happy. It took a long time to learn and I'm still perfecting it.
Something I noticed is that it’s easier to slow down the new tune to the speed of the tune that’s playing rather than catch up to speed. If you are confused which beat is which, pitch the new tune to an obviously faster speed and then roll the pitch down to correct speed. A pan knob can really help as well if you mix in headphones so that the new tune is mostly in one ear only. Or a cue split button will achieve the same thing. Sometimes even with a monitor, the beat can reverberate around the room and make it hard to mix with one ear in the headphone and one to the monitor so mixing in headphones is a good skill to have just in case… Then the next step almost more important than beat matching is the correct spot to drop the new tune to truly merge the tunes where they play off each other well. Happy Rinsing!
The micro adjustments are what , in my opinion , make the whole charm of mixing (obviously by serious djs where it is almost but not quite perfect). Its hard, a risk , and we ante up and overcome! Its called practice😂 or delayed gratification or whatever. A satisfaction someone who starts with shortcuts will never know!
Vinyl is still well represented in - Techno, Jungle/DnB, Dub/Sound System, Hip Hop/Turntablism. Respect for letting people understand how skilful it is, there's nothing more fun than learning how to mix on wax. Agree that it's logistically very impractical to perform on wax nowadays- I have always had a very irrational and impractical love of music anyways. Vinyl DJing is contrastingly; super nerdy, and bad ass :)
djkymaera also goth ebm new beat darkwave synth pop industrial as well. LA has a lot of amazing all vinyl “goth” music DJs...there’s a late night secret spot called Faust in DTLA that is mainly all vinyl... lots of Depeche Mode nitzer ebb boy harsher being played...
Vinyl is the best. I have never touched anything else, as it never gets boring playing vinyl. I'm a vinyl addict for my love of hard house and trance. Thanks for this video as it needs to be reminded just how tough vinyl is compared to digital stuff. Sorry digital jockies, I'm strictly old school. 😎🥳
I'm also oldschool, still have the decks but I have 2 different vinyl setups, one is a pair for oldschool vintage mixing using 1200s and an analog mixer and a pair of Numark TTX connected to a Traktor S4 mixer via timecode to the laptop, when I try to mix the same songs on DVS compared to the real thing, I can notice the difference, the response and the delay between real vinyl and digital vinyl on both setups. That's why, I always use the real vinyl for mixing, I have a feeling Traktor or Serato always drifts, even if you press the sync button, the beat sometimes would go off. DVS caters to new school EDM music and the new stuff while if you play the 80s or 90s, nothing beats analog, the real thing.
@@djdecimator97 Most definitely! I have never even gone to DVS as my vinyl collection is something that I simply love. I moved from London to the USA and 70% of what we brought over was my 1500 vinyl, decks etc. For me dj'ing was about the vinyl, from buying it in a real record shop to bashing it out from the DJ pit of a dirty club in South London. You simply cannot replicate it, no matter what bs other DJs think, who are now only playing digital, which I understand why they do it as vinyl is no longer a way of playing new music.
THE TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE TODAY MAKES THINGS TOO EASY TO PICK UP AND DO ANYTHING. I NEVER WANT TO LEARN ANYTHING THAT WAY, THERE'S NO REAL WORK PUT INTO ANYTHING WHEN U USE WHAT'S OUT THERE FOR HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE. I PERSONALLY LOVE TO ALWAYS USE VINYL, NO WORRIES OF SKIPPING, POPS OR CRACKLES I LOVE ALL OF THAT SHIT! THE MISTAKES MADE WITH ACTUAL VINYL.... BEAUTIFUL. AS LONG AS I'M ALIVE I WILL BE MIXING, SCRATCHING, JUGGLING AND ALL THAT SHIT WITH PLASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!
One slight nit for the aspiring beatmatchers tuning in: it’s often times helpful to pay more attention to the highs (hi-hats, claps, etc) in the mix vs the bass or kick drums, the reason being: most of the time you are mixing two tracks you are not (or are very lightly / carefully) mixing bass frequencies, so much as high / mid frequencies. This is the reason a real dj will always sound much better than a sync dj…the kick drum is not always the best gauge for proper phrasing/beat matching, and digital software usually always beatmatches /quantizes on the kick drum.
Very good point. I noticed it myself as well. A friend of mine had to go to the bath room duing his DJ set and wasked if I could play some songs untill he got back. I did not want to change his stetinsg so I kept the auto sync on. But mixes the never the way it would have sounded if I did it by ear. Kind of off in an odd way.
I just found your channel. Your take on vinyl & digital was amazing. I have owned a Pioneer DDJ 400 for 2 years, but I have yet to open it up. Lol, I like vinyl. I went 20 years without spinning any records. Lol. In Nov of 2021 I started to mix again. Just as a hobby in my home. I forgot how much I really loved it. My ears needed time to get back in sync. Lol still do. But I love it no matter what. This video of yours is old, but not to me. Loved listening to your take between the 2. Thanks! 👍
Damn, gotta give big respects to the vinyl DJs for the work they had to put in to actually DJ back then. Technology has made everything easier and more convenient now but most people take it for granted. Imagine trying to do all the functions of a CDJ on Vinyl at a live festival. There wouldn't be any DJ picking up a mic or even taking a breather between songs lol
Gives djs the opportunity to save and options of not having to much baggage such as too many heavy stuff to haul around. I like the fact of buying digital music saving it to a drive having a little vinyl but not a lot two decks and a desktop or laptop with a dj software and some lps
Nice to see a video of this topic! I've a big passion for collecting Vinyls. The feeling of holding your music in hand and can handle it however you want is incredible for me. So in my way mixing with vinyl is a great way to work with my vinylcollection. Every Vinylset is an own project. In addition I love to see spinning vinyls. :-)
the Berghain closing sets can go 10 hours and longer try to play that with vinyl and i would say that these are top notch sets but ok you know the best sets ever
Agree with the downsides of playing vinyl you mentioned in the former video. I don't (ever) have the issue with needle skipping because someone bumps the deck. The biggest downside is the weight of carrying 2 or 3 crates with 80 records. Also not every DJ booth has record players, so you have to ask for them or bring your own. Sometimes the booth itself is too small to fit media players AND record players. I also agree with the upsides of digita you mention, like setting quepoints, analyzing tracks, no weight, lower costs, future of streaming. However, there are some downsides (to me personally) to digital dj-ing: * I know my vinyl tracks by heart. I paid for them a lot, used them a lot and know them exactly. Digital tracks are so abundant in availability and cheap that you get a different relationship with them. Having unlimited access to records, may water down your music style. * You are limited to taking 80, 160 or max 240 records with you. This means preparation. Especially if you want to bring new records, you have to decide which others you leave at home. This whole forced prepping process is better than having 10.000 records on a drive with some playlists you made before. You must be disciplined to always make playlists and not take too much digital music with you. Carl Cox said he always limits a 2 hour set to 100 tracks. Never more. * When being very concentrated I can go through my box of records and instantly find the right next record to play, because I recognize the sleeve. The biggest downside of digital dj-ing to me, is looking at a small display or a laptop to read titles of tracks, gets me out of my concentration. You get in a more 'awake' state, the best I can describe it. It disrupts the workflow and takes some of the fun away, compared to playing non-stop in a flow * I learnt mixing with records and this is now part of what they call 'muscle brain'. Just like with swimming, cycling or driving a car your muscles in your hands etc. know subconsciously how to handle stuff. For instance, it knows how hard/soft to touch the platter of a turntable to slow or speed a track up a little. I have never come to like the platters on Pioneer CDJ players. They feel plastic with little resistance. I also miss resistance in the pitch control. A recordplayer pitch control has strong resistance, on a CDJ it is super light. I like the fact that Denon does put resistance on pitch control of their recent top class players. * There is always a debate on sound quality which I don't want to get into, because maybe it is not quality, but just a feeling. To my ears my vinyl collection sounds warm and many tracks that digital dj's play, they sound "too crisp and clear" to me. Crisp and clear may mean that the sound quality is - technically speaking - better. But I also like some rawness, edgyness or slight distortion in music * Finally playing music is also about fun. I have fun with records, and off course it is about the crowd not about the DJ, but when you are having fun, this off course gets you more motivated or more "into" the night and people notice this. Automixing gets me bored and sometimes I see DJ's who have 'time left' and start playing too much with the effects on a mixer, leading to all tracks by different DJ's sounding the same. I like the music to be played like the artist made it. I do like to control the sound a bit, like a RANE MP2015 can do. That has more to do with filters and less with effects. What I do nowadays is take USB drives with me to play on CDJ's and also some records, but not too many. Never more than 2 crates. Maybe in the future only 1 crate. So you can play digital for 80% and still just for fun - mixing some records as well for own pleasure. Because I agree that records are heavy and expensive and needles are sensitive.
Many DJ's have done this. But look on TH-cam for "Cutmaster Swift (UK) - DMC World Champion 1989 -- Winning Set". At 02:00 he startes to loop (backspin)
Hi Jon! I watched this video again after 4 years and want to share a bit of my experience with beatmatching on vinyl versus on CDJs. While it is true that beatmatched songs on vinyl can drift apart, if the turntable has analog pitch control, in theory, it is possible to match tempos indefinitely. On the other hand, CDJs pitch control have a resolution of 0.02% at plus or minus 6 percent. Unless the songs are at the same tempo, it will be impossible to indefinitely beatmatch songs with different BPMs. For example, at 0.02% resolution, a 144 bpm song will go up to 144.96 and a 146 song will go down to 145.02. That 0.6 BPM difference will cause the tracks to drift apart and require pitch bending every once in a while to bring them back together. I hope this helps!
The trick is to keep your headphones on while you are mixng the songs. And make sure that in your heaphonne you only hear the song you are going to mix in. Not both! After a while you will start to hear in your headphones which track is running away before you can hear this running away in the speaker. Use whatever element in the track you can hear the best. With one song it can be the kick. With another song it can be the hi-hat or whatever. Hope this helps.
Setting the echo/delay effect for 4 beats, turning off the motor, and then doing rewinds and needle drops for the next 4 hours Cuz. Dude. You are hiyah as hayle
I started early 90s with vinyl and developed skills to be able to make both 1 and 2 to stay synced…I appreciate all djs now, I believe there are different skills with vinyl and with pushing buttons. It’s sort of like paddle shifters and manual stick shift. Both can be fun with different skills. 👍 a big difference though with vinyls that I remember, especially doing gigs was that we couldn’t dance especially when we’re mixing in during the break, we had to really manage many components and focus, versus cdj auto sync makes it possible to hype the crowd and dance 🕺
It's easier now but I think it was much more fun to DJ with vinyl! It was more crafting and hand work. Make a video about editing and make mixes on a tape recorder, real cut and paste! 😀
Hi Jon Sine! I don't know if someone has said this in the comments, but that percentage difference in RPM you're talking about in English is called "wow-and-flutter."
There's a book called How to DJ right. And even though I learned most of the beat matching in the late 1990s, this book was still a major key unlocking a deeper philosophical contribution.
@@Sydvalerik You’re welcome. I posted some short videos of myself mixing on records and I hope soon to broadcast myself more I just don’t have much time. But I love it!
This was a really interesting video, and kind of reassuring, as someone who is trying to mix with vinyl exclusively and finds it hard to do with much consistency. I guess the main point is practice, practice, practice!
Great video. I started out DJ'ing with vinyl. Loved it and I never stopped loving it. Although in recent years I have DJ'ed also a lot with DJ Controllers and CD players. In my vinyl days I played a lot of music that wasn't made with a computer and would change tempo every second. The one thing i learned from it was to never let go of the pitch control so that i could constantly adjust the tempo and keep the two records in sync.
@@YUGEBBQ much like the difference in an upright piano and a baby grand. There’s nothing wrong with the upright and people can produce some fine music on it, but most talented pianists would rather perform on a grand. A grand piano usually sounds better than an upright, just like a Technics 1200 turntable usually sounds better than a Hanpin (the Taiwanese company that manufactures almost all non-Technics deejay turntables available today). However the difference is not dramatic, and would never be noticed by the vast majority of people. Technics is not at all the only high-quality option for deejays. Beyond that, there are differences in the power and torque of the direct-drive motors used in all these machines, including differences within the Technics 1200 line itself. Other differences are minor, with the exception of the customizable buttons that seem to be unique to the Reloop RP-8000.
@@robsemail I will buy two turntables and a mixer soon, I will be going mid range as a beginner and to save money. But someday I would love to have technics, they look great in a living room with a bunch of house records stacked beside them. Thanks for taking the time to reply.😎👍
Here we normally play with CDJ 350's, what are your thoughts on them? Beatmatching on them without analyzed tracks sometimes gets tricky and you have to be on top of them all the time, also no FX on the mixer, I think it's way more fun for the one that's DJing and also a lot harder than mixing with a controller connected to a PC with a program that corrects everything
I hadn't mixed since 2010, kept my vinyl, thought i could bounce into vinyl mixing straight away like i used to...hmmm, it's difficult, to be honest, i'm not sure how i used to do it. Practice. I would say get a good turntable to start with. This time around i punted for reloop rp7000mk2 and they should make the job a bit easier hopefully.
I have one question I am not professional dj but I want to buy one good turntable not very expensive for my enjoyment for my vinyl and one question more when I make scratch on the vinyl I don’t ruin it do I need some special vinyl for scratching
I got some technics 1210s at home as well as xdjs theres nothing more fun than chasing the other track with the pitch! Kinda what i hate about today is you dont need to be skilled no more to be a dj...
Luke Bradford couldn’t have put it better myself. Also, when you get those tracks that just won’t lock up and you gotta chase the mix (there’s just movement right) and playing around the dead zero light. Love it. 👍
Youre not entirely right. You dont have to be skilled to beatmatch these days. But being a dj still takes exactly the same it did back then. Knowing what to play and when which song goes with which. That will always take skill that no machine can ever replace
@@Flijingpanda mate with all due respect theres a beatmatch button on the xdjs and you can see the key of every track on the screen. It takes all the guess work out of it they are fool proof😂 which has its benefits as the last time i did a local festival the tent walls were firing back the snares and hats completly off the beat and it was quite hard to mix at the time so the auto beatmatch was a god send in that situation. Im not hating just times have changed and so has djing. Its all about effects now rather that beatmatching.
I still use vinyl exclusively. 25 years and still going. It's so much more fun to watch and has way more soul. And it actually requires skill. Any poser can use a controller.
Any “poser” can use a pair of technics too! Doesn’t necessarily mean he/she is gonna use them well. Same thing goes for a controller. This vinyl superiority that a lot of people have have is just corny. A controller doesn’t DJ for you for, you know lol. Yes it has a sync button (so do CDJs) but DJing isn’t just beat matching.
Excellent video.. Some may be a little vex but you told the truth.. You actually remembered the old years and spoke so passionately about being in the zone, that's rare and I'm with you on that one.
I've recently went back to crate digging and playing sets of my old records. As a perfectionist when it comes to beat matching, mixing vinyl is a pain in the ass. No matter how perfect you think you got it they always wander with the wow and flutter on the decks. I've played on every format over the last 30 years and there is something special about playing vinyl and people seem to love seeing it done. But I'll always use digital for new music, got time code but it's crazy to give myself a hard time with tempo when I can mix easily on digital (I don't ever use sync, don't trust it)
Basically he's telling what the craft used to be like. I'm learning to mix myself with vinyl. Tried with digital and despite liking the add one it can offer I got bored with it. There is something digital can't get you, the feeling of the record on your fingertips, the groove going through your body and having to chase it with the pitch. You'll probably want to throw your decks through the window a few times. But crafts take time and practice.
Do you ever use your Denon players and in the middle of a mixset just play a record or two to mix thigs up a bit before returning to your platters again?
The best feeling was that time when you first learn to beat match, and you build your own set with transitions and intros etc....it was alot of work but very satisfying. Then you start playing with Instrumentals and Accapellas etc...wow brings back memories :)
I djed my cousins friend birthday graduation party she hired a dj I asked if I can spin he set the tables up battle position since I'm used to the format I was only 17. He had to crates of albums he trusted me enough to take care the gear he left and chilled in the van and liked the way I spinned. The crowd was digging it I'll never forget that.
great vid. I recently got myself a pair of TTs and I am buying some old vinyls I liked when used to go to clubs back then. And oh boy it is been a pain to get mixes sounding great. Things have changed and djing on CDJs / Players are much more practical indeed. But the main task of the DJ remains the same: choose the right tracks for your crowd.
10:28 yeah, that's my practice - use some certain records for scratch effects, and some certain songs, on the turntables, and use the controller for most of the music. But I really want to grab those SC's and replace the controller and laptop with them.
ItsFUCKINGGG hard. I have djed since 96. Its never been easy. You also have to be attentive. You cant have your track run out. Skips are a no no. you need to make sure your vinyls in tip top shape. Buy replacements. Its annoying baby sitting music, But, Its more fun! Sounds better in my ears due to wow and fluutter. Small micro differemces in the vinyl make it sound better between tracks. I love my 7 minute mixes. I like 4 decks. And I am so glad I have this in my arsenal. U gotta master it. Also, you have to be able to scratch a little bit imo. Buy a battle record and practice. If you dont practice. You do lose it a little too. I learnt off a really strict dj who actively played out. He was the best ive heard. Never messes up, has many styles of mixing. For me, i really like a classic style of mixing.
I love this video as it gives a good insight and the pros and cons. I still DJ vinyl particularly 7" and still love the sound and art form. Your video helps explain the culture and how both forms can coexist. Thank you!
you got it right, dj's think they have to do something with all the new time they have, so the mixes last a minute or so and accordingly individual dance music song structure is boring
I’m a vinyl DJ. For me vinyl is the one and only thing. I don’t need sync buttons. I have my ears working. Sad that everything is digital now. I have to collect older vinyl records.
Until you try it, its hard to explain but mixing on vinyl is just completely different to mixing on CDJS, its alot more physical, it forces you to listen to the track and phrases, do a week of vinyl mixing and then go back to cdjs it is very strange.
Tbh I think its more about different techniques than one being better than the other. Sure, playing vi yls might feel more ”authentic” and be more fun for the DJ, but it might not be as interesting to the listeners
To be fair you should never touch the platter while mixing. Because you hear it speeding up and down. Also you never touch a spindal on the turntables for the same reason above. And if you get the beat in right the decks do hold and play together and thats how you get you phazing but you shouldn't be touching the decks at all unless cuing,beat juggling,scratchnig ect.
The entry barrier is much lower now but the challenge of good track selection still remains. If people want to rock out with decks and a mixer like it’s 1998 then have fun at the chiropractor. I’m not interested in dislocating my joints carrying 80-150 records around. I’m not interested in my records getting covered in dust, sweat, finger prints, spit etc. I’m not interested in having to ride the bass to control vibration feedback and I’m CERTAINLY not interested in having to constantly watch my crate so some grotty git doesn’t nick off with an original 1979 pressing of Funky Town.
You are absolutely right about turntables, in particular 1210s. I have had a set since the age of 17 and I'm now 41. Over the years I have had the various different pioneer serious turntables ranging from the 1000 to the 2000 series. I have felt with the old way of mixing that it is a little more fun due to the fact that you have to "ride" the beats until the end and that in effect it is in essence the DJ. The modern DJ is dead. Do it the old way, your a dj............... if you can't ride it until the end well then your f$%^'ed and hang up your gloves and let the real DJs (older lads) take over .............
It’s not that expensive compared to normal DJing. ~600€ for Mixer and two turntables. You can get a lot of good second hand Vinyl for a low price(3-10€).
I think lots of people are getting back into vinyl it's a way to supper an artist. there is almost too much crap out there flooding the download sites. I like seeing10- 20 new tracks a day not 500 😂 probably 10k dance tunes a day put out if it was to be cut on vinyl it would be 100
I'm a wannabe DJ. I think the biggest downside to vinyl is that you can't find everything you want in vinyl, and if you do, you're paying a shit ton for maybe one good song. Digital is the future.
Something that is not mentioned too much is that back in the day, we used the records to create effects. Once you got good of course you could work with what we called 'Doubles' to create loops. That required juggling the decks as Jon demonstrated. But you could also create 'slap back' echo by setting the same record a half measure out of step with the other. Then flip the crossfader back and forth to create the echo. Didn't have a flanger? Just get the records at the same speed and slightly nudge one. This creates a subtle phaser/flanger effect. Wanted an Acapella sample? Use your crossfader to run it over the top. We used mixers differently back then. Just because you used a crossfader did not make you a scratch dj. It was a tool to get the most out of your records and create excitement. Just some thoughts from a 50 something House DJ from Detroit :)
Been Djing since the early 90’s all vinyl. Biggest pro tip - once you master how to cue your track. The key to beat matching is riding the pitch.
Yes, that was the phrase i was looking.
I used to play vinyl anytime and always in the 90s, it took a really long time to master the technique of mixing but it was so satisfying when you finally did and got better and better.. when cdjs first entered the market they weren't really a game changer at first, they didn't feel right and the music distribution was aimed at vinyl for dance music anyways. But the age of controllers and sync beat matching really flipped over the entire craft of djing. That thing that made the DJ was suddenly replaced by a button. It felt like years of practice were suddenly useless and the new kids were buying a controller on Monday and playing out the next Saturday. It took me some time to get over that, but now I embrace the new technologies and noticed that experience still comes a long way. Sometimes I play all vinyl nights at special occasions and it really gets me back in the feeling of these good old days, until I have to carry these crates back home again lol
I used cd decks for years, and I agree a little disheartening to have BPM sync so easy, but it got to a point I could BPM sync in 2 bars.. I don't miss it though as now I don't really worry about the timing and have much more room to decide what to play next where to fit the cuepoint in, and the DJ ing as a whole has benefitted.
@@keithlane4705 Exactly. It’s all just personal preference in the end. I prefer beatmatching by ear on vinyl, but people make it out like anyone who uses sync isn’t a real dj. It doesn’t matter, beatmatching is easy, if somebody doesn’t want to do it and would prefer to spend time on the eq’s/fx or picking the next track, so be it, who cares. Of course it’s a good skill to have, as your beat grids aren’t always going to be perfect, but still. I like vinyl cause I enjoy the aesthetic, the process, the tactility, but those vinyl superiority people just need to chill, it’s all the same in the end.
I always feel my records constantly speed up and down which is impossible to long mix
Eelco, actually having to continuously concentrate (due to beatmatching) you could more easily get in a flow. Also because recognizing records through their artwork sleeves was easier. On CDJ’s you kind of miss that flow, also seeking tracks on a screen kind of gets to into a more conscious instead of unconscious level. So all in all I don’t know if playing became ‘easier’ with new technology. Certainly it because less heavy. Frequently carrying heavy crates can break your back.
Everything comes and goes in waves. Over the past years you see a lot of people getting into vinyl again. I personally never left vinyl because I like the physical factor of owning it.
I just learned to mix with vynil. I wanted to actually learn how to dj without the computer. I did and I am so happy. It took a long time to learn and I'm still perfecting it.
Well done!
how much time did it got you to really learn it? thank you i’m starting too
I'm in the same process! Also collecting good records as long
Something I noticed is that it’s easier to slow down the new tune to the speed of the tune that’s playing rather than catch up to speed. If you are confused which beat is which, pitch the new tune to an obviously faster speed and then roll the pitch down to correct speed. A pan knob can really help as well if you mix in headphones so that the new tune is mostly in one ear only. Or a cue split button will achieve the same thing. Sometimes even with a monitor, the beat can reverberate around the room and make it hard to mix with one ear in the headphone and one to the monitor so mixing in headphones is a good skill to have just in case… Then the next step almost more important than beat matching is the correct spot to drop the new tune to truly merge the tunes where they play off each other well. Happy Rinsing!
The micro adjustments are what , in my opinion , make the whole charm of mixing (obviously by serious djs where it is almost but not quite perfect). Its hard, a risk , and we ante up and overcome! Its called practice😂 or delayed gratification or whatever. A satisfaction someone who starts with shortcuts will never know!
Vinyl is still well represented in - Techno, Jungle/DnB, Dub/Sound System, Hip Hop/Turntablism. Respect for letting people understand how skilful it is, there's nothing more fun than learning how to mix on wax. Agree that it's logistically very impractical to perform on wax nowadays- I have always had a very irrational and impractical love of music anyways.
Vinyl DJing is contrastingly; super nerdy, and bad ass :)
djkymaera also goth ebm new beat darkwave synth pop industrial as well. LA has a lot of amazing all vinyl “goth” music DJs...there’s a late night secret spot called Faust in DTLA that is mainly all vinyl... lots of Depeche Mode nitzer ebb boy harsher being played...
Yes it is bad ass which is why I have never touched anything else.
Vinyl is the best. I have never touched anything else, as it never gets boring playing vinyl. I'm a vinyl addict for my love of hard house and trance. Thanks for this video as it needs to be reminded just how tough vinyl is compared to digital stuff. Sorry digital jockies, I'm strictly old school. 😎🥳
I'm also oldschool, still have the decks but I have 2 different vinyl setups, one is a pair for oldschool vintage mixing using 1200s and an analog mixer and a pair of Numark TTX connected to a Traktor S4 mixer via timecode to the laptop, when I try to mix the same songs on DVS compared to the real thing, I can notice the difference, the response and the delay between real vinyl and digital vinyl on both setups. That's why, I always use the real vinyl for mixing, I have a feeling Traktor or Serato always drifts, even if you press the sync button, the beat sometimes would go off. DVS caters to new school EDM music and the new stuff while if you play the 80s or 90s, nothing beats analog, the real thing.
@@djdecimator97 Most definitely! I have never even gone to DVS as my vinyl collection is something that I simply love. I moved from London to the USA and 70% of what we brought over was my 1500 vinyl, decks etc. For me dj'ing was about the vinyl, from buying it in a real record shop to bashing it out from the DJ pit of a dirty club in South London. You simply cannot replicate it, no matter what bs other DJs think, who are now only playing digital, which I understand why they do it as vinyl is no longer a way of playing new music.
THE TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE TODAY MAKES THINGS TOO EASY TO PICK UP AND DO ANYTHING. I NEVER WANT TO LEARN ANYTHING THAT WAY, THERE'S NO REAL WORK PUT INTO ANYTHING WHEN U USE WHAT'S OUT THERE FOR HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE. I PERSONALLY LOVE TO ALWAYS USE VINYL, NO WORRIES OF SKIPPING, POPS OR CRACKLES I LOVE ALL OF THAT SHIT! THE MISTAKES MADE WITH ACTUAL VINYL.... BEAUTIFUL. AS LONG AS I'M ALIVE I WILL BE MIXING, SCRATCHING, JUGGLING AND ALL THAT SHIT WITH PLASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!
One slight nit for the aspiring beatmatchers tuning in: it’s often times helpful to pay more attention to the highs (hi-hats, claps, etc) in the mix vs the bass or kick drums, the reason being: most of the time you are mixing two tracks you are not (or are very lightly / carefully) mixing bass frequencies, so much as high / mid frequencies. This is the reason a real dj will always sound much better than a sync dj…the kick drum is not always the best gauge for proper phrasing/beat matching, and digital software usually always beatmatches /quantizes on the kick drum.
Very good point. I noticed it myself as well. A friend of mine had to go to the bath room duing his DJ set and wasked if I could play some songs untill he got back. I did not want to change his stetinsg so I kept the auto sync on. But mixes the never the way it would have sounded if I did it by ear. Kind of off in an odd way.
Dumb machines
I just found your channel. Your take on vinyl & digital was amazing. I have owned a Pioneer DDJ 400 for 2 years, but I have yet to open it up. Lol, I like vinyl. I went 20 years without spinning any records. Lol. In Nov of 2021 I started to mix again. Just as a hobby in my home. I forgot how much I really loved it. My ears needed time to get back in sync. Lol still do. But I love it no matter what. This video of yours is old, but not to me. Loved listening to your take between the 2. Thanks! 👍
I respect the people who still DJ in Vinnyl. I like these Vinnyl dj stuff you put out. It's cool.
I'm 55 years old and don't want to be push button DJ. Just converted back to vinyl 🔊
The only buttons I like to push is on my keyboard synthenzier 🎹
yea, good for you. Never left vinyl, I just ad some timecode vinyl in the mix sometimes
Boomer
@@bruhology6437 bro that meme was from like 2 years ago
don't bash these harmless people for participating in the making of music
Still mainly play vinyl. It's just so much more fun. And people often appreciate the effort.
Damn, gotta give big respects to the vinyl DJs for the work they had to put in to actually DJ back then. Technology has made everything easier and more convenient now but most people take it for granted. Imagine trying to do all the functions of a CDJ on Vinyl at a live festival. There wouldn't be any DJ picking up a mic or even taking a breather between songs lol
Gives djs the opportunity to save and options of not having to much baggage such as too many heavy stuff to haul around. I like the fact of buying digital music saving it to a drive having a little vinyl but not a lot two decks and a desktop or laptop with a dj software and some lps
Nice to see a video of this topic! I've a big passion for collecting Vinyls. The feeling of holding your music in hand and can handle it however you want is incredible for me. So in my way mixing with vinyl is a great way to work with my vinylcollection. Every Vinylset is an own project. In addition I love to see spinning vinyls. :-)
The best sets ever done in history have been done on vinyl
the Berghain closing sets can go 10 hours and longer try to play that with vinyl and i would say that these are top notch sets but ok you know the best sets ever
@@Guccislipper Freddy K plays vinyl and his closings are among the best :)
@@julianbeing true
@@Guccislipper Thats doesnt dispute that the best sets have been done on Vinyl. Its like saying James Brown doesn't matter because Bruno Mars exists.
@@Guccislipper berghain music fucking sucks, lol
I've loved Vinyl turntables since the mid 70's on my 4th pair, I'm old skool not down with controllers or Laptop's takes the fun away
@Jon Sine - wow and flutter - term used to describe drifting / not staying locked.
Agree with the downsides of playing vinyl you mentioned in the former video. I don't (ever) have the issue with needle skipping because someone bumps the deck. The biggest downside is the weight of carrying 2 or 3 crates with 80 records. Also not every DJ booth has record players, so you have to ask for them or bring your own. Sometimes the booth itself is too small to fit media players AND record players. I also agree with the upsides of digita you mention, like setting quepoints, analyzing tracks, no weight, lower costs, future of streaming. However, there are some downsides (to me personally) to digital dj-ing:
* I know my vinyl tracks by heart. I paid for them a lot, used them a lot and know them exactly. Digital tracks are so abundant in availability and cheap that you get a different relationship with them. Having unlimited access to records, may water down your music style.
* You are limited to taking 80, 160 or max 240 records with you. This means preparation. Especially if you want to bring new records, you have to decide which others you leave at home. This whole forced prepping process is better than having 10.000 records on a drive with some playlists you made before. You must be disciplined to always make playlists and not take too much digital music with you. Carl Cox said he always limits a 2 hour set to 100 tracks. Never more.
* When being very concentrated I can go through my box of records and instantly find the right next record to play, because I recognize the sleeve. The biggest downside of digital dj-ing to me, is looking at a small display or a laptop to read titles of tracks, gets me out of my concentration. You get in a more 'awake' state, the best I can describe it. It disrupts the workflow and takes some of the fun away, compared to playing non-stop in a flow
* I learnt mixing with records and this is now part of what they call 'muscle brain'. Just like with swimming, cycling or driving a car your muscles in your hands etc. know subconsciously how to handle stuff. For instance, it knows how hard/soft to touch the platter of a turntable to slow or speed a track up a little. I have never come to like the platters on Pioneer CDJ players. They feel plastic with little resistance. I also miss resistance in the pitch control. A recordplayer pitch control has strong resistance, on a CDJ it is super light. I like the fact that Denon does put resistance on pitch control of their recent top class players.
* There is always a debate on sound quality which I don't want to get into, because maybe it is not quality, but just a feeling. To my ears my vinyl collection sounds warm and many tracks that digital dj's play, they sound "too crisp and clear" to me. Crisp and clear may mean that the sound quality is - technically speaking - better. But I also like some rawness, edgyness or slight distortion in music
* Finally playing music is also about fun. I have fun with records, and off course it is about the crowd not about the DJ, but when you are having fun, this off course gets you more motivated or more "into" the night and people notice this. Automixing gets me bored and sometimes I see DJ's who have 'time left' and start playing too much with the effects on a mixer, leading to all tracks by different DJ's sounding the same. I like the music to be played like the artist made it. I do like to control the sound a bit, like a RANE MP2015 can do. That has more to do with filters and less with effects.
What I do nowadays is take USB drives with me to play on CDJ's and also some records, but not too many. Never more than 2 crates. Maybe in the future only 1 crate. So you can play digital for 80% and still just for fun - mixing some records as well for own pleasure. Because I agree that records are heavy and expensive and needles are sensitive.
Nice to read!
Thanks man! Does anyone know a DJ that can actually do the loop on camera? I would love to see that kind of skill!
Many DJ's have done this. But look on TH-cam for "Cutmaster Swift (UK) - DMC World Champion 1989 -- Winning Set". At 02:00 he startes to loop (backspin)
Hi Jon! I watched this video again after 4 years and want to share a bit of my experience with beatmatching on vinyl versus on CDJs. While it is true that beatmatched songs on vinyl can drift apart, if the turntable has analog pitch control, in theory, it is possible to match tempos indefinitely. On the other hand, CDJs pitch control have a resolution of 0.02% at plus or minus 6 percent. Unless the songs are at the same tempo, it will be impossible to indefinitely beatmatch songs with different BPMs. For example, at 0.02% resolution, a 144 bpm song will go up to 144.96 and a 146 song will go down to 145.02. That 0.6 BPM difference will cause the tracks to drift apart and require pitch bending every once in a while to bring them back together. I hope this helps!
I'm learning on vinyl i can finally keep the tracks on beat but not for long i can never tell which track is running away.
The trick is to keep your headphones on while you are mixng the songs. And make sure that in your heaphonne you only hear the song you are going to mix in. Not both! After a while you will start to hear in your headphones which track is running away before you can hear this running away in the speaker. Use whatever element in the track you can hear the best. With one song it can be the kick. With another song it can be the hi-hat or whatever. Hope this helps.
Which setup/ hardware for vinyl mixing you would recommend?
Hello Jon! Can you tell me which one sounds better? Vinyl or CD or any other digital ? Thanks
Super Video. Danke für die Hilfe.
Setting the echo/delay effect for 4 beats, turning off the motor, and then doing rewinds and needle drops for the next 4 hours Cuz. Dude. You are hiyah as hayle
I started early 90s with vinyl and developed skills to be able to make both 1 and 2 to stay synced…I appreciate all djs now, I believe there are different skills with vinyl and with pushing buttons. It’s sort of like paddle shifters and manual stick shift. Both can be fun with different skills. 👍 a big difference though with vinyls that I remember, especially doing gigs was that we couldn’t dance especially when we’re mixing in during the break, we had to really manage many components and focus, versus cdj auto sync makes it possible to hype the crowd and dance 🕺
Great Vid, thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge! People often have no idea about vinyl DJing these days...
It's easier now but I think it was much more fun to DJ with vinyl! It was more crafting and hand work. Make a video about editing and make mixes on a tape recorder, real cut and paste! 😀
yes defiantly
Hi Jon Sine! I don't know if someone has said this in the comments, but that percentage difference in RPM you're talking about in English is called "wow-and-flutter."
It entertaining to watch a vinyl DJ preform
There's a book called How to DJ right. And even though I learned most of the beat matching in the late 1990s, this book was still a major key unlocking a deeper philosophical contribution.
Whats the name of the Book?
Can i have the name?
@@Sydvalerik How to DJ Right: The Art and Science of Playing Records by Frank Broughton.
@@djmixin1 thanks a lot men, thanks so munch because im gonna play soon with some vinyls and i want to know more
@@Sydvalerik You’re welcome. I posted some short videos of myself mixing on records and I hope soon to broadcast myself more I just don’t have much time. But I love it!
REMEMBER HAVE TO LEARN BEAT MIXING TWICE FROM BELT DRIVE DECKS , THEN STEPPING UP TO DIRECT DRIVE TECHNICS 1210S
This was a really interesting video, and kind of reassuring, as someone who is trying to mix with vinyl exclusively and finds it hard to do with much consistency. I guess the main point is practice, practice, practice!
Can you do a video scratching on vinyl?
I haven't trained in years so I'm probably the wrong one to make a video about scratching
@@Jonsine all the more fun!
Did it in the 1980's - Singles, LP, MAXIS - approx. 6 hours a night. ONLY mixing, No scratching.
Hard work, but fun!
Great video. I started out DJ'ing with vinyl. Loved it and I never stopped loving it. Although in recent years I have DJ'ed also a lot with DJ Controllers and CD players. In my vinyl days I played a lot of music that wasn't made with a computer and would change tempo every second. The one thing i learned from it was to never let go of the pitch control so that i could constantly adjust the tempo and keep the two records in sync.
My brother in law would put quarters on the needle to prevent skipping… thats that old school djing….. things will never be the same again😞
Farmers use Traktors.
DJs use Technics.
Facts!! This dude is talking outta his ass
Amen amen amen
I have no clue about dj'n can someone tell me the difference between technics and lower level brands?
@@YUGEBBQ much like the difference in an upright piano and a baby grand. There’s nothing wrong with the upright and people can produce some fine music on it, but most talented pianists would rather perform on a grand. A grand piano usually sounds better than an upright, just like a Technics 1200 turntable usually sounds better than a Hanpin (the Taiwanese company that manufactures almost all non-Technics deejay turntables available today). However the difference is not dramatic, and would never be noticed by the vast majority of people. Technics is not at all the only high-quality option for deejays.
Beyond that, there are differences in the power and torque of the direct-drive motors used in all these machines, including differences within the Technics 1200 line itself. Other differences are minor, with the exception of the customizable buttons that seem to be unique to the Reloop RP-8000.
@@robsemail I will buy two turntables and a mixer soon, I will be going mid range as a beginner and to save money. But someday I would love to have technics, they look great in a living room with a bunch of house records stacked beside them. Thanks for taking the time to reply.😎👍
Here we normally play with CDJ 350's, what are your thoughts on them? Beatmatching on them without analyzed tracks sometimes gets tricky and you have to be on top of them all the time, also no FX on the mixer, I think it's way more fun for the one that's DJing and also a lot harder than mixing with a controller connected to a PC with a program that corrects everything
you'll definitely need more skill with the 350's
I think 'tiny tiny' unmatching beats could be fascinating..let you think that behind booth there's a human person ;)
Hard really
It’s sad, I used to DJ to get away from the computer for a bit.
You can still do that on CDJs. Or you can load up songs on the computer to a controller and just mix with your ears
You are so humble.. Love your style😁😁
I hadn't mixed since 2010, kept my vinyl, thought i could bounce into vinyl mixing straight away like i used to...hmmm, it's difficult, to be honest, i'm not sure how i used to do it. Practice. I would say get a good turntable to start with. This time around i punted for reloop rp7000mk2 and they should make the job a bit easier hopefully.
It's a lot harder than what most people think. 👍!
You need to play music live in your videos with that setup of yours. Would be great
I sometimes do :)
I have one question I am not professional dj but I want to buy one good turntable not very expensive for my enjoyment for my vinyl and one question more when I make scratch on the vinyl I don’t ruin it do I need some special vinyl for scratching
wow... can i have ur turntable.. i have my table but its to old.
I got some technics 1210s at home as well as xdjs theres nothing more fun than chasing the other track with the pitch! Kinda what i hate about today is you dont need to be skilled no more to be a dj...
Luke, I love you!! same here!! :))
Luke Bradford couldn’t have put it better myself. Also, when you get those tracks that just won’t lock up and you gotta chase the mix (there’s just movement right) and playing around the dead zero light. Love it. 👍
Youre not entirely right. You dont have to be skilled to beatmatch these days. But being a dj still takes exactly the same it did back then. Knowing what to play and when which song goes with which. That will always take skill that no machine can ever replace
@@Flijingpanda mate with all due respect theres a beatmatch button on the xdjs and you can see the key of every track on the screen. It takes all the guess work out of it they are fool proof😂 which has its benefits as the last time i did a local festival the tent walls were firing back the snares and hats completly off the beat and it was quite hard to mix at the time so the auto beatmatch was a god send in that situation. Im not hating just times have changed and so has djing. Its all about effects now rather that beatmatching.
Trance or house djs downloading tracks off the Internet and using software isn't a skill. Sorry.
I still use vinyl exclusively. 25 years and still going. It's so much more fun to watch and has way more soul. And it actually requires skill. Any poser can use a controller.
Any “poser” can use a pair of technics too! Doesn’t necessarily mean he/she is gonna use them well. Same thing goes for a controller. This vinyl superiority that a lot of people have have is just corny. A controller doesn’t DJ for you for, you know lol. Yes it has a sync button (so do CDJs) but DJing isn’t just beat matching.
@@ukjamaican4488 In short, It's the DJ or Operator, not the gear/machine!
Excellent video.. Some may be a little vex but you told the truth.. You actually remembered the old years and spoke so passionately about being in the zone, that's rare and I'm with you on that one.
where did you get the desk?
And people try to say DJing is the same these days. Its not even close
Yeah its hard to explain but they are just 2 completely different things achieving the same thing
I've recently went back to crate digging and playing sets of my old records. As a perfectionist when it comes to beat matching, mixing vinyl is a pain in the ass. No matter how perfect you think you got it they always wander with the wow and flutter on the decks. I've played on every format over the last 30 years and there is something special about playing vinyl and people seem to love seeing it done. But I'll always use digital for new music, got time code but it's crazy to give myself a hard time with tempo when I can mix easily on digital (I don't ever use sync, don't trust it)
Basically he's telling what the craft used to be like. I'm learning to mix myself with vinyl. Tried with digital and despite liking the add one it can offer I got bored with it. There is something digital can't get you, the feeling of the record on your fingertips, the groove going through your body and having to chase it with the pitch. You'll probably want to throw your decks through the window a few times. But crafts take time and practice.
Do you ever use your Denon players and in the middle of a mixset just play a record or two to mix thigs up a bit before returning to your platters again?
vinyl will always be king :)
Have you ever considered using DVS where the vinyl is timecode but you DJ using the laptop?
I used to dj with serato but it combines a lot of disadvantages of both worlds
good job, maybe more people will appreciate playing vinyl
The best feeling was that time when you first learn to beat match, and you build your own set with transitions and intros etc....it was alot of work but very satisfying. Then you start playing with Instrumentals and Accapellas etc...wow brings back memories :)
I djed my cousins friend birthday graduation party she hired a dj I asked if I can spin he set the tables up battle position since I'm used to the format I was only 17. He had to crates of albums he trusted me enough to take care the gear he left and chilled in the van and liked the way I spinned. The crowd was digging it I'll never forget that.
He had two crates of albums
great vid.
I recently got myself a pair of TTs and I am buying some old vinyls I liked when used to go to clubs back then. And oh boy it is been a pain to get mixes sounding great.
Things have changed and djing on CDJs / Players are much more practical indeed. But the main task of the DJ remains the same: choose the right tracks for your crowd.
is so cool
10:28 yeah, that's my practice - use some certain records for scratch effects, and some certain songs, on the turntables, and use the controller for most of the music. But I really want to grab those SC's and replace the controller and laptop with them.
ItsFUCKINGGG hard. I have djed since 96. Its never been easy. You also have to be attentive. You cant have your track run out. Skips are a no no. you need to make sure your vinyls in tip top shape. Buy replacements. Its annoying baby sitting music, But, Its more fun! Sounds better in my ears due to wow and fluutter. Small micro differemces in the vinyl make it sound better between tracks. I love my 7 minute mixes. I like 4 decks. And I am so glad I have this in my arsenal. U gotta master it. Also, you have to be able to scratch a little bit imo. Buy a battle record and practice. If you dont practice. You do lose it a little too. I learnt off a really strict dj who actively played out. He was the best ive heard. Never messes up, has many styles of mixing. For me, i really like a classic style of mixing.
Es un sueño 😍🎶🎶🎶🙌 buenas noches 🌌🌌✨✨
Earned a subscriber bro that was a great video
I hope vinyl DJing makes a comeback. There are wedding couples that are willing to pay the skills tax.
Awesome! Thank you
I love this video as it gives a good insight and the pros and cons. I still DJ vinyl particularly 7" and still love the sound and art form. Your video helps explain the culture and how both forms can coexist. Thank you!
You have to buy for every song a new vinyl? And you have to switch it every 3 minutes? Thats hard
Mixing with vinyl is like playing Tetris on level 10... for 3 hours.
really useful video, thank you Jon.
when DJing is much more skill bound
Frankly, it’s so easy now. I don’t even use headphones.
Great Video , and nicely explained.
Was sagst du zu Timecode Platten und anderen Programmen für Plattenspieler?
hatte ich mal aber zum teil hat man dann die Nachteile aus beiden Welten.
you got it right, dj's think they have to do something with all the new time they have, so the mixes last a minute or so and accordingly individual dance music song structure is boring
I’m a vinyl DJ. For me vinyl is the one and only thing. I don’t need sync buttons. I have my ears working. Sad that everything is digital now. I have to collect older vinyl records.
Before all of this there was DJ Kool Herc, Grand Master Flash, & Grand Wizzard Theodore!
Gleichlaufschwankung is a fantastic term
yeah almost as good as ultrahoheserhitzungsverfahren was always on the back of my milk
agree. German language sounds great sometimes. Still dont know the proper english translation for Gleichlaufschwankung... speed fluctuation?
well i defo miss the good old days, but as you say tech moves on things become easier
They Called Digital Pitch & Analog Pitch Between Turntables and CD Player
Paul Oakenfold - Traveling CD2 was actually from vinyl :)
Until you try it, its hard to explain but mixing on vinyl is just completely different to mixing on CDJS, its alot more physical, it forces you to listen to the track and phrases, do a week of vinyl mixing and then go back to cdjs it is very strange.
On average according to Grandmaster Flash, 4 bars forward would require 6 counter clockwise rotations at 100BPM.
How did you need 100 records for an hour?? Did you play 20 seconds of every record?
Nice!!
My opinion is that djs have to start learn vinyl for training your ears after that move to mediaplayer
Tbh I think its more about different techniques than one being better than the other. Sure, playing vi yls might feel more ”authentic” and be more fun for the DJ, but it might not be as interesting to the listeners
AND I DON'T USE STICKERS EITHER.
To be fair you should never touch the platter while mixing.
Because you hear it speeding up and down.
Also you never touch a spindal on the turntables for the same reason above.
And if you get the beat in right the decks do hold and play together and thats how you get you phazing but you shouldn't be touching the decks at all unless cuing,beat juggling,scratchnig ect.
Y'all want things done for you. I'm so glad I'm cut from the cloth of vinyl.
The entry barrier is much lower now but the challenge of good track selection still remains. If people want to rock out with decks and a mixer like it’s 1998 then have fun at the chiropractor. I’m not interested in dislocating my joints carrying 80-150 records around. I’m not interested in my records getting covered in dust, sweat, finger prints, spit etc. I’m not interested in having to ride the bass to control vibration feedback and I’m CERTAINLY not interested in having to constantly watch my crate so some grotty git doesn’t nick off with an original 1979 pressing of Funky Town.
You are absolutely right about turntables, in particular 1210s. I have had a set since the age of 17 and I'm now 41. Over the years I have had the various different pioneer serious turntables ranging from the 1000 to the 2000 series. I have felt with the old way of mixing that it is a little more fun due to the fact that you have to "ride" the beats until the end and that in effect it is in essence the DJ. The modern DJ is dead. Do it the old way, your a dj............... if you can't ride it until the end well then your f$%^'ed and hang up your gloves and let the real DJs (older lads) take over
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I would really Love to learn it but it's to expensive ...
It’s not that expensive compared to normal DJing.
~600€ for Mixer and two turntables. You can get a lot of good second hand Vinyl for a low price(3-10€).
@@psspls lol what world are you live in?
I think lots of people are getting back into vinyl it's a way to supper an artist. there is almost too much crap out there flooding the download sites. I like seeing10- 20 new tracks a day not 500 😂 probably 10k dance tunes a day put out if it was to be cut on vinyl it would be 100
So ur just gonna talk and not mix any vinyl?
VINYL WAS USED FOR DJING BEFORE AND THERE WAS NO PROBLEM THESE DAYS BECUASE OF TECHNOLOGY OF TODAY , DJS HAVE BECOME SO LAZY AND UNSKILFUL
I'm a wannabe DJ. I think the biggest downside to vinyl is that you can't find everything you want in vinyl, and if you do, you're paying a shit ton for maybe one good song. Digital is the future.
it takes.years.to.master.12.10's.it.will.do.ur.head.in
That's what the numbers on my counsel means lol....humm that will be easier will try that save me riding the pitch slider 😆