Takeaways from Jokic & Jamal Murray's Olympic debuts
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ต.ค. 2024
- Nikola Jokic plays great, and then he sits down and his team gets the crap kicked out of them. So everything is normal. Team Serbia is blown out by Team USA despite Nikola Jokic's plus-minus of zero, dead even. Why is shooting so important around Nikola Jokic? Plus, Jamal Murray is having a not-great summer. What's the concern level? World's Finest breaks it down with Adam Mares and Matt Moore.
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Jokic needs big help if nuggets organisation wants more rings and Jamal not worth the max my takeaway
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Whenever Jamal doesn't perform at an elite level you guys speculate that he is dealing with an injury. Every NBA player is dealing with something pretty much all the time during the NBA season. Why do you give Murray a pass when he doesn't deal with it as well as others?
At this point this is who Jamal is. Sad that the Nuggets have to max him out
@@je5406 They don't have to. They are idiots if they do.
Yeah, they can talk about "Internet opinions" all they want.....they constantly make excuses for Murray. Moore himself has gone after Jokic about various stuff numerous times while he's usually coddling Murray. It takes Murray throwing stuff onto the court or being an a-hole to reporters for the 100th time for the DNVR guys to say one critical thing about him.
@@miloscurcic8408 they have to extend him or trade him. Cant lose him for nothing
Because Jamal is legitimately injury prone.
People don't dogpile on Kawhii, they acknowledge that he's injury prone
Matt, the reason why Embiid is good statistically in games against Jokic is because he plays only at home and when he's rested...if there's any chance he could "embarrass" himself, he just sits...
The refs also massively favor him. He must have them on his payroll. When the refs don't favor him like in the Olympics, Embiid suddenly can't dominate.
Embiid gets almost half his from free throw line...embiid is a joke
To sum it up any team that have 3 time MVP for 5 years of his prime and dont have an All Star to play with (support) him ..Something is terrible wrong with that (almost criminaly wrong)
And that is nothing to do with toughness or running away to a better place ..There is latterly no team in history of the NBA that threat their All star like this and not compare to MVP and we are talking about 3 time MVP..
I don't usually comment anything on yt, but you guys are amazing and I admire Adam's interest and knowledge in Serbian culture.Though Matt is my fave 😄 sarcasm, real analytics, harsh truth teller... Everyone brings something to the table, keep it up! Swipa keep your crazy energy 👋🏻 high regards from Serbia!
This show is better than DNVR imho...Adam surrounds himself with 3 guys that look like they never dribbled a ball and he naturally looks like the smart one
It took an all star and super team for Lebron to beat Jokic.
Wrong. It took for Jokić to leave the court for them to win. With 🃏 playing it was 81-81
Exactly! And media doesn’t want to mention that. Only that Jokic got destroyed. Serbia got destroyed, Jokic was incredible without a super team!!!
Lebron, Curry, KD, Embiid that's 4 former MVPS. AD was MVP level too not long ago.
@@lenzoltan i saw a lakers fan who talking trash about Jokic after Serbia loss in twitter . I told him Jokic is still your franchise daddy he blocked me right away 😹
Loved the show!!
Jamal can look good only with Jokic, same as MPJ
Jamal Murray perception circle of life: 1) I know he didn't play well, but don't worry year of Jamal Murray coming, 2) I'm giving up on year of Jamal Murray, but don't worry, play off Murray is coming, 3) I know he lost us the championship, but don't worry, he'll get fit, he'll pop for team Canada, 4)=1) I know he didn't play well, but don't worry yea of Jamal Murray coming...I said last season, it doesn't work like this, you can't just do nothing and expect to be good, when the whole league is improving every day trying to beat you, but nobody listened to me
Agreed...where are all those dudes that called us haters...not a peep
@@mydog337im right here hater. You know who won them a championship? Who they couldn’t have won without? The one WHO RIPPED IS ACL AND MISSED A SEASON AND A HALF and returned less than 22 months ago then played all but 3 months since. So…yeah. Hard to never get hurt or to actually heal when there is no time to rest.
But yeah..keep shitting on Murray. Hope it feels good
With the best interest of the team in mind I have been critical of Murray for a year now. Adam has given me push back more than once, not enjoying his masterful 180 would be a lie.
Jamal entered the season in full fan form, it could be seen in the first 10 games. That is why the contract is still in place because it is probably filled with clauses, for injuries, the number of games played - examples. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, there is always a solution.
I missed you two together!
Let’s go Nuggets
I like Murray, but he was great for the nuggets as a relatively inexpensive fringe all star. He's not a good value as a max player.
Just to respond to Adam nothing against you or Matt personally i think DNVR is best NBA podcast like D-line Vogt and LoN is ok to ..I am not suggesting for Jokic to be soft 0 character ring chaser like Embid or Lebron and on..
But if DN organization cant support him like Mavs do for Luka or Milvocke for Giannes and they have different goals like player development or just going to playoffs not competing for championship and if Jokic is ok with that he should stay with DN but FO need to be honest with him that's it ..
And if Jokic have different goals then DN FO then like in every relationship they should go separate ways.. Because every move that FO did right now is telling me they are not serious about wining another ring but build new players sell them and make more money..
And if you really love Jok like in every relationship you wish him the best also Jok should deserve to play with another all star on his team and if he stays with DN i think that will never happen.
As for being soft or tuff sometimes you can be to tuff for your own good.I was in BJJ match i have got couth in an armbar but i was to stubborn and didnt tap so i pull out (lift opponent) and i broke my back and i need to have surgery on my back this otom.
DN should win at list 3 rings by now and i wish they win 10 rings but lets be real and honest about what the goals are what's the problems and what's are solutions
The Nuggets are trying to win (and, might I remind you, actually have won) the championship as long as they have Jokic. You can disagree with their moves but to suggest otherwise is just being obnoxiously obtuse
Murray being the # 2 player was a big part of the playoff problems. He needs to be healthy and play better consistently, not.just the last two minutes.
Unexpected haters ball but appreciated
So you think is better add a shooter.... What you think of Gallinari return minimum wage free agent? He can be a good option?
At this point, I'm not confident Jamal will return to form. His injuries, bad attitude and lack of conditioning are taking their toll.
His prime wil be short. Maybe 2-3 yrs max then a decline. He makes tough baskets but thats thats not sustainable.
He never was in form...that's what I'm trying to say...he can get hot and then people remember the good games. But he averaged 25 points in PO when he had 2x50 point games....the other games he logically had to score like 10 points... inconsistent arrogant player that refuses to improve
If the coach lets Jokic play at least 36 minutes (minimum) and if Serbia has 50% 3pts shooting game, they can win against the Team USA. That can happen say in 1 in every 4 games. It is possible to win, but it's going to be extremely hard.
Nuggets should play similar to how Utah Jazz played a few seasons ago
Jamal needs to earn his contract.
Jamal is 300% overrated player, when he played with reserves this minutes were huge negative. For team Canada probably Nemhart is more important than Jamal. Is he better than Maxey or Fox? Of course not.
He is maybe not better than Dejounte.
And he is always injured. For Nuggets it will be much better to trade him, and take somebody else for him.
agree 100%, people only remember the 50 pieces, they don't remember that when he's not hot, which is 95% of the time, including most of PO, he's bad player. At the same time he's cocky and arrogant and refuses to improve = deadly combination
Disagree with the Dejounte take, neutral on Fox take but definitely agree on Maxey.
Great, Jokic back in 2022 played Eurobasket, how did it work out? They won the chip you say? Last season they must have played all summer, right? They looked, so tired? No, whole team had the whole summer off. THIS IS NOT HOW EXHAUSTION WORKS, NBA PLAYERS GET MONTHS (plural) OFF!!!, you can literarily heal a broken bone in a month. Only exhaustion that's real can be mental exhaustion, or if you do a lot of stuff in short period of time, or consistently do hard stuff for long time, without resetting your body for a week or two. I don't follow other USA sports, so maybe it's all of them, but why are we talking about injuries ALL THE TIME, if the player can play, he's not really injured, is he? in Europe, you are considered injured when you physically can't play, other than that, it's just knocks, be tough. And Jamal this injury is complete nonsense, you are not playing "injured" when you are out of contract next season.
And yeah IMO MPJ was the biggest disappointment in the post Season . I think he's either gonna be traded before trade deadline or he'll be having the best season of his career.
He had some SERIOUS private sh...t to deal, i am actually very pleased to see how he was doing, regarding circumstances. MPJ had some big improvements in his game every year. Rebounding, shot blocking, playmaking. Everybody hate him, but guy is better and better, and Jamal is... Jamal. Same player for the last 5 years.
Jokic has not even played with a single all nba caliber player and he is going to turn 30 this season.
Jokic minutes 81 USA 81 ?????? Non Jokic minutes 3 USA 29 !!!!
Murray is not a max guy
Its simple. Jamal isnt fit enough. Get in shape. Stop being lazy. Take some accountability. He never does. You can tell he thinks his shit don't stink when you listen to him in interviews. He thinks he is better than he is. No champ. You have never been close to an all star. How about showing something from start to finish. Its in your control.
100%, that's what I've been saying for a year...everybody said don't worry "po murray" is coming, well he came alright
If I was Jocic I would want out of this trash organization
Wait, who are you guys rooting for?!
Why do people act like losing Kcp means we can't shoot 3pts at all??? Mpj , jamal, julian, Watson, Vlatko all shot 3s... Stop acting like kcp hit 7 3s a game 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
I think people are also factoring in his point of attack defense as well as his ability to hit open 3's at a really high percentage.
He was a really good complimentary player for both Bron and Jokic.
A true 3 and D guy.
I do think The Nuggets can "possibly" be a slightly better team without KCP but that would either require Christian Braun being as good or better than KCP on the defensive end of the court or Coach Malone choosing to start Russ over Braun, with Murray shifting to the 2, so Murray shoots more shots.
By slightly better i am really saying "more versatile", as KCP had really become more of a spot up shooter on the offensive end and both Braun and Russ can score in a variety of ways, even though neither is the shooter KCP is.
I'm not sure what The Nuggets defensive rating was with KCP on the floor(or their offensive rating) ?
Can either Braun or Russ match that defensive rating and offensive rating?
I think The Nuggets would prefer Braun to be their starter because he adds more size and he plays well next to Jokic and Murray.
That would allow Russ to help the reserve unit.
A possible reserve unit of: Saric, Strawther, Watson, MPJ, and Russ in a five out system with Russ feeding four shooters could be tough to defend.
I actually like Russ more as a starting pg with Murray at the 2, with Murray the first sub, so he runs the second unit as a pg.
Let's see what happens but i trust Coach Malone to get this team playing at a high level even without KCP.
I understand the spacing, but this is one player. We have other players who should be able to stretch the defense. Payton and Christian are pretty good. I think julian is better than his last year stats because he was injured. Our bench is where we needed to improve, and we did (hopefully 🙏🏿)..💯💪🏿👑H.A.D
KCP's ability to hit timely 3 pointers is massive for Denver so that's why his value is big.
I would be very concerned if the nuggets traded Michael Porter for parts. To me, that puts even more pressure on Jamal be the second star that he isn't right now, to lead units without Jokic, to raise the floor of other players.
If Jamal proves he can do those things, then maybe he doesn't need an Aaron Gordon and an MPJ next to him but right now he looks like he absolutely needs them.
Jamal is worse than Nemhart. The rest is cope.
Yes why he is not play instead of Shai?
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Serbs actong like hapless oponent... will for s 2:15 ure win gold. They will be swarming out offense, will be razorsharp in shots and will not let the NBA stars shoot that open... turn over the ball like they did...
The last, the third game will bring gold.
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I do think that alot of people are jumping ship on Jamal and IMO it's too early for all that. He's got next season to make everyone look bad.
I jump the ship last year, after we won the championship, due to comments like:"no, I'm not gonna try to have a better start to the season, I'll be there when it counts." And guess what, I was right. Mix of being bad and arrogant at the same time is a loosing cocktail...you can't just stand around, when the whole league is improving every year. Esp. after championship, everybody is trying to specifically beat you...
As I promised, as soon as you start talking bs about KCP and how irreplaceable he is, here it is:
Reading the comments, I conclude that the majority of people who write comments, including the majority of channel hosts on all YT channels related to Denver, draw conclusions and talk about KCP and other players as if they had no contact with any sport in their lives. Everyone writes about KCP as if he was in is an excellent basketball player, but in fact he is average and completely replaceable, especially if we take Braun as a replacement. If we have to take part in commenting about the Denver Nuggets team, let's be realistic and consider all aspects of the players or the team being commented on. KCP in the play offs of this completed season, in 12 games, only three games were positive in the complete +- statistics. In four games out of 12, he was in double figures - twice with 12 points, one 14. one 16 points, all other games r single digit. He had 2.7 ast per game, 2.9 rebounds pg. Now the complete picture of 3-point shooting in 12 playoff games-4/10, 0/4, 1/5, 2/3, 1/6, 2/4, 0/2, 0/2, 1/4, 4/ 5, 2/6, 1/4 - if we add it all up, we get 51 points from three-point shooting in 12 games, a very bad statistic even for an average player. Next, in only 3 games out of 12, KCP shot free throws, in 9 games there was not a single free throw attempt. How good is KCP with 8.08 ppg in 12 play off games. Steals for such a defender 1.4 spg, 17 in total on 12 POG, haha 10 of them are from 5 games against LA, 7 steals on 7 games against Wolves. I will not write to you about Fga without three points and free throws because it is additionally devastating. I can additionally write that in 12 playoff games CB has a negative +- in the complete statistics in only two, in ten he had a + in the complete statistics. I know that because of the championship team, every fan is attached to KCP, but looking at the bigger picture, he is not a player for Denver. What happened with Brown after leaving Denver, the same will happen with KCP, if he was really that good, OKC would take him instead of Caruso or some other team that is among the top five or top 8 to win the championship, but money above all because he knows that this is the last stop for a good contract at the age of 31. Jokica does not need players who are chasing contracts, but players who are chasing the championship. End of story all the best to KCP and Denver will be a much better team without KCP, Reggie and with Saric and Russ a much more mature and stronger team as a whole - this is a team sport, Denver to victory.
Jokić is too big can't make 3s... Jamal past his prime... Denver cooked 💯💯💯💯💯 sorry not sorry. Denver organization is biggest joke right now sorry.... Arrivederci 🏆