The Mark 45 (Mk 45) Naval Gun System | FIVE INCH FIREPOWER
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- The Mark 45 gun 5" (127 mm)/54 caliber (Mk 45) lightweight gun is a U.S. naval artillery gun mount consisting of a 5 in (127 mm) L54 Mark 19 gun on the Mark 45 mount.It was designed and built by United Defense, a company later acquired by BAE Systems Land & Armaments, which continued manufacture.
The latest 62-calibre-long version consists of a longer-barrel L62 Mark 36 gun fitted on the same Mark 45 mount. The gun is designed for use against surface warships, anti-aircraft and shore bombardment to support amphibious operations. The gun mount features an automatic loader with a capacity of 20 rounds. These can be fired under full automatic control, taking a little over a minute to exhaust those rounds at maximum fire rate. For sustained use, the gun mount would be occupied by a six-person crew (gun captain, panel operator, and four ammunition loaders) below deck to keep the gun continuously supplied with ammunition.
Variants:
Mod 0: used mechanical fuze setter. Two piece rifled construction, with replaceable liner.
Mod 1: electronic fuze setter replaces the mechanical one. Made with a unitary construction barrel, which has a life span approximately twice that of the Mark 42 gun.
Mod 2: export version of Mod 1, but now used in the US Navy (DDG 51-80 / CG’s)
Mod 3: same gun with a new control system; never put into production.
Mod 4: longer 62 caliber barrel for more complete propellant combustion, higher velocity, greater range at +20 nm (36 km) and thus more utility for land attack
Fully-automatic naval gun mount employed against surface (Anti-Surface Warfare - ASuW), air (Anti-Air Warfare - AAW), and land attack (Naval Surface Fire Support - NSFS) targets.
The MK 45 gun was developed as a lighter weight, more easily maintained replacement for the MK 42 5”/54 caliber gun mount. It is designed to engage surface and air targets and to provide naval surface fire support for expeditionary operations. The MK 45 Mod 4 gun mount upgrade includes a longer barrel (62 caliber) that improves the gun’s effectiveness as a land attack weapon (naval surface fire support).
The gun mount includes a 20 round automatic loader drum. The gun's maximum firing rate is 16-20 rounds from the loader drum per minute. The rounds in the loader drum can be fired with one crewmember located at the EP-2 console below deck. Additional rounds can be accomplished by the full crew (Mount Captain, EP-2 Operator and four ammunition handlers), all of which are stationed below deck.
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I love how the little door opens-up after every shot, and it looks like someone simply shoves the casing out.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Like it's a complete fake gun, just some gunpowder being set off and then "Oh I know lets chuck out a casing, that'll make it look more realistic", So some poor sailor has sit in the turret and chuck out an empty casing each time.
Someone needs to animate that scene in a loony tunes art style lol
Worked on the MK45 Mod 0 and the MK42 Mod 9, I can still hear the Hydraulic pumps come to life. I knew every switch and valve on them. Pretty darn interesting ripping into these when casualties do happen. Lots of pipes and screws to get out of the way to get to the parts. Still use the technical skills learned in the Navy.... Order of operations is very important. The Magazine system is new, I always had the hand loading crew that smell in the magazine, nothing like it. May be good to include the importance of the Fire Controlman in CIC and running the Mark 34 Gun Weapon System. Those guys were great, Gunners Mates were the dirty, greasy Topsiders. Loved it! Took great pride in keeping the barrel grease looking good.
Shweeet Dude...
Naval guns are just so freaking cool to people who aren’t in the navy or maybe even in the navy. A full auto 157mm is so cool
127 not 157
Easily pleased
157 mm is 6.1 inches! 😉
That's what they all say!@@Aloh-od3ef
Other than the crazy railroad based guns and the one off oddities, naval guns are the biggest compared to land guns. The fire control systems are amazing also even back in 1945 we had gyro stabilized radar controlled targeting systems.
My dad was a Fire Controlman for the Mk 86 system on a spruance class destroyer. The system updated 100 times a second . In one exercise they were firing on a towed target sled. Another FC was supposed to put a 3 degree offset so the rounds were supposed to land just behind it. But he didnt and 3 round hit the sled and blew it up. The FC chief vouched for him. Another time they were going to be firing at aircraft target. I may not tell the story as it was but somehow the 5inch loaded a round and fired the round wizzed by the aircraft and the pilot was a pilot and Vietnam and knew rhe round was close. He was like "you just shot at me im out" the FC said i didnt not touch anything and it was verified. They get into port and a bunch of civillian employees came on board to inspect in an electical l box for the gun rhere was alot of corrosion and somehow the circuit was complete and it loaded and fire
I served on USS Kinkaid DD 965 1987-89....
Every time a shell casing hits the deck and chips it, a Bosun's mate weeps!😂
Know what, I have never seen a chip in nonskid.
On the ticonderoga we have shirts that say "when 5 is enough, we bring 10"
Sprucans and Ticos, 2 IS better than one when it comes to Mk45s, eh?
We had the 62 calibre version of the MK45 on my ship. During a live fire exercise, we were supposed to engage an automated, low-flying, target aircraft. Our gunner, FC2 McManus, was operating the the gun mount from CIC.
Without telling anyone, McManus fired off an AP round at the target, rather than the proximity-fuse, fragmentation type. He intended to follow up with AA rounds after the first shot, but he didn't have to. The first round was a direct hit.
After that, he boasted (justifiably) for some time about killing an aircraft with an AP round, but it also goes to show you the capability of this naval gun system.
My cousin. a 2nd Lt. with the 11th M.A.R., was KIA during an operation in Quang Ngai province, in 1966. His battery was supporting the 7th Marines, had moved their FDC, and he was repositioning his forward observers. Among them, was a naval gunfire support detachment, directing fire for 5 Navy destroyers, in rotation offshore. That had to mean thousands of rounds of 5" were being shot. That kind of fire support capability no longer exists.
A real American hero thank you
In my opinion, they should have these on the San Antonio Class ATD so they can provide their own shore bombardment as needed. Wonderful weapons overall. Also just watched a video about the new BAE system long range/high velocity rounds for this weapon.
Part of my early (U.S.) Coast Guard career involved carrying powder cases and projectiles for our ancient and honorable 5”/38, the predecessor for this system. (Navy surplus, probably from a decommissioned Fletcher or the like.) Couldn’t even track a Skyhawk in anti-air, but still perfectly adequate for intimidating drug runners and near-shore gunfire support in Vietnamese.
A note on metric: the 5”/38 was 5”, not 127mm. The 76mm Oto Melara that replaced it (~1973) is 76mm, not 3”. We use metric for a lot of stuff, just not as obsessed with it as the metric mafia across the pond.
127mm IS 5" (inches)
76 millimeters is 3"
Thanks for the video! The MK45 is the magic gun that puts the fight back in to the fight! But the Bosen's Mates hated it, as they had to re-seal the anti-skid after the shells hit the deck!
Makes you wonder why they didn't add some kind of slip to send the casing over the deck
I’m surprised a navalised 155/52 cal gun hasn’t been developed and adopted.
I think that you would find at least 2 issues. Firstly, the overall weight and volume of the gun mount as well as the magazine could be a major concern, especially on smaller ships. Secondly, the size and weight of the round would be a major consideration. Since the rounds are bigger and heavier, the ship would be forced to carry fewer rounds, and would be more dependent on re-supply vs a gun of a smaller calibre such as the 127 mm.
You take that back you landlubber heh.
It would be cool as the M777 are very good guns. Plus the reversal of the Navy receiving land based gun systems would be a cool point in history.
I think that Zumwltz were supposed to deploy a modified M777 weapon system.
Traditionally the Navy deployed 6” rapid fire guns (152.5mm).
It would be interesting to see what barrel caliber they’d modify it to.
Rate of fire and velocity of the round are more important in modern naval warfare then shear damage: remember the 155mm is an horowitzer round with a defined ballistic trajectory. The Zumwalt tried a 155mm but was a completely different beast and failed miserably.
The Germans also tried bringing their 155/62 on their latest frigades but in the end it was a failure and they mounted the OTO 127mm modern design, well proved, best in class and with Vulcano ammunition that really put the gun in a category on its own.
That was the gun my brother shot in the Navy. He was a gunners mate first class and the Ford 5 inch was his gun.
The UK will finally be getting this on the new ships , find it weird the navy stuck with the 4.5 inch for so long
I just realised that the UK wasn't a user till I remembered that just about every single test ship had one before being moth balled meaning they've been eyeing it for years. (Probably budget blocker it being adopted)
The 4.5”Mk 8 has been the standard RN main gun since the 1970’s. Upgraded several times, the type 26 will be the first RN ships to use the 5” MK 45
Missiles are great for the the long range to middle range. It's nice to have a moderate to close in weapon that can be called upon, especially for use against smaller craft, and far less expensive than the missiles. I like that the navy is using the proven 5" weapon.
Onboard USS Independence they had 4 5" 54 radar controlled 2 port and 2 starboard aft for BPDS and anti air, 1970. Put on quite a show especially during anti air practice, whoa looks like a scene from Victory at Sea as a Stoof pulling a metallicized banner made passes for gunnery practice 😳
Thanks Matt!
I’m playing Ultimate Admiral Dreadnaughts now and I’m crying in mark5s. 😂😂😂
damn it.. that intro makes me want some poptarts. I hope Paul is still fighting hard! We believe in you Paul!
for many years (1960 to around 2000) my father worked at FMC then it was bought out by United Defense then bought out by BAE. anyway, he was a machine maintenance on the tooling for making these weapons,
Best western guns is clearly Mark 45 127mm, Oto Melara 76mm and Bofors 57mm. The majority of European navy’s prefer the Oto Melara as a good compromise between the capabilities of the Mark 45 and the Bofors. The big variation of ammunition and also anti-missile capabilities together with the speed of turret and firing rate is a major factor. This seems to be the most used naval gun as in use, with more than 60 navies using it. Take a look at these other two’s also.
OTOBreda 127/64
The OTO Breda 127/64 is actually the most requested gune in Europe outside of the 76, selling very well even in the rest of the world. It trades a bit of utility in the anti air/anty missile defence, where the Strales system really is outstanding (drone kill rate in the red Sea) for a much heftier punch and range. The Vulcano ammunition alone sets the 127/64 in a category on its own.
Naval guns are really badass! Thanks for another great video Matt!
Thank you!
This Mark 45 gun system is popular because it is used in the USN. As commented below, an excellent competitor is the Otobreda 127/64 produced by Oto Melara. For a start, it has a significantly greater rate of fire than the Mark 45 (up to 43 RPM). IMHO, I think that you would find that the two systems would be comparable in the majority of other features.
With respect to the use of naval guns, there is a tendency to forget one critical feature of guns vs missiles -- that is its ability to be reloaded at sea. The frigates and destroyers have a limited number of missiles on board. Once they are fired, they cannot be reloaded without the ship tying up alongside. (fleet actions and various 'what-if' scenarios set aside). With respect to the gun systems on board a ship, if the supply of rounds gets low, the ship, more often than not, will get additional rounds during a 'replenishment at sea' (RAS). These rounds can then be loaded back into the magazines and permits the guns to be used again without the requirement to tie up alongside. Until there is an improvement made to enable missiles to be reloaded at sea, this will be a significant factor of guns over missiles. The other consideration is cost. Missiles are significantly more expensive than artillery rounds. The destructive power of approx 70 lbs of HE (one shell) can definitely give a navy significant 'bang for its buck' over that of a missile. If one factors extended range shells, then the naval gun becomes even more of a factor, IMHO.
Correction to the rate of fire -- was supposed to be 32. My bad.
@@edp8592 It's predecessor the Otobreda 127/54 Compact had a rate of fire of 40rpm. It looks like the need to handle long range precision munition slowed down the rate of fire.
The predecessor of the Mk45, the Mk42, had a fire rate of 40 rpm. The US Navy realized that the higher fire rate is not really useful. That's why they toned it down to 20 rpm.
I think it is far better at engaging air targets than one might assume. The USS Carney used it’s mark 45 to shoot down drones fired from Yemen.
This seems more comparable to the main gun of a tank then an artillery piece.
Your KA-50 video got me binge watching your videos. I've been away for awhile so I'm spending the day catching up. Thank you for all the amazing content that is filling my day 😊 love your work Matsimus, keep it up.
In my opinion. this is the future of naval warfare, Small fast heavily armed with multiple capabilities, That should be the Focus And i absolutely agree About less crew.
You can do ALOT with 5 inches, ask anyone.
There will always be a place for naval guns especially in the modern combat environment with respect to drones. Plus shore bombardment/fire support for the Marines has always been a mission of these guns.
As a former Army tanker, I really like this video. I didn't know much about this weapon but I'm impressed.
Awesome video Mat! Capacity, cost, range and lethality make artillery weapons a vital part of any arsenal. Great job security for all you gunners out there!
Good to see you back.
An OTO 127mm/L64 with Volcano and DART ammo puts many missiles at shame rangewise, plus I would like to see at least 4 anti-drone, anti cruise missile capable gun turrets on any decent ship, one 127mm, at least two 76 mm (57mm can be substituted if Bofors can offer a discount).
I love the those are my favorite more than the mark 45
Is there 127mm DART ammunition? From what I know the Strales system is designed for 76mm guns only.
Ammunition technology, such as programmable air burst rounds, make gun systems way more useful, and economical. Ships should carry thousands of rounds, and the ability to be resupplied at sea.
@@user-uw8bm1jv8k The Volcano is a lightweight, extended range, guided shell. The 76mm one can reach surface targets up to 40kms, the long barrel 127mm to 120 km. That is over 70 miles.
I would like to see similar coverage of the Oto Melaras.
Old guy appears out of the sea:
"You keepin' that brass?"
14:20 Killer Tomato!
You should note the ability to depress the barrel which is particularly usefull in dealing with drones.
I miss large caliber naval guns. It’s too bad that something like the Des Moines-class is no longer viable in today’s era.
Fletch class destroyer with five dual-purpose 5-inch/38 caliber (127 mm) guns says “Hold my beer”.
Easier to reload cannons verse the Vertical batteries of missles… plus cheaper
Not at all. The ships need more than one though: fore and aft.
Guns are cooler but missiles have a place to today 😊👍🏻👍🏻
Great, well put together video; thank you!
Thank you!
I think whether it's mk45 or 57mm bofors the naval gun can be very useful in some situations. It can engage air targets with no downtime whereas missiles have quite limited stocks or have to be reloaded. Against smaller craft, supporting a landing and why not even convoy raiding it is the perfect tool where using missiles would be too costly for the job.
What makes you think it has an unlimited supply of Rnds .
@@alangordon3283 Where did I say that?
For small enemy combatants and close in targets I think the 5 inch gun is a cost effective kinetic solution. Lasers are an up and coming technology that will handle more of the small airborne threats, but being able to effectively blow things up cheaply is a thing. When the US wanted to send a message to Iran back in the 80's they took out a couple of Iran's offshore oil platforms cheaply with 5 inch Naval guns.
Something about the desperate use of jigsaw foam mats and wool blankets to avoid unnecessary work struck a chord in this old soldiers heart. You just know a collective groan rung out below when it swept fire across the deck
Hopefully a video about the autobreda 127 next,as well as the future ammunition of these guns like the vulcano and the kingfisher and others
Amazing, my father's ship Somers 381 had
8 5 inch 38's now they just need one 5 inch
My father mentioned they were great guns and torpedoes never worked - always problems.
In fact his ship sunk 2 German ships at the battle of Port Cro's
Man that opening song sure made me hungry for pop tarts.
Good job reading the script B.A.E. provided.
It pays to be on good terms with your ship’s Gunner’s Mates. That way, you can come back from an underway with a 5in shell casing in your possession.
Also, these things are pretty wild. Like, every time one of those things fire, it doesn’t matter where you are on your ship, you WILL feel it. I had the good fortune of watching one fire from the bridge, and let me tell you, no video does the experience justice! And that’s just 1 gun! I can’t imagine the experiences my forebears must’ve had hearing a broadside of at least 4 of these go off back in the day!
I have one sitting in my living room right now, from my old ship, USS Deyo, DD-989. The hard part was finding one that wasn't bent up too bad from hitting the deck after being ejected. I managed to find one in good condition. The GMs were cool about it when I asked, 'sure, go grab one'.
@@buddystewart2020 that’s awesome. Mine’s got a sizable dent where the lip hit the deck, but I don’t mind too terribly. Might brush out the residue and polish it up a bit to make it look good
I've been on the weather decks of the Iowa (BB-61) when they broadsided the 16/50s -- nine of them.
Call it the ultimate heavy-metal experience. You know when they will fire when the gun barrels go still relative to the horizon as the stabilization kicks in compensating for ship motions. The command "Shoot!" comes over the 1MC.
There's this huge, hot, basso cracking BAMBABAMBAMBABABAM! not like a machine gun, less rhythmic, as the guns do not go off all at the very same instant. I've heard that salvo in my dreams.
Half the world turns orange. Then brown. A startling blast of heat like opening an oven door goes by you. The brown smoke thins and goes to that lint-gray color. My buddies said they could glimpse nine black dots hurrying away from the ship -- as fast as a rifle bullet -- but I never got that lucky.
It's the only time I ever actually felt the Iowa roll. Just once, and a bit swoopy. Then she's floating upright again. Iowas underway have a more palpable motion in pitch because of that long skinny bow.
With their old-school sheer to the main deck, they are terribly beautiful ships. Their nine great guns say "I am a weapon" in a silent but inescapable declaration. And they look like absolutely nothing else afloat, save for the pyramidal silhouette of a warship --- just bigger, oddly low in the water.
More Guns! Bigger Guns!
There will always be a place for a main gun on any military or even police /customs vessels. Ranging from a 50cal mini-typhon - 40 & 57mm Bofors - 76mm Oto Melara or the Mk45 .... it's a must. There is a movement towards guns that are air defence capable.
I think the Mark 45 was the same gun we used on the Iroquois class Destroyers before the Canadian Navy scrap them and I think it was Finland or Norway that bought the Mark 48 guns that are still in use today
It's weird that it's not equipped with thermal sleeve and muzzle reference device though I guess higher weight budget of naval vessel just allows to equip heavier thicker walled barrels and thus ignore the problems?
it got a watercooled sleeve around the gun tube
Imagine having this one ship in WW2. It can sink all the battleships easy. Its radar alone is a huge advantage, the enemy wont even know or see what hit them
A compact automated 16" gun system (1 or 3) would be cool to see.
Great video and my favourite ships the Arleigh Burke class destroyers have that gun so I love it
Big guns
Yes I think guns need to make a comeback too many reasons to list.
missiles, with their advantages sure are nice. but gun is a gun. bet it still is harder to block shell than shoot down missile. lets have them both, and plenty of them.
Modern missiles are actually harder to intercept than a projectile traveling a ballistic path.
spent the whole video waiting for a shell casing to go overboard.
7:47
Appears the MK48 beats the MK45
Why not a barrel evacuator to keep the fumes out?
All of the MK45 variants have a pneumatic evacuation system that triggers before the spent powder cartridge is extracted.
@@brianfottrell1170 I figured so. Then why are cordite fumes such a problem?
@@DavidFMayerPhD In general, the toxicity, but the evacuation system eliminates the danger through normal operation.
@@brianfottrell1170And that is what that little second puff of smoke is.
I think the Leonardo 5” has some advantages myself.
Do the spent casings get re-used or re-purposed?
Nope. Pressure to casing is too much so it cant be re-used.
*THE NAVY ONCE MADE A SINGLE BARRELED FULLY AUTOMATED 8 INCH/203MM GUN ON A DESTROYER*
An excellent video, Matt. Script is very informative, fast paced and very well delivered. I’m a new subscriber and remain very impressed with what I’ve seen to date. Thank you, sir.
I want to see them adapt the Mk. 45 into a tank gun. Autoloader for a 1 piece round, give it a fairly high elevation at least on a limited arc for use as an artillery support unit when needed. I don't know if they would want to go with a smoothbore or rifled barrel, probably smoothbore for the discarding sabot velocity advantages.
Yes... I would want TWO on my ships.
just doing some napkin math, using the data on muzzle velocity, weight of the projectile and a ideal 45 degree firing angle, it has roughly a 60km range.
Personally I think NATO navies should switch to 155mm. They would be able to share the already massive stocks with their NATO Army and Marine counterparts. And with the new rocket assisted rounds that are coming out that are suppose to push 70km NATO navies would be able to conduct shore bombardment while staying away from shore and over the horizon. And it would be a lot more cost effective than using surface to surface missiles to do the same job. Not that it would replace the cruise missile rather provide a cheaper option for lower value and/or less defended targets that still need to be hit from range. They would also get access to the now immense amount of GPS and Laser guided rounds and copperhead missiles that would be good for moving targets or targets that need pinpoint accuracy. The only major down sides I can see is it's a larger round and needs more powder which take up space and might pose a more of a safety risk since 155 still uses smaller but stackable bag charges. That also might reduce the fire rate if the auto loader has to sort out how many charges to use for each round. Even though I suppose it could become doctrine to just use a set amount of bags for each round and/' or develop a brass casing for the 155mm.
Wait, doesn't UK use it as well?
just rember many of the 5 inch deck guns on our ships have shot out barrels cause the navy is to cheap to replace them.
Given the proliferation of sea drones, pirate vessels and smaller naval threats like those of Iran as examples, guns of this type are more relevant than ever IMO.
It's an amazing system, but I think it's too big for my boat.🤔
my grampa had a Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight from the early 70s it could prob take a shell and keep going lol...jk but it was huge....we had some giant luxury cars back then
Loved always seeing ours get fired when I was on a DDG. Got a few powder casings, even a clearing charge shortie. Always got a good lookout spot, thumps the chest nice.
Do these guns have barrel droop sensors like I see on tanks?
its interessting to have a look on modern navy firepower , it would be interessting to see a comparisson of the BAE gun's compared to the other prime Nato suplier of Naval guns , Leonardo / Oto Melara wich seam more prevelant in europa
Yes please. I was a bit disappointed by the video. Much praise of the Mark 45, but in my opinion the Otobreda 127/64 is the better gun.
Is there a reason these naval guns didnt standardise to the same 155mm calibre that ground based artillery did? What is the extra capability that comes from the "non-standard" calibre? Is it not possible to use standard 155mm shells that are already in use with different propellant packages that are more suited for naval usage?
127mm is the standard caliber for naval dual purpose guns since before WWII. It's the heaviest ammunition, that can be handle securely by a single man on a rolling ship.
Traditionally it is also used in AA. There is no 155mm AA ammuntion. 127mm has a much higer sustained rate of fire than any
land based 155mm.
Adapting any land weapon to marine use is not trivial. It often fails, if it is not a design consideration from the start.
For example 155mm have to been certified to be stored so close to a really strong radar.
There have been several attempts, which all failed. E,g, Monarch derived from PzH2000. IIRC the UK experimented with a variant of the AS-90, but then choose the 127mm Type 45.
The dead to all experiments with 155mm guns in the US was the AGS of the Zumwalt class, which was an unmitigated disaster.
Hey Matt, What DO they do with all the ejected brass?
The problem with naval gunnery is the detectability and then the vulnerability of the launch platform.
The Ukraine conflict is a preview of WW3, and it does not look good for ships and armored vehicles.
@@user-uw8bm1jv8kYou’ll need ships anyway, whether they’re vulnerable or not.
@@user-uw8bm1jv8k Personally I think the skiddoo drone boats that have crippled the Russian Navy Black Sea Fleet could be repurposed as 1st wave amphibious assault support . To hit the enemies defences prior to any ground assault. To blow UP the wire entanglements kill zones etc. I say UP presuming that what makes thee skiddoo so effective is that it is so low in the water that it actually goes a few feet UNDER the target vessel. Thus stretching the keel past breaking point (as was employed by Germany WW2 with air dropped influence mines and after similarly in operation Starvation against Japan. in each case getting munition UNDER the target ship was key. And with wire Bangalores bang UP.
Each skiddoo could only blow may 15' depth of wire horizonatally, I mean 15 feet thick of wire, but as long s awe anv GPS LORAN or other positioning tach is up and unjammed those kiddos cloud jus time up one behind the other, maybe clodssing valves flooding tanks or compartmnts submerging and laying on the bottom until D Day H Hour M minute, blow tanks, blow exhausts and intakes with compressed air
Hit the start button
maybe 15 minutes laetr 100 skidoos blow 15' of wire then anther 100
Maybe 4 waves of 100 skiddoo drones. Then 3 waves of 100 amphibious tracked APCs like the old Buffalo design
that's 3,,000 infantry or 200 teams of three observers targeting 'painting' IR light on targets. To scupper their GPS jammers.
This would all this wiold be across a river mouth - all aimed at getting behind coast defenceds withsouit r storming any
Our atrtilletry takes out their atrillery.
That's, hopefully, the last of their trump cards. ar concepts for a a whole front war from the adruiatec to thev Baltic there, Trump of morale, artillery. amour, preparedness etc gave them sas
@@caelestigladii grain ships yes, but naval vessels? why?
@@brucebartup6161 Same reason during ww2.
Hi Mat, your thoughts on the HVP under development for these and 155s.
i'm surprised they haven't developed and deployed a combustible case propellant (a`la the 120mm of the M1 Abrams series!!) for 5 inch guns by now!
It's for both speed of firing and safety reasons, the USN hates fires on its ships.
@@ronhmclaughlin well the last time i looked the army wasn't too keen about fires in tanks either! i don't see where it'd be that much more of a hazard than a cased charge! and it don't seem to affect rate of fire on the tanks!! i'm not talking a unitary round here i'm talking a combustible propellant charge shoved in behind the shell!!
Cased charges are good that way. Long long ago they had bagged charges, which are nowadays used in bigger guns. A 16 inch gun uses six hundred-pound bags of smokeless powder for every shot, ram-loaded into the breech with machinery. Metal casings get awful heavy at that size.
@@w.reidripley1968 it's a hundred and ten pounds two ounces per charge bag for US 16 inch charge bags!
Meh. The US Navy has had almost a dozen guns of bigger bore, not to mention weights and calibers, and a three-gun 16"/50 Mark 7 could make islands go away.
Maybe if it was a two-gun mount, it wouldn't look so... out of place? Plus, it would add to the throw weight for supporting the Marines and other Naval/Amphibious Infantry forces. Also adds the redundancy of TWO guns. 😮
Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with the DoD, I just think that a "Gun Cruiser" like the US Des Moines-class with its 9 "main" 8"/55 RF battery and everything else upgraded to Aegis/VLS with a 5"/62 for the "boats" and close bombardment; kind of an amalgamation of the Des Moines, the Ticonderoga, and the Zumwalt.
The Type 45 was good for its time but the Otobreda 127/64 LW is a more impressive weapon system.
Need naval gun fire. Bring back the battleships or the 8" gun heavy cruisers at least.
AK 130 naval gun 😊
I wonder how the gun would do if put on a tank chassis. It is larger than the 105mm but smaller than 155, so maybe it would be good for an Airborne self-propelled gun.
Wouldn’t work as those systems are too tall, they expand quite far below deck.
Not too well most likely. The gun mechanisms under the deck - what you don’t usually see - is quite large. And while diameter wise a 127mm shell not that much bigger then a 120mm shell, length wise there is a considerable difference. Both of these things would make fitting it in a tank very difficult.
Modern tank cannons also generally fire rounds at much higher velocities then modern naval cannons.
@@Cris-xy2gi There are also over-deck systems, though usually not that large - the most well known one is probably the Italian 76/62 Sovraponte, which is essentially a 76mm CIWS since it also has the Strales system.
But there is a system that combines a naval-caliber gun and a land chassis, it's the Russian A-222 Bereg. It's a self-propelled coastal defense gun that is armed with an autoloaded 130mm cannon.
Does the barrel have some kind of cooling system. Some barrels are water cooled.
Can you please do a video on the entire Mk34 Gun weapon system, not just the gun alone? I came here looking for info on the Gun director system for the Mk45, not just the gun itself. I know there is a Mk20 Electrooptical director, but what radar provides gun direction? Does it use the AGEIS radar to aim the gun or one of the smaller SLQ-32 systems? It would also be interesting to do a theoretical bit about how the 16inch battleship guns would be aimed by the Mk34 system and how could the Iowa's 5 inch guns be replaced with two of these in the current mounts.
JUST IMAGINE 🤔, what would it look like if you designed this system to handle 16" inch rounds? I think that it is possible to achieve this goal. Just make the dimensions larger to handle the bigger round. Wouldn't that be cool! To have a 5" inch gun mount on one end and another gun that's placed somewhere else. Just my thoughts or maybe just daydreaming. Great video. Thanks.
A part of me weeps when ever I see things like this since it should be implemented in the Canadian navy as well. DND & the politicians need to pull heads from asses. When your biggest allies & closest neighbor have a fleet wide weapon system like this & you don't use it because let's face it our government has always cheaped out when it comes to equipping troops. Current government exemplifies that statement. It only causes issues in the event a shooting war happens from a logistics point of view. Can't share ammo if we are shooting 3 inch & the US ships all have 5 inch freedom dispensers. It doesn't mean they should run out & buy a bunch of Burks (but they should). It would be nice though if they would design our ships to use the same munitions as the US. It just makes sense to do so considering how many times our navy goes on joint operations with them.
"5 inch fire power" Just what I say to the wife.
Naval guns pretty much arent use as much for primary naval engagement, if youre… then youre have done alot of things wrong.
They are more for finishing off the main engagement, engaging smaller contacts, last line of defence and support for amphibious operations. Its a cost effective weapon system to finish off a job or an engagement method for a low value target. You can go lighter caliber with minimal lost of capability.
Ship manufacturer: Our warships are capable of sustaining battle damage and continuing to fight ! Also: can you put down rubber mats so that empty shell casing don't damage the deck please ?
The rubber mat is to protect the non skid paint on the deck from chipping. Not the steel deck
Ejected casings go clang.
Can this gun fire timed or proximity fused rounds?
Yes.
I wonder why they don't use 155 ammo. They could use the same as the army and this means only one supplier is neaded
How many rounds is the barrel good for?
So is this naval gun the same or more powerful than the 155 mm howitzer?
Do they use the same ammo?