See my review of the Latin in Civilization VI! th-cam.com/video/9RNQ3CEHsLs/w-d-xo.html ⚔️ TRAJAN And Interview with the Legionary in LATIN: th-cam.com/video/M2ULzPUcaxU/w-d-xo.html 🤓
i would like to point out, that in some cases the roman had foreign words from the etruscian in their language, like the most famous word, populus and these words kinda destroy most vocal theories. the differences of spelling of the vocals in lating and our expectation of latin could be simply mixed in actual use and thereby random. like the use of verdura or verdure. Sg/Pl, but most italians would use both variants in the same sentence. italian ci/ce gi/ge sounds could be from the normal latin or just an italian intonation of the actual senat-principates latin. we dont have clear gramatical rules for the major population and the italian is quite transformed for the ear. (adding h, if the gi/ci rules wont work in konjugations etc.) i liked the idea, that the populus of roma spoke with amodern romanic dialect of latin, while the patrician language of the senat remained to be more semi-greek and etruscian for old times sake. they had to learn greek as rich patrician with education. they would use these terms and it would have influenced their practial use of laguage.
If you think Portuguese is forgotten, wait until you hear about Occitan (or don't,because you'll wait a long time before anyone mentions it. Granted, the language is dying really hard and even where I live I know basically no one that speaks it, there's just a few loan words used there and there and you'd have to go see elders in the hills to hear it be spoken naturally)
@@TheOutsidersLiberty His dominant language must be English then, because those aspirations are very marked. We don't do that in any Romance. Ever. Sounds alien.
Civ VI has both Latin speaking (Trajan the Optimus Princeps), classical greek (Gorgo, Pericles and Alexander) and byzantine greek (Basil II). It would be pretty fun you analyze them, especially the latin and see where they improved!
It would be absolutely perfect on the Trajan's voicelines, if they had made him spoke in post-classical latin, as it was spoken at his time (systematisation of the subjunctive, less infinitive proposition...)
@@fishcakes5626 I've just check, he speaks classical latin with a classical pronunciation even though, from what i've heard the intonation is a bit off.
You're lucky if you were already taught Scientific Pronunciation. I still learned the predecessor during my high school years (1981-1990) where "Caesar" was like "Käsar", and my father (who went to school in the 1930s) was even taught its precedessor where "Caesar" is like "Zäsar".
At least with Latin they gave it a decent try, unlike what they did with for ancient Egyptian rulers for example that speak in Arabic. Even modern Coptic would be more accurate, cause at least that's a descendant of the ancient Egyptian language.
@@DieFlabbergast 5000 years counting backwards from now, the pyramids were build; at this point, they were already seperate languages and quite different from each other. Anything above 10.000 years doesn't seem that far fetched.
About the heavy aspiration in "certō", I always interpreted that as he chuckling in the beginning of the word, something that causes us Romance language speakers to sound like aspirating certain consonants!
In fact a little bit of aspiration on this is tolerable since later on these consonants became ç or tç by means of an intermediary step (probably an aspiration). I believe this was akin to "ae" pronounced "e" by some speakers. I would be fine with that, moreso than the overall Italian accent. But then again, I might be biased, being Romanian.
When I was a senior in High School taking AP Latin, Civ 5 was pretty much the only form of spoken Classical Latin "input" that existed at the time (besides Passion of the Christ). Now you are providing an abundance of spoken Latin input and it's awesome!
Please make a video about Latin in Assasin's Creed Origins, there is a surprising amount of Latin . You can find some videos of it here in the youtube.
Thank you for mentioning Romanian. We studied Latin in highschool, although I believe we followed the Ecclesiastical pronounciation as opposed to Classical. Our teacher was (still is) very intelligent and held the language in high regard, but us kids just couldn't find the motivation to study a dead language. Regardless, we speakers of Romance languages definitely have an unfair advantage over the rest when it comes to pronunciation! ;)
It’s funny, because the Legion speaking Latin incorrectly is kinda accurate: they’re just larpers trying to revive a long dead Empire/Language, of which they know nearly nothing of the traditions/pronounciation.
It's very astounding that I, as a German, didn't knew about the aspirated consonants until some time ago. It's definitely not part of school's curriculum. It's just something you naturally learn as a kid, but are not aware of in any way.
Being italian is amazing how many stresses I get right simply because most of the time the stress falls in the same syllable as in Italian therefore it sounds very natural to me
Looks like the voice actor for Augustus in Civ V was Émile Khordoc. Couldn't get a background bio with a quick googling, but apparently is a language teacher at a university level.
@@polyMATHY_Luke Canadian according to his LinkedIn. He apparently teaches both French and English. Weirdly enough he doesn't mention Latin, so maybe I got the wrong guy.
@@polyMATHY_Luke That would be strange though, we French would definitely not add inpiration to our consonants for Latin, when we don't even succeed at doing it for English :')
@@polyMATHY_Luke He is based in Montreal, where the game was developed, so perhaps more likely to be Quebecois. There is also this forum thread: latindiscussion.com/forum/threads/civilization-v.9723/
He's my professor!!! I know I'm late but he's from the province of Quebec and teaches linguistics, French as a second language and English as a second language. He learned Latin in high school but he wasn't taught the stress rules of Latin. He also learned Spanish and Catalan but I don't know if he spoke those languages back then. He's a nice guy with a lot of linguistic knowledge and a good teacher as well. Hope this helps!
The voice of Augustus was provided by Émile Khordoc. What little I could find about him, he is apparently a linguistics professor who speaks both Latin and Ancient Greek as well as English and French and who lives in Canada.
As an Armenian who also speaks an Iranian language I recognize so many words in Latin. Just "Du es" " (you are) being exactly the same in both standard Armenian and Latin is so cool.
@@bilbohob7179 Sorry, but some Armenian dialects use Tu and also many Iranian languages and dialects too. Tu and Du are ofc very very different, holy shit.
@@Lost7one “a word that can function by itself as a noun phrase and that refers either to the participants in the discourse (e.g., I, you ) or to someone or something mentioned elsewhere in the discourse (e.g., she, it, this ).” In English, the pronouns in the singular are: I - First Person You (used to be thou/þou) - Second Person He/she/it - Third Person And in the plural: We - First Person You - Second Person They - Third Person
You really need to judge the Latin in Final Fantasy 7’s One Winged Angel. If you’re judging video games with Latin, that would be so interesting to watch.
I don't think that's a great idea. Songs will always have a totally different pronunciation and tone from regular speech. The Latin in OWA checks out - as it uses fairly typical phrases. But the exact pronunciation? You can't tell. Aside from the fact that the singers (in all official versions) are probably English speakers.
@@hundvd_7I'm pretty sure the original vocalists for One Winged Angel are Japanese. You can hear it in how they pronounce "Sephiroth" with a sort of "ss" sound instead of "th"- characteristic of Japanese speakers, as their language does not have a "th" sound.
It does, but I'd assume that's a product of having to sing in a choir, rather than an accent. You can't exactly sing a θ all that well, so you have to emphasize it somehow. (This really is just speculation, though - they could totally be Japanese, too)
@@guymcaulay8996 Totally true, actually. Idk how I didn't notice before. _Though_ the θ -> s sound change _could_ also be just because the singers are trying to enunciate it more clearly.
Youve become my new favorite youtuber, i first saw your Roman solider video where he speaks to a German scientist, then your Ecclesiastical Latin (which i hear at mass on sundays) vs Classical Latin which i enjoyed very much as I wanted to know if they were actually the same language, then what sealed the deal to decide me to subscribe was the Scots video with the man from Aberdeen, which is where my uncle now lives, and i live in Livingston, roughly in the middle of Edinburgh and Glasgow. I found it interesting as i use some of those scottish words with my friends and family, and we always just thought it was English with Scottish slang attached. Pues no es importante, Estoy aprendiendo hablar español y creo que hablas la idioma, entonces quiero decirte: gracias, me gusta mucho tus vídios.
Fantastic spanish but a liitle correction, the "tedious gender thing" you know... It is "la lengua" o "el lenguaje" o" el idioma" choose one but don't mix them... "Idioma" is masculine like another words of greek origin... Teorema, tema, drama, etc.. Could there be any exception but almost all greek words with final a are masculine in spanish
@@bilbohob7179 Ah thanks very much man, i know the default stance on words which end with "a" is that they are feminine, but i have come across many exceptions and you've helped me with another one which i appreciate
Think that in Italy where a good portion of high school students study latin for 5 years (me included) they teach ONLY ECCLESIASTICAL pronounciation. I didn't even know that the classical existed!
I appreciate you drilling the penultimate stress syllable rule. I have been reading a lot of Latin out loud and I am never sure where to stress. This helps me develop my phonetic awareness.
This video was incredibly helpful as well as entertaining! I've been having a bit of trouble with figuring out which syllable to stress as I attempt to learn (proper) classical Latin speech. Until now my stresses have been more or less random. (A bad habit I'm trying to break.) Now when I listen to your LLPSI recitation the stresses make a lot more sense.
I am Brazilian , and some Latin sound soo familiar and I can "understand" the context of the conversation or even some phrases, soo many latin still in my mother language is crazy like Amicus = Amigos , Gratus = Grato , Si tu es = se voce é (tu can be used as a regional variation), perfectus =perfeito , its sooo cool how latin travel the time
Ever since I found out and became aware of the aspiration of the Germanic plosives p, t and k respectively, I, a native High German speaker, have taken great pains aspirating said consonants with no fail in my speech. It feels quite adequate and brings me joy.
As a German, I found your impression of a German speaking Latin spot on. It sounded even more authentic than the actual German man you used for reference. :D
As an avid CIV fan I loved this video very much. As an Italian I always noticed in these CIV videos that "Th" sounds that sound very linguistically germanic to our ears. The voice actor is doing a quite decent job, but that "Th" is there, although it is not as strong as you can unfortunately hear in many opera singers that murder the italian opera pronunciation (how many times you can hear "Venthhhhhho" instead of "Vento"). Anyway thanks again Luke, you always do a really good job, I appreciate you're not in a hurry in your videos and you take all the time needed for the explanation to be clear.
James! The Vorosmartis were always the best students! Awesome to hear from you. How are you doing? I have a ton of videos on this channel and my other ScorpioMartianus
@@polyMATHY_Luke Thank you for the kind words! I'm doing well, I quickly looked at your videos and I'll definitely watch some more .. I must say, even the few years of Latin I took back then have helped me roughly understand all of the romance languages. Thanks you teaching us! How have you been? it seems like you been busy building these channels!
I've recently started at a German university and your impression is impeccable for how some of my classmates pronounce their Latin... It makes me feel a tiny, tiny bit better about my aspiration and intonation as an English speaker.
Great video, had often wondered about the Latin spoken in video games. Another game I've been curious about is For Honor, many of the knights characters speak latin when attacking or performing executions.
Buona sera Luke. Meraviglioso video. Ho visto il tuo viaggio in macchina a colloquiare in latino circa il ruolo di professori e studenti se non ho capito male 😅 VERY AMAZING. Good evening Luke. Nice video. I saw the videos in which, in the car, you talked in Latin about the role of professors and the relationship with students, if I understand correctly. Wonderful
Hi , thanks for great videos you made at your Chanel , I would suggest to make a video about the Carl Orff musics in Latin the famous Carmina Burana , it would be amazing 👍🏻
You spoke of the syncopation of the 'e' vowel in a word like 'illice.' I was just curious when that would have occurred? Would we still find the vowel in early Latin like Plautus or Terence? (great video btw!)
Neat! I love this! I hadn’t thought about how accurate the languages sounded before in Civilization V and Civilization VI games, but now I’m definitely curious!!!!
Strong video. I guess the Latin in Civ is acceptable at least when compared to other games. Most are atrocious. Tbh they should just use you to voice Latin-speaking characters in video games.
Bonjour ! Great video about a great video game ! (don't know this version actually, just played that game 25 years ago in the 1st version : no Latin, no voices at that time, just text ! 😅)
My mum played that one too. That's cleared that up. I got so confused (I'm not a gamer)
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@@tamara3984 I'm not a gamer neither, but I was quite addict to some games around the age of 20 : Sim City, Civilization, Age of empires, and L'Empereur (impersonating Napoléon Bonaparte !)
Augustus's voice actor is Émile Khordoc - a Canadian from Quebec. So you were on spot saying it has some English sound to it, possibly maybe even a French sound
Was that truly a review of Latin in a game? Or maybe a great chance to explain the Latin stress rule? Either way, I loved it! I wish you review more of Latin in video games. How about Battle for Wesnoth?
I studied Latin for four years with the same thick Latin textbook and the same teacher. She insisted that we pronounce the V as a W and so I was always confused when I heard the V sound. Thank you for the clarification.
Thank you for this! Yes, I would absolutely LOVE to see more such reviwes from you! maybe try the greek spoken by the Greeks in Assassin's Creed: Odyssey, or the Latin spoken by the Roman soldiers in Assassin's Creed: Origins. AC have always prided itself in its historical accuracy (which cannot be denied in some aspects of the game), but let's see how well thay've got it when it comes to speaking ancient languages :D
for a game franchise thats supposed to be all about history, it does get alot of details wrong im glad someone finally put this question to rest for me as i long had suspicions that they got quite a lot of stuff wrong after i noticed some wrong things in a department closer to my expertise
Terrific video, Luke. Quick question. In your opinion, given that peninsular Spanish uses the retracted "S," has the "W" sound in words like "huevo" and "huesped" and is devoid of any "V" sound as you point out... would it be fair to say that peninsular Spanish is the romance language that 'sounds' closest to Ancient Latin? (this is, of course, leaving out sounds like "Th" that it shares with Greek and English and the guttural "J"). Thanks!
See my review of the Latin in Civilization VI! th-cam.com/video/9RNQ3CEHsLs/w-d-xo.html ⚔️ TRAJAN
And Interview with the Legionary in LATIN:
th-cam.com/video/M2ULzPUcaxU/w-d-xo.html 🤓
i would like to point out, that in some cases the roman had foreign words from the etruscian in their language, like the most famous word, populus and these words kinda destroy most vocal theories.
the differences of spelling of the vocals in lating and our expectation of latin could be simply mixed in actual use and thereby random. like the use of verdura or verdure. Sg/Pl, but most italians would use both variants in the same sentence.
italian ci/ce gi/ge sounds could be from the normal latin or just an italian intonation of the actual senat-principates latin. we dont have clear gramatical rules for the major population and the italian is quite transformed for the ear. (adding h, if the gi/ci rules wont work in konjugations etc.)
i liked the idea, that the populus of roma spoke with amodern romanic dialect of latin, while the patrician language of the senat remained to be more semi-greek and etruscian for old times sake. they had to learn greek as rich patrician with education. they would use these terms and it would have influenced their practial use of laguage.
Have you seen any of those bardcore music videos on youtube? There are a couple of them singing in classical Latin.
Great job! He sounds exactly as I, a German, would sound when trying to speak classical latin without paying 100% attention to being correct.
"don't forget Romenian"
*cries in the forgotten portuguese*
Awww I love Portuguese ♥️ 🇵🇹 🇧🇷
awwww broo XDD
Don't worry, amigo. It's the best one.
I understand nothing of Portuguese but it sounds very elegant
If you think Portuguese is forgotten, wait until you hear about Occitan (or don't,because you'll wait a long time before anyone mentions it. Granted, the language is dying really hard and even where I live I know basically no one that speaks it, there's just a few loan words used there and there and you'd have to go see elders in the hills to hear it be spoken naturally)
That one dislike is from the German guy who dubbed Augustus.
Nein nein nein!!!
🤣🤣🤣
Except he isn't German but French Canadian.
@@PewPewPlasmagun FEGELEIN!! FEGELEIN!! FEGELEIN!!
@@TheOutsidersLiberty His dominant language must be English then, because those aspirations are very marked.
We don't do that in any Romance. Ever. Sounds alien.
Civ VI has both Latin speaking (Trajan the Optimus Princeps), classical greek (Gorgo, Pericles and Alexander) and byzantine greek (Basil II). It would be pretty fun you analyze them, especially the latin and see where they improved!
It would be absolutely perfect on the Trajan's voicelines, if they had made him spoke in post-classical latin, as it was spoken at his time (systematisation of the subjunctive, less infinitive proposition...)
@@pestylenz7344 Refresh me; what’s Trajan’s voice actor speaking in civ VI?
@@fishcakes5626 I've just check, he speaks classical latin with a classical pronunciation even though, from what i've heard the intonation is a bit off.
Trajan is an italian actor: Gianmarco Ceconi
Does he analyze Greek as well? I thought he was a Latin expert...
Luke, you should review the Greek leaders in the game too!
I shall!
@@polyMATHY_Luke also review civil vi Pericles, Gorgo, Basil II and Trajan. That would be really cool
You mean Alejandro Magno?
Coming out today!
As a German who was taught Latin in school I felt quite called out by that imitation :D
You're lucky if you were already taught Scientific Pronunciation.
I still learned the predecessor during my high school years (1981-1990) where "Caesar" was like "Käsar", and my father (who went to school in the 1930s) was even taught its precedessor where "Caesar" is like "Zäsar".
I love how Augustus insults so majestically in this game
At least with Latin they gave it a decent try, unlike what they did with for ancient Egyptian rulers for example that speak in Arabic. Even modern Coptic would be more accurate, cause at least that's a descendant of the ancient Egyptian language.
Maybe they changed leader after recording. I doubt it but they could have intended to go for Nasser.
Arabic and Egyptian are similar enough
@@user-ge4uk9ui8y They're both afroasiatic languages, but they've been seperate for like, ten thousand years.
@@notimportant221 That's a gross exaggeration: more like five thousand years (counting backward from now), at most.
@@DieFlabbergast 5000 years counting backwards from now, the pyramids were build; at this point, they were already seperate languages and quite different from each other. Anything above 10.000 years doesn't seem that far fetched.
About the heavy aspiration in "certō", I always interpreted that as he chuckling in the beginning of the word, something that causes us Romance language speakers to sound like aspirating certain consonants!
Absolutely! If it were only this word, I'd say the same.
In fact a little bit of aspiration on this is tolerable since later on these consonants became ç or tç by means of an intermediary step (probably an aspiration). I believe this was akin to "ae" pronounced "e" by some speakers. I would be fine with that, moreso than the overall Italian accent.
But then again, I might be biased, being Romanian.
When I was a senior in High School taking AP Latin, Civ 5 was pretty much the only form of spoken Classical Latin "input" that existed at the time (besides Passion of the Christ). Now you are providing an abundance of spoken Latin input and it's awesome!
Thanks so much! Yeah it's a crazy new world we live in.
I must be an antepenultimate syllable because all the stress falls on me
😄
that was a good one lol
I'm holding out for a latin version of Parappa the rapper
Please make a video about Latin in Assasin's Creed Origins, there is a surprising amount of Latin . You can find some videos of it here in the youtube.
Great idea!
Yes.
There's also the Greek in AC: Odyssey that could be interesting.
@@ClaudioGrecoPhD the egyptians in the game talk coptic egyptian ? or a reconstructed demotic?
@@ClaudioGrecoPhD It's standard modern Greek with one Doric word (μάτηρ) thrown in.
Thank you for mentioning Romanian. We studied Latin in highschool, although I believe we followed the Ecclesiastical pronounciation as opposed to Classical. Our teacher was (still is) very intelligent and held the language in high regard, but us kids just couldn't find the motivation to study a dead language. Regardless, we speakers of Romance languages definitely have an unfair advantage over the rest when it comes to pronunciation! ;)
In the family that is the romance language, Romanian is like that baby that got kidnapped and everyone thought was dead
Fallout: New Vegas has an entire faction speaking bits Latin, would love to see a breakdown of that.
but there it's almost nothing, and it's always with an heavy english accent.
@@yuuta6563 hey at least they say vale correctly but with a very heavy english accent
@@mr.notsonice yep
It’s funny, because the Legion speaking Latin incorrectly is kinda accurate: they’re just larpers trying to revive a long dead Empire/Language, of which they know nearly nothing of the traditions/pronounciation.
Ave, True to Caesar
It's very astounding that I, as a German, didn't knew about the aspirated consonants until some time ago. It's definitely not part of school's curriculum. It's just something you naturally learn as a kid, but are not aware of in any way.
Being italian is amazing how many stresses I get right simply because most of the time the stress falls in the same syllable as in Italian therefore it sounds very natural to me
yeah but the accent in the video game seems like super mario, some foreigners that think that that is italian accent (which is not)
Luke, there's a game called Influent that is an attempt at using CI in a game. It'd be interesting to get your perspective on it.
Oh really? Do you have a link?
@@polyMATHY_Luke It's on Steam.
Someone buy him games so he can review them.
@@polyMATHY_Luke I've tried posting a link, but it doesn't show up. As someone else said, it can be found on Steam.
Civ VI has both Latin (Trajan) and Greek (classical for Gorgo, Pericles and Alexander and medieval for Basil II), you should check it out!
Looks like the voice actor for Augustus in Civ V was Émile Khordoc. Couldn't get a background bio with a quick googling, but apparently is a language teacher at a university level.
Interesting! He may be French.
@@polyMATHY_Luke Canadian according to his LinkedIn. He apparently teaches both French and English. Weirdly enough he doesn't mention Latin, so maybe I got the wrong guy.
@@polyMATHY_Luke That would be strange though, we French would definitely not add inpiration to our consonants for Latin, when we don't even succeed at doing it for English :')
@@polyMATHY_Luke He is based in Montreal, where the game was developed, so perhaps more likely to be Quebecois. There is also this forum thread: latindiscussion.com/forum/threads/civilization-v.9723/
He's my professor!!! I know I'm late but he's from the province of Quebec and teaches linguistics, French as a second language and English as a second language. He learned Latin in high school but he wasn't taught the stress rules of Latin. He also learned Spanish and Catalan but I don't know if he spoke those languages back then. He's a nice guy with a lot of linguistic knowledge and a good teacher as well. Hope this helps!
The voice of Augustus was provided by Émile Khordoc. What little I could find about him, he is apparently a linguistics professor who speaks both Latin and Ancient Greek as well as English and French and who lives in Canada.
He is my professor
As an Armenian who also speaks an Iranian language I recognize so many words in Latin. Just "Du es" " (you are) being exactly the same in both standard Armenian and Latin is so cool.
Sorry, but the pronoum in Latin and almost romance languages is TU
@@bilbohob7179 Sorry, but some Armenian dialects use Tu and also many Iranian languages and dialects too. Tu and Du are ofc very very different, holy shit.
@@bilbohob7179 What is a pronoum?
@@Lost7one
“a word that can function by itself as a noun phrase and that refers either to the participants in the discourse (e.g., I, you ) or to someone or something mentioned elsewhere in the discourse (e.g., she, it, this ).”
In English, the pronouns in the singular are:
I - First Person
You (used to be thou/þou) - Second Person
He/she/it - Third Person
And in the plural:
We - First Person
You - Second Person
They - Third Person
@@LEO_M1 lol
You really need to judge the Latin in Final Fantasy 7’s One Winged Angel. If you’re judging video games with Latin, that would be so interesting to watch.
Let's also add the intro cinema song in FF8. Also in Latin yes?
I don't think that's a great idea. Songs will always have a totally different pronunciation and tone from regular speech.
The Latin in OWA checks out - as it uses fairly typical phrases. But the exact pronunciation? You can't tell. Aside from the fact that the singers (in all official versions) are probably English speakers.
@@hundvd_7I'm pretty sure the original vocalists for One Winged Angel are Japanese. You can hear it in how they pronounce "Sephiroth" with a sort of "ss" sound instead of "th"- characteristic of Japanese speakers, as their language does not have a "th" sound.
It does, but I'd assume that's a product of having to sing in a choir, rather than an accent. You can't exactly sing a θ all that well, so you have to emphasize it somehow. (This really is just speculation, though - they could totally be Japanese, too)
@@guymcaulay8996 Totally true, actually. Idk how I didn't notice before.
_Though_ the θ -> s sound change _could_ also be just because the singers are trying to enunciate it more clearly.
Youve become my new favorite youtuber, i first saw your Roman solider video where he speaks to a German scientist, then your Ecclesiastical Latin (which i hear at mass on sundays) vs Classical Latin which i enjoyed very much as I wanted to know if they were actually the same language, then what sealed the deal to decide me to subscribe was the Scots video with the man from Aberdeen, which is where my uncle now lives, and i live in Livingston, roughly in the middle of Edinburgh and Glasgow. I found it interesting as i use some of those scottish words with my friends and family, and we always just thought it was English with Scottish slang attached.
Pues no es importante, Estoy aprendiendo hablar español y creo que hablas la idioma, entonces quiero decirte: gracias, me gusta mucho tus vídios.
¡Muchísimas gracias a ti, Joe! I’m very flattered that you liked those videos. I’m really happy to be able to share these thighs I love with others.
Fantastic spanish but a liitle correction, the "tedious gender thing" you know...
It is "la lengua" o "el lenguaje" o" el idioma" choose one but don't mix them...
"Idioma" is masculine like another words of greek origin... Teorema, tema, drama, etc.. Could there be any exception but almost all greek words with final a are masculine in spanish
@@bilbohob7179 Ah thanks very much man, i know the default stance on words which end with "a" is that they are feminine, but i have come across many exceptions and you've helped me with another one which i appreciate
Think that in Italy where a good portion of high school students study latin for 5 years (me included) they teach ONLY ECCLESIASTICAL pronounciation. I didn't even know that the classical existed!
7:00 That's so unfair. Never knew that about the R.
When will the game and movie industries start to ask YOU for pronouncing Latin & Greek? I mean it has to happen any time soon.
Let them know! I am available to be hired for this kind of work. 😃
I appreciate you drilling the penultimate stress syllable rule. I have been reading a lot of Latin out loud and I am never sure where to stress. This helps me develop my phonetic awareness.
You should do a review of Tarjan's Latin in Civ 6
On it!
@@polyMATHY_LukeMaybe add to that Gorgo's, Pericles's, and Alexander's Greek?
Get Scorpio Martianus and Metatron to voice Latin-speaking characters in a video game!
Yes, with a smattering or German and Japanese, accent and actual words.
Would love to see more of this
More soon!
"Ja, genau!" :D
This video was incredibly helpful as well as entertaining!
I've been having a bit of trouble with figuring out which syllable to stress as I attempt to learn (proper) classical Latin speech. Until now my stresses have been more or less random. (A bad habit I'm trying to break.) Now when I listen to your LLPSI recitation the stresses make a lot more sense.
I'm glad!
I am Brazilian , and some Latin sound soo familiar and I can "understand" the context of the conversation or even some phrases, soo many latin still in my mother language is crazy like
Amicus = Amigos , Gratus = Grato , Si tu es = se voce é (tu can be used as a regional variation), perfectus =perfeito , its sooo cool how latin travel the time
Awesome review Luke…knowing where the stress/tone goes in words helps with my learning Latin and similarly Greek..🙏 gracias..optima Amico
My pleasure, Craig!
So glad this showed up in my recommended. Great video all the way around, looking forward to binging the rest!
Thanks!
Yes, please review Alexander's spoken Ancient Greek in Civ V. Civ V>Civ VI also had to say it.
This is wonderful Luke!
Thanks!
Yes! One of the first to another great video! Keep up the good work! :)
Thanks very much, Tamara!
That moment when you realise 2010 is 11 years ago... Mater mea
Einfach das Werk der Götter...
As a Brazilian linguist who is learning Latin I am enjoying your videos a lot
Obrigado!
Ever since I found out and became aware of the aspiration of the Germanic plosives p, t and k respectively, I, a native High German speaker, have taken great pains aspirating said consonants with no fail in my speech. It feels quite adequate and brings me joy.
Yes, as a big fan of Civilization, I would enjoy seeing another!
As a German, I found your impression of a German speaking Latin spot on. It sounded even more authentic than the actual German man you used for reference. :D
Danke! 🤓
I'm really excited! Great video, Luke. Praise to you!
Thanks!
At 4:22, you gave me the hardest flashback to Latin lessons back in school ever, dear Lucius. :D
As an avid CIV fan I loved this video very much. As an Italian I always noticed in these CIV videos that "Th" sounds that sound very linguistically germanic to our ears. The voice actor is doing a quite decent job, but that "Th" is there, although it is not as strong as you can unfortunately hear in many opera singers that murder the italian opera pronunciation (how many times you can hear "Venthhhhhho" instead of "Vento"). Anyway thanks again Luke, you always do a really good job, I appreciate you're not in a hurry in your videos and you take all the time needed for the explanation to be clear.
Haha, i actually wondered the other day if you were the one who did the voice for this one!! You guys have similar sounding voices.
Your ability to pronounce so many things is amazing
Mr. Ranieri!!! You taught me at Moravian Academy Middle School. I cant believe just seeing this now
James! The Vorosmartis were always the best students! Awesome to hear from you. How are you doing? I have a ton of videos on this channel and my other ScorpioMartianus
@@polyMATHY_Luke Thank you for the kind words! I'm doing well, I quickly looked at your videos and I'll definitely watch some more .. I must say, even the few years of Latin I took back then have helped me roughly understand all of the romance languages. Thanks you teaching us! How have you been? it seems like you been busy building these channels!
I came across this video which tackles two fascinating matters for me : Civilization V and Latin. Well done Sir, I've subscribed instantly.
Welcome!
4:21 lmaooo you nailed it.
gut gemacht!
Danke!
Замечательная разборка!!!
Теперь я лучше понимаю ударения в латыни.
Всех благ!
I'm glad! )) Thanks
@@polyMATHY_Luke )
I've recently started at a German university and your impression is impeccable for how some of my classmates pronounce their Latin... It makes me feel a tiny, tiny bit better about my aspiration and intonation as an English speaker.
Danke!
Favorite Latin teacher with a game I love! Amazing!
I loved this. I would love to see more videos of the sort.
You'll get them
@@polyMATHY_Luke I can't wait :D
Yes, we’d love to see more reviews of video game Latin!
You’ll get it!
Great video, had often wondered about the Latin spoken in video games. Another game I've been curious about is For Honor, many of the knights characters speak latin when attacking or performing executions.
Wow Luke the analysis in the video was great and really informative thanks!
I’m glad you liked it!
Buona sera Luke. Meraviglioso video. Ho visto il tuo viaggio in macchina a colloquiare in latino circa il ruolo di professori e studenti se non ho capito male 😅 VERY AMAZING.
Good evening Luke. Nice video. I saw the videos in which, in the car, you talked in Latin about the role of professors and the relationship with students, if I understand correctly. Wonderful
Grazie mille! Sì, Alexius Cosanus è una persona meravigliosa; il suo canale è eccezionale.
"Don't forget Romanian!"
That made me laugh
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Omg this brings back memories of me using Augustus’ lines on my highschool latin papers 💀 good thing they weren’t oral projects 😌
Hi , thanks for great videos you made at your Chanel , I would suggest to make a video about the Carl Orff musics in Latin the famous Carmina Burana , it would be amazing 👍🏻
I'd love to see you review the Latin in games!
Really enjoyed this video. Thanks!
Yes, more! Thank you!
amazing to see that the first syllable stressed version of cerebrum looks and sounds almost exactly the same in modern portuguese
You spoke of the syncopation of the 'e' vowel in a word like 'illice.' I was just curious when that would have occurred? Would we still find the vowel in early Latin like Plautus or Terence? (great video btw!)
Thanks! It’s essentially home by 2cBC
Neat! I love this! I hadn’t thought about how accurate the languages sounded before in Civilization V and Civilization VI games, but now I’m definitely curious!!!!
It would definitely be cool to see more analysis of Civ 5 and Civ 6.
Excellent lesson! On the knowledge of penultimate and antepenultimate vowels in Latin! I want to see more in the future!😄
Strong video. I guess the Latin in Civ is acceptable at least when compared to other games. Most are atrocious. Tbh they should just use you to voice Latin-speaking characters in video games.
Nice video! I know they also speak Latin in civ 6 and I’m curious if they got it better in the next game?
I review it tomorrow. Thanks for subscribing
The Civilization V scenario: Fall of Rome, is what got me so interested in history years ago.
You seem like such a great guy. Very smart and love sharing this with others
This was fun !!! I can´t wait to see more of this. Valete.
More to come! Thanks for watching and sharing
Bonjour ! Great video about a great video game ! (don't know this version actually, just played that game 25 years ago in the 1st version : no Latin, no voices at that time, just text ! 😅)
Merci, Lionel!
My mum played that one too. That's cleared that up. I got so confused (I'm not a gamer)
@@tamara3984 I'm not a gamer neither, but I was quite addict to some games around the age of 20 : Sim City, Civilization, Age of empires, and L'Empereur (impersonating Napoléon Bonaparte !)
What fun! Just like Latin classes in Germany! Luke, you are so right!
Augustus's voice actor is Émile Khordoc - a Canadian from Quebec. So you were on spot saying it has some English sound to it, possibly maybe even a French sound
I love this game. Glad to see you analyze it!
4:46 the way his cursor hovers above declare war after he declines the offer lol
Was that truly a review of Latin in a game? Or maybe a great chance to explain the Latin stress rule? Either way, I loved it! I wish you review more of Latin in video games. How about Battle for Wesnoth?
Thanks! I’ll do it
These videos are so cool! And such a fun way of learning Latin!
Thanks! I’m glad
This is very interesting and knowledgeable!
I studied Latin for four years with the same thick Latin textbook and the same teacher. She insisted that we pronounce the V as a W and so I was always confused when I heard the V sound. Thank you for the clarification.
Everyone: "Nobody's gonna know" "How are they gonna know?"
polyMathy: "They're gonna know"
Hahaha
Thank you for this! Yes, I would absolutely LOVE to see more such reviwes from you! maybe try the greek spoken by the Greeks in Assassin's Creed: Odyssey, or the Latin spoken by the Roman soldiers in Assassin's Creed: Origins. AC have always prided itself in its historical accuracy (which cannot be denied in some aspects of the game), but let's see how well thay've got it when it comes to speaking ancient languages :D
I thought it was perfect Latin. I had no idea. Thank you for details :)😊😉👍
Sei un tipo intelligente, Adoro questo canale.
Molto gentile! Grazie
Bring more reviews, it would be awesome :D
This Friday!
for a game franchise thats supposed to be all about history, it does get alot of details wrong
im glad someone finally put this question to rest for me as i long had suspicions that they got quite a lot of stuff wrong after i noticed some wrong things in a department closer to my expertise
Thank you! Amazing info! I think you should make your own grammar book! That'd be an authority like Wheloock's book.
civilization V definitely sparked my interest for languages I didn't even know existed!
Good stuff as always Luke! Plans to do a video on the history of letter W sometime?
Sure
They should hire you instead! Great video, as always :)
Sarebbe bello!
Terrific video, Luke. Quick question. In your opinion, given that peninsular Spanish uses the retracted "S," has the "W" sound in words like "huevo" and "huesped" and is devoid of any "V" sound as you point out... would it be fair to say that peninsular Spanish is the romance language that 'sounds' closest to Ancient Latin? (this is, of course, leaving out sounds like "Th" that it shares with Greek and English and the guttural "J"). Thanks!
Do Civilization VI next! :)
To be honest I’m still waiting for the next barabarians-esque show
Another great video Luke👍