To the people who say axis longboards are too expensive let me point out that i have had my axis pedals for 11 years and they still play just as good as they did the day i bought them so for me they were worth every penny.
it's a really good review, I liked it a lot, 'cause it encircles most of the features I wanted to see in a review. and also I think I'm gonna go for the axis as well :)
@xLambOfGod if u follow direct drive bar up to that peace next to your beater mount its a a little bar with either a thumb screw or a drum key bolt just losen it up and and move that little peice up that little bar as far as it will go and that will move your foot board..
I had to special order the from a local music store here in Arizona. I dont think any stores sell them at the moment, you can order them on the musicians friend website. and as of right now the A-21 derek roddy series only come in a single bass pedal
@batako0o the demon drives play great. adjust them to your liking. i havent tried them barefooted though so i dont know if that bump on the board would bother me barefooted. im happy w my axis L's and im thinking of getting the lazar boards for them since i have big feet. theyre interchangeable!
I got a great deal on some AXIS shortboards of ebay. I could never have afforded them new. I love the AXIS and direct-drive in general, deffo the pedal you want for metal.
I definitely prefer solid state(through 5 second try outs at various stores that have them setup for test use), but I couldn't afford Axis, so I went to Gibraltar for their top line pedals, the solid state drive version, they were great at first but quickly became worse, to the point where they were feeling like chain drives, even when I put new bearings and oil on them. I've wanted pearl demon drives for a while as we'll, but I hear they have a lot of issues straight out of the box.
Great video, I have a DW 9000 single pedal. I love it. Personally, I am not into fast kick patterns. But, I found out DW has a new 5000 pedal that doesn't have the heel plate, for you guys looking into DW's. I'm not trying to sway any opinions.
@joshuachan56 I'm well over 200 bpm.. Technique is important, along with endurance. Do these things well, and you can avoid going that far down the pedal.
@maidenfan10210 Ok, thank you. I'm probably going to have to test Trick since I've never played on a compression spring pedal. Thank you for your time!
its about feeling, and habit, so choose which pedal you feel confortable on. personally iron cobra is the perfect pedal for my style, just it`s the most versatile doublepedal i ever tryed, personally the sensation of pearls, dws, gib, yamahaas disturb a bit my playing, so have to said iron cobra i got best result working with.
the last issue i can think of now hehe;) is that there are no index marks on anything, so you never know where exactly you had your settings, now this is not only a problem when your trying out different possitions and features of the pedal but also if your taking them apart for a gig, your not eigible to put it back where it was when reassembling it, which is why mine broke, because i didn't take them apart because i wanted them to feel just like they did in the practice space.
Iron cobras all the way, I never have any problems hitting the footplate playing at high speeds, and definitely for me the most comfortable and consistent pedals, and still great at higher speeds
first issue you won't have if you have 2 seperate bassdrums, second issue is that you can't adjust the footboard independently of the beater angle or vise versa, third issue is that the pedals are quite prizey and you have to buy a case speratly, which i didn't do because the pedals cost me to much, and that resulted in pedals breaking on the second third gig i ever did with my band. Fourth issue which they now hopefully fixed with the signature pedals is that the screws don't hold, they loosen.
@Gilligunz .....Iron Cobras are actually pretty good for chain driven pedals (alot of people were using them before axis got big). But it is all personal preference.
great video, informative and unbiassed. Thanks for giving me a look at the axis pedal. Its blatantly obvious that the are definitely some potential advantages in the axis pedal in comparison to the dw 9000 pedal. I personally wouldn't buy either but thats only because I'm not very good with my footwork and therefore don't yet need a pedal of such a high quality to meet my needs as a drummer. Seriously though, thanks for the great video. :D
If you're buying a pedal of similar quality to the Axis, you can get the pedal to feel more or less how you want. I'm in the same position as you, but I bought a pair of Axis As from eBay hoping for the best. Definitely made the right choice.
@TheUndefined3 I don't think that gaining access to the spring would be much of a problem,but you would probably have to order the actual spring from Trick. So it would most likely be very simple,but may be less than convenient.
@falconer6439 Iron Cobra was my first double pedal, owned them for probably 5 or 6 years. When I was 16, I finally got a job, and bought DW. DW just has a smoother feel to them. And Ive owned them ever since.
great review! yeah man the chains are just awful sometimes. i have p-122s and the chain on my slave pedal has horrible slag. i cant wait till i get some direct drive pedals and that one to one feel with my feet
you just compared a chain driven short board to a direct drive longboard. Of course their's gonna be a difference. The brand doesn't have shit to do with it IN THIS COMPARISON.
...how do you get slack on the chain? do you take your foot off the board when you play or something cause i dont see how you can get slack if your in contact the whole time
Great video... I have never played axis but I do know most metal drummers use them for double bass speed... My ? is....would they be a good pedal for a drummer that plays jazz,funk..with the evrey now and then quick double base notes.. In other words can it be used as a regular pedal for regular music... Just wondering..Thanks for any info
a couple of other issues i forgot to mention is the velcro, or valcro or whatever it is spelled, yeah sure your pedal doesn't move but you actually have to pull so hard that the rug gets fucked up, when you have to pull that hard it makes bumps in your rug, now during a gig if your making a fast change on your slave you may risk bumps that you can't do anything about so when you put your pedal back down it is unstable and wriggly cause of the bump in the rug.
Well, in Australia (where I live), Trick Pro 1-V double pedals retail at AU$1,599.00, while Axis A longboards retail for AU$1,299.00. I'm not sure what it's like in the rest of the world, but I've always known Trick to be the one pedal manufacturer that charges even more than Axis.
I had a pedal like that when I started out playing. Now it was a cheap pedal but I broke the metal that im talking about. The dude at the store was like it cant be fixed and my old man was pissed cause he had to shell out money for a new pedal like the one weckl used on the next step and back to basics. The metal piece has no give and if you hit the kick drum notice I said kick drum hard enough the metal when under stress has to give. With the chains if they break they can be replaced
i don't have the a21s i just have the axis A with the vdl and i love them and would never go back to chain drives again ,yes axis cost a lot but its worth it,should add i did hate the sonic hammers that came with them so i put iron cobra beaters on mine
i am currently using the iron cobra hp 900 double pedals, and they are roughly anywhere between 400 - 550 new, i got them a couple moths used for 300, i know what you mean about the slack in the chain someties when i am playing really fast it lags a tiny bit,, how much did you pay for your axis pedals, and does it work for heel down drumming as well/?
@SAWUSB1 what drummer on earth said that? Ive had both.... and so far axis kicks the shit out of demon drives, hands down. demon drives don't have any power. theyre only good if you use triggers. I learned to play double bass with out triggers, and so far axis pedals are the only pedals that hit hard enough to let me play 270 bpm and still be able to hear separation in notes.
what do you think of the sonor 472, or just sonor in general? I need a more responsive petal, and believe me, I would get a speed cobra or axis but i just don't have the $500 dollars to spend on it.
@Siggedrummer Thats true with the power. But if you listen to our vids of our live I'm sure you would say differently. The audience can easily hear the bass notes. Some people learned to do fast double bass without tapping. The beaters almost hit me in the shin, even at my highest tempos.
I have to ask, when your at high speeds, your not giving letting the chain get much clack because yoru coming down a lot faster, i cant imagine it makes that much of a difference....
if anyone would like me to explain more cons and pros you can just reply to me, but please do so in a friendly tone;) that beeing said i can't denie that when the pedals are fully functional and you have 2 bassdrums eaqually tuned i don't think i've played a better pedal. I have also played elims and the new demon drives for quite some time if you wonder anything about them.
@maidenfan10210 Ah, do you know a lot about Trick because I stumbled upon them a little after I started looking at Axis, I don't know a whole lot about Trick so how would say Trick stands up against Axis?
my problem is i cant just go "test run" abunch of different pedals, shit i cant even buy any in the town i live in, i need to be sold on a pedal before i buy it which is hard because how can you tell how you'll like em till you try em? any advice?
@TheUndefined3 I know a bit about them,but I am inexperienced with them,my experience was brief and pleasant,but I couldn't compare the two. I am an Axis user,if that is of any help.
You're absolutely correct sir, it is a matter of preference but I'm also thinking of moving to an Axis pedal from my DW9000. Aside from the obvious advantage with the different foot boards mostly my decision is based on the link drive VS the chain drive. Unfortunately, I am a left hand drummer and my only option is the Axis X2 Double Left-Footed pedal. Another feature is being able to separate the two pedals for two bass drums. The Axis pedal I want to buy does not have a trigger but I don't need one. So is this pedal the same as the one you just used for your demo? www.guitarcenter.com/Axis/X-Double-Left-Footed-Double-Bass-Drum-Pedal.gc#productDetail Thanks!
Thanks! I ended up going with Pearl Demon Drive Eliminator double pedals. These pedals are the best I've used and they can be changed from right to left, and used as two pedals. The best direct drive pedals on the market in my opinion but as they say, it is a matter of preference.
I was wondering if anyone could help me. I got these longboads on the other day and I got my springs pretty tight, both, but the slave pedal still feels slightly heavier than the main one. Any thoughts?
The only thing that is good about the Axis is that you can play really really fast with them, you can play really fast with the DW too but you'll get moore power with the DW. But if you are a 270 bpm drummer then the Axis pedal suits you better :) but personaly i like the DW better, the Axis is way too sensetive for me, and so is the Tama Speed cobra. :)
Hey man..i need your help.....i have axis longboards....how to calibrate the spring tension???...i dont know how to increase or decrease tension...thks a lot....
@rickster11890 Yes, I did mean "are" of course. I apologise of being incapable of spelling in a language that isn't my mothertongue. And I'm sure there are numerous misspellings and incomprihensible sentences in this answer too, And not a single fuck was given by anyone. And what facts am I not getting? that to achieve speeds over 200 bpm one must have either axis or demondrive? And since it was I who brought Gene up it might be possible i know of his other bands aswell :)
I love how he actually keeps it bias, hes not saying one is better, he is basing it on personal preferance
Axis "Reasonably priced too" said No one ever.
in argentina the single pedal costs 1.100 dollars (like 14.000 argentinian pesos)
L.A DiNiro it's actually affordable in a direct drive pedal sense. Especially vs kopyto and the trick pedals
chain vs direct drive , this comparison has been around for years, it's all about what you like.
i'm considering getting them. this is very informational thank you. now i know a lot more about pedals in general.
Hey great review! I have been looking for DW 9000 pedals and was very close to buying them. You just helped me change my mind. Thanks alot!
To the people who say axis longboards are too expensive let me point out that i have had my axis pedals for 11 years and they still play just as good as they did the day i bought them so for me they were worth every penny.
it's a really good review, I liked it a lot, 'cause it encircles most of the features I wanted to see in a review. and also I think I'm gonna go for the axis as well :)
Hey, thanks a lot. That was a very informative little video. This is why I love TH-cam.
i like how your not bashing on other pedals, your totally right about personal preference
That's true. The lack of foot placement control is strong with this one.
Great vid, dude!! Helped me make my decision! Axis it is!!
***** Which model are you going for? There are big differences between them :)
i love how he says personal preface because it show that his opinion is not correct nor wrong we all have options
@falconer6439 Sure I can. Like I said, I owned them for 6 years, then changed pedals and the feel (for me at least) made a huge difference.
that axis must be super slick when doing the different foot techniques like heel toe and slide
@Gilligunz Well, i don't play fast but to my knowledge, drummers will tap on heel plates if they reach at least 200 bpm.
@thekidofpt1 yesss and the driveshaft is round so you can adjust the slave pedal up and down. Plus they DO sell parts for raising the footboard
I love my Axis A21 Laser pedal. Axis rules IMO!
@xLambOfGod if u follow direct drive bar up to that peace next to your beater mount its a a little bar with either a thumb screw or a drum key bolt just losen it up and and move that little peice up that little bar as far as it will go and that will move your foot board..
I had to special order the from a local music store here in Arizona. I dont think any stores sell them at the moment, you can order them on the musicians friend website. and as of right now the A-21 derek roddy series only come in a single bass pedal
Thanks bro, this helped
Awsome man, thanks alot
Tricks blew me away
@batako0o the demon drives play great. adjust them to your liking. i havent tried them barefooted though so i dont know if that bump on the board would bother me barefooted. im happy w my axis L's and im thinking of getting the lazar boards for them since i have big feet. theyre interchangeable!
I got a great deal on some AXIS shortboards of ebay. I could never have afforded them new. I love the AXIS and direct-drive in general, deffo the pedal you want for metal.
@ThePaulGenny Direct drives really do make a big difference.
Thanks for this vid. I need new pedals
DW just came out with longboards and they are awesome
The comparable adjustment the DW 9000 has to the VDL on the Axis, is the Adjustable Cam, not the footboard height adjustment. 4:28 to 5:00
I definitely prefer solid state(through 5 second try outs at various stores that have them setup for test use), but I couldn't afford Axis, so I went to Gibraltar for their top line pedals, the solid state drive version, they were great at first but quickly became worse, to the point where they were feeling like chain drives, even when I put new bearings and oil on them. I've wanted pearl demon drives for a while as we'll, but I hear they have a lot of issues straight out of the box.
Great video, I have a DW 9000 single pedal. I love it. Personally, I am not into fast kick patterns. But, I found out DW has a new 5000 pedal that doesn't have the heel plate, for you guys looking into DW's. I'm not trying to sway any opinions.
TRICK DOMINATOR! nuff said
dw has a 9000 longboard...
Nope
+Larry Tate yes it does, its called DW 9000 XF
This was made in 2010 calm down it didn't exist at that point
But there more expensive than axis long boards
you said it man, nothing beats trick pedals not even axis
@joshuachan56 I'm well over 200 bpm.. Technique is important, along with endurance. Do these things well, and you can avoid going that far down the pedal.
@maidenfan10210 Ok, thank you. I'm probably going to have to test Trick since I've never played on a compression spring pedal. Thank you for your time!
its about feeling, and habit, so choose which pedal you feel confortable on. personally iron cobra is the perfect pedal for my style, just it`s the most versatile doublepedal i ever tryed, personally the sensation of pearls, dws, gib, yamahaas disturb a bit my playing, so have to said iron cobra i got best result working with.
MOOOOOOOLD !!!!
the last issue i can think of now hehe;) is that there are no index marks on anything, so you never know where exactly you had your settings, now this is not only a problem when your trying out different possitions and features of the pedal but also if your taking them apart for a gig, your not eigible to put it back where it was when reassembling it, which is why mine broke, because i didn't take them apart because i wanted them to feel just like they did in the practice space.
Iron cobras all the way, I never have any problems hitting the footplate playing at high speeds, and definitely for me the most comfortable and consistent pedals, and still great at higher speeds
What's the whole idea of the electronic drum trigger?
first issue you won't have if you have 2 seperate bassdrums, second issue is that you can't adjust the footboard independently of the beater angle or vise versa, third issue is that the pedals are quite prizey and you have to buy a case speratly, which i didn't do because the pedals cost me to much, and that resulted in pedals breaking on the second third gig i ever did with my band. Fourth issue which they now hopefully fixed with the signature pedals is that the screws don't hold, they loosen.
@Gilligunz .....Iron Cobras are actually pretty good for chain driven pedals (alot of people were using them before axis got big). But it is all personal preference.
And I appreciate this review, and also may I ask, are these pedals still as good as they were out of the box?
great video, informative and unbiassed. Thanks for giving me a look at the axis pedal. Its blatantly obvious that the are definitely some potential advantages in the axis pedal in comparison to the dw 9000 pedal. I personally wouldn't buy either but thats only because I'm not very good with my footwork and therefore don't yet need a pedal of such a high quality to meet my needs as a drummer. Seriously though, thanks for the great video. :D
If you're buying a pedal of similar quality to the Axis, you can get the pedal to feel more or less how you want. I'm in the same position as you, but I bought a pair of Axis As from eBay hoping for the best. Definitely made the right choice.
5:15 derrick rodney signature series
The will be really useful for a heeltoe technique... right??
@TheUndefined3 I don't think that gaining access to the spring would be much of a problem,but you would probably have to order the actual spring from Trick.
So it would most likely be very simple,but may be less than convenient.
@falconer6439 Iron Cobra was my first double pedal, owned them for probably 5 or 6 years. When I was 16, I finally got a job, and bought DW. DW just has a smoother feel to them. And Ive owned them ever since.
Tama, Axis, and Sabian AAX - Best combination ever.
My DDrum mercury double bass pedal has lot's of slack in it, which I honestly prefer. But, nice video.
have you ever tried the sonic hammers? i want to give it a try, i know a lot of ppl complain about it, but it may work for me
great review! yeah man the chains are just awful sometimes. i have p-122s and the chain on my slave pedal has horrible slag. i cant wait till i get some direct drive pedals and that one to one feel with my feet
you just compared a chain driven short board to a direct drive longboard. Of course their's gonna be a difference. The brand doesn't have shit to do with it IN THIS COMPARISON.
...how do you get slack on the chain? do you take your foot off the board when you play or something cause i dont see how you can get slack if your in contact the whole time
where did you buy your axis? i cant seem to find where they sale the derek roddy one, and also do you know if there is a double pedal version?
Great video... I have never played axis but I do know most metal drummers use them for double bass speed... My ? is....would they be a good pedal for a drummer that plays jazz,funk..with the evrey now and then quick double base notes.. In other words can it be used as a regular pedal for regular music... Just wondering..Thanks for any info
that was my first double pedal too lol
So what do you think about the Pearl Demon Drive?
prolly a stupid question but can you adjust the foot board height on the axis pedals?
a couple of other issues i forgot to mention is the velcro, or valcro or whatever it is spelled, yeah sure your pedal doesn't move but you actually have to pull so hard that the rug gets fucked up, when you have to pull that hard it makes bumps in your rug, now during a gig if your making a fast change on your slave you may risk bumps that you can't do anything about so when you put your pedal back down it is unstable and wriggly cause of the bump in the rug.
Well, in Australia (where I live), Trick Pro 1-V double pedals retail at AU$1,599.00, while Axis A longboards retail for AU$1,299.00.
I'm not sure what it's like in the rest of the world, but I've always known Trick to be the one pedal manufacturer that charges even more than Axis.
I had a pedal like that when I started out playing. Now it was a cheap pedal but I broke the metal that im talking about. The dude at the store was like it cant be fixed and my old man was pissed cause he had to shell out money for a new pedal like the one weckl used on the next step and back to basics. The metal piece has no give and if you hit the kick drum notice I said kick drum hard enough the metal when under stress has to give. With the chains if they break they can be replaced
How do you fix the compression spring in the trick pedals if they break? That's my biggest concert with trick, other than the price.
i don't have the a21s i just have the axis A with the vdl and i love them and would never go back to chain drives again ,yes axis cost a lot but its worth it,should add i did hate the sonic hammers that came with them so i put iron cobra beaters on mine
try the speed cobra, but the price is due to the direct traction i think
they're too damn expensive
@nightmaressea Right, because you have a video on your channel where you're drumming with triggers...
yeah the derek roddy signature cost 859 but the trick big foot now costs 899 but a single czarcie kopyto cost $1000
i am currently using the iron cobra hp 900 double pedals, and they are roughly anywhere between 400 - 550 new, i got them a couple moths used for 300,
i know what you mean about the slack in the chain someties when i am playing really fast it lags a tiny bit,, how much did you pay for your axis pedals,
and does it work for heel down drumming as well/?
Axis does rule. I have the Axis A double pedal,my feet are on fire!!!!
lol my first pedals were pdps too and i got the classic black A longbord axis pedals on sale for 299 and GC :0
@SAWUSB1 what drummer on earth said that? Ive had both.... and so far axis kicks the shit out of demon drives, hands down. demon drives don't have any power. theyre only good if you use triggers. I learned to play double bass with out triggers, and so far axis pedals are the only pedals that hit hard enough to let me play 270 bpm and still be able to hear separation in notes.
what do you think of the sonor 472, or just sonor in general? I need a more responsive petal, and believe me, I would get a speed cobra or axis but i just don't have the $500 dollars to spend on it.
Are they way better than the iron cobar 900s ?
if you have shoe size 11 can you still do heel toe technique???
@Siggedrummer Thats true with the power. But if you listen to our vids of our live I'm sure you would say differently. The audience can easily hear the bass notes. Some people learned to do fast double bass without tapping. The beaters almost hit me in the shin, even at my highest tempos.
I have to ask, when your at high speeds, your not giving letting the chain get much clack because yoru coming down a lot faster, i cant imagine it makes that much of a difference....
how can i rase my footboard on a axis pedal,.,. i like them high but cant figure out how?...
@heath832 Thanx alot man !!
I personally prefere DW 9000, they have a soft part in the head that I personally think it sound better
@FORTY848, I didn't choose them because of Trick Pedals :)
@015Coco then why does george kollias use axis??
Why haven't you bought the Pear Demon Drives?
Lol. I remember the PDP days...
if anyone would like me to explain more cons and pros you can just reply to me, but please do so in a friendly tone;) that beeing said i can't denie that when the pedals are fully functional and you have 2 bassdrums eaqually tuned i don't think i've played a better pedal. I have also played elims and the new demon drives for quite some time if you wonder anything about them.
hey, can u tell me how long the shipment will be if i buy it online, to get to indonesia?
ive had cobras for around 4 years now. they have kind of lost there power and the left double part is squeeky and it is rough
@maidenfan10210 Ah, do you know a lot about Trick because I stumbled upon them a little after I started looking at Axis, I don't know a whole lot about Trick so how would say Trick stands up against Axis?
my problem is i cant just go "test run" abunch of different pedals, shit i cant even buy any in the town i live in, i need to be sold on a pedal before i buy it which is hard because how can you tell how you'll like em till you try em? any advice?
@TheUndefined3 I know a bit about them,but I am inexperienced with them,my experience was brief and pleasant,but I couldn't compare the two. I am an Axis user,if that is of any help.
Cheaper Pearl Demon Drive pedals(Aside from just direct drive) imo. The $200 price difference is amazing for the quality.
_InsertNameHere_ well axis has their most famous pedal for 500...100 dollars less than demons
i didnt know Zacky Vengence plays drums!
You're absolutely correct sir, it is a matter of preference but I'm also thinking of moving to an Axis pedal from my DW9000. Aside from the obvious advantage with the different foot boards mostly my decision is based on the link drive VS the chain drive. Unfortunately, I am a left hand drummer and my only option is the Axis X2 Double Left-Footed pedal. Another feature is being able to separate the two pedals for two bass drums. The Axis pedal I want to buy does not have a trigger but I don't need one. So is this pedal the same as the one you just used for your demo? www.guitarcenter.com/Axis/X-Double-Left-Footed-Double-Bass-Drum-Pedal.gc#productDetail Thanks!
Jose M. Tamez these are Derek Roddy right footed pedals
Thanks! I ended up going with Pearl Demon Drive Eliminator double pedals. These pedals are the best I've used and they can be changed from right to left, and used as two pedals. The best direct drive pedals on the market in my opinion but as they say, it is a matter of preference.
yep! right now im stuck with pdp pedals, but i think im gonna go for axis.
@SkiesAboveReason1 true.
i'm interested in the new jojo pedal, looks bad ass
I was wondering if anyone could help me.
I got these longboads on the other day and I got my springs pretty tight, both, but the slave pedal still feels slightly heavier than the main one.
Any thoughts?
The only thing that is good about the Axis is that you can play really really fast with them, you can play really fast with the DW too but you'll get moore power with the DW. But if you are a 270 bpm drummer then the Axis pedal suits you better :) but personaly i like the DW better, the Axis is way too sensetive for me, and so is the Tama Speed cobra. :)
Hey man..i need your help.....i have axis longboards....how to calibrate the spring tension???...i dont know how to increase or decrease tension...thks a lot....
@rickster11890
Yes, I did mean "are" of course. I apologise of being incapable of spelling in a language that isn't my mothertongue. And I'm sure there are numerous misspellings and incomprihensible sentences in this answer too, And not a single fuck was given by anyone. And what facts am I not getting? that to achieve speeds over 200 bpm one must have either axis or demondrive? And since it was I who brought Gene up it might be possible i know of his other bands aswell :)