Imagine being one of the warriors of the Oathbreakers, you're at your post at home when suddenly your leaders come back from the meeting to inform you and the others that they have broken your oaths on your behalf by refusing to send you to your allies aid. ...I'd be pretty damn angry.
I would imagine that if they had left their king and gone to fulfill the oath anyways, they wouldn't have been cursed. Apparently not many takers for 'die once' instead of 'die for eternity'
@@sirsaucy122 But surely their first oaths would be to their own King. So to fulfill an oath given on your behalf to another King by your King, you'd have to break an oath of fealty to your own leige lord to do as he dictates. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
@@sirsaucy122 I can't blame the low-rank soldier. If I was one of them, I will follow my king and but if some high ranking soldier want to join the war and disobey the king order, 50-50 I will join.
I always wondered. Did they just go back home and somehow their moutain kingdom died? Like why are they all dead? Who killed them. Did they starve? Why didnt they move somewhere else? Did they stop having kids?
I never think about Aragorn much but whenever he comes into the story Im always fascinated by him. and Viggo played him so well! there could be no other
I've always taught my boys, 19, 12 and 9, you're only as good as your word. That someday your word may be all you have. I know it's just a story, but the truth is the truth, is the truth.
Being bed ridden after being in the hospital for weeks, I’ve been doing nothing except watching lord of the rings and watching Men of the West keep making these awesome videos like this one!
Golly what I love about this lore is the many places not just in Middle Earth but in others as well; the history and the legend of the area and what occurred. I also love the ending to this video. How you explained how important oaths were among people and how honor in oneself is important. That’s how everyone should be and it’s one thing I’ve learned and taken with me in life :)
i'm always a little impressed how you keep this nice moral message at every videos end. i would certainly be sick of searching for something positive to learn in every thing. you brighten my day once in a while 👍
Ya know I have always loved how Oaths and breaking Oaths work in the Legendarium and how they are in a way magic and how when you break them you would suffer very dire consequences. It shows how powerful and (most of time) dangerous to any in Middle Earth who take them. My favorite Oathbreakers would of course have to be the men of the Dimrill Dale and the White Mt.'s because if just how creepy they are and it once again proves just how serious and powerful Oaths can be, and I'm glad that they fulfilled their Oath and are now in peace. Anyway brilliant video Men Of The West, can't wait for the next one!!! :)
Maybe, but we only see what was said by Isildur. Over time alliances will crumble if they aren't maintained. I don't think the dead got a fair summary of their actions in the lore, but I suppose it's more dramatic to think of them as traitors than as people.
Mad Hatters in jeans this is an interesting point of view and can be made by much of Tolkien's storytelling style. However, the men did take an oath as opposed to simply agree to an alliance. Had they done the latter, I think your point would be more valid.
I'm inclined to agree. I think in the context of the Legendarium that an Oath is a greater than an agreement to ally with each other; its the most ultimate bond that exists.When the King (of the Dead) swore the Oath, he bound his bloodline and entire people to it. Either he didn't know the scale of what he was doing when he swore to Isildur or he knew what he was doing and was counting on his own character (or that of his descendants) to own up to it. When he (or his descendant) broke the Oath it didn't matter what the circumstances were. There's a lesson in that; don't swear oaths or make promises if there's a chance you'll change your mind later.
Love Lord of the Rings, but the Stone of Erech is a bit of a head-tilter for me - Elendil and the Faithful transported a gigantic, impossibly heavy, immovable stone. From Numenor. Via ship. To Middle Earth. One can imagine the poor saps who had to (somehow) move it to its final resting place - "My lord, is it necessary to move this all the way up the hill?" Keep up the great content!
Easier time then old kingdom Egyptian peasants who had to move 2 million impossibly heavy rocks, in the dessert, with much lower tech and no magical numemorian super strength.
It's interesting that you bring up the idea that the battle of Pelennor Fields would have been lost without the Oathbreakers' earlier assistance, given that they did break their original oath with Isildur. It would seem to me like Tolkien is communicating through the actions of the Oathbreakers that while breaking your promises is not good, if you eventually fulfill them, you can be somewhat redeemed. And it may turn out better for the person who you made an oath to. Just an interesting concept I thought you had brought up. Nice video as always
Maybe the battle would never have taken place to begin with. Maybe if Isildurs faith in humanity hadn't been shaken? Leading him to coveting The Ring of Power? So the success of the fields is a metaphor to trust?
Their pride led to centuries of suffering as spirits, by the time Aragorn leads them they are just grateful to be let go with no qualms whatsoever. This, combined with the Rohirrim fulfilling the Oath of Eorl up the river shows that the faithful eventually prevail over the faithless, as Sauron was said to feed lies to his human armies to make them hate Gondor.
Love this page. instead of going back in the archive or Silmarillion, i listen to you. Like the way you illustrate and tell it with a good voice. Keep on going!!! 😎
Very well done, very nice explanation! PLUS it is highly commendable that you reminded the viewers that there is a lesson to all of us regarding oaths in our lives.
Thank you for overlaying LOTRO over the top, when I came back to the game ( ive been gone since mines of moria) all has been added to the game and I mean a lot so it was nice to see where abouts in the story timeline I was, thumbs up
I always felt from watching the movies that Aragon's first true act as king was making surethattheir oath was fulfilled. I feel it was kind of helping him start the new line of kings with a clean slate. Love the videos as someone who is very unfimilar with the lore of Lord of The Rings these are great introductions. From Ireland
Hi there, I just wanted to say a much needed thank you to you for making these amazing videos! I've never truly been able to express my love for Tolkien's work and I feel that with these videos I can finally be myself. They are so interesting, and I really learn a lot. Thank you!
Thankfully, because of you, I asked my dad to get me the LOTR series for Christmas, he did. I am so happy that I am reading the books, they are AMAZING!
Every time I think I know you enlighten me further. Cheers to that. I'm intrigued that Isildur could curse them . His words forced them to live in limbo till the oath was fulfilled. This is the only time such an instance has occurred. As far as I know...
I have just happened upon your channel, Yoystan. Wow. JUST. Wow. Absolutely amazing. I love your passion for Tolkien lore, and your narration is always engaged and compelling. I have tremendous admiration for all the work you've done and the way in which you've done it. Thanks so much. LOVE YOUR CHANNEL! Adds so much to a day. The perfect bedtime escape.
Oaths get you to do horrible things, just like the sons of Feanor and trusting Ulfang the black turning on the Elves and men in the great battle. That's a good story to cover, the betrayals of oaths.
And we see that Elrond was insistent that the members of the Fellowship not be bound by any oath. There's likely even a Biblical connection here, one of many which can be identified in the epic tale.
Awesome video as always. Not sure if I have mentioned it, but I LOVE how you have the classic art through these videos, that style is just so beautiful. I guess I need to read the books again, I had forgotten about Aragorn finding royal remains.
Your work is beautiful. Really, your historical and storytelling skills grant a newfound magic to the already pretty magical work of Tolkien. J.R.R. Tolkien's legendarium is very important to me, as it is some sort of anchor between our real, concrete lives and the wonder as mysticism that exist to fuel our passions and dreams. I would like to say that this channel of yours has been keeping my dreams and wonder healthy and strong. Thank you so much!
Tolkien never tells us in his Letters, citing "unknown enemies". As someone had shut the door behind him, and then others broke his leg and extinguished his torch, perhaps at the time there were still living members of this tribe. Another theory is that Baldor fell into that passage,breaking his legs and desperately tried to hack the door open.
@@SantomPh Also possible his younger brother planned the entire thing. Dared him to go to a place many thought would be their doom. Plotted to ambush him and leave him to die, then assume the heir of Rohan title from him.
What if Video Ideas: -What if Aragorn claimed the One Ring? -What if Sauruman remained loyal to the Free Peoples? -What if the Ring ended up lost in the Barrow (I.E. what if Frodo had been unable to summon Tom Bombadil?)
Sauruman yielding to Gandalf's plea to repent his alliance with Sauron is something I've always wondered about too. It might not have changed Frodo and Sam's circumstances greatly, but certainly his advice and insight into Sauron's strategy would have altered the siege of Minas Tirith and the Battle of the Pelennor, not to mention the last stand at the Black Gate.
Lewis Samuel well if that happened the ring would not be destroyed. At the very end the Ring corrupted Frodo. It was Gollom's clumsy actions that got the Ring destroyed without harm coming to Frodo or Sam.
+Lewis Samuel If he had that action would probably allow Bilbo to become as Gollum had been. He certainly would not surrender his "precious" to Frodo and missed his chance to leave Middle Earth with the Elves.
Hi, I found this channel only yesterday, but I fell in love with it after the first video I watched. I love all of Tolkien´s work, and read the LOTR, Hobbit and Silmarillion. Even though I already know what you are talking about, I do find it quite interesting and it inspires me to re-read it once again. Anyway, your question at the end made me think. Personally, I believe that if the Oathbreakers did show up at the Battle of the Last Alliance, they might have betrayed Isildur and Free People just like it happened back in the First Age in the Battle of Unnumbered Tears when treachery came from faithless Uldor the accursed. They did, after all, worship Sauron, and would not fight against him. On the other hand, should there be no Oathbreakers and therefore no other path for Aragorn, Gimli, Legolas and the Grey company, I do agree that the Corsairs would have provided maybe a too big problem for Rohan´s army that was exhausted before the black ships arrived. Let´s not forget Denethor´s vision from palantir - it could have been manipulated by Sauron, but still could have been the truth and could have meant destruction of Minas Tirith. Finally, I also agree with some of people who already discussed the issue, that Aragorn has released the Oathbreakers exactly when he was supposed to. He did not want to summon them as it was, but he did it - for the great need had driven him indeed. He knew he needed their help, but he wanted to see them gone as soon as possible. He wanted help from those who would come of their own free will, not those who were under curse to fight.
Fun fact: In the movies the ghost army is modeled after the old knights of the 11th century like the Normans in the books they seem to be based off of the Scottish highlanders and Celtic warriors.
The oathbreakers were a necessary means to an end. We needed them in order to come to a sort of conclusion. But... you have to be pretty lost to accept that there's an end to this. There's an inherent need that we have in this life to maintain that balance, or else we won't know peace. The big joke is that it's something that can never be attained. It's a cycle, and it keeps going on and on.
As much as I loved Jackson's excellent trilogy for its visuals and especially music I still would love to see a totally different take of Middle earth in live action. I think a netflix series structure for the Silmarillion with hopefully more input from the Tolkien estate to happen. Or even just another take on the lord of the rings with a more subdued tone would be great fun.
Great video! Your content is always something to look forward to. Also, I just finished the Shadow of War Middle Earth game, and Isildur is a wrath in it.
Could Oathbreaker kill Sauron? Or atleast beat him and take his ring away? Or can they move object. Maybe they cant if they are just ghosts but what would happen if the king of the Oathbreaker wealed the ring?
manic mechanic I think that the Oath-breakers couldn’t physically harm anyone once they were dead, only scare their enemies away. That’s why once Aragorn and the Grey Company defeated the Corsairs he deemed their oaths fulfilled and released them, because he had already used their element of fear and surprise
steve kapinos That (dead) Prince of Rohan would care to differ with you I'd say Steve!! Didn't he say according to this very narration that "an unseen force" had broken his legs?! So it wasn't mere terror that they used to dispatch a foe. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more examples of real physical wounds and blows caused by this form of dead. Additional to this are the barrow wights, very similar lingering spirits which we also know for a fact could affect real bodily harm as suffered by Frodo & company.
manic mechanic That’s a wonderful thought, I’ve heard people say that to me many times and ask me this very question. But in my opinion it would go completely against what Aragorn had in mind he just wanted to Hold off the army of orcs long enough so Frodo could destroy the ring. Aragorn was not trying to defeat the armies of Mordor. That was impossible, besides Sauron Was probably capable of breeding more Orcs way faster then even Saruman. So really it would be counter productive for Aragorn to bring the armies of the dead to Mordor.
Sionnach1601 I’m not sure which prince that had his legs broken it was that you’re referring to. I don’t remember coming across that story. As for the Barrow-wights I think the difference was that no one was entirely sure of what they were; if they were spirits of dead Arnorians, apparitions conjured by the With-king from many years earlier or something else altogether. But you are right because they were able to make the hobbits fall under some sort of sleeping spell and entrap them in one of their tombs. I like to believe that Isildur’s power to curse the Oathbreakers was not as powerful as the Nazgul’s sorcery and therefore the Oathbreakers couldn’t act as a physically unstoppable ghost army for the heroes to use against their enemies, where as if they did it would cheapen Aragorn’s struggle to save Gondor. Aragorn had to figure out how to use them in a way that was more cerebral and cunning to ensure victory rather than through strength of arms alone.
The oath was to rise in defence of Gondor against Sauron.. Not defeating him.. Technically when they helped lift the siege, they completed their oath.. Just like Aragon didn't want to force anyone to help them and perhaps took pity on them since they were cursed for thousands of years.. And had their final rest taken away from them..
I love that during the trip through the mountains, everyone is on edge except Legolas, who's just mildly curious. I'm paraphrasing but he's like "I have no reason to fear the shades of men." It's for that reason I think they couldn't actually interact with the physical world. I can just imagine him thinking "Guys, calm down! I ain't 'fraid of no ghosts, and you shouldn't be either! Now, if they were wights from The Barrows? That's a different story..."
I have always felt that it was part of the song of Iluvutar and the Valar in beginning. Tolkein even said that Melkor did not know of all the little things that were sung by Iluvitar. I always felt this was a hint that many of small things came to pass leading up the the final battle were ordained from the start. Subtle things like the elvin Swords found in the troll cave, Bilbo finding Golllum and the one ring (he was well hidden!), and major things like the oathbreakers being held to oaths but long forgotten by Sauron. It was all in that song right from the start. At least that is how I saw what Tolkien wrote.
Yeah it's very interesting saying that their oaths were weighing down the stone making it seem more important than just a simple agreement. And that when somebody fulfills their own enlightens again. That's makes sense and how they were able to get it from numenor. Cuz it was that heavy I don't think any boat could take it simply anywhere down any river.
Excellent video and great topic! I need to re-ready the LOTR again... because of the movies I have kinda let them fill my memory of the story line and would love to go back to the original again
Very Good I was searching for it. But as Samwise Gamgee, I also ask why Mens fight each other in large numbers in middle earth. Does it implies distrustful relationship in real world between us ??
Do the Oathbreakers hold their convention at the Hooter's across the street from the stadium where Promisekeepers hold theirs? (...Except, hardly anyone shows up, cause well, they're oathbreakers)
"You waste your time, Aragorn! They had no honor in life, they have none now in death!"
-Gimli, son of Gloin
An elf go under ground...but a dwarf dare not....oh....ill never hear the end of it
Jayden Warran “There’s plenty for the both of us, may the best dwarf win!”
@@zackboesch7870 that still only counts as one! 😂😂😂😂
Jayden Warran He was twitching, cause he’s got my axe imbedded in his nervous system!
@@zackboesch7870 Do you think they knew what a nervous system was back then?
Imagine being one of the warriors of the Oathbreakers, you're at your post at home when suddenly your leaders come back from the meeting to inform you and the others that they have broken your oaths on your behalf by refusing to send you to your allies aid.
...I'd be pretty damn angry.
And you'd give the leader an ear full for 3,000+ years. I'd tell him about it every single day.
I would imagine that if they had left their king and gone to fulfill the oath anyways, they wouldn't have been cursed. Apparently not many takers for 'die once' instead of 'die for eternity'
@@sirsaucy122 But surely their first oaths would be to their own King. So to fulfill an oath given on your behalf to another King by your King, you'd have to break an oath of fealty to your own leige lord to do as he dictates. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
@@sirsaucy122 I can't blame the low-rank soldier. If I was one of them, I will follow my king and but if some high ranking soldier want to join the war and disobey the king order, 50-50 I will join.
I always wondered. Did they just go back home and somehow their moutain kingdom died? Like why are they all dead? Who killed them. Did they starve? Why didnt they move somewhere else?
Did they stop having kids?
I never think about Aragorn much but whenever he comes into the story Im always fascinated by him. and Viggo played him so well! there could be no other
I bid you STAND! MEN OF THE WEST!!!!
We want that outro back !
Sippito I second this!
Nah I'll pass
I've always taught my boys, 19, 12 and 9, you're only as good as your word. That someday your word may be all you have. I know it's just a story, but the truth is the truth, is the truth.
The Word of God became flesh and dwelt among us
The story doesn't have to be a true, to be true.
Being bed ridden after being in the hospital for weeks, I’ve been doing nothing except watching lord of the rings and watching Men of the West keep making these awesome videos like this one!
Golly what I love about this lore is the many places not just in Middle Earth but in others as well; the history and the legend of the area and what occurred. I also love the ending to this video. How you explained how important oaths were among people and how honor in oneself is important. That’s how everyone should be and it’s one thing I’ve learned and taken with me in life :)
Dude your videos have taught me so much more about the expanded universe of Tolkiens work, thanks!!!
i'm always a little impressed how you keep this nice moral message at every videos end. i would certainly be sick of searching for something positive to learn in every thing. you brighten my day once in a while 👍
Ya know I have always loved how Oaths and breaking Oaths work in the Legendarium and how they are in a way magic and how when you break them you would suffer very dire consequences. It shows how powerful and (most of time) dangerous to any in Middle Earth who take them. My favorite Oathbreakers would of course have to be the men of the Dimrill Dale and the White Mt.'s because if just how creepy they are and it once again proves just how serious and powerful Oaths can be, and I'm glad that they fulfilled their Oath and are now in peace. Anyway brilliant video Men Of The West, can't wait for the next one!!! :)
Maybe, but we only see what was said by Isildur. Over time alliances will crumble if they aren't maintained.
I don't think the dead got a fair summary of their actions in the lore, but I suppose it's more dramatic to think of them as traitors than as people.
Mad Hatters in jeans Yeah I agree tbh.
Mad Hatters in jeans this is an interesting point of view and can be made by much of Tolkien's storytelling style. However, the men did take an oath as opposed to simply agree to an alliance. Had they done the latter, I think your point would be more valid.
I'm inclined to agree. I think in the context of the Legendarium that an Oath is a greater than an agreement to ally with each other; its the most ultimate bond that exists.When the King (of the Dead) swore the Oath, he bound his bloodline and entire people to it. Either he didn't know the scale of what he was doing when he swore to Isildur or he knew what he was doing and was counting on his own character (or that of his descendants) to own up to it. When he (or his descendant) broke the Oath it didn't matter what the circumstances were. There's a lesson in that; don't swear oaths or make promises if there's a chance you'll change your mind later.
Schniedragon88 I agree with that! :)
Love Lord of the Rings, but the Stone of Erech is a bit of a head-tilter for me - Elendil and the Faithful transported a gigantic, impossibly heavy, immovable stone. From Numenor. Via ship. To Middle Earth. One can imagine the poor saps who had to (somehow) move it to its final resting place - "My lord, is it necessary to move this all the way up the hill?"
Keep up the great content!
Easier time then old kingdom Egyptian peasants who had to move 2 million impossibly heavy rocks, in the dessert, with much lower tech and no magical numemorian super strength.
The last word you spoke of our words and how they are tied to our honor and very being. I truly liked that. Thank you.
Great information to fill in the gaps in the movie and very nice graphics. You have the bearing of a man of honor.
thanks for the video, its always great to hear some good old stories from middle-earth!
Great voice and energy with these stories, please continue doing what you are doing this was awesome.
It's interesting that you bring up the idea that the battle of Pelennor Fields would have been lost without the Oathbreakers' earlier assistance, given that they did break their original oath with Isildur. It would seem to me like Tolkien is communicating through the actions of the Oathbreakers that while breaking your promises is not good, if you eventually fulfill them, you can be somewhat redeemed. And it may turn out better for the person who you made an oath to. Just an interesting concept I thought you had brought up. Nice video as always
Maybe the battle would never have taken place to begin with. Maybe if Isildurs faith in humanity hadn't been shaken? Leading him to coveting The Ring of Power? So the success of the fields is a metaphor to trust?
Maybe the Oathbreakers could have cured Middle Earth of thousands of years of turmoil?
Their deception and cowardess run far deeper than you may think. Just my speculation. Never thought of it til just now.
Their pride led to centuries of suffering as spirits, by the time Aragorn leads them they are just grateful to be let go with no qualms whatsoever. This, combined with the Rohirrim fulfilling the Oath of Eorl up the river shows that the faithful eventually prevail over the faithless, as Sauron was said to feed lies to his human armies to make them hate Gondor.
Can you please make a video explaining the map of arda over the ages
Beautiful rendering as always
So glad it's time for another video. Keep them coming.
There's many channels on the lore of Middle Earth ..but when this guy does a vid you can hear the passion in his voice..liked and subbed:)
Love this page. instead of going back in the archive or Silmarillion, i listen to you. Like the way you illustrate and tell it with a good voice. Keep on going!!! 😎
What if Galadriel accepted the Ring?
Would all love her and despair?
Would all fear her and rejoice?
(For the Bright Lord!)
King Of Cringe well she would be pretty strong, I'm guessing around Foundations of the Earth level
in the lord of the rings galariel comes very close to taking the ring when Frodo meets her and you see what she could have become!
Lol. I like that. It is a funny concept
The ring 💍 would have corrupted her into evil.
One of my favourite factions because of their hauntingly beautiful mountain city and their strange, dark nature and story! Good job once again!
Very well done, very nice explanation! PLUS it is highly commendable that you reminded the viewers that there is a lesson to all of us regarding oaths in our lives.
These are just amazing. So much work and so much info in every video. Just utterly fantastic and my favorite creator on TH-cam
To answer you final question, I agree. The whole war would’ve been lost, IMO. It was a perfect storm of ass kicking.
Been meaning to watch this video for a few days. Amazing i love the way its presented and your narration is astounding Bravo!
Thank you for overlaying LOTRO over the top, when I came back to the game ( ive been gone since mines of moria) all has been added to the game and I mean a lot so it was nice to see where abouts in the story timeline I was, thumbs up
Nice work! Especially liked your statement about the power of our word and the importance in keeping it. We need more integrity in the world.
I always felt from watching the movies that Aragon's first true act as king was making surethattheir oath was fulfilled. I feel it was kind of helping him start the new line of kings with a clean slate. Love the videos as someone who is very unfimilar with the lore of Lord of The Rings these are great introductions. From Ireland
Hi there, I just wanted to say a much needed thank you to you for making these amazing videos! I've never truly been able to express my love for Tolkien's work and I feel that with these videos I can finally be myself. They are so interesting, and I really learn a lot. Thank you!
Great video. I've read the trilogy, but never was able to completely get this whole relationship . Now I do ! THANKS
Thankfully, because of you, I asked my dad to get me the LOTR series for Christmas, he did. I am so happy that I am reading the books, they are AMAZING!
Every time I think I know you enlighten me further. Cheers to that. I'm intrigued that Isildur could curse them . His words forced them to live in limbo till the oath was fulfilled. This is the only time such an instance has occurred. As far as I know...
Very good, in-depth discussion of a topic seldom reviewed. Thank you! Keep making these please!
Such a video made the history alive in my mind. You narration was extremely good. Thumbs up!
Thanks for making your work. I've been very stressed and down as of late but your work provides levity
I have just happened upon your channel, Yoystan. Wow. JUST. Wow. Absolutely amazing. I love your passion for Tolkien lore, and your narration is always engaged and compelling. I have tremendous admiration for all the work you've done and the way in which you've done it. Thanks so much. LOVE YOUR CHANNEL! Adds so much to a day. The perfect bedtime escape.
i love your life lessons at the end
The Content in this Channel is Freaking AWESOMEE, I'm reminded of the books everytime
Oaths get you to do horrible things, just like the sons of Feanor and trusting Ulfang the black turning on the Elves and men in the great battle. That's a good story to cover, the betrayals of oaths.
And we see that Elrond was insistent that the members of the Fellowship not be bound by any oath.
There's likely even a Biblical connection here, one of many which can be identified in the epic tale.
Awesome video as always. Not sure if I have mentioned it, but I LOVE how you have the classic art through these videos, that style is just so beautiful. I guess I need to read the books again, I had forgotten about Aragorn finding royal remains.
Your work is beautiful. Really, your historical and storytelling skills grant a newfound magic to the already pretty magical work of Tolkien. J.R.R. Tolkien's legendarium is very important to me, as it is some sort of anchor between our real, concrete lives and the wonder as mysticism that exist to fuel our passions and dreams. I would like to say that this channel of yours has been keeping my dreams and wonder healthy and strong. Thank you so much!
I got chills
Wow...what a great series of videos! Well done sir!
This was a well made video. You did a great job detailing these events.
so if they couldn't touch stuff, how did they break that rohan dudes legs?
Lost Marimo mind bullets, bro
Tolkien never tells us in his Letters, citing "unknown enemies".
As someone had shut the door behind him, and then others broke his leg and extinguished his torch, perhaps at the time there were still living members of this tribe.
Another theory is that Baldor fell into that passage,breaking his legs and desperately tried to hack the door open.
@@SantomPh Also possible his younger brother planned the entire thing. Dared him to go to a place many thought would be their doom. Plotted to ambush him and leave him to die, then assume the heir of Rohan title from him.
@@emwungarand direct descendants of Eorl won't do that kind of thing, that's an insulting speculation.
He crapped himself so hard, his legs broke.
Great video this week Men of the West! Love the music too. Keep them coming.
Another excellent video! Thank you
What if Video Ideas:
-What if Aragorn claimed the One Ring?
-What if Sauruman remained loyal to the Free Peoples?
-What if the Ring ended up lost in the Barrow (I.E. what if Frodo had been unable to summon Tom Bombadil?)
Sauruman yielding to Gandalf's plea to repent his alliance with Sauron is something I've always wondered about too. It might not have changed Frodo and Sam's circumstances greatly, but certainly his advice and insight into Sauron's strategy would have altered the siege of Minas Tirith and the Battle of the Pelennor, not to mention the last stand at the Black Gate.
all of those sound like awesome stories.
What if Bilbo had killed Gollum in the misty mountains
Lewis Samuel well if that happened the ring would not be destroyed. At the very end the Ring corrupted Frodo. It was Gollom's clumsy actions that got the Ring destroyed without harm coming to Frodo or Sam.
+Lewis Samuel If he had that action would probably allow Bilbo to become as Gollum had been. He certainly would not surrender his "precious" to Frodo and missed his chance to leave Middle Earth with the Elves.
I love your input at the end about the spoken word, that was truth.
Hi, I found this channel only yesterday, but I fell in love with it after the first video I watched. I love all of Tolkien´s work, and read the LOTR, Hobbit and Silmarillion. Even though I already know what you are talking about, I do find it quite interesting and it inspires me to re-read it once again.
Anyway, your question at the end made me think. Personally, I believe that if the Oathbreakers did show up at the Battle of the Last Alliance, they might have betrayed Isildur and Free People just like it happened back in the First Age in the Battle of Unnumbered Tears when treachery came from faithless Uldor the accursed. They did, after all, worship Sauron, and would not fight against him. On the other hand, should there be no Oathbreakers and therefore no other path for Aragorn, Gimli, Legolas and the Grey company, I do agree that the Corsairs would have provided maybe a too big problem for Rohan´s army that was exhausted before the black ships arrived. Let´s not forget Denethor´s vision from palantir - it could have been manipulated by Sauron, but still could have been the truth and could have meant destruction of Minas Tirith. Finally, I also agree with some of people who already discussed the issue, that Aragorn has released the Oathbreakers exactly when he was supposed to. He did not want to summon them as it was, but he did it - for the great need had driven him indeed. He knew he needed their help, but he wanted to see them gone as soon as possible. He wanted help from those who would come of their own free will, not those who were under curse to fight.
Another episode, excellent.
I love the musical toon you have at the end!
That video was epic! Felt like a mini story. Thank you!!!
Nice video Houston as always
Thank you so much for this video. It was great!
The King called - and the Dead answered.
Great vid as usual! Finally i get these fellas explained in detail. I always wondered why they were so obedient to the heir of the gondorian crown.
Fun fact: In the movies the ghost army is modeled after the old knights of the 11th century like the Normans in the books they seem to be based off of the Scottish highlanders and Celtic warriors.
Dude thank you for making these videos
Once again, nicely done. Always a pleasure to see one of your videos after a long week at AIT.😎
The oathbreakers were a necessary means to an end. We needed them in order to come to a sort of conclusion. But... you have to be pretty lost to accept that there's an end to this. There's an inherent need that we have in this life to maintain that balance, or else we won't know peace. The big joke is that it's something that can never be attained. It's a cycle, and it keeps going on and on.
A very well done video. Kudos to you. Well thought through and nicely presented. I enjoyed the artwork also.
Your doing great work, the oath the oath what is a man if he not his word of honor. Tx I see the stone finally.
Yay! Been waiting for this! I love it!
I love your work - thank you!
Thank you so much for this.
I really appreciate it that you did this video.
I rarely press the like button, but i just did..only to the worthy one.
As much as I loved Jackson's excellent trilogy for its visuals and especially music I still would love to see a totally different take of Middle earth in live action. I think a netflix series structure for the Silmarillion with hopefully more input from the Tolkien estate to happen. Or even just another take on the lord of the rings with a more subdued tone would be great fun.
Good news for you chief, Amazon is making a series on it
@go5083 this didn't age well 😂😂😂
Love these videos! You are a great story teller!
Great video! Your content is always something to look forward to. Also, I just finished the Shadow of War Middle Earth game, and Isildur is a wrath in it.
I love your Videos Yoystan
I loved this comprehensive history of the oathbreakers.
Yes yes YES! Watcher in the Water video! I can't wiat!
Wonderful video! And always a greater appreciation for Tolkien and his works.
Could Oathbreaker kill Sauron? Or atleast beat him and take his ring away? Or can they move object. Maybe they cant if they are just ghosts but what would happen if the king of the Oathbreaker wealed the ring?
The last words of this video really speak to me. Only a coward hides behind his words. An honest man stands before his actions.
Another magnificent video :).
Your videos are the best part of Sunday nights.
Your videos are great man keep em coming )
I wonder why the oath breakers weren't taken to the black gates seems like Aragon could have cleaned out mordor for Frodo and Sam
manic mechanic I think that the Oath-breakers couldn’t physically harm anyone once they were dead, only scare their enemies away. That’s why once Aragorn and the Grey Company defeated the Corsairs he deemed their oaths fulfilled and released them, because he had already used their element of fear and surprise
steve kapinos That (dead) Prince of Rohan would care to differ with you I'd say Steve!! Didn't he say according to this very narration that "an unseen force" had broken his legs?!
So it wasn't mere terror that they used to dispatch a foe. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more examples of real physical wounds and blows caused by this form of dead.
Additional to this are the barrow wights, very similar lingering spirits which we also know for a fact could affect real bodily harm as suffered by Frodo & company.
manic mechanic That’s a wonderful thought, I’ve heard people say that to me many times and ask me this very question. But in my opinion it would go completely against what Aragorn had in mind he just wanted to Hold off the army of orcs long enough so Frodo could destroy the ring. Aragorn was not trying to defeat the armies of Mordor. That was impossible, besides Sauron Was probably capable of breeding more Orcs way faster then even Saruman. So really it would be counter productive for Aragorn to bring the armies of the dead to Mordor.
Sionnach1601 I’m not sure which prince that had his legs broken it was that you’re referring to. I don’t remember coming across that story. As for the Barrow-wights I think the difference was that no one was entirely sure of what they were; if they were spirits of dead Arnorians, apparitions conjured by the With-king from many years earlier or something else altogether. But you are right because they were able to make the hobbits fall under some sort of sleeping spell and entrap them in one of their tombs. I like to believe that Isildur’s power to curse the Oathbreakers was not as powerful as the Nazgul’s sorcery and therefore the Oathbreakers couldn’t act as a physically unstoppable ghost army for the heroes to use against their enemies, where as if they did it would cheapen Aragorn’s struggle to save Gondor. Aragorn had to figure out how to use them in a way that was more cerebral and cunning to ensure victory rather than through strength of arms alone.
The oath was to rise in defence of Gondor against Sauron.. Not defeating him.. Technically when they helped lift the siege, they completed their oath..
Just like Aragon didn't want to force anyone to help them and perhaps took pity on them since they were cursed for thousands of years.. And had their final rest taken away from them..
I love that during the trip through the mountains, everyone is on edge except Legolas, who's just mildly curious. I'm paraphrasing but he's like "I have no reason to fear the shades of men." It's for that reason I think they couldn't actually interact with the physical world.
I can just imagine him thinking "Guys, calm down! I ain't 'fraid of no ghosts, and you shouldn't be either! Now, if they were wights from The Barrows? That's a different story..."
I have always felt that it was part of the song of Iluvutar and the Valar in beginning. Tolkein even said that Melkor did not know of all the little things that were sung by Iluvitar. I always felt this was a hint that many of small things came to pass leading up the the final battle were ordained from the start. Subtle things like the elvin Swords found in the troll cave, Bilbo finding Golllum and the one ring (he was well hidden!), and major things like the oathbreakers being held to oaths but long forgotten by Sauron. It was all in that song right from the start. At least that is how I saw what Tolkien wrote.
Yeah it's very interesting saying that their oaths were weighing down the stone making it seem more important than just a simple agreement. And that when somebody fulfills their own enlightens again. That's makes sense and how they were able to get it from numenor. Cuz it was that heavy I don't think any boat could take it simply anywhere down any river.
Excellent video and great topic! I need to re-ready the LOTR again... because of the movies I have kinda let them fill my memory of the story line and would love to go back to the original again
awesome video sir.
Well said. Curses are VERy powerful indeed.
Excellent
Great video! That was really interesting.
Good video. Keep your promises, for it will serve you well, in the future.
Can't wait for morgof video! BUT A BIG SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO MAKE A VIDEO THAT FOCUSES ON THE BATTLE OF WRATH & EVERYTHING THAT TAKES PLACE
another great vid thanks!!
Awesome !
Very Good I was searching for it.
But as Samwise Gamgee, I also ask why Mens fight each other in large numbers in middle earth.
Does it implies distrustful relationship in real world between us ??
Would be awesome to have had them fight the Nazgul.
I do enjoy your videos. Jesus Christ be with you friend!😊
Do the Oathbreakers hold their convention at the Hooter's across the street from the stadium where Promisekeepers hold theirs? (...Except, hardly anyone shows up, cause well, they're oathbreakers)
Nice video, Men of the West!
It's the video I asked for a long time ago, I thought you had forgotten
Another fascinating look at LOTR - thank you
Fantastic I've always wanted to know their story you're a gentleman and a scholar