RouterOS have several ways for VLAN depends for HW and for required setup. I like to use VLAN on switch chips on simple devices. It's uncommon in use and not so simple to configure, but it works even on Hap regular and ac series.
Don't forget about DAC (Direct Attach Cables). I prefer to use those in my rack as they are the cheapest, lowest power, and lowest temperature option. But can only use them to around a maximum 7 meters in length. I have the same switch but use RouterOS as I use it for my other Mikrotik switches.
I do have a few DACs, just not a fan though to be honest. In this case, the Mikrotik is fairly agnostic when it comes to transceiver brands; however, sometimes it can be a pain to match support.
Huge fan of DACs, and I recommend the FS brand whole heartedly. They also sell a box for programming their receivers that will clone the part numbers and serials of other manufactures sfps. I have hundreds of them across multiple data centers with mixtures of multiple vendor switches, routers, firewalls and iscsi sans from 10G to 100G.
I Think I have had my Mikrotik 10Gb Switch for 3 Years maybe 4 & Still Going Strong ! They are Pretty Hard to Beat For The Price IMHO ! O I Also have Always Run Mine in Switch OS Mode !
I've heard nothing but great things about the CRS305 as well. I was looking at those originally but with 4 ports, you only have 3 usable when you factor in the 4th as an uplink.
I run two of these; one acts as the spine for my network - the RB5009 acting as the edge router feeds into the 309, and then the 309 feeds to all upstream switches. I also have a second one that acts as a storage backbone (separated from regular network) with Jumbo frames enabled, connecting NAS to ESXi. Note - I don't use any of the router functions; just bridge level switching. Router-level stuff is all done by the RB5009. Great router/switch.
Great video I also try to avoid copper when it comes to 10g networking due to heat I have a few RJ45 based 10g nics I don't even use them because of the temps. I'm currently moving all of my services from ESXI over to Proxmox so I'm definitely in the market for a 10g switch.
I started down the 10G route with copper then quickly learned 1) the heat issue 2) the cost. It just doesn't make sense to me. Maybe for specific applications, such as those requiring PoE (APs) sure...
Don't ignore RouterOS L3HW features! This device CAN act as L3 switch too! It can't offload NAT, but it still CAN offload good piece of routing by switch chip.
I’ve had a Mikrotik CRS309-1G-8S+IN Switch for a few years now. It’s a very nice bit of kit especially for the money so I highly recommend it. I use a combination of DAC cables and SFP+ copper transceivers. I’d probably buy the same switch again if I needed another. However, the Ubiquiti UniFi Aggregation switch is approximately the same price with the same number of SFP+ port and the addition of an LED screen on the front. No out of band management port though. A bit of a tough choice if you haven’t used either product.
@ Currently there are two MikroTik 10G SFP+ Transceivers in port 3 and 8. Ports 1 and 2 use DAC cables. The out of band management port is being used to link to a 1G 16 port Netgear switch (not best practice I know). Not sure about the Transceiver temps. I just set it up in switchOS and haven’t looked at it much since other then to change the MTU settings.
My home is wired with CAT 8, which uses shielded RJ-45s and keystones. I use the Mikrotik CRS312-4C+8XG-RM and have done the Noctua fan mod so that it is much quieter. My computers came with onboard 10Gbe built-in, so this was the way to go for now. In hindsight, I wish I had run fiber, but I got a 1,000-foot spool of CAT 8 for cheap, so I went with it. The shielded RJ-45s and keystones were expensive but reusable, so I wasn't worried about that. The switch wasn't too bad price-wise, either. Had I run fiber, I would have also needed fiber-to-ethernet converters at each of my access points. There are pros and cons to either side... I enjoyed the video, and you gave me ideas for the future!
When first getting connected to the switch, there is no need to faff around with ip addresses when using winbox. It can connect on layer 2 (mac address) and you can then set the IPs from there. Like others said, using DACs for anything within the rack is both cheaper and more energy efficient than fiber. It essentially omits shifting the signal to a real "transport" layer (like light for fiber or true Ethernet levels for copper). DAC cables cost around 15-20 bucks per connection, where a fiber would cost probably 10 plus 2x 15 or so for the transceivers.
Thanks for the tip, but I'd rather just set the IP vs downloading software. DACs are nice. I do have a few of them, but don't like them for a variety of personal preference reasons. , I just picked up 10x transceivers for $2/each and 10x OM3 10ft for $6 each. That's $10 for a 10Gb in-rack connection.
When is the giveaway? 😉 Thanks for the video and review, as well as the details on why you didn't go copper. I'm still partial to DAC for short enough runs, but for anything longer than that, fiber is nice. My backbone in the homelab is CAT6 10G, but mostly because I got the UniFi 16 port XG switches that have the 4x 10G RJ45 ports built in.
Just took one of these out of my lab, replaced with CRS326-24s+2q+rm, building out a big lab and mini lab and ran out of ports on the 309. Running routerOS mostly, but once in a while I flip over to swOS. Never saw any real world speeds differences with what I was doing. The only issues I've had was with some modules, sonetimes you need to configure the port speed manually to get the prot up, especially with 1.25gbps modules but akso with my only QSFP+ breakout cable.
Are you referring to the RJ45 version, think it's a T2? I've not had any heating issues with the DA2/SR2 (I think mine are mostly HP-branded) but the RJ45 version gets HOT without active cooling (not sure the vendor).
@HomeSysAdmin no just a general comment about how different cards generated heat, pretty critical in cramped things like the T740. The 10g rj45 modules and cards are universally way too hot! I had to put one of these in my switch for my new NAS because it only has 10base-t. Hot, hot, hot!
Please note, that newer Mikrotik devices come with a random password to comply with California rules. The password will come on a sticker on the instructions leaflet and on the base of the device.
Good video ! about temeperature sfp+10Gbit cooper it's true,it's make module very hot, and increase consomation of energy. At other side you need use RouterOS instead Swos, with routeros you can win switch features like L3 hardware offload and QoS HW and use Switch like OSPF node and it not increase CPU consomation. You can use also option 82 DHCP and many other features wichs not possible with Swos. In all scenarios RouterOS win.
You're doing a fantastic job! A bit off-topic, but I wanted to ask: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How can I transfer them to Binance?
I'm not familiar with OKX or Binance. Also, if those are your real mnemonics, I would remove them before someone else claims your tokens. You posted them publicly.
Just stumbled on your channel, so thought I'd say hi. The "Histogram" tab, I would assume (seeing and using other vendors) tracks the number of frames switched of various sizes. For the most part, people don't care about these numbers, but as you know, small packet sizes add a very high % overhead to a frame, versus say 1500. Someone may ask, what does your payload mix (imix - internet mix) look like, and you'd go here and say it's like "this", but this is very, very nitpicky.
Interesting - thanks for the explanation! I did some brief searching and all I could find was a page in the Mikrotik online documentation that just said it was a histogram tab - ie pointed out a matter of fact with zero explanation or usefulness LOL.
Dont use multimode unless its legacy, singlemode is what most of us in the industry sre using. Price is nearly the same, and you dont have to stock multiple different spares for everything.
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Mikrotik devices are such a gem. Created in Europe instead of China, OS that supports nearly anything you might imagine, high reliability 😍
Yes please, need that video about VLAN's, because MikroTik does it in its very unique way
Will do for sure! I need to order another switch though, don't want to demo on this one now that there are actual servers connected to it.
@@HomeSysAdmin I’d also love to see you do a video on this
Yes, I'd love to see that as well.
RouterOS have several ways for VLAN depends for HW and for required setup. I like to use VLAN on switch chips on simple devices. It's uncommon in use and not so simple to configure, but it works even on Hap regular and ac series.
The algorithm brought me here, and the subscription means I'll be back. Great job, keep up the good work, and hope to see that VLAN video!
Don't forget about DAC (Direct Attach Cables). I prefer to use those in my rack as they are the cheapest, lowest power, and lowest temperature option. But can only use them to around a maximum 7 meters in length. I have the same switch but use RouterOS as I use it for my other Mikrotik switches.
I do have a few DACs, just not a fan though to be honest. In this case, the Mikrotik is fairly agnostic when it comes to transceiver brands; however, sometimes it can be a pain to match support.
@@HomeSysAdmin I do use DACs, especially if it's in the same rack. I get FS DACs using the generic brand type, seems to work fine.
@@HomeSysAdmin there are programmable DACs out there where you can program each end to match the equipment it’s plugged into
Huge fan of DACs, and I recommend the FS brand whole heartedly. They also sell a box for programming their receivers that will clone the part numbers and serials of other manufactures sfps. I have hundreds of them across multiple data centers with mixtures of multiple vendor switches, routers, firewalls and iscsi sans from 10G to 100G.
10Gtek DAC have been good for me in my Mikrotik switches.
Love the networking as well as the solar videos. Thanks.
I purchased a CRS309 for my server backbone network. It’s been great! I’ve got a couple of VLANs on it and yeh it’s different to setup. Nice video
Yes, a vlan video would be great as well as igmp snooping. Especially if you have multiple switches on a vlan with multicast traffic
Thumbs up 👍 thanks for sharing. Merry Christmas 🎄🎁 and happy New Year 🎊🎆
Excellent video. I wish you could prepare a VLAN setup tutorial for the Mikrotik CRS309. Even better, with Proxmox as an example 🥰
Enjoyed the video. Thanks for sharing
I Think I have had my Mikrotik 10Gb Switch for 3 Years maybe 4 & Still Going Strong ! They are Pretty Hard to Beat For The Price IMHO ! O I Also have Always Run Mine in Switch OS Mode !
Good price. I've been happy with my CRS305.
I've heard nothing but great things about the CRS305 as well. I was looking at those originally but with 4 ports, you only have 3 usable when you factor in the 4th as an uplink.
I run two of these; one acts as the spine for my network - the RB5009 acting as the edge router feeds into the 309, and then the 309 feeds to all upstream switches. I also have a second one that acts as a storage backbone (separated from regular network) with Jumbo frames enabled, connecting NAS to ESXi.
Note - I don't use any of the router functions; just bridge level switching. Router-level stuff is all done by the RB5009.
Great router/switch.
Great video I also try to avoid copper when it comes to 10g networking due to heat I have a few RJ45 based 10g nics I don't even use them because of the temps. I'm currently moving all of my services from ESXI over to Proxmox so I'm definitely in the market for a 10g switch.
I started down the 10G route with copper then quickly learned 1) the heat issue 2) the cost. It just doesn't make sense to me. Maybe for specific applications, such as those requiring PoE (APs) sure...
Don't ignore RouterOS L3HW features! This device CAN act as L3 switch too! It can't offload NAT, but it still CAN offload good piece of routing by switch chip.
I didn't even realize this model had support for L3HW until another commenter pointed it out. I will certainly be checking it out!
I’ve had a Mikrotik CRS309-1G-8S+IN Switch for a few years now. It’s a very nice bit of kit especially for the money so I highly recommend it. I use a combination of DAC cables and SFP+ copper transceivers. I’d probably buy the same switch again if I needed another. However, the Ubiquiti UniFi Aggregation switch is approximately the same price with the same number of SFP+ port and the addition of an LED screen on the front. No out of band management port though. A bit of a tough choice if you haven’t used either product.
How many copper transceivers do you have in and curious what temperatures they're running at?
@ Currently there are two MikroTik 10G SFP+ Transceivers in port 3 and 8. Ports 1 and 2 use DAC cables. The out of band management port is being used to link to a 1G 16 port Netgear switch (not best practice I know). Not sure about the Transceiver temps. I just set it up in switchOS and haven’t looked at it much since other then to change the MTU settings.
My home is wired with CAT 8, which uses shielded RJ-45s and keystones. I use the Mikrotik CRS312-4C+8XG-RM and have done the Noctua fan mod so that it is much quieter. My computers came with onboard 10Gbe built-in, so this was the way to go for now. In hindsight, I wish I had run fiber, but I got a 1,000-foot spool of CAT 8 for cheap, so I went with it. The shielded RJ-45s and keystones were expensive but reusable, so I wasn't worried about that. The switch wasn't too bad price-wise, either. Had I run fiber, I would have also needed fiber-to-ethernet converters at each of my access points. There are pros and cons to either side... I enjoyed the video, and you gave me ideas for the future!
When first getting connected to the switch, there is no need to faff around with ip addresses when using winbox. It can connect on layer 2 (mac address) and you can then set the IPs from there.
Like others said, using DACs for anything within the rack is both cheaper and more energy efficient than fiber. It essentially omits shifting the signal to a real "transport" layer (like light for fiber or true Ethernet levels for copper). DAC cables cost around 15-20 bucks per connection, where a fiber would cost probably 10 plus 2x 15 or so for the transceivers.
Thanks for the tip, but I'd rather just set the IP vs downloading software. DACs are nice. I do have a few of them, but don't like them for a variety of personal preference reasons. , I just picked up 10x transceivers for $2/each and 10x OM3 10ft for $6 each. That's $10 for a 10Gb in-rack connection.
Awesome video sir !!
When is the giveaway? 😉
Thanks for the video and review, as well as the details on why you didn't go copper. I'm still partial to DAC for short enough runs, but for anything longer than that, fiber is nice. My backbone in the homelab is CAT6 10G, but mostly because I got the UniFi 16 port XG switches that have the 4x 10G RJ45 ports built in.
Just took one of these out of my lab, replaced with CRS326-24s+2q+rm, building out a big lab and mini lab and ran out of ports on the 309. Running routerOS mostly, but once in a while I flip over to swOS. Never saw any real world speeds differences with what I was doing.
The only issues I've had was with some modules, sonetimes you need to configure the port speed manually to get the prot up, especially with 1.25gbps modules but akso with my only QSFP+ breakout cable.
The Supermicro version of the x520 tend to run cooler, I have a bunch of them in HP T740's in my mini lab.
Are you referring to the RJ45 version, think it's a T2? I've not had any heating issues with the DA2/SR2 (I think mine are mostly HP-branded) but the RJ45 version gets HOT without active cooling (not sure the vendor).
@HomeSysAdmin no just a general comment about how different cards generated heat, pretty critical in cramped things like the T740. The 10g rj45 modules and cards are universally way too hot! I had to put one of these in my switch for my new NAS because it only has 10base-t. Hot, hot, hot!
Please note, that newer Mikrotik devices come with a random password to comply with California rules. The password will come on a sticker on the instructions leaflet and on the base of the device.
Good video ! about temeperature sfp+10Gbit cooper it's true,it's make module very hot, and increase consomation of energy. At other side you need use RouterOS instead Swos, with routeros you can win switch features like L3 hardware offload and QoS HW and use Switch like OSPF node and it not increase CPU consomation. You can use also option 82 DHCP and many other features wichs not possible with Swos. In all scenarios RouterOS win.
You're doing a fantastic job! A bit off-topic, but I wanted to ask: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How can I transfer them to Binance?
I'm not familiar with OKX or Binance. Also, if those are your real mnemonics, I would remove them before someone else claims your tokens. You posted them publicly.
Just stumbled on your channel, so thought I'd say hi. The "Histogram" tab, I would assume (seeing and using other vendors) tracks the number of frames switched of various sizes. For the most part, people don't care about these numbers, but as you know, small packet sizes add a very high % overhead to a frame, versus say 1500. Someone may ask, what does your payload mix (imix - internet mix) look like, and you'd go here and say it's like "this", but this is very, very nitpicky.
Interesting - thanks for the explanation! I did some brief searching and all I could find was a page in the Mikrotik online documentation that just said it was a histogram tab - ie pointed out a matter of fact with zero explanation or usefulness LOL.
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This guy reminds me of one of the "ThePirateBay" team members.
Well... that's concerning lol
Dont use multimode unless its legacy, singlemode is what most of us in the industry sre using. Price is nearly the same, and you dont have to stock multiple different spares for everything.
OM3/4 are not obsolete and are widely used for short runs. Perhaps you're thinking of OM1/2 that are legacy?
why on earth multimode?
I don't understand the question. Why not multimode? There is zero reason to use singlemode to go 50ft.
No! you do not need to change your networ settings to access mikrotik devices. dont use the web interface but instead use winbox to manage them.
I suppose that's an option. I didn't want to install yet another piece of software.
@@HomeSysAdminit’s just a simple executable, doesn’t need any installation
@@HomeSysAdmin I'm with you on that. I do all my configuration either with the Web interface or via SSH. And occasionally with the serial console.
That’s a deal breaker
sir how to block netshare app in mikrotik router 😇