Thanks, Simon for all you do in the space 🙏 I went 95% plant-based in 2021 after watching countless hours of your content. I supplement fish oil and take in a few eggs a week. I'm 56 and look and feel better than when I was 20 years younger with blood tests for proof -
Great episode, and great information Simon. After reading over 50 books on nutrition, I settled for a diet consistent with your main views, as follows: 1. Whole-foods, no processed foods or refined carbs 2. Plant-dominant, with 15 servings of fruits/vegetables per day (1-1.5 kilos of fruits and vegetables) 3. One daily cup of beans or legumes 4. 80% of protein from plant-sources. No animal protein except oily fish. One daily serving of oily fish for Omega 3 content (mackerel, sardines, herring or wild salmon). Overall,1.2 grams of protein per kilo of body weight 5. Overall, 70 grams of fiber with emphasis on ensuring that fiber consumption includes plenty of soluble fiber in addition to insoluble fiber 6. About 300 calories from nuts and seeds, over-indexing on flax seeds and walnuts. 7. Daily consumption of avocado for additional fat content 8. No added sugars, no added salt, no oil of any kind 9. Macro composition ends up being about 2000 calories for a 50-year old, 180-pound man, of which ~20% protein, 45% slow carbs, and 35% good fats. 70 grams of fiber. Full coverage of nutrients recommended daily allowances. 10. Time-restricted feeding - eating window 9-12 hours per day; 3 meals; no snacking. 11. 7.5 hours of sleep (up from 6.75 hours before increased focus) 12. Alcohol down from 7 servings to 1 serving per week Results: 1. LDL down from 160 to 70 (diet brought it down to 100, and a low-dose statin brought it down further to 70) 2. Blood pressure down from 135-85 to 118-72 3. Fat down from 32% to 20% 4. HSCRP down from 1.5 to 0.3 5. Fasting insulin down from 15 to 6 6. Weekly exercise sessions up from 2 to 5 sessions per week (given more energy to exercise). Weekly running mileage up from 6 miles to 15 miles per week; resistance training sessions increased from 1 to 2 per week 7. ALK down from 65 to 45 8. Urid acid down from 8 to 5.5 9. Vo2 max up from 38 to 42 The power of super-nutrition is very significant. Now, eating well is a full-time job!
I am so grateful that I went plant based seven years ago. It took a while to learn what’s best for me to eat, and I made a lot of mistakes, but it has truly changed my life in every way. 🌱
I appreciate Simon's nuanced approach to a healthy diet. He very sensibly says the dosage of certain foods matter, he clearly lists the basics of a healthy diet ( low saturated fat, plenty of fiber, a rainbow of fruits and vegetables, very little UPF), and he discusses the areas that can vary from a health and individual preference perspective (dairy, meat). He is also able to explain the scientific basis for this approach from a cellular level. Love it!
I just wanted to express my gratitude to you, Simon! I first saw your episodes on the Rich Roll podcast, which encouraged me to make lifestyle changes that got rid of my PMDD. Since then, I've returned to a healthy bodyweight and I have more energy, stable moods, increased motivation, better sleep, you name it! Your podcast continues to teach me so much about health, and I am so glad you make the content you do. It's changing lives for the better ❤️
Nurse here. Now 66. Back in 2017 I had a Carotid Ultrasound at work showing moderate to extensive plaque in bilateral carotids with minimal blood velocity. Scared me enough to research and then go cold turkey Vegan. No meat or sugar. No processed foods. Didn’t cheat. One year later to the month My Carotid Ultrasound showed minimal bilateral plaque with high blood velocity. Documented. It was kind of a hard diet to sustain, and hard for me personally to eat enough protein/food, and I did have some muscle wasting. My blood pressure was 110/60 though. Nowadays for me I eat 4 or five eggs a week. Turkey or chicken a few times a week. And red meat once every 10 days. Fatty fish like salmon, sardines three times a week. The rest is all Whole Foods, a green smoothie and stay away from processed foods. No muscle wasting. My last Carotid Ultrasound months back showed minimal plaque with high blood velocity. Not sure during that Vegan year which reversed my heart disease. No sugar and processed foods Or no meat/saturated fat. Or both. I’m still good.
I see Simon I click. I always learn something new, refine something theoretically and practically, get inspired. Sure, you can say that about anyone. The difference is that Simon is solely nutritional-science-based, which is a rare quality and a far cry from what the online world is inundated with. It's not about food dogma or ideology. What counts is evidence, what the science reveals. PS. Eagerly awaiting my first can of 38Tera!
Thanks, Simon. I enjoy your content and your delivery style immensely. I love your respectful way of interacting, both in your interviews/podcasts as well as in the comments. Your dad must be so proud of you!
@@TheProofWithSimonHill WFPB works for me, hence I like your show. I went vegetarian aged 6 as the food was better at school. This was a subversive act as nobody had given me permission to be vegetarian. This was in the 1970s when veganism was not a thing. Rennet in cheese was the talking point. Vegans put me off going fully vegan so I dug in with my vegetarian diet. However, this was about a decade ago and the vegans I met had eating disorders or weight problems, having only been vegan for 2-3 years, full meat eaters before that. None educated me. Only when I wondered where animals get B12 from did I go WFPB. Due to being vegetarian for so long, I can't eat meat, if I eat any by mistake then I want to be in the bathroom spitting it out, the gag reflex is real. I could not go carnivore if I wanted to. Out of curiosity, could you? That is not a serious suggestion, but I have difficulty relating to people that have all these problems on a vegan diet to get miraculously cured by going full carnivore. I can't switch diet just like that. I don't believe I am alone in that regard. I would like this topic to be explored. Is it an 'openness to new experience' character trait that I am lacking? Or do these dieters that can switch the whole diet not have their heart in vegan things, and they try it on like how some might be able to change a coat? After decades of not eating meat, would I lack the gut flora to be able to process it, much like how these ex-vegans go to carnivore, because they don't have the gut flora to consume fibre? Please enlighten me on these topics. Incidentally, my subversive act as a six year old was me wanting to live my life, not the life expected of me, and your message regarding old age regrets resonates with me. It is also something that MLK (Dr King) considers a true education, thinking for oneself. He went vegetarian too, out a desire to be non violent.
@@pdsnpsnldlqnop3330 Just to answer couple of your questions for what it’s worth from a stranger of course. You don’t need gut microbiota to digest meat. You need stomach acid and protein digesting enzymes which are made by the body, and bile and other enzymes to digest the fats. People making a huge change in diet can do it mainly because they are desperate id say to find a solution to their health problems. That can be a strong motivator. If your particular diet is working for you then it seems logical to conclude you have no reason to make such a change. Having said all that, yes after decades of not eating meat it would certainly take a little time for your digestive system to adjust. If you have stomach acid issues you might need to supplement stomach acid somehow like with betaine HCL as one example. But that’s all hypothetical and depending on the individual and apparently you have no need of changing your diet anyway? 🤷♂️
Simon, I’m a subscriber due to your knowledge and thoughtful explanations of the science. Really enjoyed this discussion and your YT video on the different kinds of fats and how they affect our bodies. I think you should go for your PhD in Nutrition Science because I believe you could challenge many of the classes thereby speeding up the process to a Doctorate . Glad your out there with a voice of reason looking at all sides of the equation(s)
Excellent discussion. I really appreciate the end. Why do we want to live longer? I have been shifting my diet and lifestyle to help me manage my MS and it has made a huge difference in my health, wellbeing, and quality of life.
Thank you for this discussion! I hope sometime in the future you will have a deep discussion on diet (and exercise) effects on bone health. There seems to be an epidemic of osteopenia and osteoporosis. A lot of younger people don't seem to understand what a fad diet will do to their future bones.
At 42:00 mark is an excellent description of what fats are what. I would listen to that first to get a base of knowledge, then go to the beginning. Poly - fatty fish, walnuts, omega 3s. Mono - avocado, olive oil Sat fat - animal fat and palm oil, coconut oil. Basically, we need poly fats.
As someone who needs to inject insulin to survive, removing PUFAs drastically removed my requirements for insulin. Where metabolic syndrome and insulin resistance are at the heart of so much disease, I can't believe that PUFAS are what we need. Personal opinion here with my own evidence to back it up.
Simon, you explain the science so well. The fatty liver, fatty pancreas is my key interest as my younger sister has been suffering with idiomatic acute pancreatitis for 5 years. Since I am a longtime vegan (+16 years) I had some influence on her adopting a plant-based diet 3 years ago. However, she has the visible signs of one with heavy visceral fat (carried around the waist/belly) and I don't think she knows what to attribute it too. She finally has a consult with a specialist gastroenterologist in a few weeks, one who specializes in endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography, and we are genuinely hopeful that this physician can help to explain or guide prevention of any further attacks. I do know, because it is the Canadian experience (probably North American experience if I am honest) there will likely not be any guidance from this specialist for her to encourage weight loss or something extreme that I would be in favor of like water only fasting for a few weeks. If you have any advice or recommended readings I would love to be in a position to nudge or suggest in the right direction, with science on my side. love all that you do! p.s she abstains from alcohol altogether and has for more 5 years. it's never been an alcohol related pancreatitis.
I was plant based for almost 5 years… I was fine until I wasn’t. My health plummeted. I developed a long list of health issues that no doctor could figure out what was going on. I eventually got to the point where I literally couldn’t eat anything without having it come out one way or another. So I cut all plants out and went carnivore by default. Within months I felt so much better and most of my issues were gone. However I would learn why I developed so many problems while plant based. I had histamine intolerance. Almost everything I was eating was wrecking my body. It’s been a few years since I’ve been eating high animal based diet and my blood work shows it. So with the knowledge of my histamine intolerance and my higher levels of ldl, apob and lp(a)… I’m trying to shift back into a plant based diet.
That’s really good you were able to troubleshoot that! An awesome explanation for why some people do have short term benefit removing certain plant foods.
I'm not entirely convinced that higher ldl indicates future heart problems yet, it's the case where 2 x 2 doesn't make 4. I am absolutely convinced that good metabolic health prevents heart diseases. Ketogenic diet makes one metabolically healthy and thus prevents heart disease. in the same time LDL numbers grow. Which brings me inevitably to the conclusion that on a ketogenic diet and having good metabolic health, higher ldl numbers aren't an indicator for a risk of heart disease.
@@earthmamma85 Please consider reading Dr. Will Bulsiewicz's book, Fiber Fueled (and the cookbook). Both books deals with how to improve the microbiome. You'll probably find Chapter 5 of the Fiber Fueled Cookbook to be extremely helpful, as it focuses on histamine.
The sad truth is you still have not learned to eat properly for optimal health and longevity.... Your bloodwork is trash compared to mine and I am giving up 20 years? 30? Please keep your fish stories to yourself.
1:05:00 He’s only talking about lectins, but there are dozens of plant toxins and anti-nutrients that a vegan/vegetarian has to deal with. Simon generalizes lectin deactivation to all plant toxins and tells you that it's not a problem, because by soaking, fermenting, sprouting, heating will kill these antinutrients and plant toxins. This is completely false, by soaking you can only reduce max 20-30% of phenols, ortho-dihydroxyphenols, tannins and phytates and by doing that you're reducing the total protein as well. Fermentation can reduce the phytic acid up to 45% but it has almost no impact in 24 hours fermentation on other plant toxins, you need at least 120 hours to reach up to 50% reduction. Same applies for other methods as well, in short there is no method that someone can apply at home that reduces these plant toxins and antinutrients more than 50%. Therefore when you eat a vegan diet, you're exposing yourself to these toxins for a lifetime. Trypsin inhibitors (found in chickpeas, soybeans, etc) rebound to the loss of trypsin and chymo-trypsin in the gut, thus preventing protein digestion Proatease Inhibitors (found in legumes, soybean etc) inhibits growth, pancreatic hypertrophy, and poor food utilization are associated with protease inhibitors’ antinutrient activity Tannins exhibit antinutritional properties by impairing the digestion of various nutrients and preventing the body from absorbing beneficial bioavailable substances Phytates (found in seeds, grains, nuts and legumes) can impede the absorption of other minerals like iron, zinc, magnesium and calcium by binding to them Oxalates bind to calcium and creates Calcium oxalate which have a deleterious effect on human nutrition and health by accumulating kidney stones, even small amounts of oxalates can result in burning in the eyes, ears, mouth, and throat; large amounts may cause abdominal pain, muscle weakness, nausea, and diarrhea. There are hundreds of these plant toxins and anti-nutrients available in high volumes that CANNOT be eliminated with any household methods completely. These toxins and anti-nutrients completely invalidates what Simon is preaching regarding plant nutrients as it’s a fact that when you eat spinach, kale, grains etc. you're basically reducing other nutrients from your diet. I hope this nonsense could end soon, Vegan diets are damaging for humans. We haven't evolved to eat this way and it's complete nonsense that this is a nutrient rich diet. Humans are omnivores and has been having a meat based diet for at least 1 million years. We have occasionally eaten tubers and berries but none of these leafy greens, beans, night shades and fruits in their current form was big part of our diet until farming started 10.000 years ago.
Well said MD, every food lifestyle has a scientific study to back it, one needs to experience, what lifestyle helps them be their best. I also think illuminating process foods it’s a good start, whole foods are where it’s at whether you are Carnivore or Plant base. Also looking at mixing sugar with fats may not be a good combo.
As I commented elsewhere, so great to hear nuanced information rather than black-and-white influencer stuff. I would be fascinated to see Simon‘s take on how much his suggested direction influences health in those in their 60s and 70s who may have for years had a less than optimal diet and also very much how much his suggested direction may have research supporting his benefit for those in cardiac prevention both primary and secondary
Hi Simon, I have heard you mention this Chen et al. Meta analysis in a couple videos. I clicked through most of the studies in the show notes and can’t find it. Any chance you could link it. I find that study really interesting and want to read in to it.
I am basically going to experiment on myself. I have high cholesterol and a prediabetic. I'm now mostly plant based. I will allow myself to have chicken, fish, and eggs occasionally and limit dairy as much as I can. I will check my bloodwork results in 3 to 6 months hopefully and see if there any improvements. I have also started IF and strength training. I will update here if I remember. I know it will be anecdotal buy hey it's my health!
Thanks Simon The coconut product feedback is super important, as how Ellen phrases it is i believe how we approach the consumption of many foods. Not having the data on Coconut is limiting, but the advice to test regularly is sensible. What would also be great is to understand the likely impact of Coconut oil v.s. coconut water, coconut yoghurt etc based on expert knowledge of how these foods are likely made. I ask this because maintaining a balanced diet and being vegan is difficult whilst trying to be mainstream and busy! Once again, your advice and commentary is world leading - well done!
Calorie density is also important. I can gain weight on just healthy plants and nearly-nil “highly processed” foods. I know because I’ve done it. I’m glad he addressed the issue of overconsumption of calories. It’s quality but also quantity.
Another illuminating, science-based discussion! 🤓😄Please drill down more on the low fat plant-based diet comparison to a plant-based diet with more polyunsaturated fats in the future. 🙏
I really like most of Simon's videos. And though I disagree with some of this content, I will continue to follow him, of course. But I am here to tell you, he is wrong about oxalates. I was vegetarian for years, drinking daily green smoothies. Not only was I taking calcium supplements, but I ate a huge variety of veg and fruit. I ate cheese, and other dairy. I purchased a CSA share every summer and ate things I would never have chosen in the grocery store! 20 years later, I am still dealing with the oxalate toxicity. It really should be common knowledge that spinach can actually be consumed in near fatal quantities. But I only knew it to be healthful. What a messing made of me! 😢
I hope you're doing well. I will never do smoothies anymore. It seems so unnatural and processed. It seems too easy to overdose on vegetables and fruits this way, if that makes sense.
@theproofwithsimonhill sorry for delayed reply. I was never diagnosed per se. As a matter of fact, as health problems showed up, not one Dr mentioned diet. First, an achy right lower back sent me for MRI. A 2+ cm kidney stone sitting in my kidney. Urologist says pain not from stone and I will take it to my grave with no problem. ((Back Dr had a different opinion) At 69, I still have two 1cm stones in my kidneys; now broken in half, and fragments painfully passed after a rigorous exercise program started. I have to say, I discovered Sally K Norton, her many interviews, and her excellent oxalate book. She helped me self -diagnose. I had, for 3 years, the doctors after me to have a rogue parathyroid out because it affected my blood calcium, which in turn affected my bone density. I finally resigned and had the surgery. Blood calcium now fixed. Not sure if I can build my bone back at my age. I have, and have had in past, many other symptoms of oxalate sequestering, and dumping since dropping most oxalate sources. An unexplained flaring tooth removed. Many many surface deposits all around my body are extruding from my skin. I can only wonder what my organs and glands look like. Endocrinologist told me my thyroid was lumpy and cystic...we are keeping an eye on it. I now drink copious lemon juice and chanca piedra tea. I hope before I die, I can rid my body of this scourge. No more joint pain. Scalp and facial lesions are lessening. 🤸♀️🎉
I would love to hear you talk about the best way of eating for ApoE 4 carriers. I saw a study that fish consumption is beneficial to prevent Alzheimer's but fish oil isn't. Perhaps something with the phospholipids in the food. So I am wondering if a vegan diet supplemented with algae oil would help ApoE4 carriers or if they are better off eating fish, sustainability concerns aside. I am aware of the very recent study on WFPB diet and early dementia.
The question I would have liked address here has to do with Omega 6 fats. Comparing a diet that uses seeds for those fats compared to seed oils. The sense I have is that the making of seed oils damages the fat content and makes it less healthy compared to just eating actual seeds. So it could be just better to get your Omega 6 fats from seeds rather than from seed oils.
It's like people can never mention starches when trying to talk about a healthy pattern - always "fruits and vegetables" - never saying potatoes, beans, and heaven forfend grains. Bro science messaging has been POWERFUL getting people to think they have to minimize or eliminate starchier food, definitely including the whole plant foods highly associated with health in old age. It's a shame.
@@ItsJordaninnit I'd be interested in knowing if it really increases heart disease risk. My mom has osteoporosis, and the doctor advised her to take it. I'm worried. She doesn't consume much calcium in her diet and has a mild milk intolerance. In this case, I don't know if it's worth the risk.
Thank you and Ellen for this lovely conversation! I learned a lot, per usual!! I am a wee confounded by all the high volume red meat eaters, and especially those who seem to add butter ad libitum (or eating it directly from the package) who do not seem to suffer consequences from a high saturated fat eating pattern? My n=1 experimentation has shown me my cholesterol/LDL cannot tolerate high saturated fat and have moved from keto toward more plants and leaner white meat/fish and higher avo/evo oils to get my daily fats in. Do you think issues will occur at some point for these folks, or is it genetic diversity and their personal tolerance of saturated fats, and those that have charisma and dietary success are the faces we see on social media promoting these eating patterns as the style to follow?
@@gailm.8190 How would we explain the Masai eating their traditional diet that is ski high in saturated fat, eating red meat and drinking blood and dairy and zero fiber, and have been studied for decades because scientists were curious as to why they were virtually immune to heart disease. However I do believe that they had ‘normal’ cholesterol levels (then again, ‘normal’ used to be considered MUCH higher than ‘normal’ is now - can’t remember what the specific levels were). There was of course speculation they had some sort of genetic adaptation to the diet but this hypothesis falls apart when you see the data that shows that they suffer the same chronic diseases at the same rates once they move to the cities and start to consume a western style diet. To me, this is strong evidence (very) that red meat is not the problematic ingredient in a western diet and the problem(s) are to be found elsewhere. Seeing as apparently the ‘energy toxicity’ problem is fairly compelling to many sides of this controversial topic (at least at some level), I would hypothesize that the issue lies with foods that somehow disrupt or circumvent our normal hormonal and other short and long term satiety signals and cause us to over eat? Perhaps red meat can also contribute to this IF combined with other foods / factors?
1:17:40 He says there is some truth that phytates will bind to essential nutrients like zinc. First of all it’s not “some truth”, it’s an undisputed scientific FACT. Second there is no household method to reduce the phytates more than 50-60%, therefore no matter what you do, if you’re eating a plant based diet you’ll certainly have deficiencies in critical nutrients because of this (and dozens other) plant anti-nutrients and toxins. This is why all population studies clearly show a deficiency in zinc and other essential minerals. So you’ll have to supplement
@@TheProofWithSimonHill Unless it’s supplemented with Zinc then yes all studies should show lower plasma zinc concentrations compared to omnivorous or carnivorous diets. Mechanistically vegan diets are zinc deficient diets. Do you disagree with it?
In theory, because we now have more knowledge than our ancestors, we should be able to eat better than our ancestors. We have access to all sorts of fruits and vegetables, nuts and seeds, spices, legumes, fungi, etc., at the click of a button. Instead, we let food companies and restaurants dictate our diet and we choose to eat refined carbs, processed foods, added sugar, oils with high saturated fat content, processed meats, farmed fish, farmed animal protein, milk, added chemicals, artificial sweeteners, and pesticides, among others. Even hospitals serve unhealthy food.
Wouldn’t MUFAs be preferable to PUFAs? Aren’t corn, soy, etc. genetically modified and therefore sprayed with glyphosate? Also, these oils -PUFAs - are highly refined (ultra processed). I haven’t heard any discussions of these issues.
32:00 He claims there is "huuuuge evidence that shows LDL is causal in coronary heart disease". This is one of the biggest false statment I've ever heard in youtube. There is no such study that shows LDL is causal, the best could find correlation but not able to explain the mechanism (if there is a fire, there will be fire trucks. He says since there are fire trucks, they should be the one that's causing the fires).
@@TheProofWithSimonHill Great that finally you disclosed what that "huuuge evidence" you think it is. The article you reference is an "opinion piece" from European astheosclerosis society sponsored by drug companies Novartis, Sanofi, Astra Zeneca, etc. etc. This organization is paid for to sing the song of drug companies who are manufacturing cholesterol lowering drugs. Their opinion piece is paid advertisement for statin and other cholesterol lowering drugs. So thanks for clearing it up for me now it's appearent what "huuuuge evidence" you're referring to is.
@@TheProofWithSimonHill This is a Consensus Statement promoting statin treatment, funded by statin producing companies with annual revenue of over $90 billion, and the investigators conflict of interest disclosure is as long as my arm. C’mon Simon, you’re better than this. This Consensus Statement is ridiculous. There are different interpretations for the results of Mendelian randomization studies. Many inconsistent reports with prospective cohort studies on the association of LDL-C and ASCVD were disregarded when drafting the Statement, reports with and without genetic factors related to LDL receptor function were not analysed separately, and the term ASCVD in the Statement is used inappropriately because myocardial infarction and cerebral infarction differ in their association with LDL-C. As for RCTs, the Statement uses composite end point comprising of less objective measures which tends to be highly biased and supports the clinical utility of statins. Clinical reports on statins published before and after the implementation of new regulations affecting clinical trials (2004/2005) should not both be included in meta-analyses because the evaluated efficacy of statins changed markedly, and the irreversible adverse effects of statins need to be evaluated more rigorously now that their mechanisms have been elucidated.
@@TheProofWithSimonHill please read pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29353277/ I'm by no means firmly in either camp but you can't possibly claim to be evidence-based without acknowledging such a provocative rebuttal
Simon, I first learned of a plant based diet back when the China Study was first published. I've followed Dr. John McDougall (RIP) and many of the other plant based doctors. I've bounced back and forth between plants and meat, but I agree with you that the studies certainly back up the plant based approach......would you say that if I ate basically a starch based diet along with some fish periodically, I would be heading the right direction?
Great discussion Simon, you well explained many topics, and I would love to see the discussion with Paul Saladino. Regarding saturated fats from full-fat cheese. It seems like you ignored a large amount of evidence. Many studies not just compare full-fat cheese to red meat but full-fat cheese to low-fat cheese, and these are the interesting studies where full-fat cheese was improved biomarkers like insulin sensitivity and inflammation, and had no significant change in ApoB, and I think it's very practical studies since it means that there is no good reason to choose low-fat dairy over full-fat dairy. Regarding replacing cheese for plant sources, I don't see an obvious replacement that provides the amount of bioavailable calcium, vitamin D, vitamin K2, and other nutrients in dairy, and also in some studies like studies you shared, dairy protein was associated with good health outcomes, yes not like plant protein, but I see no reason to avoid dairy for health purposes, particularly full-fat cheese. I do agree with the argument regarding butter, creams, and other isolated dairy fat products.
I’m becoming more convinced that full fat forms of less refined dairy (cheese/yogurt) are comparable to low fat forms when it comes to insulin resistance, ldl-c and body weight. Mario Kratz’s work is interesting here
Great conversation. One question tough: why would both White and Red lean meat (as compared to plant Protein in the mentioned study) increase LDL Cholesterol if they are by definition low in saturated fats. I was kind of assuming that meat is fine as Long as it is Low in (saturated) fats.
I think personal optimal diets are truly common sense+being in tune with ur body (which most of the population is out of touch with nowdays)+adapting to current situations(which the surviving humans basically did since the beginning of time)....we can't do exactly wat our "ancestors" did cuz we don't live the same way, we rnt in the same situations, our lifestyles+technology is different, etc....closest to wat we were "evolved" 2 do/eat but with the necessary modifications to accommodate current lifestyle/living situations and this earth's era
Do you agree that the more ‘naked’ and / or processed carbs people eat, generally, the worse outcomes are overall in terms of our raft of problematic chronic diseases?
Hey Simon, I’ve heard you discuss the Paleo diet a few times and you’ve mentioned that hunter-gatherers were eating very lean meats, which explains their low LDL levels. If that’s the case then why not follow a paleo style diet but with very lean cuts of meat to avoid the elevation in LDL without having to go plant based? Couldn’t the paleo diet be very healthy if it’s loaded with fruits, veggies, nuts, seeds, and tubers with plenty of lean meats and fish for protein as long as saturated fat stays very low?
Simon can you please provide a link / evidence of the mechanism of dietary saturated fats affect on the liver LDL receptors and the PUFA affects? 🙏🏼 Or is this mechanism just hypothetical at this stage? Apparently the saturated fats in coconut oil do not have the same effect (both from my experience and having seen some studies showing it lowering LDL slightly).
I studied physical therapy myself and later on read many studies about health and food. So ..... of course I can only agree on most of what you are propagating. Yes, food has a big influence on our health, bigger than most people realize. Is that insight new? Not really. The German idealist Feuerbach said in 1850 "Man ist was man isst" (You are what you eat) and was ridiculed for it. And when studying old native people one can only be amazed about how much knowledge they already had about healthy and unhealthy foods and habbits. We lost a lot of that knowledge with modern medical science. So .... this is why I find it hard that you push your narative almost completely on 'science'. You sell science to the people as 'the truth' and by doing so you often sound almost as a preacher, making it a believe system, a religion. But I am sure you know that science can be far from the truth and it often is plain wrong. That is not because science is wrong or faulty, it's because that's how science works. Science is the man made system to study everything around us that we want to study. In most cases it is about things we don't know or don't understand. In this system it is possible to change scientific views when new data becomes available. Progressive insight it's called. Scientist told us for ages that the earth was flat .... until they found out it was actualy round. Or is it? Most of us don't realize how limited our knowledge still is about how all these intricate processes in our body and mind work and interact. That's why there can be so much (scientific) debate. We only hear about what we think we know now. But that is not always the final word, just work in progress. And one other thing is, that I am not so sure about the human wish for longevity. I know a lot of older people that are not necessarily eager to live longer. But almost all people want to have a life in good health. It is very concerning that health issues appear ever earlier in life and impacting the lives of younger people more and more. You don't need science to understand that this is a very serious issue. I think it would be wise to not push science unrealisticly and religiously. Science can change its mind in a day or even in a second. Health is very much a natural thing, so common sense can be very important.
Simon, I hope not a stupid question but will a plant predominant low carb diet / keto like diet raise APOB? I have been WFPB for many years - with high fruit intake - but find I feel better when I get into ketosis sometimes, so I now have many low-carb days, higher fats mainly from nuts and seeds but eggs maybe twice a week, sardines maybe once a week. Wondering if it is more the saturated fat that raises APOB or if it is related to the process of being in ketosis at all? 54 years old, level 1 visceral fat, physically active. Getting bloods done next week so I guess will see... APOB included. What is the optimal number? thanks
I see on your one video that the Oreo guy said that he did 3 to 4 weeks of a vegan keto diet - low saturated fat / decent amount of fiber - and followed with a carnivore diet (steak eggs bacon butter) with a few carbs (2 bananas and a sweet potato), and his LDL dropped with the latter. So is there something about the actual ketosis that affects these markers? I feel great on a low carb plant predominant lifestyle, getting in and out of ketosis, but don't want to be doing something that will be harmul in the long run. Before peri-menopause, I was a carb queen - just feel that my mental health is better when lower carb since perimenopause. thanks
@@carriebecker2092 I’m also curious about this because when I am WFPB now (over 50) my executive function, mental health, and energy levels plummet within weeks. And the weight gain is immediate. No, I don’t go too carb heavy when WFPB (I’ve learned my lesson). But plant fiber hurts and after months I still don’t adjust. As soon as I am in ketosis, I’m exercising, sleeping well, clear headed, and happy. After years of trying over and again to live WFPB, I feel like menopause has made it truly impossible. Any suggestions? 🙏
@@Shohga1216 I hear you. I don't have a problem with plant fiber though. My diet is high fiber and high plant protein. The odd bit of animal protein here and there but through intermittent fasting and lower carb (less fruit, less grains) I get into ketosis and like you said, focus improves, energy levels improve, exercise capacity improves... I can handle more carbs some days but not day in and day out, then I just don't do as well. So, it is what it is. To be a happier and more balanced wife and mom, some ketosis seems to be the key ;) I've read alot about intermittent metabolic flexibility...seems to be key for me :)
@@carriebecker2092 My gosh, you're where I want to be!! I crave fish and eggs (and fish eggs :) though. I sometimes wonder if it's related to my SNPs in my genome where I know I have methylation issues and certain vitamins don't get processed/absorbed as well (A, E, C, folic acid for example). When I am animal-based, no real problems except that I WANT to eat more plant matter and more plant protein! After ten years in Japan, I long for a return to that diet most of all. I love how @theproofwithsimonhill makes these nuanced N=1 questions feel possible to answer instead of pushing a single way of eating and being!
27:20 You’re saying that when there is an over abundance of lipo b carrying LDL particles they become deposited in the artery walls due to “crashing “ into the vessel wall? Really? I thought that plaguing phenomena was due to inflammation of the artery wall. Please expand on your explanation.
That is ground zero which is what causes the inflammation in the first place. I suggest listening to my first episode with Dr Thomas Dayspring on this channel 🙏🏼
Well it’s not that it doesn’t - but compared to other animal fats it has much less effect. Still probably a slight reduction if you swap out dairy for plant foods. But may be mediated more from the increase in PUFAS and fibre
What is Simon's take on the French Paradox, or that longevity is ranked top by Japan/Hong Kong, big saturated fat/animal/egg eaters. And the fact that a vegetarian nation, like India, is way down on the longevity ranking?
@@TheProofWithSimonHill So, in theory...if I were only average in the Japan/HK, but would still be **well above** average in , say, the US/UK...I'd be fine. Fwiw I'm not keto or carnivore, but finding a balance is best...no need to become plant based or vegan/vegetarian especially. Exercise often, sleep well, fast occasionally...you should be fine🙂
The goal of our human ancestors was to procreate as long as possible and pass down wisdom, share knowledge, teach skills, build communities, develop strategies, etc. To achieve this and evolve to the position humans are at today required our ancestors to live long successful lives. We wouldn’t be here today if the goal of our ancestors was just to reach the age of procreation, that a ridiculous assumption.
It’s what evolution cares about. Humans have kids in their late teens or 20s. They need to be old enough for their kids to mature. So they need to get to their late 30s for their kids to survive. After that, there’s little selection pressure
@@TheProofWithSimonHill Human evolution cares about survival, finding and consuming the highest quality food source first and foremost, followed by the mechanism of natural selection, survival of the fittest where individuals most adapt to their environment survive. These adaptations are a requirement prior to the mechanism of procreation, and high quality nutrition was consumed which enabled more time to teach, learn, innovate, share knowledge, make tools, etc. You mention our human ancestors need to be old enough for their kids to mature. How is this determined? How do you grade maturity? Also, approximately 50% of newly born humans did not survive puberty, so the pregnancy rate of ancestral females was very high and studies estimate 15-30 pregnancies in a lifetime.
I absolutely crashed after year 3 of the vegan diet. Irriable, no short term memory gone.. weak... Oddly enough my bloods were perfect for everything. i was a Big eater too! My normal day is 20-30k steps of hard landscaping work, using about 4k + calories. I went more healthy plant rich omnivorous and everything improved.. also my body actually holds onto some muscle. Oddly my iron is now low 😅. What the hell man.
30:00 He's completely misrepresenting what Cochrane analysis says, it says LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE of what he claims it says. I'm actually quite surprised that he can blatantly misrepresent the study in a public video. Anybody that can read English, can go and check the cochrane review and be surprised how he's completely telling the opposite of what Cochrane study says on saturated fats. Cochrane study found ABSOLUTELY ZERO evidence regarding cutting saturated fats to have a positive impact on any cardiovascular events (all cause mortality, cardiovascular mortality, myocardial infarctions, stroke, CHD mortality or events etc etc).
@@TheProofWithSimonHill Yes because you keep referring to "meta-analyses of randomized controlled trials" proving your theory, in fact that study completely disproves this theory of yours "saturated fats are evil and you need to replace them with seed oils". Every time you claim that RCT's are proving your theory, it's worth to mention that you're misrepresenting that study. The study says the opposite and it doesn't support your claim. I understand your viewers are vegan/vegeterian people like you, but if you're in the public arena making false claims, you should be also ready for people who actually read these studies and adress the misrepresented facts. This is what I'm doing and will keep doing.
@@md82892 So I opened the systematic review of 2020. This is what we're talking about right? This is what the authors conclusion said: "Authors' conclusions: The findings of this updated review suggest that reducing saturated fat intake for at least two years causes a potentially important reduction in combined cardiovascular events. Replacing the energy from saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat or carbohydrate appear to be useful strategies, while effects of replacement with monounsaturated fat are unclear. " What did he get wrong ?
For those of us who followed the advice to lose weight we must be very low carb ... How can we reintroduce carbs, without putting weight back on??? Anyone ???
For me it was as simple as replacing fat calories with carb calories. I didn’t just add carbs to a high fat diet. Now I eat hundreds of carbs a day and I’m thin and muscular and energetic all day. Cheers!
Adding carbs will cause some water storage immediately via glycogen in your muscles. If you add carbs back, don't be discouraged because of 5-10 pounds of immediate weight gain. It's not fat gain. If you gain weight after the first 2-3 weeks, then simply manage portions.
Losing body weight is the most important way to lower visceral fat / see Roy Taylor’s work. It’s undeniable though that dietary constituents matter too outside of calories. Sat fat drives up liver fat compared to PUFAS.
@@RaveyDavey He even accepted in the comment that he claims that. Do you literally know better than Simon himself? Are you his PR agent correcting what he openly claims? 🤦♂️
@@RaveyDavey ok I guess you haven’t listened to this entire video (I get it, hard to listen all this nonsense for 2 hours). Here are exact quotes from the video that suggest reducing meat and saturated fat to reduce fatty liver: 1. *On the relationship between saturated fat and liver fat:* - "In the context of someone who is eating excess calories-and a lot of people are eating excess calories-you can eat an ancestral diet and still be eating excess calories. In the context of eating above what your daily energy requirements are, if you're gaining weight on an ancestral diet with a lot of saturated fat, you can bet... it's going to be visceral fat. We know that saturated fat really drives up the fat in the liver and also in the pancreas." 2. *On saturated fats and metabolic health:* - "Saturated fats decrease the sensitivity of that receptor [the LDL receptor in the liver]. Polyunsaturated fats do the exact opposite, they open the gate up. They help the liver clear these ApoB-containing lipoproteins." 3. *On swapping saturated fats to improve liver function:* - "When you swap those calories from saturated fat for polyunsaturated fats, you see a reduction in this very harmful ectopic fat, is what it's called scientifically, in the liver and in the pancreas." He provided ZERO proof on any of these claims, only epidemiological junk science, no human RCT’s.
All I know is that at 55 and with a body scan that says im 46 I feel amazing. All i have consumed in 3 years is steak, sardines, 10 eggs a day and 1.5 liters of milk on omad.
@RaveyDavey yes actually. Before the diet I had a CAC score of 25. After 2 years on the diet my second CAC was also 25. So the diet stopped the progression of atherosclerosis, a disease that normally progresses at a rate of 15 to 20 % a year. That's why my doctor was amazed. As far as cancer is concerned there is a lot of evidence to support the position that mitochondrial health is improved with low carb and intermittent fasting.
18:35 Simon says when they replace saturated fats with unsaturated fats the literature is very clear and they see an improvement in biomarkers. This is completely debunked by meta-analyses of randomized controlled trials, THERE IS NO BENEFIT of replacing saturated fats with unsaturated fats in any of the cardiovascular diseases and risk markers. He has been failing to demonstrate a stronger evidence for his claims.
“Limiting saturated fatty acid (SFA) intake is recommended for cardiovascular health. • Reducing intake of SFA lowers atherogenic lipoproteins. • SFA may affect cardiovascular risk through non-lipoprotein-related mechanisms.” www.lipidjournal.com/article/S1933-2874(21)00248-8/abstract Have Kevin Maki on soon. Suggest you listen to last weeks ep on fats. If you don’t consider dose, type of saturated fat and replacement nutrient you can be left confused.
@@TheProofWithSimonHill This is another opinion piece from Kevin Maki. So what? Is it a proof? He's using vague language like "suspected to contributor of ASVCD risk" and again he refers to observational studies, which are the lowest grade of evidence. I'll pass this one unless you have a better argument or research. We can paste opinion pieces all day long, opinions are interesting. But everyone has one... So what? Should we now use them as evidence to tell people to change their diet is this what you're suggesting? I don't know who Kevin Maki is and I don't care about his opinion unless he has a scientific evidence more valuable than observational studies.
What kind of LDLs are "causing" heart disease? Bouyant or small? What causes LDL to oxidize? Aren't LDL just present at the injured artery? How do they "cause" the disease considering they're part of the immune system. How can something that is part of the immune system, "cause" disease? Even autoimmune disorders aren't "caused" by the autoimmune response. They are CAUSED by something that TRIGGERS the response. There are brand new studies done by medical doctors and students proving the Lean Mass Hyperresponder phenotype who does NOT suffer for greater LDL presence. What do you know about the LMHR? They make the bouyant LDL. As much as you hammered the LDL, you said NOT ONE WORD about the TYPE of LDL. I agree about including plants, but considering Blue Zones include significant animal products, except for the Adventists, I can't be afraid of them. I am very, very resentful at the complete FAILURE of science to have ONE answer for the world. There is either ONE TRUTH or you're all epic failures. There can't be multiple truths. If people are different, then every single study should be taken with a grain of salt. Pun intended.
All LDL can be atherogenic as under 70 nmol in size. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28444290/ pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31642874/ It’s once they are retained that they become oxidised in the wall. Oxidised LDL in plasma appears innocuous.
Unlike the cows and other domesticated animals today, the fat that the woolly mammoth would have wouldn't be highly marbled and spread all throughout their muscles.
51:00 He claims you can feel good in short term and can harm yourself in the long term. Now clinical trials are showing when people do a ketogenic diet full of meat and saturated fats is improving their untreatable diseases such as Bipolar disorder, Schizophrenia, Depression. They're also improving IBS, arthritis and other metabolic diseases that they have been experiencing. So the question is, how come a person can metabolically and mentally getting significantly better and will die sooner than expected? He has literally no scientific evidence that proves his hypothesis on this and it defeats common sense. A diet fixed multiple metabolical issues will give you early death.... come on...
@@TheProofWithSimonHill No Chris Palmer's work is mostly case studies. The real clinical trials started after Bazucki family founded their foundation. Right now "Ketogenic Diet Intervention on Metabolic and Psychiatric Health in Bipolar and Schizophrenia: A Pilot Trial" is done, another one is done in France by Dr. Georgia Ede and Eric Westman and Albert Danan "The Ketogenic Diet for Refractory Mental Illness: A Retrospective Analysis of 31 Inpatients" 3 other clinical trials is on the way from Stanford and Delft university. All showing very promising results. You definetely don't know the work on this field and claiming that "short term it works, long term you're putting your health on risk" is a very dangerous claim given the fact that people are being cured from life long conditions with this diet and biggest proof you have for your claims are coming from low-grade epidiomological studies. I strongly disagree with your comments on Cochrane, it's cherry picking at best, blantly misrepresenting what that story shows in reality.
@@TheProofWithSimonHill I did share the clinical trials but for some reason either youtube or your channel blocks my replies to your replies. Let's see if this one is also going to be blocked. If not I'll edit this one and add the clinical studies that have been done and under progress in Delft, Stanford universities and multiple hospitals across the world.
I am not sure plant based diet reduces blood glucose however stopping eating ultra processed food/snacks 100% could definitely reduce fasting glucose. Eating legumes and whole grains actually spikes blood sugar so the net result may be negligible on blood glucose levels
We wouldn't drive a car where the brakes work only 5% of the time nor would we buy a cell phone that drops 95% of the calls. So it's always disappointing when Simon cites junk science using animals that has the same rate of failure when results are applied to humans.
25:09 He's repeating the lipid-heart hypothesis, claiming that ApoB levels is a market for cardiovascular disease and should be reduced by all means (this is the marketing pitch for Statins, that drug companies and their researchers who are funded by them preaches). There is a correlation with ApoB and heart disease, but he doesn't really understand the underlying mechanism why certain people with high LDL cholesterol develops heart disease and why others don't. Basically if there is a fire, you're going to see a fire truck at the site. The researchers and all these epidemiological scientists are looking at the fire trucks and concluding "the number of the fire trucks are a good indicator of heart disease, so if we take out the fire trucks then there will be no fire". This is a very good business for statins, but terrible for human health. On the contrary, there is absolutely no longevity benefits of statin drugs in terms of increasing the lifespan or all-cause mortality or cardiovascular disease mortality. They just remove the fire trucks and blame the fire department for all these fires. The LDL particles are found in clogged arteries simply because they're there to heal a rupture. The question is what caused this in the first hand and why are we blaming fireman for the fires. The lipid-heart hypothesis so far failed to explain the root cause of this because these clogging only happens certain parts of the arteries (why not veins?) and only happens at the high pressure points that are mechanistically prone for wear and tear from high pressure and friction. The question is what causes this friction only in certain parts of the arteries but not in other parts or not in veins. It's certainly not because LDL (on the contrary compared to low LDL population, higher LDL populations is statistically living longer). Before taking statins and believing this hypothesis funded and fueled by drug companies, you need to start at what is the real cause of it. Meat consumption has been dropping since the last 40 years in USA while coronary diseases are increasing, if meat and saturated fat was the cause, why when these are going down and unsaturated fats as Simon preaches increasing we're still seeing this issue?
@@TheProofWithSimonHill Actually this is not something clinically proven, it's a theory. They find mostly oxidized LDL particles under the artery wall and concentration of these particles is extremely small in that wounded area. Oxidization of LDL mostly happens from inflammation but there is no proof that LDL created those clogged arteries. If there is paste your research paper explaining the mechanism. This lipid-heart theory is based on this hypothesis which is not proven. Again if that was the case, then why the same LDL particles don't cause issues in other parts of the arteries and nothing happens in veins? Do you have an answer for it?
@@TheProofWithSimonHill No, there is no proof for what you’re claiming. At least on double blind randomized controlled trials completely debunks this claim. Do you have such a study that you can refer to done on humans? I have one, and it has been done by Ancel Keys himself and his co-authors btw 1968-1973 on 9423 people in nursing homes and mental hospitals. It was a meticulously done double blind randomized trial. Ancel Keys and his co-author buried the study, never published the data and until a researcher reached out to one of the researchers son and found two magnetic tape of data we would never known the outcome of this data. This study was done in the era when ethical boards were much more flexible, it would be impossible to do it now. So we literally don’t have anything stronger than this research debunking the claim that we should replace saturated fat with seed oils. Here is the conclusion: “Available evidence from randomized controlled trials shows that replacement of saturated fat in the diet with linoleic acid effectively lowers serum cholesterol but does not support the hypothesis that this translates to a lower risk of death from coronary heart disease or all causes. Findings from the Minnesota Coronary Experiment add to growing evidence that incomplete publication has contributed to overestimation of the benefits of replacing saturated fat with vegetable oils rich in linoleic acid”
it’s all well and good telling people what they should avoid but if you try to create a diet from it you see just how unrealistic it is, I don’t understand why these experts ever show you an example of what diet would actually look like because realistically most men need about 3000kcal a day because of physical jobs + gym so the diet according to your advice is literally eating a ton of carbs everyday, with vegetables and some fats and a little fish potato, quinoa, lentils, beans, green vegetables, nuts, fish this isn’t enough protein so you need at least one shake you can’t seriously think that’s the healthiest diet according to science? literally every meal is just carbs with vegetables with a little olive oil? with one meal having fish
not to mention if you want to hit your RDA on some nutrients like calcium for example you either have to eat a ton of broccoli or kale everyday and avoid oxalate heavy foods (which is most plant foods) or you are forced to eat processed foods that are supplemented with calcium
Because of protein and micronutrients. Meat, eggs, liver, fish - all that contain much more vitamins and minerals than same amount of plant foods, vitamin plus B12. AND less or no acne, no gut problems, poop problems, psychological problems, anxiety, and no obesity.
@@milanpintar what we think - is mostly what we've learnt, and our adult food disorders show that what we've learnt is wrong. Children normally digest anything easily, except if they get allergies. But they also quickly get bad food habits, like sugary drinks and sweets. Fruit drinks, too. Needless to say that for the liver too much fructose is as bad as sugar. Of course, there are and will be exceptions for adults who have good metabolic health no matter what they eat. But when I see our 50 y. olds around me, it's 1 healthy looking person to 100 very poor looking, and this includes obesity, lipoedem, lymphoedema, thyroid issues , etc. We can argue what children need as long as our own child is doing well. But as soon as he or she exhibits allergies, food intolerances, gut problems, ADHD, etc, we are desperate and looking for a cure by the doctors, instead of just changing the diet. So why poison our children with gluten and fructose and sugar in the first place and not give them a proper diet which won't give them and us pains?
@@k.h.6991 I am pretty sure no parent would give a child a protein drink, thus it is very hard to meet a protein goal with only plant proteins. A child will never be able to eat enough soy, beans, etc. to cover its daily needs.
Simon, you really throw that word “risk”, around very loosely. Do you know words have meaning and that word does not mean what you think it means, especially in the context that you are using it. Unfortunately, all of the “science” that you rely on is epidemiology, and that manifestation of “science” is not rigorous enough to define risk. You should really do a critical video on epidemiology, what it is and what it is not. You could also include all kinds of wonderful information like statistical analysis, and define common terms like signal-to-noise ratio, area under the curve, etc., but I don’t think you’ll do that because the minute you do it half of your viewers will leave you and then you won’t make any money.
@@TheProofWithSimonHill I have seen some of her commentary. Wouldn’t it be more productive to invite someone that could be more critical (thinking) regarding epidemiology and statistics? She is not going to highlight the huge shortcomings of long term outcomes through the lens of epidemiology. At least she won’t highlight them in a meaningful way. Also, she is smart but she doesn’t seem to understand how quantum physics interacts with bio chemistry. And if I had to guess, she is probably a plant pusher like you, but I don’t know for sure. 🤷🏻♀️
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Thanks, Simon for all you do in the space 🙏 I went 95% plant-based in 2021 after watching countless hours of your content. I supplement fish oil and take in a few eggs a week. I'm 56 and look and feel better than when I was 20 years younger with blood tests for proof -
Awesome work, love hearing that!
I think this is one of Simon’s best appearances, and that’s very high praise. 👏
Great episode, and great information Simon. After reading over 50 books on nutrition, I settled for a diet consistent with your main views, as follows:
1. Whole-foods, no processed foods or refined carbs
2. Plant-dominant, with 15 servings of fruits/vegetables per day (1-1.5 kilos of fruits and vegetables)
3. One daily cup of beans or legumes
4. 80% of protein from plant-sources. No animal protein except oily fish. One daily serving of oily fish for Omega 3 content (mackerel, sardines, herring or wild salmon). Overall,1.2 grams of protein per kilo of body weight
5. Overall, 70 grams of fiber with emphasis on ensuring that fiber consumption includes plenty of soluble fiber in addition to insoluble fiber
6. About 300 calories from nuts and seeds, over-indexing on flax seeds and walnuts.
7. Daily consumption of avocado for additional fat content
8. No added sugars, no added salt, no oil of any kind
9. Macro composition ends up being about 2000 calories for a 50-year old, 180-pound man, of which ~20% protein, 45% slow carbs, and 35% good fats. 70 grams of fiber. Full coverage of nutrients recommended daily allowances.
10. Time-restricted feeding - eating window 9-12 hours per day; 3 meals; no snacking.
11. 7.5 hours of sleep (up from 6.75 hours before increased focus)
12. Alcohol down from 7 servings to 1 serving per week
Results:
1. LDL down from 160 to 70 (diet brought it down to 100, and a low-dose statin brought it down further to 70)
2. Blood pressure down from 135-85 to 118-72
3. Fat down from 32% to 20%
4. HSCRP down from 1.5 to 0.3
5. Fasting insulin down from 15 to 6
6. Weekly exercise sessions up from 2 to 5 sessions per week (given more energy to exercise). Weekly running mileage up from 6 miles to 15 miles per week; resistance training sessions increased from 1 to 2 per week
7. ALK down from 65 to 45
8. Urid acid down from 8 to 5.5
9. Vo2 max up from 38 to 42
The power of super-nutrition is very significant. Now, eating well is a full-time job!
I am so grateful that I went plant based seven years ago. It took a while to learn what’s best for me to eat, and I made a lot of mistakes, but it has truly changed my life in every way. 🌱
I appreciate Simon's nuanced approach to a healthy diet. He very sensibly says the dosage of certain foods matter, he clearly lists the basics of a healthy diet ( low saturated fat, plenty of fiber, a rainbow of fruits and vegetables, very little UPF), and he discusses the areas that can vary from a health and individual preference perspective (dairy, meat). He is also able to explain the scientific basis for this approach from a cellular level. Love it!
I just wanted to express my gratitude to you, Simon! I first saw your episodes on the Rich Roll podcast, which encouraged me to make lifestyle changes that got rid of my PMDD. Since then, I've returned to a healthy bodyweight and I have more energy, stable moods, increased motivation, better sleep, you name it! Your podcast continues to teach me so much about health, and I am so glad you make the content you do. It's changing lives for the better ❤️
Nurse here. Now 66. Back in 2017 I had a Carotid Ultrasound at work showing moderate to extensive plaque in bilateral carotids with minimal blood velocity. Scared me enough to research and then go cold turkey Vegan. No meat or sugar. No processed foods. Didn’t cheat. One year later to the month My Carotid Ultrasound showed minimal bilateral plaque with high blood velocity. Documented. It was kind of a hard diet to sustain, and hard for me personally to eat enough protein/food, and I did have some muscle wasting. My blood pressure was 110/60 though. Nowadays for me I eat 4 or five eggs a week. Turkey or chicken a few times a week. And red meat once every 10 days. Fatty fish like salmon, sardines three times a week. The rest is all Whole Foods, a green smoothie and stay away from processed foods. No muscle wasting. My last Carotid Ultrasound months back showed minimal plaque with high blood velocity. Not sure during that Vegan year which reversed my heart disease. No sugar and processed foods Or no meat/saturated fat. Or both. I’m still good.
Wow, awesome job, thanks for sharing!
Did you cut on unsaturated fat as well during that year?
I see Simon I click. I always learn something new, refine something theoretically and practically, get inspired. Sure, you can say that about anyone. The difference is that Simon is solely nutritional-science-based, which is a rare quality and a far cry from what the online world is inundated with. It's not about food dogma or ideology. What counts is evidence, what the science reveals. PS. Eagerly awaiting my first can of 38Tera!
Glad to hear that! Thanks for tuning in
Thanks, Simon. I enjoy your content and your delivery style immensely. I love your respectful way of interacting, both in your interviews/podcasts as well as in the comments. Your dad must be so proud of you!
Excellent information! Thank you Simon for explaining the science so anyone can understand.
Ellen is a lovely host, clearly there to listen and lead the conversation. I hope she has you back.
She is. Great show to check out! Some super interesting debates
@@TheProofWithSimonHill WFPB works for me, hence I like your show. I went vegetarian aged 6 as the food was better at school. This was a subversive act as nobody had given me permission to be vegetarian. This was in the 1970s when veganism was not a thing. Rennet in cheese was the talking point.
Vegans put me off going fully vegan so I dug in with my vegetarian diet. However, this was about a decade ago and the vegans I met had eating disorders or weight problems, having only been vegan for 2-3 years, full meat eaters before that. None educated me.
Only when I wondered where animals get B12 from did I go WFPB.
Due to being vegetarian for so long, I can't eat meat, if I eat any by mistake then I want to be in the bathroom spitting it out, the gag reflex is real.
I could not go carnivore if I wanted to. Out of curiosity, could you? That is not a serious suggestion, but I have difficulty relating to people that have all these problems on a vegan diet to get miraculously cured by going full carnivore. I can't switch diet just like that. I don't believe I am alone in that regard. I would like this topic to be explored. Is it an 'openness to new experience' character trait that I am lacking?
Or do these dieters that can switch the whole diet not have their heart in vegan things, and they try it on like how some might be able to change a coat?
After decades of not eating meat, would I lack the gut flora to be able to process it, much like how these ex-vegans go to carnivore, because they don't have the gut flora to consume fibre?
Please enlighten me on these topics.
Incidentally, my subversive act as a six year old was me wanting to live my life, not the life expected of me, and your message regarding old age regrets resonates with me. It is also something that MLK (Dr King) considers a true education, thinking for oneself. He went vegetarian too, out a desire to be non violent.
@@pdsnpsnldlqnop3330 Just to answer couple of your questions for what it’s worth from a stranger of course. You don’t need gut microbiota to digest meat. You need stomach acid and protein digesting enzymes which are made by the body, and bile and other enzymes to digest the fats. People making a huge change in diet can do it mainly because they are desperate id say to find a solution to their health problems. That can be a strong motivator. If your particular diet is working for you then it seems logical to conclude you have no reason to make such a change. Having said all that, yes after decades of not eating meat it would certainly take a little time for your digestive system to adjust. If you have stomach acid issues you might need to supplement stomach acid somehow like with betaine HCL as one example. But that’s all hypothetical and depending on the individual and apparently you have no need of changing your diet anyway? 🤷♂️
Simon, I’m a subscriber due to your knowledge and thoughtful explanations of the science. Really enjoyed this discussion and your YT video on the different kinds of fats and how they affect our bodies. I think you should go for your PhD in Nutrition Science because I believe you could challenge many of the classes thereby speeding up the process to a Doctorate . Glad your out there with a voice of reason looking at all sides of the equation(s)
This channel is criminally under subbed!
I want to live 3 times as long as my ancient ancestors.
likewise!
Excellent discussion. I really appreciate the end. Why do we want to live longer? I have been shifting my diet and lifestyle to help me manage my MS and it has made a huge difference in my health, wellbeing, and quality of life.
You know that CIRS and mold exposure mimic MS? I'm exposed and was shocked to learn it recently.
Thank you for this discussion! I hope sometime in the future you will have a deep discussion on diet (and exercise) effects on bone health. There seems to be an epidemic of osteopenia and osteoporosis. A lot of younger people don't seem to understand what a fad diet will do to their future bones.
Great video, sums up everything I've been interested in! Clarified a lot. Thanks for that.
At 42:00 mark is an excellent description of what fats are what. I would listen to that first to get a base of knowledge, then go to the beginning. Poly - fatty fish, walnuts, omega 3s. Mono - avocado, olive oil Sat fat - animal fat and palm oil, coconut oil. Basically, we need poly fats.
As someone who needs to inject insulin to survive, removing PUFAs drastically removed my requirements for insulin. Where metabolic syndrome and insulin resistance are at the heart of so much disease, I can't believe that PUFAS are what we need. Personal opinion here with my own evidence to back it up.
Simon, you explain the science so well. The fatty liver, fatty pancreas is my key interest as
my younger sister has been suffering with idiomatic acute pancreatitis for 5 years.
Since I am a longtime vegan (+16 years) I had some influence on her adopting a plant-based diet 3 years ago.
However, she has the visible signs of one with heavy visceral fat (carried around the waist/belly) and I
don't think she knows what to attribute it too. She finally has a consult with a specialist gastroenterologist
in a few weeks, one who specializes in endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography, and we are
genuinely hopeful that this physician can help to explain or guide prevention of any further attacks.
I do know, because it is the Canadian experience (probably North American experience if I am honest) there will
likely not be any guidance from this specialist for her to encourage weight loss or something extreme that
I would be in favor of like water only fasting for a few weeks. If you have any advice or recommended readings
I would love to be in a position to nudge or suggest in the right direction, with science on my side. love all that you do! p.s she abstains from alcohol altogether and has for more 5 years. it's never been an alcohol related pancreatitis.
I was plant based for almost 5 years… I was fine until I wasn’t. My health plummeted. I developed a long list of health issues that no doctor could figure out what was going on. I eventually got to the point where I literally couldn’t eat anything without having it come out one way or another. So I cut all plants out and went carnivore by default. Within months I felt so much better and most of my issues were gone. However I would learn why I developed so many problems while plant based. I had histamine intolerance. Almost everything I was eating was wrecking my body. It’s been a few years since I’ve been eating high animal based diet and my blood work shows it. So with the knowledge of my histamine intolerance and my higher levels of ldl, apob and lp(a)… I’m trying to shift back into a plant based diet.
That’s really good you were able to troubleshoot that! An awesome explanation for why some people do have short term benefit removing certain plant foods.
I'm not entirely convinced that higher ldl indicates future heart problems yet, it's the case where 2 x 2 doesn't make 4. I am absolutely convinced that good metabolic health prevents heart diseases.
Ketogenic diet makes one metabolically healthy and thus prevents heart disease. in the same time LDL numbers grow. Which brings me inevitably to the conclusion that on a ketogenic diet and having good metabolic health, higher ldl numbers aren't an indicator for a risk of heart disease.
@@earthmamma85 Please consider reading Dr. Will Bulsiewicz's book, Fiber Fueled (and the cookbook). Both books deals with how to improve the microbiome. You'll probably find Chapter 5 of the Fiber Fueled Cookbook to be extremely helpful, as it focuses on histamine.
LDL numbers are just an estimate. LDL could be impacted by an intense workout. We need doctors that understand.
The sad truth is you still have not learned to eat properly for optimal health and longevity.... Your bloodwork is trash compared to mine and I am giving up 20 years? 30? Please keep your fish stories to yourself.
Love hearing someone who is unbiased! I love your channel and really appreciate all the work you do! 👊
I appreciate that!
1:05:00 He’s only talking about lectins, but there are dozens of plant toxins and anti-nutrients that a vegan/vegetarian has to deal with.
Simon generalizes lectin deactivation to all plant toxins and tells you that it's not a problem, because by soaking, fermenting, sprouting, heating will kill these antinutrients and plant toxins. This is completely false, by soaking you can only reduce max 20-30% of phenols, ortho-dihydroxyphenols, tannins and phytates and by doing that you're reducing the total protein as well.
Fermentation can reduce the phytic acid up to 45% but it has almost no impact in 24 hours fermentation on other plant toxins, you need at least 120 hours to reach up to 50% reduction.
Same applies for other methods as well, in short there is no method that someone can apply at home that reduces these plant toxins and antinutrients more than 50%. Therefore when you eat a vegan diet, you're exposing yourself to these toxins for a lifetime.
Trypsin inhibitors (found in chickpeas, soybeans, etc) rebound to the loss of trypsin and chymo-trypsin in the gut, thus preventing protein digestion
Proatease Inhibitors (found in legumes, soybean etc) inhibits growth, pancreatic hypertrophy, and poor food utilization are associated with protease inhibitors’ antinutrient activity
Tannins exhibit antinutritional properties by impairing the digestion of various nutrients and preventing the body from absorbing beneficial bioavailable substances
Phytates (found in seeds, grains, nuts and legumes) can impede the absorption of other minerals like iron, zinc, magnesium and calcium by binding to them
Oxalates bind to calcium and creates Calcium oxalate which have a deleterious effect on human nutrition and health by accumulating kidney stones, even small amounts of oxalates can result in burning in the eyes, ears, mouth, and throat; large amounts may cause abdominal pain, muscle weakness, nausea, and diarrhea.
There are hundreds of these plant toxins and anti-nutrients available in high volumes that CANNOT be eliminated with any household methods completely. These toxins and anti-nutrients completely invalidates what Simon is preaching regarding plant nutrients as it’s a fact that when you eat spinach, kale, grains etc. you're basically reducing other nutrients from your diet.
I hope this nonsense could end soon, Vegan diets are damaging for humans. We haven't evolved to eat this way and it's complete nonsense that this is a nutrient rich diet. Humans are omnivores and has been having a meat based diet for at least 1 million years. We have occasionally eaten tubers and berries but none of these leafy greens, beans, night shades and fruits in their current form was big part of our diet until farming started 10.000 years ago.
Well said MD, every food lifestyle has a scientific study to back it, one needs to experience, what lifestyle helps them be their best. I also think illuminating process foods it’s a good start, whole foods are where it’s at whether you are Carnivore or Plant base. Also looking at mixing sugar with fats may not be a good combo.
Thank you Simon for all help through your content ❤
Have you interviewed Dr Michael Greger and company, to get their point of view on the best diet?
As I commented elsewhere, so great to hear nuanced information rather than black-and-white influencer stuff. I would be fascinated to see Simon‘s take on how much his suggested direction influences health in those in their 60s and 70s who may have for years had a less than optimal diet and also very much how much his suggested direction may have research supporting his benefit for those in cardiac prevention both primary and secondary
Hi Simon, I have heard you mention this Chen et al. Meta analysis in a couple videos. I clicked through most of the studies in the show notes and can’t find it. Any chance you could link it. I find that study really interesting and want to read in to it.
I am basically going to experiment on myself. I have high cholesterol and a prediabetic. I'm now mostly plant based. I will allow myself to have chicken, fish, and eggs occasionally and limit dairy as much as I can. I will check my bloodwork results in 3 to 6 months hopefully and see if there any improvements. I have also started IF and strength training. I will update here if I remember. I know it will be anecdotal buy hey it's my health!
Thanks Simon
The coconut product feedback is super important, as how Ellen phrases it is i believe how we approach the consumption of many foods. Not having the data on Coconut is limiting, but the advice to test regularly is sensible. What would also be great is to understand the likely impact of Coconut oil v.s. coconut water, coconut yoghurt etc based on expert knowledge of how these foods are likely made. I ask this because maintaining a balanced diet and being vegan is difficult whilst trying to be mainstream and busy!
Once again, your advice and commentary is world leading - well done!
BTW i read the labels! but a lot of the levels of processing and in between the lines ingredients are hard to establish
Calorie density is also important. I can gain weight on just healthy plants and nearly-nil “highly processed” foods. I know because I’ve done it. I’m glad he addressed the issue of overconsumption of calories. It’s quality but also quantity.
Excellent talk. I will be sharing this with family and friends
Please do!
Another illuminating, science-based discussion! 🤓😄Please drill down more on the low fat plant-based diet comparison to a plant-based diet with more polyunsaturated fats in the future. 🙏
I really like most of Simon's videos. And though I disagree with some of this content, I will continue to follow him, of course.
But I am here to tell you, he is wrong about oxalates. I was vegetarian for years, drinking daily green smoothies. Not only was I taking calcium supplements, but I ate a huge variety of veg and fruit. I ate cheese, and other dairy.
I purchased a CSA share every summer and ate things I would never have chosen in the grocery store! 20 years later, I am still dealing with the oxalate toxicity. It really should be common knowledge that spinach can actually be consumed in near fatal quantities. But I only knew it to be healthful. What a messing made of me! 😢
Hey there thanks for sharing this. If you don’t mind sharing - How was oxalate toxicity diagnosed?
I hope you're doing well. I will never do smoothies anymore. It seems so unnatural and processed. It seems too easy to overdose on vegetables and fruits this way, if that makes sense.
@theproofwithsimonhill sorry for delayed reply. I was never diagnosed per se. As a matter of fact, as health problems showed up, not one Dr mentioned diet.
First, an achy right lower back sent me for MRI. A 2+ cm kidney stone sitting in my kidney. Urologist says pain not from stone and I will take it to my grave with no problem. ((Back Dr had a different opinion) At 69, I still have two 1cm stones in my kidneys; now broken in half, and fragments painfully passed after a rigorous exercise program started.
I have to say, I discovered Sally K Norton, her many interviews, and her excellent oxalate book. She helped me self -diagnose. I had, for 3 years, the doctors after me to have a rogue parathyroid out because it affected my blood calcium, which in turn affected my bone density. I finally resigned and had the surgery. Blood calcium now fixed. Not sure if I can build my bone back at my age. I have, and have had in past, many other symptoms of oxalate sequestering, and dumping since dropping most oxalate sources. An unexplained flaring tooth removed. Many many surface deposits all around my body are extruding from my skin. I can only wonder what my organs and glands look like. Endocrinologist told me my thyroid was lumpy and cystic...we are keeping an eye on it.
I now drink copious lemon juice and chanca piedra tea. I hope before I die, I can rid my body of this scourge. No more joint pain. Scalp and facial lesions are lessening. 🤸♀️🎉
Thank u Simon!!💪🙌
You’re welcome
I would love to hear you talk about the best way of eating for ApoE 4 carriers. I saw a study that fish consumption is beneficial to prevent Alzheimer's but fish oil isn't. Perhaps something with the phospholipids in the food. So I am wondering if a vegan diet supplemented with algae oil would help ApoE4 carriers or if they are better off eating fish, sustainability concerns aside. I am aware of the very recent study on WFPB diet and early dementia.
Excellent conversation!
Super communication of highly nuanced current information. 👏
This is gold
Love this podcast- thank you! What oil would you use to replace butter when sautéing fish?( healthy and also taste-wise?
Hi Simon, how does resistance and cardiovascular training play a role in cholesterol base on a whole food diet heavy in animal protein/meat?
Slightly lowers it. Not a lot
The question I would have liked address here has to do with Omega 6 fats. Comparing a diet that uses seeds for those fats compared to seed oils. The sense I have is that the making of seed oils damages the fat content and makes it less healthy compared to just eating actual seeds. So it could be just better to get your Omega 6 fats from seeds rather than from seed oils.
It's like people can never mention starches when trying to talk about a healthy pattern - always "fruits and vegetables" - never saying potatoes, beans, and heaven forfend grains. Bro science messaging has been POWERFUL getting people to think they have to minimize or eliminate starchier food, definitely including the whole plant foods highly associated with health in old age. It's a shame.
1:14:48 - is it true that high calcium supplements can increase risk of kidney stones?
@@ItsJordaninnit I'd be interested in knowing if it really increases heart disease risk. My mom has osteoporosis, and the doctor advised her to take it. I'm worried. She doesn't consume much calcium in her diet and has a mild milk intolerance. In this case, I don't know if it's worth the risk.
Thank you and Ellen for this lovely conversation! I learned a lot, per usual!! I am a wee confounded by all the high volume red meat eaters, and especially those who seem to add butter ad libitum (or eating it directly from the package) who do not seem to suffer consequences from a high saturated fat eating pattern? My n=1 experimentation has shown me my cholesterol/LDL cannot tolerate high saturated fat and have moved from keto toward more plants and leaner white meat/fish and higher avo/evo oils to get my daily fats in. Do you think issues will occur at some point for these folks, or is it genetic diversity and their personal tolerance of saturated fats, and those that have charisma and dietary success are the faces we see on social media promoting these eating patterns as the style to follow?
@@gailm.8190 How would we explain the Masai eating their traditional diet that is ski high in saturated fat, eating red meat and drinking blood and dairy and zero fiber, and have been studied for decades because scientists were curious as to why they were virtually immune to heart disease. However I do believe that they had ‘normal’ cholesterol levels (then again, ‘normal’ used to be considered MUCH higher than ‘normal’ is now - can’t remember what the specific levels were). There was of course speculation they had some sort of genetic adaptation to the diet but this hypothesis falls apart when you see the data that shows that they suffer the same chronic diseases at the same rates once they move to the cities and start to consume a western style diet. To me, this is strong evidence (very) that red meat is not the problematic ingredient in a western diet and the problem(s) are to be found elsewhere. Seeing as apparently the ‘energy toxicity’ problem is fairly compelling to many sides of this controversial topic (at least at some level), I would hypothesize that the issue lies with foods that somehow disrupt or circumvent our normal hormonal and other short and long term satiety signals and cause us to over eat? Perhaps red meat can also contribute to this IF combined with other foods / factors?
1:17:40 He says there is some truth that phytates will bind to essential nutrients like zinc. First of all it’s not “some truth”, it’s an undisputed scientific FACT. Second there is no household method to reduce the phytates more than 50-60%, therefore no matter what you do, if you’re eating a plant based diet you’ll certainly have deficiencies in critical nutrients because of this (and dozens other) plant anti-nutrients and toxins.
This is why all population studies clearly show a deficiency in zinc and other essential minerals. So you’ll have to supplement
All population studies show a deficiency in zinc ?
@@TheProofWithSimonHill Unless it’s supplemented with Zinc then yes all studies should show lower plasma zinc concentrations compared to omnivorous or carnivorous diets. Mechanistically vegan diets are zinc deficient diets. Do you disagree with it?
In theory, because we now have more knowledge than our ancestors, we should be able to eat better than our ancestors. We have access to all sorts of fruits and vegetables, nuts and seeds, spices, legumes, fungi, etc., at the click of a button. Instead, we let food companies and restaurants dictate our diet and we choose to eat refined carbs, processed foods, added sugar, oils with high saturated fat content, processed meats, farmed fish, farmed animal protein, milk, added chemicals, artificial sweeteners, and pesticides, among others. Even hospitals serve unhealthy food.
Wouldn’t MUFAs be preferable to PUFAs? Aren’t corn, soy, etc. genetically modified and therefore sprayed with glyphosate? Also, these oils -PUFAs - are highly refined (ultra processed). I haven’t heard any discussions of these issues.
32:00 He claims there is "huuuuge evidence that shows LDL is causal in coronary heart disease". This is one of the biggest false statment I've ever heard in youtube. There is no such study that shows LDL is causal, the best could find correlation but not able to explain the mechanism (if there is a fire, there will be fire trucks. He says since there are fire trucks, they should be the one that's causing the fires).
Read this sir: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28444290/
@@TheProofWithSimonHill Great that finally you disclosed what that "huuuge evidence" you think it is. The article you reference is an "opinion piece" from European astheosclerosis society sponsored by drug companies Novartis, Sanofi, Astra Zeneca, etc. etc.
This organization is paid for to sing the song of drug companies who are manufacturing cholesterol lowering drugs.
Their opinion piece is paid advertisement for statin and other cholesterol lowering drugs. So thanks for clearing it up for me now it's appearent what "huuuuge evidence" you're referring to is.
@@TheProofWithSimonHill This is a Consensus Statement promoting statin treatment, funded by statin producing companies with annual revenue of over $90 billion, and the investigators conflict of interest disclosure is as long as my arm. C’mon Simon, you’re better than this.
This Consensus Statement is ridiculous. There are different interpretations for the results of Mendelian randomization studies. Many inconsistent reports with prospective cohort studies on the association of LDL-C and ASCVD were disregarded when drafting the Statement, reports with and without genetic factors related to LDL receptor function were not analysed separately, and the term ASCVD in the Statement is used inappropriately because myocardial infarction and cerebral infarction differ in their association with LDL-C. As for RCTs, the Statement uses composite end point comprising of less objective measures which tends to be highly biased and supports the clinical utility of statins. Clinical reports on statins published before and after the implementation of new regulations affecting clinical trials (2004/2005) should not both be included in meta-analyses because the evaluated efficacy of statins changed markedly, and the irreversible adverse effects of statins need to be evaluated more rigorously now that their mechanisms have been elucidated.
@@TheProofWithSimonHill epidemiology studies cannot prove causation.
@@TheProofWithSimonHill please read pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29353277/
I'm by no means firmly in either camp but you can't possibly claim to be evidence-based without acknowledging such a provocative rebuttal
Simon, I first learned of a plant based diet back when the China Study was first published. I've followed Dr. John McDougall (RIP) and many of the other plant based doctors. I've bounced back and forth between plants and meat, but I agree with you that the studies certainly back up the plant based approach......would you say that if I ate basically a starch based diet along with some fish periodically, I would be heading the right direction?
Look up the Danish dietary guidelines :) great resource with practical info
Great discussion Simon, you well explained many topics, and I would love to see the discussion with Paul Saladino.
Regarding saturated fats from full-fat cheese. It seems like you ignored a large amount of evidence. Many studies not just compare full-fat cheese to red meat but full-fat cheese to low-fat cheese, and these are the interesting studies where full-fat cheese was improved biomarkers like insulin sensitivity and inflammation, and had no significant change in ApoB, and I think it's very practical studies since it means that there is no good reason to choose low-fat dairy over full-fat dairy. Regarding replacing cheese for plant sources, I don't see an obvious replacement that provides the amount of bioavailable calcium, vitamin D, vitamin K2, and other nutrients in dairy, and also in some studies like studies you shared, dairy protein was associated with good health outcomes, yes not like plant protein, but I see no reason to avoid dairy for health purposes, particularly full-fat cheese. I do agree with the argument regarding butter, creams, and other isolated dairy fat products.
I’m becoming more convinced that full fat forms of less refined dairy (cheese/yogurt) are comparable to low fat forms when it comes to insulin resistance, ldl-c and body weight. Mario Kratz’s work is interesting here
Comparing cheese to cheese?
Why does it matter which cheese is better, when whole plants beat all cheeses?
Very informative, but I'm pre-diabetic and not sure about best dietary option.
Diet rich in unsaturated fats, low in saturated fats, high fibre with a good amount of plant diversity.
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
I just want the truth to be told ❤.
Great conversation. One question tough: why would both White and Red lean meat (as compared to plant Protein in the mentioned study) increase LDL Cholesterol if they are by definition low in saturated fats. I was kind of assuming that meat is fine as Long as it is Low in (saturated) fats.
I think personal optimal diets are truly common sense+being in tune with ur body (which most of the population is out of touch with nowdays)+adapting to current situations(which the surviving humans basically did since the beginning of time)....we can't do exactly wat our "ancestors" did cuz we don't live the same way, we rnt in the same situations, our lifestyles+technology is different, etc....closest to wat we were "evolved" 2 do/eat but with the necessary modifications to accommodate current lifestyle/living situations and this earth's era
Do you agree that the more ‘naked’ and / or processed carbs people eat, generally, the worse outcomes are overall in terms of our raft of problematic chronic diseases?
Hey Simon, I’ve heard you discuss the Paleo diet a few times and you’ve mentioned that hunter-gatherers were eating very lean meats, which explains their low LDL levels. If that’s the case then why not follow a paleo style diet but with very lean cuts of meat to avoid the elevation in LDL without having to go plant based? Couldn’t the paleo diet be very healthy if it’s loaded with fruits, veggies, nuts, seeds, and tubers with plenty of lean meats and fish for protein as long as saturated fat stays very low?
Environmental and ethical reasons are why he chose to be plant based.
It can't be loaded with plants and loaded with meat at the same time.
Doesn't make sense
Simon can you please provide a link / evidence of the mechanism of dietary saturated fats affect on the liver LDL receptors and the PUFA affects? 🙏🏼
Or is this mechanism just hypothetical at this stage?
Apparently the saturated fats in coconut oil do not have the same effect (both from my experience and having seen some studies showing it lowering LDL slightly).
In my last episode on dietary fats I discuss the mechanism and shares citations. It’s pretty well established at this stage
@@TheProofWithSimonHill okay thanks.
I studied physical therapy myself and later on read many studies about health and food. So ..... of course I can only agree on most of what you are propagating. Yes, food has a big influence on our health, bigger than most people realize. Is that insight new? Not really. The German idealist Feuerbach said in 1850 "Man ist was man isst" (You are what you eat) and was ridiculed for it. And when studying old native people one can only be amazed about how much knowledge they already had about healthy and unhealthy foods and habbits. We lost a lot of that knowledge with modern medical science. So .... this is why I find it hard that you push your narative almost completely on 'science'. You sell science to the people as 'the truth' and by doing so you often sound almost as a preacher, making it a believe system, a religion. But I am sure you know that science can be far from the truth and it often is plain wrong. That is not because science is wrong or faulty, it's because that's how science works. Science is the man made system to study everything around us that we want to study. In most cases it is about things we don't know or don't understand. In this system it is possible to change scientific views when new data becomes available. Progressive insight it's called. Scientist told us for ages that the earth was flat .... until they found out it was actualy round. Or is it? Most of us don't realize how limited our knowledge still is about how all these intricate processes in our body and mind work and interact. That's why there can be so much (scientific) debate. We only hear about what we think we know now. But that is not always the final word, just work in progress.
And one other thing is, that I am not so sure about the human wish for longevity. I know a lot of older people that are not necessarily eager to live longer. But almost all people want to have a life in good health. It is very concerning that health issues appear ever earlier in life and impacting the lives of younger people more and more. You don't need science to understand that this is a very serious issue. I think it would be wise to not push science unrealisticly and religiously. Science can change its mind in a day or even in a second. Health is very much a natural thing, so common sense can be very important.
Simon, I hope not a stupid question but will a plant predominant low carb diet / keto like diet raise APOB? I have been WFPB for many years - with high fruit intake - but find I feel better when I get into ketosis sometimes, so I now have many low-carb days, higher fats mainly from nuts and seeds but eggs maybe twice a week, sardines maybe once a week. Wondering if it is more the saturated fat that raises APOB or if it is related to the process of being in ketosis at all? 54 years old, level 1 visceral fat, physically active. Getting bloods done next week so I guess will see... APOB included. What is the optimal number? thanks
I see on your one video that the Oreo guy said that he did 3 to 4 weeks of a vegan keto diet - low saturated fat / decent amount of fiber - and followed with a carnivore diet (steak eggs bacon butter) with a few carbs (2 bananas and a sweet potato), and his LDL dropped with the latter. So is there something about the actual ketosis that affects these markers? I feel great on a low carb plant predominant lifestyle, getting in and out of ketosis, but don't want to be doing something that will be harmul in the long run. Before peri-menopause, I was a carb queen - just feel that my mental health is better when lower carb since perimenopause. thanks
@@carriebecker2092 I’m also curious about this because when I am WFPB now (over 50) my executive function, mental health, and energy levels plummet within weeks. And the weight gain is immediate. No, I don’t go too carb heavy when WFPB (I’ve learned my lesson). But plant fiber hurts and after months I still don’t adjust. As soon as I am in ketosis, I’m exercising, sleeping well, clear headed, and happy. After years of trying over and again to live WFPB, I feel like menopause has made it truly impossible. Any suggestions? 🙏
@@Shohga1216 I hear you. I don't have a problem with plant fiber though. My diet is high fiber and high plant protein. The odd bit of animal protein here and there but through intermittent fasting and lower carb (less fruit, less grains) I get into ketosis and like you said, focus improves, energy levels improve, exercise capacity improves... I can handle more carbs some days but not day in and day out, then I just don't do as well. So, it is what it is. To be a happier and more balanced wife and mom, some ketosis seems to be the key ;) I've read alot about intermittent metabolic flexibility...seems to be key for me :)
@TheProofwithSimonHill Any thoughts?
@@carriebecker2092 My gosh, you're where I want to be!! I crave fish and eggs (and fish eggs :) though. I sometimes wonder if it's related to my SNPs in my genome where I know I have methylation issues and certain vitamins don't get processed/absorbed as well (A, E, C, folic acid for example). When I am animal-based, no real problems except that I WANT to eat more plant matter and more plant protein! After ten years in Japan, I long for a return to that diet most of all. I love how @theproofwithsimonhill makes these nuanced N=1 questions feel possible to answer instead of pushing a single way of eating and being!
27:20 You’re saying that when there is an over abundance of lipo b carrying LDL particles they become deposited in the artery walls due to “crashing “ into the vessel wall? Really? I thought that plaguing phenomena was due to inflammation of the artery wall.
Please expand on your explanation.
That is ground zero which is what causes the inflammation in the first place. I suggest listening to my first episode with Dr Thomas Dayspring on this channel 🙏🏼
I can't bring myself to watch this interview. I can't Ellen Fisher seriously anymore ever since she did the interview on The "Well F&$%ed woman"
Mine is easy. As I am diabetic, i prefer low carb and OMAD.
I'm confused. The saturated fat from fermented dairy does not raise ApoB? I know that's what Zoe says, but Dr Greger strongly disagrees.
Well it’s not that it doesn’t - but compared to other animal fats it has much less effect. Still probably a slight reduction if you swap out dairy for plant foods. But may be mediated more from the increase in PUFAS and fibre
@@TheProofWithSimonHill TY for the reply.
Ray peats method basically
Simon, my non-HDL is 94 while my ApoB is 70. Not close at all.
Be guided by your ApoB here
What about for children toddlers
What is Simon's take on the French Paradox, or that longevity is ranked top by Japan/Hong Kong, big saturated fat/animal/egg eaters. And the fact that a vegetarian nation, like India, is way down on the longevity ranking?
Written about in my book. You need to compare high versus low meat/saturated fat intake WITHIN those populations
@@TheProofWithSimonHill So, in theory...if I were only average in the Japan/HK, but would still be **well above** average in , say, the US/UK...I'd be fine. Fwiw I'm not keto or carnivore, but finding a balance is best...no need to become plant based or vegan/vegetarian especially. Exercise often, sleep well, fast occasionally...you should be fine🙂
The goal of our human ancestors was to procreate as long as possible and pass down wisdom, share knowledge, teach skills, build communities, develop strategies, etc.
To achieve this and evolve to the position humans are at today required our ancestors to live long successful lives. We wouldn’t be here today if the goal of our ancestors was just to reach the age of procreation, that a ridiculous assumption.
It’s what evolution cares about. Humans have kids in their late teens or 20s. They need to be old enough for their kids to mature. So they need to get to their late 30s for their kids to survive. After that, there’s little selection pressure
@@TheProofWithSimonHill Human evolution cares about survival, finding and consuming the highest quality food source first and foremost, followed by the mechanism of natural selection, survival of the fittest where individuals most adapt to their environment survive. These adaptations are a requirement prior to the mechanism of procreation, and high quality nutrition was consumed which enabled more time to teach, learn, innovate, share knowledge, make tools, etc.
You mention our human ancestors need to be old enough for their kids to mature. How is this determined? How do you grade maturity? Also, approximately 50% of newly born humans did not survive puberty, so the pregnancy rate of ancestral females was very high and studies estimate 15-30 pregnancies in a lifetime.
I absolutely crashed after year 3 of the vegan diet.
Irriable, no short term memory gone.. weak...
Oddly enough my bloods were perfect for everything.
i was a Big eater too!
My normal day is 20-30k steps of hard landscaping work, using about 4k + calories.
I went more healthy plant rich omnivorous and everything improved.. also my body actually holds onto some muscle.
Oddly my iron is now low 😅.
What the hell man.
I think there’s some individualisation that needs to occur within this theme of healthy eating. Well done finding what works best for you
30:00 He's completely misrepresenting what Cochrane analysis says, it says LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE of what he claims it says. I'm actually quite surprised that he can blatantly misrepresent the study in a public video. Anybody that can read English, can go and check the cochrane review and be surprised how he's completely telling the opposite of what Cochrane study says on saturated fats. Cochrane study found ABSOLUTELY ZERO evidence regarding cutting saturated fats to have a positive impact on any cardiovascular events (all cause mortality, cardiovascular mortality, myocardial infarctions, stroke, CHD mortality or events etc etc).
That’s wrong as I’ve commented below. You’ve posted the same comment multiple times
@@TheProofWithSimonHill Yes because you keep referring to "meta-analyses of randomized controlled trials" proving your theory, in fact that study completely disproves this theory of yours "saturated fats are evil and you need to replace them with seed oils".
Every time you claim that RCT's are proving your theory, it's worth to mention that you're misrepresenting that study. The study says the opposite and it doesn't support your claim.
I understand your viewers are vegan/vegeterian people like you, but if you're in the public arena making false claims, you should be also ready for people who actually read these studies and adress the misrepresented facts.
This is what I'm doing and will keep doing.
@@md82892 So I opened the systematic review of 2020. This is what we're talking about right?
This is what the authors conclusion said:
"Authors' conclusions: The findings of this updated review suggest that reducing saturated fat intake for at least two years causes a potentially important reduction in combined cardiovascular events. Replacing the energy from saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat or carbohydrate appear to be useful strategies, while effects of replacement with monounsaturated fat are unclear. "
What did he get wrong ?
For those of us who followed the advice to lose weight we must be very low carb ... How can we reintroduce carbs, without putting weight back on??? Anyone ???
For me it was as simple as replacing fat calories with carb calories. I didn’t just add carbs to a high fat diet. Now I eat hundreds of carbs a day and I’m thin and muscular and energetic all day. Cheers!
The right carbs will make you lose weight.stuff like lentils, beans, tofu, tempe etc. combine with loads of veggies, fruit and whole grains.
Adding carbs will cause some water storage immediately via glycogen in your muscles. If you add carbs back, don't be discouraged because of 5-10 pounds of immediate weight gain. It's not fat gain. If you gain weight after the first 2-3 weeks, then simply manage portions.
53:00 He claims the only way to lower visceral fat and fatty liver is to reduce meat and eat more plants. Where is the proof for that?
Losing body weight is the most important way to lower visceral fat / see Roy Taylor’s work. It’s undeniable though that dietary constituents matter too outside of calories. Sat fat drives up liver fat compared to PUFAS.
@@TheProofWithSimonHill Can you site which research paper claims that?
@@RaveyDavey He even accepted in the comment that he claims that. Do you literally know better than Simon himself? Are you his PR agent correcting what he openly claims? 🤦♂️
@@RaveyDavey ok I guess you haven’t listened to this entire video (I get it, hard to listen all this nonsense for 2 hours). Here are exact quotes from the video that suggest reducing meat and saturated fat to reduce fatty liver:
1. *On the relationship between saturated fat and liver fat:*
- "In the context of someone who is eating excess calories-and a lot of people are eating excess calories-you can eat an ancestral diet and still be eating excess calories. In the context of eating above what your daily energy requirements are, if you're gaining weight on an ancestral diet with a lot of saturated fat, you can bet... it's going to be visceral fat. We know that saturated fat really drives up the fat in the liver and also in the pancreas."
2. *On saturated fats and metabolic health:*
- "Saturated fats decrease the sensitivity of that receptor [the LDL receptor in the liver]. Polyunsaturated fats do the exact opposite, they open the gate up. They help the liver clear these ApoB-containing lipoproteins."
3. *On swapping saturated fats to improve liver function:*
- "When you swap those calories from saturated fat for polyunsaturated fats, you see a reduction in this very harmful ectopic fat, is what it's called scientifically, in the liver and in the pancreas."
He provided ZERO proof on any of these claims, only epidemiological junk science, no human RCT’s.
The thing is meat has changed but also so have vegetables and fruits it’s called evolution like people change
Nice job of tap dancing around the coconut question. Funny how many people attempt to coach the answer to their liking.
Think required amino acids, and not the protein count.
All I know is that at 55 and with a body scan that says im 46 I feel amazing. All i have consumed in 3 years is steak, sardines, 10 eggs a day and 1.5 liters of milk on omad.
What does a body scan look at? I'm not familiar with it.
@Kayte... lean muscle mass, subcutaneous fat vs visceral fat percentage breakdown , intra cellular protein levels, stuff like that.
@@peterwilson1038 Those scans are not very accurate and even if they were, they don't tell you what's going on in your arteries.
@RaveyDavey yes actually. Before the diet I had a CAC score of 25. After 2 years on the diet my second CAC was also 25. So the diet stopped the progression of atherosclerosis, a disease that normally progresses at a rate of 15 to 20 % a year. That's why my doctor was amazed. As far as cancer is concerned there is a lot of evidence to support the position that mitochondrial health is improved with low carb and intermittent fasting.
@@peterwilson1038 CAC scans only show calcified plaque, not the more dangerous soft plaque that can rupture.
18:35 Simon says when they replace saturated fats with unsaturated fats the literature is very clear and they see an improvement in biomarkers. This is completely debunked by meta-analyses of randomized controlled trials, THERE IS NO BENEFIT of replacing saturated fats with unsaturated fats in any of the cardiovascular diseases and risk markers. He has been failing to demonstrate a stronger evidence for his claims.
“Limiting saturated fatty acid (SFA) intake is recommended for cardiovascular health.
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Reducing intake of SFA lowers atherogenic lipoproteins.
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SFA may affect cardiovascular risk through non-lipoprotein-related mechanisms.”
www.lipidjournal.com/article/S1933-2874(21)00248-8/abstract
Have Kevin Maki on soon.
Suggest you listen to last weeks ep on fats.
If you don’t consider dose, type of saturated fat and replacement nutrient you can be left confused.
@@TheProofWithSimonHill This is another opinion piece from Kevin Maki. So what? Is it a proof? He's using vague language like "suspected to contributor of ASVCD risk" and again he refers to observational studies, which are the lowest grade of evidence. I'll pass this one unless you have a better argument or research.
We can paste opinion pieces all day long, opinions are interesting. But everyone has one... So what? Should we now use them as evidence to tell people to change their diet is this what you're suggesting?
I don't know who Kevin Maki is and I don't care about his opinion unless he has a scientific evidence more valuable than observational studies.
What kind of LDLs are "causing" heart disease? Bouyant or small?
What causes LDL to oxidize?
Aren't LDL just present at the injured artery? How do they "cause" the disease considering they're part of the immune system.
How can something that is part of the immune system, "cause" disease? Even autoimmune disorders aren't "caused" by the autoimmune response. They are CAUSED by something that TRIGGERS the response.
There are brand new studies done by medical doctors and students proving the Lean Mass Hyperresponder phenotype who does NOT suffer for greater LDL presence. What do you know about the LMHR? They make the bouyant LDL.
As much as you hammered the LDL, you said NOT ONE WORD about the TYPE of LDL.
I agree about including plants, but considering Blue Zones include significant animal products, except for the Adventists, I can't be afraid of them.
I am very, very resentful at the complete FAILURE of science to have ONE answer for the world. There is either ONE TRUTH or you're all epic failures. There can't be multiple truths. If people are different, then every single study should be taken with a grain of salt. Pun intended.
All LDL can be atherogenic as under 70 nmol in size.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28444290/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31642874/
It’s once they are retained that they become oxidised in the wall. Oxidised LDL in plasma appears innocuous.
Holy cow Simon wooly mammoth would be way way fattier than beef and lamb!! 😮
Unlike the cows and other domesticated animals today, the fat that the woolly mammoth would have wouldn't be highly marbled and spread all throughout their muscles.
51:00 He claims you can feel good in short term and can harm yourself in the long term. Now clinical trials are showing when people do a ketogenic diet full of meat and saturated fats is improving their untreatable diseases such as Bipolar disorder, Schizophrenia, Depression. They're also improving IBS, arthritis and other metabolic diseases that they have been experiencing.
So the question is, how come a person can metabolically and mentally getting significantly better and will die sooner than expected? He has literally no scientific evidence that proves his hypothesis on this and it defeats common sense. A diet fixed multiple metabolical issues will give you early death.... come on...
Share the clinical trials then? Are you referring to Chris palmers work? While interesting mostly anecdote if so
@@TheProofWithSimonHill No Chris Palmer's work is mostly case studies. The real clinical trials started after Bazucki family founded their foundation.
Right now "Ketogenic Diet Intervention on Metabolic and Psychiatric Health in Bipolar and Schizophrenia: A Pilot Trial" is done, another one is done in France by Dr. Georgia Ede and Eric Westman and Albert Danan "The Ketogenic Diet for Refractory Mental Illness: A Retrospective Analysis of 31 Inpatients"
3 other clinical trials is on the way from Stanford and Delft university. All showing very promising results.
You definetely don't know the work on this field and claiming that "short term it works, long term you're putting your health on risk" is a very dangerous claim given the fact that people are being cured from life long conditions with this diet and biggest proof you have for your claims are coming from low-grade epidiomological studies.
I strongly disagree with your comments on Cochrane, it's cherry picking at best, blantly misrepresenting what that story shows in reality.
@@md82892 Agree, makes absolutely no sense.
@@TheProofWithSimonHill I did share the clinical trials but for some reason either youtube or your channel blocks my replies to your replies. Let's see if this one is also going to be blocked. If not I'll edit this one and add the clinical studies that have been done and under progress in Delft, Stanford universities and multiple hospitals across the world.
I am not sure plant based diet reduces blood glucose however stopping eating ultra processed food/snacks 100% could definitely reduce fasting glucose. Eating legumes and whole grains actually spikes blood sugar so the net result may be negligible on blood glucose levels
Followed the "science" & went plant based for 40 years. Wish I hadn't. Animal based now & thriving.
We wouldn't drive a car where the brakes work only 5% of the time nor would we buy a cell phone that drops 95% of the calls. So it's always disappointing when Simon cites junk science using animals that has the same rate of failure when results are applied to humans.
Can you provide an example?
25:09 He's repeating the lipid-heart hypothesis, claiming that ApoB levels is a market for cardiovascular disease and should be reduced by all means (this is the marketing pitch for Statins, that drug companies and their researchers who are funded by them preaches). There is a correlation with ApoB and heart disease, but he doesn't really understand the underlying mechanism why certain people with high LDL cholesterol develops heart disease and why others don't.
Basically if there is a fire, you're going to see a fire truck at the site. The researchers and all these epidemiological scientists are looking at the fire trucks and concluding "the number of the fire trucks are a good indicator of heart disease, so if we take out the fire trucks then there will be no fire". This is a very good business for statins, but terrible for human health.
On the contrary, there is absolutely no longevity benefits of statin drugs in terms of increasing the lifespan or all-cause mortality or cardiovascular disease mortality. They just remove the fire trucks and blame the fire department for all these fires.
The LDL particles are found in clogged arteries simply because they're there to heal a rupture. The question is what caused this in the first hand and why are we blaming fireman for the fires.
The lipid-heart hypothesis so far failed to explain the root cause of this because these clogging only happens certain parts of the arteries (why not veins?) and only happens at the high pressure points that are mechanistically prone for wear and tear from high pressure and friction. The question is what causes this friction only in certain parts of the arteries but not in other parts or not in veins. It's certainly not because LDL (on the contrary compared to low LDL population, higher LDL populations is statistically living longer).
Before taking statins and believing this hypothesis funded and fueled by drug companies, you need to start at what is the real cause of it. Meat consumption has been dropping since the last 40 years in USA while coronary diseases are increasing, if meat and saturated fat was the cause, why when these are going down and unsaturated fats as Simon preaches increasing we're still seeing this issue?
Ground zero is ApoB containing particles penetrating the artery wall and becoming retained. This is what causes local inflammation to commence.
@@TheProofWithSimonHill Actually this is not something clinically proven, it's a theory. They find mostly oxidized LDL particles under the artery wall and concentration of these particles is extremely small in that wounded area.
Oxidization of LDL mostly happens from inflammation but there is no proof that LDL created those clogged arteries. If there is paste your research paper explaining the mechanism.
This lipid-heart theory is based on this hypothesis which is not proven. Again if that was the case, then why the same LDL particles don't cause issues in other parts of the arteries and nothing happens in veins? Do you have an answer for it?
@@TheProofWithSimonHill No, there is no proof for what you’re claiming. At least on double blind randomized controlled trials completely debunks this claim. Do you have such a study that you can refer to done on humans?
I have one, and it has been done by Ancel Keys himself and his co-authors btw 1968-1973 on 9423 people in nursing homes and mental hospitals. It was a meticulously done double blind randomized trial. Ancel Keys and his co-author buried the study, never published the data and until a researcher reached out to one of the researchers son and found two magnetic tape of data we would never known the outcome of this data.
This study was done in the era when ethical boards were much more flexible, it would be impossible to do it now. So we literally don’t have anything stronger than this research debunking the claim that we should replace saturated fat with seed oils.
Here is the conclusion:
“Available evidence from randomized controlled trials shows that replacement of saturated fat in the diet with linoleic acid effectively lowers serum cholesterol but does not support the hypothesis that this translates to a lower risk of death from coronary heart disease or all causes. Findings from the Minnesota Coronary Experiment add to growing evidence that incomplete publication has contributed to overestimation of the benefits of replacing saturated fat with vegetable oils rich in linoleic acid”
it’s all well and good telling people what they should avoid but if you try to create a diet from it you see just how unrealistic it is, I don’t understand why these experts ever show you an example of what diet would actually look like
because realistically most men need about 3000kcal a day because of physical jobs + gym
so the diet according to your advice is literally eating a ton of carbs everyday, with vegetables and some fats and a little fish
potato, quinoa, lentils, beans, green vegetables, nuts, fish
this isn’t enough protein so you need at least one shake
you can’t seriously think that’s the healthiest diet according to science?
literally every meal is just carbs with vegetables with a little olive oil? with one meal having fish
not to mention if you want to hit your RDA on some nutrients like calcium for example you either have to eat a ton of broccoli or kale everyday and avoid oxalate heavy foods (which is most plant foods) or you are forced to eat processed foods that are supplemented with calcium
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why do children need to eat meat?
Because of protein and micronutrients. Meat, eggs, liver, fish - all that contain much more vitamins and minerals than same amount of plant foods, vitamin plus B12. AND less or no acne, no gut problems, poop problems, psychological problems, anxiety, and no obesity.
They don't. Protein is in plants too. No problem. You do need to supplement B12.
i think kids need a tiny bit of meats but a lot of whole foods and fibre. a lot of fermented food.
@@milanpintar what we think - is mostly what we've learnt, and our adult food disorders show that what we've learnt is wrong. Children normally digest anything easily, except if they get allergies. But they also quickly get bad food habits, like sugary drinks and sweets. Fruit drinks, too. Needless to say that for the liver too much fructose is as bad as sugar.
Of course, there are and will be exceptions for adults who have good metabolic health no matter what they eat. But when I see our 50 y. olds around me, it's 1 healthy looking person to 100 very poor looking, and this includes obesity, lipoedem, lymphoedema, thyroid issues , etc. We can argue what children need as long as our own child is doing well. But as soon as he or she exhibits allergies, food intolerances, gut problems, ADHD, etc, we are desperate and looking for a cure by the doctors, instead of just changing the diet. So why poison our children with gluten and fructose and sugar in the first place and not give them a proper diet which won't give them and us pains?
@@k.h.6991 I am pretty sure no parent would give a child a protein drink, thus it is very hard to meet a protein goal with only plant proteins. A child will never be able to eat enough soy, beans, etc. to cover its daily needs.
Simon, you really throw that word “risk”, around very loosely. Do you know words have meaning and that word does not mean what you think it means, especially in the context that you are using it. Unfortunately, all of the “science” that you rely on is epidemiology, and that manifestation of “science” is not rigorous enough to define risk. You should really do a critical video on epidemiology, what it is and what it is not. You could also include all kinds of wonderful information like statistical analysis, and define common terms like signal-to-noise ratio, area under the curve, etc., but I don’t think you’ll do that because the minute you do it half of your viewers will leave you and then you won’t make any money.
I actually plan to sit with Deirdre Tobias - obesity and nutritional epidemiologist - to discuss all of this. Lot of confusion here!
@@TheProofWithSimonHill I have seen some of her commentary. Wouldn’t it be more productive to invite someone that could be more critical (thinking) regarding epidemiology and statistics? She is not going to highlight the huge shortcomings of long term outcomes through the lens of epidemiology. At least she won’t highlight them in a meaningful way. Also, she is smart but she doesn’t seem to understand how quantum physics interacts with bio chemistry. And if I had to guess, she is probably a plant pusher like you, but I don’t know for sure. 🤷🏻♀️
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