I love that the lore made it next to useless in an age where only Jedi had lightsabers (sith were ‘extinct’) so less and less Jedi had a reason to learn it! Love Star Wars 🔥
@@Cigarbawz Its one of the reasons Dooku choose it as his preferred fighting style, as he knew most jedi wouldn't be able to counter it or had become too reliant on soresu for defence which makashi hard counters (as seen in numerous fights between Obi Wan and Dooku, where Dooku just dominated him at every opportunity) Makashi is only countered by Shien, which Anakin uses, which basically relies on hard, fast counters and never relenting in the attack. Dooku was always on the defensive in those fights but his experience always prevailed. Untill it didn't.
Your ability to manipulate the lightsabers without causing a massive amount of jank is very impressive. When I do it its just them stunlocking every five seconds
So, to sum the all up: Form 1 - Hit everything except what's in front of you. Form 2 - Hit ONLY what's in front of you. Form 3 - Block it all, hit nothing at all. Form 4 - DO A BARREL ROLL. Form 5 - Hit them really, really hard. Form 6 - Step 1, fight. Step 2, improvise. Step 3, profit. Form 7 - AAAAHHHHHHH!!!
I loved the scene where Obi Wan grabbed Ventresses skull after chopping it off and throwing it to the ground, truly a groundbreaking part of The Clone Wars.
Form 8: whatever Rey was doing to that poor rock in Episode 8 after meeting Luke. Just start wildling flailing and hope to the Force your enemy walks into it, or runs away. A true classic.
To me, what Rey was doing in episode 8 seemed to be a very poor attempt at form 1, as form 1 mostly consisted of eight basic directional slashes, even it’s parries and finishers were variations on said slashes.
What you showed for Ataru is actually Jar-Kai, the 2 weapon subset of Ataru. Form 7 is called Juyo, and Vaapad is a spiritual martial art subset of juyo made by Windu and Sora Bulq.
Ataru has alot of acrobatics involved in its style. Which is something I can never do irl lol which is why something like soresu is more practical to me.
A couple of points: 1) Jar'kai is simply a dual wielding (one weapon in each hand) approach to combat. It can be combined with any lightsaber form but is usually associated with Form VI because Niman already specializes in dual attacks (Force + lightsaber). However, it has been showed combined with other styles such as Makashi (Asajj Ventress), Ataru (Ahsoka Tano, Starkiller) and ever Shii-Cho (Kit Fisto). 2) Vaapad is not a spiritual form, at least no more than the others. It simply allows a Jedi to channel their own darkness (and that of their Sith opponent) right back against the enemy.
I don't know if I am the only person that thinks this, but the way that the AI used the lightsaber makes me think of form III (Obi Wan's form), because he literally just blocked. Funny thing is: is that the form that got countered was Anakin's (Form V)
@@LoRoT no thats just your brain trying to make it seem that way...the blocks could have been attributed to any form you just chose to make it form 3 so it could fit the narrative of obi wan vs anakin XD
@@ndfirish27 i would say so too, but I think he probably uses Juyo as well since his style is much more agressive than Ahsoka and he constantly channels the Dark Side. The problem with Form 7 (Juyo or Vaadad) is that it's really hard to recognize it on sight, so I just assume that most darksiders use it.
@@Twinkiey I agree. After Ventress' master was killed, she learned her lightsaber skills mostly from Count Dooku and he's an expert at form 2, not form 5. She uses form 2, Jar'Kai is a completely different variant.
Form III was also I believe the least aggressive lightsaber form because it was designed to parry and strike with as little movement and force as possible, which in turn allows the fighter to last longer. Which is why Obi-Wan was able to outlast Anakin because while Anakin was tiring himself out, Obi-Wan was focusing on conserving his energy.
A perfect characterization of the master of apprentice. I think Obi-Wan began learning Soresu due to witnessing Qui-Gon tiring himself against Maul. While Anakin started taking to Djem-So to overpower his enemies and win the fight quickly as result of losing his arm to Dooku.
@@davidwas77 not only that but obi-wan was the only jedi to go toe to toe with the general and NOT die. because he mastered form III he was literally a immovable fortress and everyone else would either tire themselves out, or start making mistakes due to impatience and frustration. anakin suffered that same fate when he was becoming more brutal and ruthless in his form (one he used to overpower and overwhelm his foes) and because of his growing anger he messed up.
Yes obi wan is severely underrated. My favorite character and his fighting skills are amazing he has a low midiclorian count yet became one of the strongest Jedi. He is a representation of hard work, patience and perseverance. As you see in his form he he has mastered being unmovable, blocking and parring every hit with the slightest movements. His form requires patience and tenacity and he has more than enough of it.
This is absolutely going to be what I will be doing when I pick up VR. just blade and sorcery, bloodworks, etc with cool mods. I am such a big fan of different kinds of ancient, or fictional combat styles. Watching historically accurate longsword fencing in VR and now watching the saber styles which I have studied a little bit in VR is just an experience. I want to get into fencing, as well as LARPing so I can get a cross hilted longsword and rock people in the ancient Knight style.
There was also a forbidden lightsaber form known as trackata (probably wrong spelling) where you repeatedly turn off your lightsaber to confuse the enemy. The reason it’s forbidden is because the sith saw it as showing weakness and the Jedi thought of it as unsportsmanlike.(relatively sure this is just Iegends tho maybe dunno)
Love this! I've always been curious what the forms would look like from a first person perspective. I'm not disappointed. Beautiful work my friend - thank you for sharing with us!
Form 7 was actually Juyo and was similar to form 4 in it's use of acrobatics but it focused more heavily on aggression and vicious attacks. Usual used by the sith and famously by Maul not many Jedi used it as it somewhat went against their principles, Mace Windu designed his own version that he called Vapad and so far is the only know wielder of this style as he is one of the few force users that was a full jedi fighting on the side of the light but had managed to tap into and use emotion. This is why he would have been the perfect master for Anakin. The only other Jedi similar to this is Revan after he is returned to the light side as he still has all his knowledge of the Dark side.
Maul used niman form 6 to humiliate the Jedi since most Jedi used niman. Niman is easier than other forms and just balances out all the advantages and disadvantages of all other forms. Fun fact, no niman user survived in geonosis
Fun facts but slightly wrong, Maul used form 7 Juyo, one of the most aggressive and acrobatic forms, notably Mace uses his own variant of the form he named Vaapad however this is more of a state of mind than a full form as it allows the user to use their darkness without falling to it. This is what Anakin should have learned and why Mace should have been his master. Also the most common form among the Jedi was form 1 Shii Cho. But the Geonosis fact was right, and you aren't fully wrong as form 6 Niman was a very common form with no notable strengths or weaknesses, just not the most common. Fun fact Exar Kun used this form and it is a great example of how in the right hands it can be deadly. Hope you have a good day and may the force be with you.@@edgelorddragneel1142
@@lowestmoose5357 thx mate. I didn't know about Maul using juyo. Why did Qui gon say to the Jedi council that Maul is skilled in the Jedi arts when the philosophy of juyo is purely of sith origin?
No worries dude :) and Juyo isn't purely Sith, it was just favored by them as it was very focused on attack, some Jedi used it but it was kind of frowned upon, in fact mace uses it and he is on the council. Technically there is no purely sith form or force ability, everything was available to the Jedi but they just chose not to use certain things that were too aggressive, like force lightning, even Plo used something called force judgement that was basically force lightning and was frowned upon for doing so. As for what Qui Gon said it's just a bit of phrasing saying he fought a unaligned force user, remember even though the Sith were presumed extinct there still were force users out there not aligned with the jedi. He was just stating to yoda that whoever it was had Jedi training. @@edgelorddragneel1142
Djem so was a varient of base form 5 which is what Anakin used, he had started with base form 5 but quickly went to djem so which is much much more agressive. Also vapaad is a varient on base form 7, form 7 was used by maul whereas vapaad was created to counter it, instead of using emotion like form 7 it instead channeled dark emotion from their opponent so that the strikes went back to them. Shatter point was never part of it either, it's just something mace had used with it but having the ability wasn't necessary to the form
This is why I love VR so much. The person needs the skill and actually has to do it! You can even teach people physically in VR such as this video! It’s amazing and the work you do is phenomenal, I definitely learned a lot and also inspired me wanting to play Blades like this 😂
While that may be true, this person is clearly playing in slow motion and then sped up in the video in post. You can hear the enemies sometimes when they swing to attack, they let out a grunt, the grunt is super squeaky and is pitch shifted. @ 2:12 being an example
@@PsychoMoFoGamingThat's actually partly true and not true. Yes, you can fight decently by turning your wrists, but if you're going for a specific style, that's not true at all, and I'd know because I had VR and twirling the wrist randomly didn't help. I had to learn, and blocking attacks isn't the easiest either.
It used to be that when you stabbed someone with a lightsaber they die instantly. Now it seems they can take a lot of damage before falling with the only insta-kill being head cutting. I think I liked it better when stabbing them caused instant death. More in line with how deadly lightsabers are in canon.
Lightsabers aren't deadly in cannon, that's legends. I mean, Finn gets his back torn apart in Episode VII and falls asleep for a bit. Kylo get's stabbed through the stomach in Episode IX, and is just fine. In the Kenobi show a child Reva is stabbed through the stomach by Anakin, and Sith Reva by Vader, and survived both instances. It's actually very in line with cannon.
@@ChromedDomes True true. I guess it all depends on where you’re stabbed. Like the Grand Inquisitor who was stabbed in what would have been a vital area that resulted in death if he wasn’t from a species with two stomachs.
@@Arthus850 I mean, the Grand Inquisitor may get a pass, but even if a basic steel sword stabbed you in the chance, odds are you would die, while nowadays a stab with one of the most powerful weapons in the galaxy will cause you to crawl around for a few minutes.
@@ChromedDomes As I said, it usually depends on where one is stabbed. Even with steel swords, if you’re not stabbed in a vital area there’s a chance you’ll survive. Though with steel swords, bleeding out is also a problem, and if you don’t cauterize the wound, you will die from losing too much blood. Not an issue with lightsabers since the wound would be cauterized by the Saber itself. Plus, in both Clone Wars and Revenge of the Sith, both of which are still canon, being stabbed does kill you. And even some comics which were made during Disney’s run showed people dying instantly from being stabbed. It really does depend on where you’re stabbed. Though I doubt that’s a factor in Blade & Sorcery.
Ah yes, the most important aspect of lightsbaber combat, grabbing your opponent by the neck and repeatedly punching their face with the hilt of your saber.
Niman is seen by some as a mix of all the forms. In its' variation known as the way of the rancor it is all about using the pure power of the force rather than the lightsaber against your foes. The signature move set of way of the rancor is the pull and cut, or the slash and throw.
@@TheKisj form 4 uses the force the Amp physical attributes to do acrobatics and maneuvers while 6 uses and incorporates forced based attacks combined with tight blade work
Is there a possibility in doing a video showcasing the Tràkata form, the act of toggling your lightsaber mid combat to disorient your opponents. Fighting dirty! ♡
Awesome video! I was thinking more Yoda for form 4, but the way you showed off the dual-wielding was awesome Ahsoka work. It would be cool to see you mimic more of Palpatine's use of form 7, as well. I forget the name, but I know Vaapad was more Windu's personal spin on 7 than the official form. And Sidious was SICK w/ form 7 and it would awesome to see you doing that kind of moves.
Palpatine doesn't use Form 7. His form is a unique variation as form 7 doesn't usually emphasize stabbing motions, and almost all his attacks were stabs and thrusts. Darth Maul used Form 7.
A couple of things. 1: Shi-Cho is unique because it has no set move patern like all other styles so it is unpredictable. 2: Ahsoka used a variant of form 5 not form 4, Quigon and Yoda are famous users of form 4. 3: Vaapad is a variant of form 7 not the actual name of form 7
@@AllisterVinris no one`` was a master to the extent kit was. he was beating general greivous and would have killed him if not for the intervention of grievous' guards, and in the books put up a much better fight than in the movies, lasting until anakin got to the chancellor's room.
@@xanderbucher9625 Yeah I know, I'm just meme-ing don't mind me. But in more seriousness, whereas the Soresu is well known to be Obi-wan's style while also being known as the "defense style" Shii-cho is basically known as "That one thing everyone learns as a padawan", that's because it is simple and efficient, also easier to learn, which makes "mastering" it sound like not that big of a deal. Even though it obviously is. the more something is "simplistic" the harder it is to actually master it, but when you do it's VERY EFFICIENT. So yeah, I know, just making a bit of fun of poor Kit. (which is a character that I actually like, and I wish he had a better representation in the movies, but guess the costume made it hard to move for the actor so they got rid of him first int that one fight for film-making simplicity)
I'm still learning about this stuff, but are these styles consistent with characters in the different media? Like across the movies and the animated shows, for instance? I remember this one clip of the Revenge BTS on the duel on Mustafar where it just said "they fight" in the script, so to see there actually might be this consistency would definitely give me new respect for the choreography.
Prolly won’t see this since it’s a late reply, but it’s very noticeable that Obi-Wan in Episode III during his fights with Grievous and Anakin are primarily him being on the defensive- reflecting his status as a master of Soresu
@TWWAGojuKaiser Does it matter? Of course it does, such titles allow you to break the galaxy into light and dark, categorize it. Perhaps I am neither, and I hold both as what they are, pieces of a whole. Know that I am your teacher, and that is enough.
you do know that you are thinking about a Rapier? and even then Rapiers are still good at slashing. Even the way Count Dooku's lightsaber was built was made so it didnt need much movement to slash and was more accurate. Makashi was never about "precise stabs". his sword is literally a reverse Saber. (curved hilt instead of curved blade). The only reason you see Dooku never cutting off anybody's head is because that character would have some importance later in the movie. (or other movies).
@@Kyzen_Wrell I haven’t seen any Ataru stances like that. I watched every episode of the clone wars and all of the films. Not one Ataru user had a stance like that. I only saw it in Kit Fisto’s Shi-Cho.
@@Mr.BrainWrinkles I knew that. 😂 I was saying I thought you were gonna call him an Ataru specialist and I was gonna correct you but there was no need.
Does it matter? Of course it does, such titles allow you to break the galaxy into light and dark, categorize it. Perhaps I am neither, and I hold both as what they are, pieces of a whole. Know that I am your teacher, and that is enough.
I love how this is literally more realistic than most lightsaber moves we see in the movies (except maybe for Form IV and V, which are fundamentally quite unrealistic). No, seriously-lots of forward guard, lots of small pokes and small cuts, not too many acrobatics, avoiding large swings (except at the end when the enemy is already defenseless and they can't couter‐hit you, but at that point it's no longer really lightsaber fencing anyway), that's exactly what you would expect for a weapon that's light and can cut you and your opponent without exerting any meaningful amount of force
Also if you want to get technical: Shii-cho: Any Jedi Class Makashi. Any Jedi Class Soresu. Any Jedi Class Ataru. Guardian or Sentinel Shien. Guardian or Sentinel Niman. Sentinel Juyo. Guardian Jedi classes are guardian sentinel and consular. Guardian and Sentinel learn 6 lightsaber forms & force forms Consular learn 3 lightsaber forms and 4 force forms
Anakin after killing Dooku "He was an unarmed prisoner, I shouldn't have done that, it's not the Jedi way..." This guy: *systematically butchering the disarmed, the injured and the surrendering.*
Everybody talks about the brutality of Djem So or Vaapad, but nobody talks about the elegance and efficiency of Makashi.
1:39
this sentence would kill a medieval peasant
For my OC, Makashi is actually his main form.
I love that the lore made it next to useless in an age where only Jedi had lightsabers (sith were ‘extinct’) so less and less Jedi had a reason to learn it! Love Star Wars 🔥
@@Cigarbawz Its one of the reasons Dooku choose it as his preferred fighting style, as he knew most jedi wouldn't be able to counter it or had become too reliant on soresu for defence which makashi hard counters (as seen in numerous fights between Obi Wan and Dooku, where Dooku just dominated him at every opportunity)
Makashi is only countered by Shien, which Anakin uses, which basically relies on hard, fast counters and never relenting in the attack. Dooku was always on the defensive in those fights but his experience always prevailed. Untill it didn't.
"Shi-Cho focuses on maiming opponents"
*Proceeds to chop the next guy's head off*
Lethally Maimed is still maimed 😂
My thoughts exactly
@@brandongilbertson3552 same haha
Also attempts to stab his opponent in the chest multiple times
Lets he honest this guy loves chopping heads off
dude the way you use all of these styles makes you 10X more brutal than any jedi. I'm proud.
... but the jedi(masters) knew all the styles too
@@olearris A lot did not
Yes they are because most are inaccurate to the actual form.
That's how it goes when they aren't fighting droids in kids shows.
He does not have to comply with the restrictions of Dis-Ney
Your ability to manipulate the lightsabers without causing a massive amount of jank is very impressive. When I do it its just them stunlocking every five seconds
He uses the slowmotion and is speeding the game up in post process.
@@arnold_ondra7456 Yeah I caught on to that, still pretty impressive though, especially some of the ataru stuff
there's a setting you can disable in the files that prevents them from getting stunned on a parry
@@yeen.7209 which setting is that? i need it soo badd
@@yeen.7209 where do i find that
So, to sum the all up:
Form 1 - Hit everything except what's in front of you.
Form 2 - Hit ONLY what's in front of you.
Form 3 - Block it all, hit nothing at all.
Form 4 - DO A BARREL ROLL.
Form 5 - Hit them really, really hard.
Form 6 - Step 1, fight. Step 2, improvise. Step 3, profit.
Form 7 - AAAAHHHHHHH!!!
Its..perfect.
It’s hilariously accurate
I read the ahhhhh in my head out loud and everyone laughed
Too True
3 is actually more like "Try to block most, if you see an opening try to strike"
I loved the scene where Obi Wan grabbed Ventresses skull after chopping it off and throwing it to the ground, truly a groundbreaking part of The Clone Wars.
ventress gone, carry on.
@@bullseye28Hello fellow Alfox fan
@@Peepisthegoat a surprise, but a welcome one
4:02 that is the single most impressive thing i have seen in a VR video ever holy freaking hell.
I agree! ❤
Opened up his blade arm with a kick, struck him in the throat, then sliced his head as he was falling?
That was dope asf
ngl the entire Ataru showcase was extremely impressive
not really he just pressed a button
Form 8: whatever Rey was doing to that poor rock in Episode 8 after meeting Luke. Just start wildling flailing and hope to the Force your enemy walks into it, or runs away. A true classic.
bullshido form
Ah yes, form 8. The way of the baseball bat.
To me, what Rey was doing in episode 8 seemed to be a very poor attempt at form 1, as form 1 mostly consisted of eight basic directional slashes, even it’s parries and finishers were variations on said slashes.
@@myworstenemy7966 yakuza fan spotted
Ray don't exist
What you showed for Ataru is actually Jar-Kai, the 2 weapon subset of Ataru. Form 7 is called Juyo, and Vaapad is a spiritual martial art subset of juyo made by Windu and Sora Bulq.
Ataru has alot of acrobatics involved in its style. Which is something I can never do irl lol which is why something like soresu is more practical to me.
Actually Ahsoka uses Shien, with Jar- Kai which just refers to dual wielding.
A couple of points:
1) Jar'kai is simply a dual wielding (one weapon in each hand) approach to combat. It can be combined with any lightsaber form but is usually associated with Form VI because Niman already specializes in dual attacks (Force + lightsaber). However, it has been showed combined with other styles such as Makashi (Asajj Ventress), Ataru (Ahsoka Tano, Starkiller) and ever Shii-Cho (Kit Fisto).
2) Vaapad is not a spiritual form, at least no more than the others. It simply allows a Jedi to channel their own darkness (and that of their Sith opponent) right back against the enemy.
form nerd
@@Apjokilif you’re on this video I don’t think you should say that…
4:40 the AI had an amazing counter attack on him. They executed the form so perfectly.
I don't know if I am the only person that thinks this, but the way that the AI used the lightsaber makes me think of form III (Obi Wan's form), because he literally just blocked. Funny thing is: is that the form that got countered was Anakin's (Form V)
@@LoRoT no thats just your brain trying to make it seem that way...the blocks could have been attributed to any form you just chose to make it form 3 so it could fit the narrative of obi wan vs anakin XD
1:36 I love the little Dooku saber dodge
You could've also put Qui-Gon or Luke for Ataru, and the actual normal Form 7 is Juyo which you could've had Palpatine or Maul for
Luke is djem so yoda is ataru
@@lafabl6503 ohh, but i feel like Yoda would've been too hard to do since he does like triple flips
@@Trukmuche1 1. That was the example in the video
2. His variation is Vaapad, not Juyo
Yoda uses Ataru to right
@@Broshorts14 Yeah but it might be too hard to fight like yoda considering he bounces off walls and does triple flips and stuff
Ashoka actually uses a variation of form V. She uses the reverse grip which works well with her acrobatic fighting style.
Yep. She uses Shien (usually in the Jar'kai variation) + Ataru, which gives her both strong defensive and powerful offensive potential.
starkiller uses form 4 with dual lightsabers if i remember correctly
@@ndfirish27 i would say so too, but I think he probably uses Juyo as well since his style is much more agressive than Ahsoka and he constantly channels the Dark Side. The problem with Form 7 (Juyo or Vaadad) is that it's really hard to recognize it on sight, so I just assume that most darksiders use it.
@dartharaneus67, that's probably a good guess
@@ndfirish27no. He uses form 6 with a mix of ataru and shien (he adapts it to his own benefit) that's why he's the best
Anybody notice at 1:06 his first Makashi opponent successfully did a behind the back block before summarily being beheaded? Low key jedi master lol.
Your bladework is solid. Well done. Should you continue on this path soon you shall achieve the rank of Jedi Knight.
Mace:But not as a Jedi Master
Or sith lord
@@SomeTexan Mace: A Sith *LAWD?!*
bros already a master
@@ericmonaco4509 that's unfair!
Ashoka Tano also apparently used Jar kai a different variant of form V that specialized in double wielding 2 lightsabers
Jar'Kai isn't its own form it just denotes dual wielding. Any form can use Jar'Kai
@@Twinkiey I agree. After Ventress' master was killed, she learned her lightsaber skills mostly from Count Dooku and he's an expert at form 2, not form 5. She uses form 2, Jar'Kai is a completely different variant.
anikin added ataru to asoka's style to help mitigate weaknesses
Yes but I think we can all agree yoga is the better Ataru user
*Form VI. It’s just a smaller portion of Niman, which makes sense since Niman is made up of all prior forms.
Form III was also I believe the least aggressive lightsaber form because it was designed to parry and strike with as little movement and force as possible, which in turn allows the fighter to last longer. Which is why Obi-Wan was able to outlast Anakin because while Anakin was tiring himself out, Obi-Wan was focusing on conserving his energy.
A perfect characterization of the master of apprentice. I think Obi-Wan began learning Soresu due to witnessing Qui-Gon tiring himself against Maul. While Anakin started taking to Djem-So to overpower his enemies and win the fight quickly as result of losing his arm to Dooku.
@@cmrobbins88 Yee exactly
@@davidwas77 not only that but obi-wan was the only jedi to go toe to toe with the general and NOT die. because he mastered form III he was literally a immovable fortress and everyone else would either tire themselves out, or start making mistakes due to impatience and frustration. anakin suffered that same fate when he was becoming more brutal and ruthless in his form (one he used to overpower and overwhelm his foes) and because of his growing anger he messed up.
Yes obi wan is severely underrated. My favorite character and his fighting skills are amazing he has a low midiclorian count yet became one of the strongest Jedi. He is a representation of hard work, patience and perseverance. As you see in his form he he has mastered being unmovable, blocking and parring every hit with the slightest movements. His form requires patience and tenacity and he has more than enough of it.
This is absolutely going to be what I will be doing when I pick up VR. just blade and sorcery, bloodworks, etc with cool mods. I am such a big fan of different kinds of ancient, or fictional combat styles. Watching historically accurate longsword fencing in VR and now watching the saber styles which I have studied a little bit in VR is just an experience. I want to get into fencing, as well as LARPing so I can get a cross hilted longsword and rock people in the ancient Knight style.
The escalation from Form 1 to 2 is hilarious 😂😂😂
5:00 the disrespect of snatching the lightsaber out of her hand FOLLOWED BY that Thanos chokeslam and afterwards. By the force!
3:26 There may have been more brutal kills, but hot damn that was so quick and clean.
5:00 Thats to be the most Anakin thing I’ve ever seen… even got the signature “You turned her against me!” Choke Special right😂
2:21 That punch was personal 💀
I've always loved how Niman essentially boils down to "whatever the fuck you want".
1:31 the Makashi hilt bash is top tier
I like how you did the Jedi thing of disarming then beheading like the Jedi were taught.
There was also a forbidden lightsaber form known as trackata (probably wrong spelling) where you repeatedly turn off your lightsaber to confuse the enemy. The reason it’s forbidden is because the sith saw it as showing weakness and the Jedi thought of it as unsportsmanlike.(relatively sure this is just Iegends tho maybe dunno)
not just to confuse, also to deny blocks and hit through them ^^
Also lightsabers in original lore didn’t turn on and off fast enough to make it practical.
@@TheNuisanceBird if you're really good with the force you could technically turn it on faster, but I don't see anyone doing that since it's forbidden
Both arguments sound dumb
@@TechnoMinarchist yeah that’s my thoughts to
Dooku's form just looks more epic and elegant than the rest, my type of choice for sure.
Love this! I've always been curious what the forms would look like from a first person perspective. I'm not disappointed. Beautiful work my friend - thank you for sharing with us!
I can feel your anger. It gives you focus, makes you.. stronger.
the best thing about this is the subtle differences between form
That was insane! I didn't even know it was possible to throw the sabers around like you did in Ahsoka's style!!
* *When you get chills from seeing a perfect parry* 1:58 *
It’s funny how this has better lightsaber fights and decapitation than Disney star wars
Form 7 was actually Juyo and was similar to form 4 in it's use of acrobatics but it focused more heavily on aggression and vicious attacks. Usual used by the sith and famously by Maul not many Jedi used it as it somewhat went against their principles, Mace Windu designed his own version that he called Vapad and so far is the only know wielder of this style as he is one of the few force users that was a full jedi fighting on the side of the light but had managed to tap into and use emotion. This is why he would have been the perfect master for Anakin. The only other Jedi similar to this is Revan after he is returned to the light side as he still has all his knowledge of the Dark side.
Maul used niman form 6 to humiliate the Jedi since most Jedi used niman. Niman is easier than other forms and just balances out all the advantages and disadvantages of all other forms. Fun fact, no niman user survived in geonosis
Fun facts but slightly wrong, Maul used form 7 Juyo, one of the most aggressive and acrobatic forms, notably Mace uses his own variant of the form he named Vaapad however this is more of a state of mind than a full form as it allows the user to use their darkness without falling to it. This is what Anakin should have learned and why Mace should have been his master. Also the most common form among the Jedi was form 1 Shii Cho. But the Geonosis fact was right, and you aren't fully wrong as form 6 Niman was a very common form with no notable strengths or weaknesses, just not the most common. Fun fact Exar Kun used this form and it is a great example of how in the right hands it can be deadly. Hope you have a good day and may the force be with you.@@edgelorddragneel1142
@@lowestmoose5357 thx mate. I didn't know about Maul using juyo. Why did Qui gon say to the Jedi council that Maul is skilled in the Jedi arts when the philosophy of juyo is purely of sith origin?
No worries dude :) and Juyo isn't purely Sith, it was just favored by them as it was very focused on attack, some Jedi used it but it was kind of frowned upon, in fact mace uses it and he is on the council. Technically there is no purely sith form or force ability, everything was available to the Jedi but they just chose not to use certain things that were too aggressive, like force lightning, even Plo used something called force judgement that was basically force lightning and was frowned upon for doing so. As for what Qui Gon said it's just a bit of phrasing saying he fought a unaligned force user, remember even though the Sith were presumed extinct there still were force users out there not aligned with the jedi. He was just stating to yoda that whoever it was had Jedi training. @@edgelorddragneel1142
This dude is RUTHLESS
Djem so was a varient of base form 5 which is what Anakin used, he had started with base form 5 but quickly went to djem so which is much much more agressive. Also vapaad is a varient on base form 7, form 7 was used by maul whereas vapaad was created to counter it, instead of using emotion like form 7 it instead channeled dark emotion from their opponent so that the strikes went back to them. Shatter point was never part of it either, it's just something mace had used with it but having the ability wasn't necessary to the form
shi-cho: the disarming and maiming form. *PROCEEDS TO CHOP OFF HEAD*
this was a genuine treat to watch, especially your Ataru showcase.
Unfortunately, it's not at all accurate. Fun to watch
@@obi501 sadly, a true representation can't fully convey onto VR just yet. Regardless, he does demonstrate the core principle behind the forms.
@@sekira4516 eh... Not really
I sense darkness in this one
This is why I love VR so much. The person needs the skill and actually has to do it! You can even teach people physically in VR such as this video!
It’s amazing and the work you do is phenomenal, I definitely learned a lot and also inspired me wanting to play Blades like this 😂
While that may be true, this person is clearly playing in slow motion and then sped up in the video in post. You can hear the enemies sometimes when they swing to attack, they let out a grunt, the grunt is super squeaky and is pitch shifted. @ 2:12 being an example
You dont need any skill. You can replicate any fighting style by just twirling your wrist.
@@PsychoMoFoGamingThat's actually partly true and not true. Yes, you can fight decently by turning your wrists, but if you're going for a specific style, that's not true at all, and I'd know because I had VR and twirling the wrist randomly didn't help. I had to learn, and blocking attacks isn't the easiest either.
It used to be that when you stabbed someone with a lightsaber they die instantly. Now it seems they can take a lot of damage before falling with the only insta-kill being head cutting. I think I liked it better when stabbing them caused instant death. More in line with how deadly lightsabers are in canon.
it's only because of sectory and possibly other mod conflicts
Lightsabers aren't deadly in cannon, that's legends.
I mean, Finn gets his back torn apart in Episode VII and falls asleep for a bit.
Kylo get's stabbed through the stomach in Episode IX, and is just fine.
In the Kenobi show a child Reva is stabbed through the stomach by Anakin, and Sith Reva by Vader, and survived both instances.
It's actually very in line with cannon.
@@ChromedDomes True true. I guess it all depends on where you’re stabbed. Like the Grand Inquisitor who was stabbed in what would have been a vital area that resulted in death if he wasn’t from a species with two stomachs.
@@Arthus850 I mean, the Grand Inquisitor may get a pass, but even if a basic steel sword stabbed you in the chance, odds are you would die, while nowadays a stab with one of the most powerful weapons in the galaxy will cause you to crawl around for a few minutes.
@@ChromedDomes As I said, it usually depends on where one is stabbed. Even with steel swords, if you’re not stabbed in a vital area there’s a chance you’ll survive. Though with steel swords, bleeding out is also a problem, and if you don’t cauterize the wound, you will die from losing too much blood. Not an issue with lightsabers since the wound would be cauterized by the Saber itself. Plus, in both Clone Wars and Revenge of the Sith, both of which are still canon, being stabbed does kill you. And even some comics which were made during Disney’s run showed people dying instantly from being stabbed. It really does depend on where you’re stabbed. Though I doubt that’s a factor in Blade & Sorcery.
Style reformed by mace Windu, encourages the channelling of emotion... Proceeds to beat the piss out of someone with the hilt of the Lightsaber xD
0:27 disarming the enemy he said, it would be without cost he said...
Ah yes, the most important aspect of lightsbaber combat, grabbing your opponent by the neck and repeatedly punching their face with the hilt of your saber.
“I’m gonna bask yer bloody skull in!”
I’m more impressed by how accurate your saber throws are. Mine usually fly everywhere except where my target is
Yeah dude I remember when Obi-wan impaled someone and then decked them in the face with his fist. very cool.
Now creative videos like these are what I like!
"A Focus on disarming and maiming enemies"
*Literally decapitates every enemy that apears in front of him*
"Focus on maiming the enemy"
*proceeds to decapitate the dude*
The subtle flipping off he does with form 4 as he throws the saber really got me 😅
I'd love to see what he looked like filming this
Man though you wield the lightsabers of the Jedi, you are a born sith!! Brutal kills 🔥🔥
Niman is seen by some as a mix of all the forms. In its' variation known as the way of the rancor it is all about using the pure power of the force rather than the lightsaber against your foes. The signature move set of way of the rancor is the pull and cut, or the slash and throw.
I thought form IV was the one focusing on using the force in combat
@@TheKisj form 4 uses the force the Amp physical attributes to do acrobatics and maneuvers while 6 uses and incorporates forced based attacks combined with tight blade work
@@mr.finesser6303 thanks
@@TheKisj np
Imagine Blade and Sorcery multiplayer, people would just pull some prequel fight
This is why I love star wars, the effort you put in can really show.
The Jedi are peacekeepers 😂😂
Is there a possibility in doing a video showcasing the Tràkata form, the act of toggling your lightsaber mid combat to disorient your opponents. Fighting dirty! ♡
My favourite part of the prequels is when Dooku catches Obi-wans head in mid air and throws it into the ground 1:35
Awesome video! I was thinking more Yoda for form 4, but the way you showed off the dual-wielding was awesome Ahsoka work. It would be cool to see you mimic more of Palpatine's use of form 7, as well. I forget the name, but I know Vaapad was more Windu's personal spin on 7 than the official form. And Sidious was SICK w/ form 7 and it would awesome to see you doing that kind of moves.
The original version of form 7 is called Juyo IIRC. Would have been really cool to see but Vaapad is cool too.
Palpatine doesn't use Form 7. His form is a unique variation as form 7 doesn't usually emphasize stabbing motions, and almost all his attacks were stabs and thrusts. Darth Maul used Form 7.
This is brutal
A couple of things. 1: Shi-Cho is unique because it has no set move patern like all other styles so it is unpredictable. 2: Ahsoka used a variant of form 5 not form 4, Quigon and Yoda are famous users of form 4. 3: Vaapad is a variant of form 7 not the actual name of form 7
Ah yes, the delicate and traditional style of bludgeoning your opponent in the head with the butt of the saber hilt
The fact you didn't acknowledged Yoda as the master of Form 4 is outrageous
Makashi- *proceeds to bash this man’s face in with the hilt of the saber*
All jokes aside, very cool video
By far one of the best blades and sorcery videos I’ve seen. We’ll done brother
Niman is My favorite form.
the way you executed it was perfection
kit fisto was a master of form 1
yeah but pretty much every one that's not a padawan is a master of form 1 let's be honest.
Also Kit Fisto is a master at dying way too soon.
@@AllisterVinris no one`` was a master to the extent kit was. he was beating general greivous and would have killed him if not for the intervention of grievous' guards, and in the books put up a much better fight than in the movies, lasting until anakin got to the chancellor's room.
@@xanderbucher9625 Yeah I know, I'm just meme-ing don't mind me.
But in more seriousness, whereas the Soresu is well known to be Obi-wan's style while also being known as the "defense style"
Shii-cho is basically known as "That one thing everyone learns as a padawan", that's because it is simple and efficient, also easier to learn, which makes "mastering" it sound like not that big of a deal.
Even though it obviously is. the more something is "simplistic" the harder it is to actually master it, but when you do it's VERY EFFICIENT.
So yeah, I know, just making a bit of fun of poor Kit. (which is a character that I actually like, and I wish he had a better representation in the movies, but guess the costume made it hard to move for the actor so they got rid of him first int that one fight for film-making simplicity)
During form V, is ANYONE gonna mention how smooth that choke-slam to face punch to finishing stab was? Shit was RUTHLESS.
I'm still learning about this stuff, but are these styles consistent with characters in the different media? Like across the movies and the animated shows, for instance? I remember this one clip of the Revenge BTS on the duel on Mustafar where it just said "they fight" in the script, so to see there actually might be this consistency would definitely give me new respect for the choreography.
Prolly won’t see this since it’s a late reply, but it’s very noticeable that Obi-Wan in Episode III during his fights with Grievous and Anakin are primarily him being on the defensive- reflecting his status as a master of Soresu
@@TheMarketableJackFrost Saw it! Thanks for the reply :) I'll keep that in mind during my next watch!
When doing djem-so he got discombobulated
This is some realllllly really cool stuff. The ai actually duels you too. Can you point me to a list of mods you use?
hes just using outer rim, its just that the ai in this game is genuinely good
Thom jedi: "this form focuses on disarming and maiming"
also Tom Jedi: *beheads the next guy*
You should know, a Jedi's role is to defend life not take it.
Yup...that's how they always lose
@@stormshadowctf Maybe so. But they never lost themselves. And also, only Sith deal in absolutes.
@TWWAGojuKaiser Does it matter? Of course it does, such titles allow you to break the galaxy into light and dark, categorize it.
Perhaps I am neither, and I hold both as what they are, pieces of a whole. Know that I am your teacher, and that is enough.
Obi-Wan: "It's a lightsaber, a weapon for more civilized times"
Tom jedi: (0_0)
Only issue so far is makashi is more precise stabs not always slashing heads off
you do know that you are thinking about a Rapier? and even then Rapiers are still good at slashing. Even the way Count Dooku's lightsaber was built was made so it didnt need much movement to slash and was more accurate. Makashi was never about "precise stabs". his sword is literally a reverse Saber. (curved hilt instead of curved blade). The only reason you see Dooku never cutting off anybody's head is because that character would have some importance later in the movie. (or other movies).
@@untiff7169 yes that form is still for more precise attacks then the attacks shown here. To me they all looked identical
@@jedell the curved hilt being the way it makes them more precise...
" Master Tom Jedi, I urge you to stop teaching the padawans. You're literally killing them". - random jedi i guess.
Did anyone notice that the stance he used for ataru is the same stance when Kit Fisto got his padawans lightsaber when he fought general grievous?
Only because the styles share similar. Similar opening Stances (Ataru has a frick ton)
@@Kyzen_Wrell I haven’t seen any Ataru stances like that. I watched every episode of the clone wars and all of the films. Not one Ataru user had a stance like that. I only saw it in Kit Fisto’s Shi-Cho.
@@Mr.BrainWrinkles Think there was a slight communication. I thought you were implying that Fisto was an Ataru specialist not Shii-Cho. Lol
@@Kyzen_Wrell Oh. Well Fisto is a Shi-Cho user.
@@Mr.BrainWrinkles I knew that. 😂 I was saying I thought you were gonna call him an Ataru specialist and I was gonna correct you but there was no need.
1:44- Lol, dude got almost completely Anakin'ed (aside from the one leg)!
Which mod do you use to make the enemies sound like they've been pitch shifted in post? 🤔
The animism skywalker lightsaber was just clean
So you're a Sith.
Does it matter? Of course it does, such titles allow you to break the galaxy into light and dark, categorize it.
Perhaps I am neither, and I hold both as what they are, pieces of a whole. Know that I am your teacher, and that is enough.
So excited to see makashi
This demonstration is the epitome of "Stop, he's already dead!"
Form 5 is "I don't know, just wail on a motherfucker."
Strongest hilt in the galaxy!!
Form 1 - Shi Cho. Simplistic and Traditional
“Okay class let’s start off by taking heads”
The head bonk at 1:31 is perfect.
Count Dooku was a literal BEAST
Bro is the ultimate lightsaber duelist he’s mastered them all
I love how this is literally more realistic than most lightsaber moves we see in the movies (except maybe for Form IV and V, which are fundamentally quite unrealistic).
No, seriously-lots of forward guard, lots of small pokes and small cuts, not too many acrobatics, avoiding large swings (except at the end when the enemy is already defenseless and they can't couter‐hit you, but at that point it's no longer really lightsaber fencing anyway), that's exactly what you would expect for a weapon that's light and can cut you and your opponent without exerting any meaningful amount of force
Shii-Cho: Kit Fisto i think
Makashi: Count Dooku
Soresu: Obi-Wan Kenobi
Ataru: Yoda
Shien: Anakin Skywalker
Niman: Exar Kun
Juyo: Darth Maul
Also if you want to get technical:
Shii-cho: Any Jedi Class
Makashi. Any Jedi Class
Soresu. Any Jedi Class
Ataru. Guardian or Sentinel
Shien. Guardian or Sentinel
Niman. Sentinel
Juyo. Guardian
Jedi classes are guardian sentinel and consular.
Guardian and Sentinel learn 6 lightsaber forms & force forms
Consular learn 3 lightsaber forms and 4 force forms
nice job on form 6 and 7. really captured the wide and flowery movement style of form 7
Jedi: we are keepers of the peace
Also Jedi: I will slice you, dice you, put you in a stew!
Anakin after killing Dooku "He was an unarmed prisoner, I shouldn't have done that, it's not the Jedi way..."
This guy: *systematically butchering the disarmed, the injured and the surrendering.*
"For defense - reselience"
2:20 *throws left hook*
it wouldve been funnier for Form II because its about Elegance lol (and accurate to HEMA.)
Nah man throwing hands shows resilience wym lol
This was so unexpectedly yet deliciously violent.. I’m beyond impressed 🤣
Even you show casing the forms in VR is better than all lightsaber fights in Disney movies haha
That last kill in Form I was clean
"Form used by jedi masters"
*Proceeds to murder unconscious and defenseless people left and right. *
I would have thought that was Anakin's form.