I've come to believe that Truth Teller does not engage in these convos in good faith. She interrupts everyone to spew lengthy word salad and, when she fails to make a point, acts like she isn't being allowed to speak. The irony of claiming she has transcended the limits of the human mind in interpreting the bible and then calling someone arrogant for challenging her conclusions! Being challenged to reconcile the inconsistencies in her arguments is not "gaslighting", and calling it so is just an excuse to not contend with her cognitive dissonance. Of all the panelists, she was particularly exhausting.
I wonder if she believes in everyone having their own individual viewpoints in understanding the bible. It seemed like she has read it and pushes against anyone that doesn’t believe in the exact way she does. Convo goes a different direction to prove her point
Can’t stand her in this debate. She doesn’t connect her points to the questions. She does the typical deflection method that all slow Christians do. She is very LOST!
To start an argument by saying “that’s why you have to read the Bible in its entirety, for context” and then end with “I didn’t read the verse before it, what does it say” was wild.
And hence why I learned and swore at age thirteen to never never ever ever ever ever have any discussions concerning religious and or politics. And will live by that motto for the rest of my life!
Truth Teller is seriously rude, flippant and disrespectful. As soon as she came on the panel, she was very aggressive and trying to push her own narrative. She does this each and every time she comes on the panel. She talks out of both sides of her mouth. It’s very annoying.
I 2nd Cyn G's comments. It's a sad state of affairs. The mental gymnastics done to "make sense" of the utter nonsense and obvious evil of the xtian diety is wild.
it's very sad. I wish a man would tell me to submit to him. and that I came out of his rib. Nonsense. The same man that needs me to come into this world. Like how dumb can you be to believed this?
I always think it’s interesting when married people (especially those who got married in their early 20s) tell people not to have sex until they are married.
I swear the way Cyn came through and gave me a breath of fresh air. The debate was getting suffocating 😅 but I live for these intense passionate debates. It's part of the growing process.
I am 1 hour in and I agree 100% with Themis. The very fact that in 1 hour in, everyone was referring to God and "He and Him", is all I need to hear. I wish I watched this live. Themis, you are 1000% correct.
Well God holds men accountable for their behaviour if they are misusing their position as family heads. Men are supposed to protect and respect their wives but they miss that part of the scriptures
2:10:05 If those men were going to sodomize the angels ANYWAY, what was the point of handing off his daughters???!!!! “It’s in the bible and i stand on that” “i understand why he did it” These types of believers are dangerous.
I noticed some of my fave content creators talk about "holding women accountable," too, and I was so disappointed. All I saw was the shaming and mocking of women who had made, what they now realise to be, poor choices. The part that always surprises me is the judgment without engaging with how these women end up here. Because "all this information is now available on the internet no women should..." Also, its always shocking how the creator forgets/excuses their own past but can't fathom why the next person would engage in self-destructive ways. They have all the empathy and grace for themselves but none for the next women. Makes me wonder how women will feel comfortable with coming forward so that the next girl can learn from "the internet" if this is the reception.
Also, I don't think people can be held accountable in the way that these creators talk about it. It's up to the person to own up to their mistakes. We can't force them to by means of shame.
Specially when they get aman themselves. You can advice other women and call them out without blaming them foe being abuse. Or being taken advantage of. Specially if they're young.
So…God of the Bible created the world knowing he would send Jesus which is actually really him in the flesh to save them from sin he knew they would commit because he create them knowing their mind because he created their mind and made them born of sin is really wild to me. I respect everyone’s beliefs. To me religion is man made to manipulate women.
Also: Even if one uses the argument “We have free will” as these ladies repeatedly exclaimed…IF God ACTUALLY DOES NOT know what we would choose, is it far fetched to believe that he HAD TO AT LEAST EXPECT SOME to choose unfavorably…? Why regret, then…? About regret: if we were made in his image and likeness, then I can accept him having some regrets and feelings of taking people out. But, I cannot in good faith say he is the SUPREME being and deserving of worship. I would think a supreme being will create correct (ie: not good, not bad/evil) creations and observe the reaping the consequences of their existence. Just my two cents…
Truth teller is a typical Bible thumper who hasn’t allowed the Holy Spirit to change her. She’s so rude and talks over people. 1:24:47 there is a flaw in the human design that creates so much evil. Perhaps the suggestion is that an all knowing God would improve on the design maybe. I agree with Cyn about debating religion. It’s never a logical discussion. I also agree when she mentions that nothing in the Bible is weaponised against men. It’s a real problem
@lovemuffin10101 Quite the OPPOSITE ACTUALLY. She is ALWAYS called out and engaged with more rigorously than Cynthia.Cynthis gets A LOT OF GRACE and privileges on this channel that "normal" (non TH-camrs I suppose), DO NOT GET.
@teet2649 becuz alot of people like to ride cyn g. A majority of themis new audience came from cyn g and pink pill so alot of them will always agree with cyn on anything
I feel like something is going on with Tony Gaskins spiritually. He used to be much more kind. It seems as if he has now become ego driven, self-centered, putting himself on a very high pedestal, and speaks with angry demeaning language towards women. He used to be much more gentle and protective of women.
I couldn’t even get through the live. I thought the conversation was about Tony Gaskins and his hypocrisy, yet the conversation turned into a Christianity defense league.
She derails EVERY conversation! It NEVER fails!! I had to start double timing at about the 54 minute mark. Then just skipping thru TT. Tapped out around 1:54. Going to have to start pre-scrubbing videos to see who's on the panel. Did they ever swing back around to Tony Gaskins? Or was it just the TT & Friends Show all night???
Thank you, Themis, for the conversation. I wish it hadn't ended the way that it did. I do hope this conversation will be revisited- I would love to come up and speak. I am a woman of color who was a devout Christian for 14 years... I mean super religious.. I was a member of one of the cults that premiered on Netflix! Anyway~ I extend a lot of grace and empathy for Christians and religious individuals because I truly understand- I was completely immersed in Christianity throughout my 20s mid-30s. After stepping away the church I was attending, I fully understand why some people view blind faith in Christianity as delusional, irrational, and illogical. I do still believe there is a God, but I am wrestling with Jesus about the doctrine.
@@SunshineMerchant I'd love to hear your views on this. I grew up southern baptist, transitioned to muslim, then buddhist then left it all. It's scary to walk away.
@@user-zz4wr2hm1y I would love to hear your views as well! I also transitioned to Islam but found it just as patriarchal and then some! I read up on Buddhism but never practiced. I view all religions in the same light... control the mind to control the body.
Truth Teller was disrespecful and disingenious the entire time she was up which was hours. Cyn spoke for what 15 minutes and suddenly it's all about her behaviour.
Themis doesn't have a block, you guys are trying so hard to force feed him your Christian ideology. Stop saying he has a block, he is not buying what you putting down. Just accept .🤗
I’m glad to be able to think logically and analyze information in absence of a delusional state. This discussion makes my brain heart. Faith is the belief in something that is not known, but in this realm, knowing is most important.
We are qualified to birth those who become qualified to preach the world of God but the ppl who let them feast on their body for 10 months damn near 1year isn’t strong enough or smart enough to lead a few ppl
Please leave this UP on your main channel. It's so fustrating anytime you have someone that thinks differently to your typical follower the convo of privating is mentioned. Discussing religion is ALWAYS going to get heated and let's be very clear, it was heated long before Cyn joined because I know some are going to jump on her.
The Bible has been edited 11 times. So many books have been removed. I feel that there were women who were disciples, but they've been written out of the final version 🤔
Why bring religion to the discussion? Not everyone is religious. Surveys show that less and less Americans are religious. This is a public forum. You'll never get anywhere bringing religion into debates or discussions because religion is not always based on facts or logic. A lot of it is based on interpretation, faith and things you can't prove. Plus, there are different doctrines in different religions.
He knew Pharaoh would never willingly let the people go because he got more out of them slaving for him. He hardened Pharaoh's "NO", because he knew a "Yes" was never coming from him unless God's power (nothing like the magicians around at that time) was put on full display.
If I tell you I have to turn off my brain to engage with something as presented that thing is not meant for me. And no it doesn't matter if it's religion or a ham sandwich. Your logic, reasoning and critical thinking are your first line off defense to survive why in the world would you engage with anything that tells you not to engage your faculties? Something has to give. Without religion I wake up to the same beautiful day as my religious neighbors. I live well encourage others and know right from wrong based on how it impacts others. There is so much more to this life than the fear of a place no one could even confirm for you is even real. The only hell is the one in our minds if that is what we choose.
@@respectfullyg5580 I give grace when this happens because it's difficult when the thing you feel grounds you unravels. Its hard to unlearn or think about what else there is. Even mildly depressive until you settle or figure it out.
2:07 - 3:06 I can't tell if she's "battle rapping" or having a psychotic break 🥴🥴🥴 Edit: 2:39 "That it? Ok." 😭😭😭 I'm convinced that the Australian break dancer who "performed" at the Olympics rehearsed to a track by this woman 😭
Ok...im going to say it. Is he bracing us for some scandal he's involved in? Should we be anticipating some drama concerning this man? Because I dont see people this agitated unless something is about to happen
2:58:50 Cynthia G never said any of them were “stupid.” Cynthia never 👎🏾 DIRECTED or MENTIONED Truth Teller, nor called her “stupid”, there were other individuals on the panels who kept their composure, and didn’t get triggered. Cyn was referring to the study 📖 and Truth Teller being IMMEDIATELY TRIGGERED supported the whatever argument the research study 📚 was indicating because she showed herself to be less intelligent…. Truth Teller was inappropriate and CENTERED herself the ENTIRE Live conversation. The other women barely spoke. Truth Teller interjected in everything and DERAILED the convo.
@1:49:19 I will submit to Themis all day long the way he debates ooooweee the way he made his point without a curse or stutter was very attractive. That’s the type of energy we should submit to. Good faith submission for the win!!!
Seems like a lot of people don’t like Cynthia. Even if she is telling the truth they will have an issue. I just wish Cynthia just stop going on these panels.
I dont think cyn g tells the truth. She says alot of things loud and agressively. Its like wen people love celebrities like cardi b or red becuz they r seen as being "honest" wen they r just loud about their opinion
@@productioninquiry8937 I'm making the comparison of how they both will speak their mind in an unfiltered way. Cardi did that alot wen she first came into the game. Another person I would compare cyn g to is Charles Barkley I just thought of this comparison but I do see some similarities of cyn with Charleston white and Candace owens with how she uses "shock value" to try and get a point of hers across (that may hold some bits of truths but lies in it). That's a wild comp but I see it alot
@brandond1947 All the people you mentioned have real money though, with the exception of Charleston. Why brand yourself that way when it won't make you rich? Angry Black woman isn't new.
I can’t even support Themis in this entirely because if the Christian god can impregnate a child I don’t need to follow believe love that type of creator 💀 but I’m on on Themis side I will never follow the Bible it’s nothing that I think is positive for women If women create life why would I ever believe a man is where women came from? Please ✌🏽
The Bible justifies men who have unalive women because of "jealousy". Please show we an equivalent verse for women's jealousy. It does not exist which is a why this Bible that was clearly written by MAN is a hot mess. Proverbs 6:34 Study Bible: For jealousy arouses the fury of the husband. He won't spare in the day of vengeance. For jealousy enrages a husband, and he will show no mercy in the day of vengeance.
3:24:42 And this 🎯🎯😩😩 A LOT of Deeply SINGLE Christian & sometimes Married Christian women use the excuse of “BEING CALLED BY GOD” to stroke their own Haughty, High And Mighty Ego and USE GOD AS A COMPANION, USE GOD as to FILL A VOID within, even when they discover God later on in life… GOD, CHURCH ⛪️ & The Bible is their ONLY HOBBY & HUBBY PARTNER. 😂😂. Like they don’t have any identity outside of Religion & God. 😩
Fate vs predestination....enter philosophy 101. This is a circular conversation until proven by multiple people separately and probably not an equal experience.
Why can't Truth Teller just say she disagrees with men being elders if they're not capable and admit, as a Christian and Human (like all Christians), she has an issue with aspects of the word. Be honest! Better to read one verse, and learn it well, than to read the whole book and have leant nothing. Matthew 12:1,2 The Lord agreed for the disciples to pick grain on the sabbath (even though he said to keep it holy) to feed themselves. I am sure if the Elders were not doing the word justice (as is evident in the community), he would agree for women to step in.
You know I wanted to see the videos and hear the discussion about submissions. Submissions are used against women to fall in line. It seems the panel talked about everything else and derail the conversation.
Free will means if we get it wrong, we're supposed to go to him, asking for forgiveness and guidance. The point is that we lean on him for everything. If we get it right all the time, then there's no need for him and we wont turn to him or worship him, he wldnt be God. We are supposed to go to him in demonstration of faith and love, and so prophecy can be fulfilled. I think this is what these women were trying to articulate.
This entire conversation was a circular argument. And Themis if you are to be a Christian try not to ask too much questions. Religion, and following religion requires that you FOLLOW.
1:50:37 Another issue with the bible is all of these translations. The translation I grew up reading always worded that verse as two men fighting each other and a pregnant woman gets hurt. Not that the husband is 'fighting' the pregnant woman, as evidenced by later saying the husband must seek compensation from the man responsible for the injury. Or at least that is how it was explained to me. In any case, this doesn't change that i view the bible as a very misogynistic book.🤷🏾♀️
The Bible has been rewritten hundreds, maybe thousands of times. This is why Christians trying to convince anyone that the Bible is the truth doesn't make sense because the scripture could change tomorrow.
No one in the universe can tell me squat about the creator of ALL THINGS.... let alone a word on earth. A creator of all things (resting in omnipotence) would NEVER EVER EVER NEED to sacrifice any person, place, nor thing for NO person place or thing EVER!!!!! Is it even a sacrifice if so easily replaced? I'm tired of y'all thumpers. It be the arrogance for me 😂 If you have no connection with all things universal, u have no connection to the Creator of all things in the universe.
This is why i cant subscribe to religious doctrine. The cognitive dissonance presented in these arguments are frightening. The Bible was written by man, i can't follow a religious belief that encourages me to be subservient to another human, especially one that i birthed.
Yes he gives you free will but he already know what you’re going to do with that free will. But whatever happens in the end you can’t say you didn’t have a choice even tho he knew what choice you’ll choose
REGRET - God Could have regret meaning sorrow and sadness. Lets say you KNEW for certain that you would meet your spouse in July 2025 and would remain happily married for decades and enjoy life, love, and wonderful children & grandkids together until your spouse passes away at age 68. Would you regret marrying your spouse after they pass? Would you say "I should've remained single because this grief is too much to bear?" Or would you feel regret as in sorrow for yourself and your children as you and your family grieve and have to move towards a future without that persons physical presence?
Usually when people have regrets it's because they made a mistake but Christians often say that God doesn't make mistakes. Also God is all knowing. So why would God have regret if he knows what's going to happen before it happens and has an ultimate plan for humanity? Wouldn't everything that's happening play into God's plan? So why have regret?
@NamasteInYourLane Regret also means sadness. God Could have meant regret meaning sadness. For example, if a child comes to you with a sad story and says "Timothy pushed me and I fell and scraped my knee" how would you respond? Most adults would show compassion and say "aww I'm sorry!" or "oh no, I regret that happened to you." This doesn't mean the adult made a mistake. Oftentimes the adult realizes that the childs experiences (good and bad) will help the child succeed in the long run.
God KNOWS the outcome IF you obey or IF you disobey BUT, you absolutely have the CHOICE. I'd argue that it's presumptuous of us to believe we can seek out everything concerning an omnipotent being who made us as well as the intelligence that we use (ironically) to undermine the CREATOR.
34:17. Are others of us allowed to have this stance because this is EXACTLY my position, particularly because the wisdom of this world is foolishness to the most high 🤷♀️
1:48:40 Herein lies the dangers of some of these alternative translations. That verse was talking about men [and men] fighting in proximity to a pregnant woman, injuring her & causing her to lose her child... When it is read as "when there is a fight..." it opens the door for so many misinterpretations. I cannot disagree with Truth Teller being adamant about a CLEAR REDRESS.
Doesn’t all human creation track back to a human/ape like mammal thingy through DNA/Mitochondria dating back some 5 million years before the Adam & Eve creation story! 65 million years after the dinosaurs extinction. 2:17:52
1:37:20 THERE IS NO TECHNICALITY WITH SALVATION. "HE that ENDURETH to the END, the SAME shall be saved." MATT 10:22 There is an EDURANCE that must follow. The teaching that baptism saves you is a part of why people "SIN" PRESUMPTUOUSLY.
2:34:03 Its not hard to understand at all what Themis is saying, if God knows our outcome in life. Even with detours, choices etc us humans may make. Wouldn’t God also know each alternative good, bad ? God would know shes going to take this turn if she does she may hit a pot hole..alternatively if she takes the other she can hit a tree. On and on again the possibilities should be endless because God is ALL knowing! Right?
Since no man has seen God and he has created humans in his image, it couldn’t be referring to the external physical image. It would be our innate qualities such as love, wisdom, justice and power. While the Bible is often misinterpreted and certain teachings seem bizarre regarding women’s position, men are always held accountable. In Genesis Eve ate the forbidden fruit 🍋🟩 first yet in the Book of Romans 5:12 it states through one “man” sin and death entered the world. Adam was held accountable though he blamed Eve for his disobedience
You are either subject to a man, abstinent, or you have to leave Christianity. Ladies choose wisely because God already knows your answer. But there is a way back into Christianity if you choose to leave, stay tuned for the next episode of Bible study!
I think a lot of you are calling Truth Teller annoying, rude, and insufferable because of her stance on Christianity, but you all praise Cyn despite how she can be abrasive, condescending, and rude when speaking about Christianity and towards those who agree with it. Actually anytime some disagrees with Cyn, she goes ‘off’, over talks and gets loud-she’s even done it with Themis before… but it’s called ‘passion.’ I am not religious anymore, but Cyn literally insulted the intelligence of those who are and brought up ‘studies’ to prove it. She then tried to gaslight and say she didn’t call anyone unintelligent, but why bring up a study about it if you don’t agree with it?
Thank you for having me on the panel Themis, I do believe you want to believe and are trying to understand certain concepts In the Bible and the character of God which is why I joined the panel. As for Cyn G, I always knew she operated from a place of church hurt but I understand now she’s just operating from fruits of her spirit, when it comes to Christians and religion as well and that goes for some of the women in the chat earlier. I do pray Themis that you come into understanding of who God is and how operates.
A lot of us agree with her so we are bitter and we are church hurt too? Or is it that we are okay with admitting that religion is toxic and needs to be dismantled. We understand the purpose of it, but there has been way too much manipulation and brainwashing to get people to do things that are wicked. Consider yourself lucky to have never been put in a position to be abused and your abusers use the Bible to justify your abuse.
The entire concept of faith is believing without proof. If you struggle with that you will struggle with being a Christian. Having questions is fine, that's one thing, your receptiveness to discussing them is another. The Bible really isn't literal in every sense. You can't pluck one or two verses out, out of context, and make it a referendum on the entire book. The portion about hitting a pregnant woman is in a part of the Bible that discusses the law including how to treat slaves. Reading the whole book isn't understanding the whole book. To truly evaluate misogyny in the Bible, at a book by book level, you would have to look at every book and verse that references the topic in context. You would have to examine it across translations and take Hebrew into consideration as well. This was an emotional conversation, start to finish. If you're not a Christian that's fine. But why are you upset? The amount of time I spend arguing about Islam is exactly none. Calling people liars, unintelligent, saying they're gonna get dragged, etc. It was foretold that this would not end well, the prophecy was fulfilled.
Scholars of the bible have already done this and the accepted consensus is that it is patriachial and misogynistic. Why is it wrong to not accept an answer if the story doesn't make sense? Every argument can't be "it's out of context" when the entire book has more and more reference to abusive unloving behaviors. If you can't handle the inconsistencies being called out I get it but people engage passionately when they are on the brink of a revelation.
@user-zz4wr2hm1y Who's not accepting it? I wasn't having the argument. If the topic has already been discussed, ad nauseum, then provide the two differing factions with those resources and move on. The passage about the pregnant woman being hit incidentally was 💯 discussed without context. The context of those laws is essentially slave codes for the people, of that area, during that time.
Rewatch. The context was there and no it wasn’t clear that it was slaves getting hit. Which would also be a problem regarding allowing slaves. The part of the book that discusses the law on hitting women doesn’t outlaw hitting women. There is also a chapter about killing women in rage!!! Read numbers for poisoning your wife because you think she is unfaithful. Deuteronomy 22:22-23, if a man rapes a married woman, the woman is put to death. Exodus 21:7, Israelite women slaves are not free after six years of service, men are. Hosea 1:3 God threatens to expose a woman’s nakedness and to give her to other men to be raped and beaten. Ezekiel 16 and 23. Read Lamentations!!!
@@ThemisThoth I accept that the Bible is patriarchal, I just personally believe that the approach to the debate yesterday was emotional, based on language used prior to anyone joining the live. The Bible can be studied academically, and should be if you are going to argue about it. Parsing piece by piece doesn't serve the purpose. I am sure you would think people discussing Constitutional law, via Google searches and the interpretations of non-experts (or even one reading), are lacking rigor in their approach. I am no Biblical scholar, but there certainly are Princeton trained theologians you can engage with. The context of Exodus 21 includes applying the laws of the 10 Commandments for Israelites at that time. Mind you, the 10 Commandments are not repeated verbatim in the New Testament. It's no different than a book of laws and ethical behavior from the 1700s that spoke to how to ethically treat slaves. It covers... Servitude: How to treat servants, including how long they serve and what happens if they refuse to go free Personal injury: How to deal with violent crimes, accidental injuries, and injuries caused by animals Property rights: How to deal with damage to property and how to compensate people for losses Marriage: How to treat women, including the rights of widows and orphans The death penalty: What offenses are punishable by death Punishment: How to punish people who commit crimes, including the idea of "an eye for an eye"
@@user-zz4wr2hm1y "Scholars of the bible have already done this and the accepted consensus is that it is patriachial and misogynistic." this is just outright false though lol
I guess context is everything. Tony Gaskins made this short video off the back of a longer 30min video called ‘Only the real will last’ where he was sounding off against the fornicating Christian men and calling them out, he named them too. I don’t think he was shaming, he was just emphasising knowing your word and not letting men talk you out your draws. I don’t think it’s that deep, but that’s just my opinion. 🤗
Are you going to cover the Destiny situation? Since thats yalls euro kang and also yall were saying that BM were scared of Destiny lol. Aba just checked him. We know yall are going to ignore that Destiny because he isn't a BM that yall can blame for everything.
Cynthia did not call anyone stupid. She said their religious beliefs blocked them from being able to engage truthfully and genuinely.
I've come to believe that Truth Teller does not engage in these convos in good faith. She interrupts everyone to spew lengthy word salad and, when she fails to make a point, acts like she isn't being allowed to speak. The irony of claiming she has transcended the limits of the human mind in interpreting the bible and then calling someone arrogant for challenging her conclusions! Being challenged to reconcile the inconsistencies in her arguments is not "gaslighting", and calling it so is just an excuse to not contend with her cognitive dissonance. Of all the panelists, she was particularly exhausting.
I wonder if she believes in everyone having their own individual viewpoints in understanding the bible. It seemed like she has read it and pushes against anyone that doesn’t believe in the exact way she does. Convo goes a different direction to prove her point
She's taken a leaf from her lord and master, innit. She engages like the menz.😂
Thank you for saying it! She’s like that just about every time! I immediately get annoyed whenever she’s on a panel or jumps on to speak.
Letting something that fed off your body to subjugate you is diabolical workkkkkkk.
This! Part!!!! 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️😮💨
Thank you!
exactly!!! The fact that women have believed the oki doke that Men have made them believed.
Truth Teller is annoying af.. I'm not sorry.
She really is. Like a dum dum pop.
Can’t stand her in this debate. She doesn’t connect her points to the questions. She does the typical deflection method that all slow Christians do. She is very LOST!
@@NothingForYou283😂😂😂 not a dum dum pop!
To start an argument by saying “that’s why you have to read the Bible in its entirety, for context” and then end with “I didn’t read the verse before it, what does it say” was wild.
Proving the original point that they are literally disingenuous and liars
Themis: You're being intellectually dishonest!
Truth Teller: Nuh uh! No you!
Bruh 🤦🏽♀️
And hence why I learned and swore at age thirteen to never never ever ever ever ever have any discussions concerning religious and or politics. And will live by that motto for the rest of my life!
Truth Teller is seriously rude, flippant and disrespectful. As soon as she came on the panel, she was very aggressive and trying to push her own narrative. She does this each and every time she comes on the panel. She talks out of both sides of her mouth. It’s very annoying.
I 2nd Cyn G's comments. It's a sad state of affairs. The mental gymnastics done to "make sense" of the utter nonsense and obvious evil of the xtian diety is wild.
Amen 🙏🏾
it's very sad. I wish a man would tell me to submit to him. and that I came out of his rib. Nonsense. The same man that needs me to come into this world. Like how dumb can you be to believed this?
Cyn had me gagging!!😂😂😂
Themis, you're a saint. Thruth teller, you are insufferable.
The fact that Christian women are on this panel debating a man is paradoxical in and of itself lmao
Nonstop hypocrisy and contradiction
@ It is and it’s actually sad to see. The indoctrination leaves no room for consistent critical thinking.
How?
I always think it’s interesting when married people (especially those who got married in their early 20s) tell people not to have sex until they are married.
I swear the way Cyn came through and gave me a breath of fresh air. The debate was getting suffocating 😅 but I live for these intense passionate debates. It's part of the growing process.
@@ongoingsky9347 yeah she was swinging but I wish she stopped short of calling them unintelligent because their defenses immediately went up.
@@user-zz4wr2hm1y She was just citing the stats I wishes themis would have produced those. He googled other things
Yep growing and learning process.
@@user-zz4wr2hm1y Truth Teller was triggered 😂 Cyn never directly mentioned her. 😂
I am 1 hour in and I agree 100% with Themis. The very fact that in 1 hour in, everyone was referring to God and "He and Him", is all I need to hear. I wish I watched this live. Themis, you are 1000% correct.
You asked her if a man that has submitted to God can he hit a woman? And she said yes! So why is she mad about anything? She's very flippant.
Well God holds men accountable for their behaviour if they are misusing their position as family heads. Men are supposed to protect and respect their wives but they miss that part of the scriptures
@@lmusima3275 How?
1:15:18 😆😆😆 I lost it when she said "This is how good God is" 😂😂😂😂😂 Almost choked on my drink.
2:10:05
If those men were going to sodomize the angels ANYWAY, what was the point of handing off his daughters???!!!!
“It’s in the bible and i stand on that”
“i understand why he did it”
These types of believers are dangerous.
I noticed some of my fave content creators talk about "holding women accountable," too, and I was so disappointed. All I saw was the shaming and mocking of women who had made, what they now realise to be, poor choices. The part that always surprises me is the judgment without engaging with how these women end up here. Because "all this information is now available on the internet no women should..." Also, its always shocking how the creator forgets/excuses their own past but can't fathom why the next person would engage in self-destructive ways. They have all the empathy and grace for themselves but none for the next women. Makes me wonder how women will feel comfortable with coming forward so that the next girl can learn from "the internet" if this is the reception.
Also, I don't think people can be held accountable in the way that these creators talk about it. It's up to the person to own up to their mistakes. We can't force them to by means of shame.
@@LArte30I completely agree
Specially when they get aman themselves. You can advice other women and call them out without blaming them foe being abuse. Or being taken advantage of. Specially if they're young.
These women are heavily bounded by religion. True intellect and religion does not work hand in hand. Truth Teller never had a valid argument.
They don't endear anyone to the faith
3:15:21 girl change your name to “Lie Teller” IMMEDIATELY
Right
Cyn came on and cooked the whole panel
I mean smoked! 💯
So…God of the Bible created the world knowing he would send Jesus which is actually really him in the flesh to save them from sin he knew they would commit because he create them knowing their mind because he created their mind and made them born of sin is really wild to me. I respect everyone’s beliefs. To me religion is man made to manipulate women.
I love this 🤭
Same
One has to be in complete denial of reality to receive the stories in the bible and ANY religious text as anymore than just a book of fables.
Also: Even if one uses the argument “We have free will” as these ladies repeatedly exclaimed…IF God ACTUALLY DOES NOT know what we would choose, is it far fetched to believe that he HAD TO AT LEAST EXPECT SOME to choose unfavorably…? Why regret, then…?
About regret: if we were made in his image and likeness, then I can accept him having some regrets and feelings of taking people out. But, I cannot in good faith say he is the SUPREME being and deserving of worship. I would think a supreme being will create correct (ie: not good, not bad/evil) creations and observe the reaping the consequences of their existence. Just my two cents…
Exactly. One has to be delusional to believe in this nonsense.
These ppl are literally experiencing psychosis they refuse to think
When it comes to Cynthia and Truth Teller, its an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.😂😂
Truth teller is a typical Bible thumper who hasn’t allowed the Holy Spirit to change her. She’s so rude and talks over people.
1:24:47 there is a flaw in the human design that creates so much evil. Perhaps the suggestion is that an all knowing God would improve on the design maybe.
I agree with Cyn about debating religion. It’s never a logical discussion. I also agree when she mentions that nothing in the Bible is weaponised against men. It’s a real problem
Truth telling gave be a headache, omg. Talking over people, acting combative, I am not sure why she was acting so.
She is always like that tbh. However as she is a long time follower she won't get called out, Cyn will.
@lovemuffin10101 She of all ppl, as a long standing follower should respect Themis......
@lovemuffin10101 Quite the OPPOSITE ACTUALLY. She is ALWAYS called out and engaged with more rigorously than Cynthia.Cynthis gets A LOT OF GRACE and privileges on this channel that "normal" (non TH-camrs I suppose), DO NOT GET.
She definitely did what people say Cyn do, but doesn't get half the backlash because of her beliefs.
@teet2649 becuz alot of people like to ride cyn g. A majority of themis new audience came from cyn g and pink pill so alot of them will always agree with cyn on anything
The question is-If God knows what you are going to do before we do it.... How is it a choice?
Knowing what a person will do does not mean you made them do it. You are making choices, He can just see what choices you will make.
@Honeyfaced1 True I understand that. It's just God already knew that. That's my issue. My mind cannot logically reconcile the two.
On top of that the mind you have to create the “decision” was created by the God of the bible. It cannot be an actual choice.
@@toasttothis7106 Decisions are not made by God.
Options are.
We get to choose whether or not we want a, b, c, d, so forth and so on.
@@appleifc Because he DOESN'T interfere and there is a consequence for EITHER choice.
Cyn G is the goat, ong!
@@Grey_Skiesz is 😄
I feel like something is going on with Tony Gaskins spiritually. He used to be much more kind. It seems as if he has now become ego driven, self-centered, putting himself on a very high pedestal, and speaks with angry demeaning language towards women. He used to be much more gentle and protective of women.
Loving Dr. Themis Luther King in this thumbnail
It doesn’t make sense to submit to men in every aspect. If i am better at managing money than you, why would I let you make all the money decisions?
I couldn’t even get through the live. I thought the conversation was about Tony Gaskins and his hypocrisy, yet the conversation turned into a Christianity defense league.
I cant with Christians...this is sooo bad
😂😂😂Honestly, common sense is no where to be found. With these people. The male worship is so heavy they believe God is a him.
She derails EVERY conversation! It NEVER fails!! I had to start double timing at about the 54 minute mark. Then just skipping thru TT. Tapped out around 1:54. Going to have to start pre-scrubbing videos to see who's on the panel. Did they ever swing back around to Tony Gaskins? Or was it just the TT & Friends Show all night???
Thank you, Themis, for the conversation. I wish it hadn't ended the way that it did. I do hope this conversation will be revisited- I would love to come up and speak. I am a woman of color who was a devout Christian for 14 years... I mean super religious.. I was a member of one of the cults that premiered on Netflix! Anyway~ I extend a lot of grace and empathy for Christians and religious individuals because I truly understand- I was completely immersed in Christianity throughout my 20s mid-30s. After stepping away the church I was attending, I fully understand why some people view blind faith in Christianity as delusional, irrational, and illogical. I do still believe there is a God, but I am wrestling with Jesus about the doctrine.
@@SunshineMerchant I'd love to hear your views on this. I grew up southern baptist, transitioned to muslim, then buddhist then left it all. It's scary to walk away.
@@user-zz4wr2hm1y I would love to hear your views as well! I also transitioned to Islam but found it just as patriarchal and then some! I read up on Buddhism but never practiced. I view all religions in the same light... control the mind to control the body.
Truth Teller was disrespecful and disingenious the entire time she was up which was hours. Cyn spoke for what 15 minutes and suddenly it's all about her behaviour.
I think I'm going to like it here
You are most welcome
Hope you do! I love it!
❤
Can’t believe I missed the live 😢
Yes , you cannot believe in predestination and free-will.
If god know his children are so flawed why would he make his teaching so hard to interpret
Yes Themis. The way things are said matters
Themis doesn't have a block, you guys are trying so hard to force feed him your Christian ideology. Stop saying he has a block, he is not buying what you putting down. Just accept .🤗
I’m glad to be able to think logically and analyze information in absence of a delusional state. This discussion makes my brain heart. Faith is the belief in something that is not known, but in this realm, knowing is most important.
AI Themis looks goodt 😍😍😍
We are qualified to birth those who become qualified to preach the world of God but the ppl who let them feast on their body for 10 months damn near 1year isn’t strong enough or smart enough to lead a few ppl
Please leave this UP on your main channel. It's so fustrating anytime you have someone that thinks differently to your typical follower the convo of privating is mentioned. Discussing religion is ALWAYS going to get heated and let's be very clear, it was heated long before Cyn joined because I know some are going to jump on her.
The Bible has been edited 11 times. So many books have been removed. I feel that there were women who were disciples, but they've been written out of the final version 🤔
Girl, no one wants your academic insights. Keep that to yourself (JK). Let the girlies fight. LOL!
2:30:51 Orrrrr….Truthteller (& panel), yall can concede that maybeeeeee God is NOT all-knowing! Like….why is it so hard to grapple with that?
2:08:44 Why would the angels need to be saved? First off this is crazy. 2:10:40
Why bring religion to the discussion? Not everyone is religious. Surveys show that less and less Americans are religious. This is a public forum. You'll never get anywhere bringing religion into debates or discussions because religion is not always based on facts or logic. A lot of it is based on interpretation, faith and things you can't prove. Plus, there are different doctrines in different religions.
HE hardened the Pharaoh's heart. But he gave us free will? I didn't they say that God was all-knowing? The cognitive dissonance
He knew Pharaoh would never willingly let the people go because he got more out of them slaving for him.
He hardened Pharaoh's "NO", because he knew a "Yes" was never coming from him unless God's power (nothing like the magicians around at that time) was put on full display.
What I would like 2 kno is y did god kill all men besides Noah, but didnt take out Satan & his army if degenerates?
If I tell you I have to turn off my brain to engage with something as presented that thing is not meant for me. And no it doesn't matter if it's religion or a ham sandwich. Your logic, reasoning and critical thinking are your first line off defense to survive why in the world would you engage with anything that tells you not to engage your faculties? Something has to give. Without religion I wake up to the same beautiful day as my religious neighbors. I live well encourage others and know right from wrong based on how it impacts others. There is so much more to this life than the fear of a place no one could even confirm for you is even real. The only hell is the one in our minds if that is what we choose.
Right themis does this alot and it’s strange to watch most times
@@respectfullyg5580 I give grace when this happens because it's difficult when the thing you feel grounds you unravels. Its hard to unlearn or think about what else there is. Even mildly depressive until you settle or figure it out.
Is he driving in circles? Where is he going that he ain't made it there yet? With all that yapping he should be in Canada by now.
2:07 - 3:06 I can't tell if she's "battle rapping" or having a psychotic break 🥴🥴🥴
Edit: 2:39 "That it? Ok." 😭😭😭
I'm convinced that the Australian break dancer who "performed" at the Olympics rehearsed to a track by this woman 😭
2:49:00 Cyn said a word here.❤
Ok...im going to say it. Is he bracing us for some scandal he's involved in? Should we be anticipating some drama concerning this man?
Because I dont see people this agitated unless something is about to happen
Who?
tony gaskins I suppose.
2:58:50 Cynthia G never said any of them were “stupid.” Cynthia never 👎🏾 DIRECTED or MENTIONED Truth Teller, nor called her “stupid”, there were other individuals on the panels who kept their composure, and didn’t get triggered. Cyn was referring to the study 📖 and Truth Teller being IMMEDIATELY TRIGGERED supported the whatever argument the research study 📚 was indicating because she showed herself to be less intelligent…. Truth Teller was inappropriate and CENTERED herself the ENTIRE Live conversation. The other women barely spoke. Truth Teller interjected in everything and DERAILED the convo.
I Like both Cyn G and Truth Teller. Both are intelligent, educated Black women. We're fortunate to have both women contribute to Themis' channel.🙂
@1:49:19 I will submit to Themis all day long the way he debates ooooweee the way he made his point without a curse or stutter was very attractive. That’s the type of energy we should submit to. Good faith submission for the win!!!
I started reading the comments after stopping the video at 1:24… Good. I will save the remainder of this video for a later date cuz…I just can’t.
Themis you and these captions lol
Seems like a lot of people don’t like Cynthia. Even if she is telling the truth they will have an issue. I just wish Cynthia just stop going on these panels.
So do I.
I dont think cyn g tells the truth. She says alot of things loud and agressively. Its like wen people love celebrities like cardi b or red becuz they r seen as being "honest" wen they r just loud about their opinion
@brandond1947 But Cardi puts a sassy spin on it. She can be sweet and silly at times.
@@productioninquiry8937 I'm making the comparison of how they both will speak their mind in an unfiltered way. Cardi did that alot wen she first came into the game. Another person I would compare cyn g to is Charles Barkley
I just thought of this comparison but I do see some similarities of cyn with Charleston white and Candace owens with how she uses "shock value" to try and get a point of hers across (that may hold some bits of truths but lies in it). That's a wild comp but I see it alot
@brandond1947 All the people you mentioned have real money though, with the exception of Charleston. Why brand yourself that way when it won't make you rich? Angry Black woman isn't new.
I can’t even support Themis in this entirely because if the Christian god can impregnate a child I don’t need to follow believe love that type of creator 💀 but I’m on on Themis side
I will never follow the Bible it’s nothing that I think is positive for women
If women create life why would I ever believe a man is where women came from? Please ✌🏽
I wish Thinker was on this panel.
The Bible justifies men who have unalive women because of "jealousy". Please show we an equivalent verse for women's jealousy. It does not exist which is a why this Bible that was clearly written by MAN is a hot mess.
Proverbs 6:34 Study Bible: For jealousy arouses the fury of the husband. He won't spare in the day of vengeance. For jealousy enrages a husband, and he will show no mercy in the day of vengeance.
The way he talks is just triggering me for some reason lol
Tony could not elevate without his wife who missed her calling as a doctor
3:24:42 And this 🎯🎯😩😩 A LOT of Deeply SINGLE Christian & sometimes Married Christian women use the excuse of “BEING CALLED BY GOD” to stroke their own Haughty, High And Mighty Ego and USE GOD AS A COMPANION, USE GOD as to FILL A VOID within, even when they discover God later on in life… GOD, CHURCH ⛪️ & The Bible is their ONLY HOBBY & HUBBY PARTNER. 😂😂. Like they don’t have any identity outside of Religion & God. 😩
Not Tony tryna play deputy Jesus
Fate vs predestination....enter philosophy 101. This is a circular conversation until proven by multiple people separately and probably not an equal experience.
Why can't Truth Teller just say she disagrees with men being elders if they're not capable and admit, as a Christian and Human (like all Christians), she has an issue with aspects of the word. Be honest! Better to read one verse, and learn it well, than to read the whole book and have leant nothing. Matthew 12:1,2 The Lord agreed for the disciples to pick grain on the sabbath (even though he said to keep it holy) to feed themselves. I am sure if the Elders were not doing the word justice (as is evident in the community), he would agree for women to step in.
2:53:00...im DECEASED💀😂
You know I wanted to see the videos and hear the discussion about submissions. Submissions are used against women to fall in line. It seems the panel talked about everything else and derail the conversation.
If they are both made in the image of god then again can she not just submit to god
Free will means if we get it wrong, we're supposed to go to him, asking for forgiveness and guidance. The point is that we lean on him for everything. If we get it right all the time, then there's no need for him and we wont turn to him or worship him, he wldnt be God. We are supposed to go to him in demonstration of faith and love, and so prophecy can be fulfilled. I think this is what these women were trying to articulate.
This entire conversation was a circular argument. And Themis if you are to be a Christian try not to ask too much questions. Religion, and following religion requires that you FOLLOW.
follow blindly
God wants us to ask questions. Maybe humans don't
1:50:37 Another issue with the bible is all of these translations. The translation I grew up reading always worded that verse as two men fighting each other and a pregnant woman gets hurt. Not that the husband is 'fighting' the pregnant woman, as evidenced by later saying the husband must seek compensation from the man responsible for the injury. Or at least that is how it was explained to me. In any case, this doesn't change that i view the bible as a very misogynistic book.🤷🏾♀️
The Bible has been rewritten hundreds, maybe thousands of times. This is why Christians trying to convince anyone that the Bible is the truth doesn't make sense because the scripture could change tomorrow.
No one in the universe can tell me squat about the creator of ALL THINGS.... let alone a word on earth. A creator of all things (resting in omnipotence) would NEVER EVER EVER NEED to sacrifice any person, place, nor thing for NO person place or thing EVER!!!!! Is it even a sacrifice if so easily replaced? I'm tired of y'all thumpers. It be the arrogance for me 😂
If you have no connection with all things universal, u have no connection to the Creator of all things in the universe.
This is why i cant subscribe to religious doctrine. The cognitive dissonance presented in these arguments are frightening. The Bible was written by man, i can't follow a religious belief that encourages me to be subservient to another human, especially one that i birthed.
Yes he gives you free will but he already know what you’re going to do with that free will. But whatever happens in the end you can’t say you didn’t have a choice even tho he knew what choice you’ll choose
Why I never get any notifications?😢😢😢 I wanna come up on this one
Same. Mad I missed this one
REGRET - God Could have regret meaning sorrow and sadness. Lets say you KNEW for certain that you would meet your spouse in July 2025 and would remain happily married for decades and enjoy life, love, and wonderful children & grandkids together until your spouse passes away at age 68. Would you regret marrying your spouse after they pass? Would you say "I should've remained single because this grief is too much to bear?" Or would you feel regret as in sorrow for yourself and your children as you and your family grieve and have to move towards a future without that persons physical presence?
Usually when people have regrets it's because they made a mistake but Christians often say that God doesn't make mistakes. Also God is all knowing. So why would God have regret if he knows what's going to happen before it happens and has an ultimate plan for humanity? Wouldn't everything that's happening play into God's plan? So why have regret?
@NamasteInYourLane Regret also means sadness. God Could have meant regret meaning sadness. For example, if a child comes to you with a sad story and says "Timothy pushed me and I fell and scraped my knee" how would you respond? Most adults would show compassion and say "aww I'm sorry!" or "oh no, I regret that happened to you." This doesn't mean the adult made a mistake. Oftentimes the adult realizes that the childs experiences (good and bad) will help the child succeed in the long run.
God KNOWS the outcome IF you obey or IF you disobey BUT, you absolutely have the CHOICE. I'd argue that it's presumptuous of us to believe we can seek out everything concerning an omnipotent being who made us as well as the intelligence that we use (ironically) to undermine the CREATOR.
1:25:30 so maybe it's not about us, is about God wants to have a creation that doesn't question they fact that they "choose" God.
34:17. Are others of us allowed to have this stance because this is EXACTLY my position, particularly because the wisdom of this world is foolishness to the most high 🤷♀️
1:48:40 Herein lies the dangers of some of these alternative translations. That verse was talking about men [and men] fighting in proximity to a pregnant woman, injuring her & causing her to lose her child... When it is read as "when there is a fight..." it opens the door for so many misinterpretations. I cannot disagree with Truth Teller being adamant about a CLEAR REDRESS.
Doesn’t all human creation track back to a human/ape like mammal thingy through DNA/Mitochondria dating back some 5 million years before the Adam & Eve creation story! 65 million years after the dinosaurs extinction. 2:17:52
1:37:20 THERE IS NO TECHNICALITY WITH SALVATION. "HE that ENDURETH to the END, the SAME shall be saved." MATT 10:22 There is an EDURANCE that must follow. The teaching that baptism saves you is a part of why people "SIN" PRESUMPTUOUSLY.
2:34:03 Its not hard to understand at all what Themis is saying, if God knows our outcome in life. Even with detours, choices etc us humans may make. Wouldn’t God also know each alternative good, bad ? God would know shes going to take this turn if she does she may hit a pot hole..alternatively if she takes the other she can hit a tree. On and on again the possibilities should be endless because God is ALL knowing! Right?
Truth Teller's voice is lovely 💖
I didn’t hear her call anyone stupid 🤷🏽♀️ I might have to go back and listen again.
Since no man has seen God and he has created humans in his image, it couldn’t be referring to the external physical image. It would be our innate qualities such as love, wisdom, justice and power. While the Bible is often misinterpreted and certain teachings seem bizarre regarding women’s position, men are always held accountable. In Genesis Eve ate the forbidden fruit 🍋🟩 first yet in the Book of Romans 5:12 it states through one “man” sin and death entered the world. Adam was held accountable though he blamed Eve for his disobedience
You are either subject to a man, abstinent, or you have to leave Christianity. Ladies choose wisely because God already knows your answer. But there is a way back into Christianity if you choose to leave, stay tuned for the next episode of Bible study!
I think a lot of you are calling Truth Teller annoying, rude, and insufferable because of her stance on Christianity, but you all praise Cyn despite how she can be abrasive, condescending, and rude when speaking about Christianity and towards those who agree with it. Actually anytime some disagrees with Cyn, she goes ‘off’, over talks and gets loud-she’s even done it with Themis before… but it’s called ‘passion.’
I am not religious anymore, but Cyn literally insulted the intelligence of those who are and brought up ‘studies’ to prove it. She then tried to gaslight and say she didn’t call anyone unintelligent, but why bring up a study about it if you don’t agree with it?
Thank you for having me on the panel Themis, I do believe you want to believe and are trying to understand certain concepts In the Bible and the character of God which is why I joined the panel.
As for Cyn G, I always knew she operated from a place of church hurt but I understand now she’s just operating from fruits of her spirit, when it comes to Christians and religion as well and that goes for some of the women in the chat earlier.
I do pray Themis that you come into understanding of who God is and how operates.
A lot of us agree with her so we are bitter and we are church hurt too? Or is it that we are okay with admitting that religion is toxic and needs to be dismantled. We understand the purpose of it, but there has been way too much manipulation and brainwashing to get people to do things that are wicked. Consider yourself lucky to have never been put in a position to be abused and your abusers use the Bible to justify your abuse.
Y'all want to drag Cyn so badly. She never called anyone stupid. she didn't even use the word? Is Themis just trying to ruin her image or what?
The entire concept of faith is believing without proof. If you struggle with that you will struggle with being a Christian. Having questions is fine, that's one thing, your receptiveness to discussing them is another. The Bible really isn't literal in every sense. You can't pluck one or two verses out, out of context, and make it a referendum on the entire book. The portion about hitting a pregnant woman is in a part of the Bible that discusses the law including how to treat slaves. Reading the whole book isn't understanding the whole book. To truly evaluate misogyny in the Bible, at a book by book level, you would have to look at every book and verse that references the topic in context. You would have to examine it across translations and take Hebrew into consideration as well. This was an emotional conversation, start to finish. If you're not a Christian that's fine. But why are you upset? The amount of time I spend arguing about Islam is exactly none. Calling people liars, unintelligent, saying they're gonna get dragged, etc. It was foretold that this would not end well, the prophecy was fulfilled.
Scholars of the bible have already done this and the accepted consensus is that it is patriachial and misogynistic. Why is it wrong to not accept an answer if the story doesn't make sense? Every argument can't be "it's out of context" when the entire book has more and more reference to abusive unloving behaviors. If you can't handle the inconsistencies being called out I get it but people engage passionately when they are on the brink of a revelation.
@user-zz4wr2hm1y Who's not accepting it? I wasn't having the argument. If the topic has already been discussed, ad nauseum, then provide the two differing factions with those resources and move on. The passage about the pregnant woman being hit incidentally was 💯 discussed without context. The context of those laws is essentially slave codes for the people, of that area, during that time.
Rewatch. The context was there and no it wasn’t clear that it was slaves getting hit. Which would also be a problem regarding allowing slaves. The part of the book that discusses the law on hitting women doesn’t outlaw hitting women. There is also a chapter about killing women in rage!!! Read numbers for poisoning your wife because you think she is unfaithful. Deuteronomy 22:22-23, if a man rapes a married woman, the woman is put to death. Exodus 21:7, Israelite women slaves are not free after six years of service, men are. Hosea 1:3 God threatens to expose a woman’s nakedness and to give her to other men to be raped and beaten. Ezekiel 16 and 23. Read Lamentations!!!
@@ThemisThoth I accept that the Bible is patriarchal, I just personally believe that the approach to the debate yesterday was emotional, based on language used prior to anyone joining the live.
The Bible can be studied academically, and should be if you are going to argue about it. Parsing piece by piece doesn't serve the purpose. I am sure you would think people discussing Constitutional law, via Google searches and the interpretations of non-experts (or even one reading), are lacking rigor in their approach. I am no Biblical scholar, but there certainly are Princeton trained theologians you can engage with.
The context of Exodus 21 includes applying the laws of the 10 Commandments for Israelites at that time. Mind you, the 10 Commandments are not repeated verbatim in the New Testament. It's no different than a book of laws and ethical behavior from the 1700s that spoke to how to ethically treat slaves.
It covers...
Servitude: How to treat servants, including how long they serve and what happens if they refuse to go free
Personal injury: How to deal with violent crimes, accidental injuries, and injuries caused by animals
Property rights: How to deal with damage to property and how to compensate people for losses
Marriage: How to treat women, including the rights of widows and orphans
The death penalty: What offenses are punishable by death
Punishment: How to punish people who commit crimes, including the idea of "an eye for an eye"
@@user-zz4wr2hm1y "Scholars of the bible have already done this and the accepted consensus is that it is patriachial and misogynistic." this is just outright false though lol
I guess context is everything. Tony Gaskins made this short video off the back of a longer 30min video called ‘Only the real will last’ where he was sounding off against the fornicating Christian men and calling them out, he named them too. I don’t think he was shaming, he was just emphasising knowing your word and not letting men talk you out your draws. I don’t think it’s that deep, but that’s just my opinion. 🤗
Are you going to cover the Destiny situation? Since thats yalls euro kang and also yall were saying that BM were scared of Destiny lol. Aba just checked him. We know yall are going to ignore that Destiny because he isn't a BM that yall can blame for everything.