In the Prog Seat: Criminally Underrated, Misunderstood, Or Do These Albums Just Plain Suck? (Part 2)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ค. 2022
- Join the In the Prog Seat crew for a discussion of some questionable albums from prog heavyweights that have mixed opinions amongst the fans and critics. This is Part 2 of a 2 Part series.
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That discussion about "The Final Cut", especially between Louis and Ken, is among the best I've ever seen on SoT.
Very touching and sincere takes from Luis about the Final Cut and about what music is all about, incredible, this episode was 11/10.
god bless Luis and his straight talk on The Final Cut. Moreso his reminders of why we listen and respond to music which in turn causes us to debate these works of art so many years later. and cheers raised to all of you for talking about important historical art and giving it renewed life and interest! always fun to listen
Funny how The Final Cut causes so much hot air. One can only imagine what it was actually like in the band, lol.
I'm so happy someone FINALLY brought up the reason Rick was a hired hand on The Wall and excluded from The Final Cut.... he was having coke issues and couldn't do what he needed to. This always gets overlooked and blamed on Roger. And don't get me wrong, I love Rick, I love all of them. But Waters was the only one bringing enough material to the table in the later years, so you get a Waters heavy album or 5.... Thank you Luis for making a big point. Oh, funny side note, I've done The Final Cut at karaoke, NEVER do that song at karaoke unless you wanna bring down the whole place lol.
Didn't get riled enough to comment til ya'll got to The Final Cut Mr Reid ..etal I am with you. Love this album But , then I feel That Amused to Death is good as anything Floyd ever did This album criminally underrated and misunderstood Love Roger his lyrics and his political activism Love that he gives a shit
Great episode this evening - vigorous, stimulating debates, especially in re The Final Cut. Thoroughly enjoyable and educational as well! Well done to all!
Luis’s analysis of The Final Cut was so impassioned and heartfelt it touched me greatly. As someone from Ireland the hatred and disbelief at Thatchers actions at the time was explosive . And Gilmour has stated since retrospectively that he had no material for the album and Waters needed to vent about the crazy war mongering of Thatcher who used the deaths of young men to get re-elected and support her policy of destroying mining communities. Thank you Luis.
Cheers Proggers. Really great show. I agree with Luis 100%. The Final Cut is a misunderstood masterpiece. I lost my Marine corp. father and I can’t get through it without tears. This is not for casual listening fans who dismiss it.
Well one thing this episode did was inspire me to listen to The Final Cut for the very first time. I am just a casual consumer of Pink Floyd.
Great show! I saw Brit Floyd last week and they covered The Gunner's Dream and it was fantastic mixed in with all those other Floyd songs. Yeah, I never loved the Final Cut back in the day but I'm appreciating a lot more now.
I could see this topic also being discussed within the Hudson Valley Squares with metal albums. Like Iron Maiden - X Factor, Judas Priest - Turbo, Metallica - Load, Dio - Angry Machine.
I agree with Mike below...one of the best episodes yet. Great discussion. I'd like to focus in on Genesis "And Then There Were Three". First of all, you all made some excellent points - great comments by the whole panel. I think I've made comments about this album before, so forgive me if I repeat myself. I think it is a rather misunderstood album, and underrated. I have to say I love this album. There are still a couple of great prog tunes by Tony: "The Lady Lies" and "Burning Rope" (I wish they had kept "Burning Rope" at its original length. I seem to remember that it was originally 10 or 11 minutes long, and they cut it down. A bad edit can be heard on the original album mix). "Deep in the Motherlode" is a great song - I heard it at 3 a.m. on the radio, driving west across western Nebraska on my way to Boulder, that was surreal! In fact, I really love all the songs on this album, with the exception of "Follow You, Follow Me", which is rather lame. But to say this was a transitional album for them into a more pop oriented band I think is where this album is misunderstood. First of all, they tried writing pop tunes right from the very first album, and Tony always expressed he wanted to be able to do that. But for me, "Abacab" was the album that was the big transitional record (which I was really disappointed in) and "Invisible Touch" was the clincher. I know that Mike is no Steve on the lead guitar, but I feel like what he did on ATTWT was effective, in the context. I'll say something sacrilegious, as much as I love Steve and his playing, I always sensed that he was a bit of an outlier in the band, a junior member. Major contributor and brilliant play, yes of course, but I feel like there is a bit of a revisionist history going on, especially with him doing the Genesis material on recent tours. Speaking of tours, I saw the tour for this album (1978, I believe it was, Assembly Hall, Bloomington, IN), and it was excellent! Tony had the ARP 2300 on stage, along with the Yamaha baby electric grand for the first time. Perhaps this album came off better live. One thing I'm not big on with ATTWT is the sound on this album - it's rather compressed and saturated. Would love for a fresh mix and mastering, don't think Steven Wilson will ever get asked to do it, though. One comment about "The Final Cut" - no Rick Wright, it's not a Pink Floyd album, to me. Cheers, guys, great job!!
I like 'Rock Island', even more so than 'Crest of a Knave'...it's a good hard rock album...I remember back in the day really liking 'Heavy Water' and 'The Whaler's Dues'. Being a flautist myself, I can appreciate this album and Ian's great flute solos. Having said that, I would agree that their earlier stuff is way better, especially the so-called Folk Rock trilogy of albums and even 'Broadsword and the Beast'...
Luis agree with you 100% about The Final Cut Album. Rock Island saw Tull on tour promoting this album, bought the album but not played it in years. Genesis it’s an album that’s just ok. E.L.P. I own a few of their albums but never heard this particular album.
The discussion here on The Final Cut makes this one of the best SOT episodes ever ... brilliant stuff, guys 🤘👽🤘
Absolute brilliant show guys. One of the best yet. Keep up the great work. 👍👍
What makes this show great, as well as music is when the notes cascade through our ears we all hear something different, not good or bad....just different. This episode reminded me why I love this channel so much. Luis brings such an amazing perspective on not only the lyrical content, but composition, musicianship and band politics. McDonald's......awesome analogy. Passionate and insightful. Stephen has a great way of explaining points on why he likes/dislikes a piece. John added a great deal of key points to the discussion, as well. I understand more clearly why they like what they like. Than Eric, Chad, Ken and Pete give their feedback and i can see so vividly why these discussions are so great. I am in the latter camp on Waters, however I respect these men and their opinions on their love of his music. BTW the back and forth ball busting makes for not only an educational experience, but quite an entertaining one. When these guys make one another piss their pants it is magic. Missed Chuck and Anthony's yellow hoodie....lol.
your discussion guys proved once again the ultimate truth about music that everyone will find something to love and that there are no wrong choices only personal choices and no matter what you chose it was a good decision as long as you enjoy listening. thx a lot gents fantastic again , pleasure to see you all. take care .
Well...is it entirely possible that 'In The Prog Seat' can keep getting better and better? Hell yes! Absolutely magnificent show. Best yet, for me...and I have said that before!! Brilliant insight and commentary, from everyone. As for Luis impassioned defence/critique/ love for The Final Cut...one of the most affecting and perceptive examples of rhetoric on music, I can recall hearing...probably ever...outstanding work guys... 👏👏👏