Is Tom Brady REALLY the Greatest of All Time?
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Good vid although you missed a couple things for Tom tho including Records and Accolades like MVPs/SBMVPs which paint a bigger and more accurate picture that’s without bringing up the playoffs TDs or yards all time which shows a big gap to remember the Goat convo is quite varied I guess but certainly important accomplishments must be shown or else they’d be forgotten or overlooked
just putting it out there. you compared passing tds to rec yards. while jerry rice's stat/record is crazy brady has over 20k more passing yards than the runner up which is drew brees.
Tom Brady is the greatest of all time. Period. Jerry rice had to get open for a QB to throw to him and who throw to jerry rice?
@@innocence3156 Incorrect, it is 9k. Still a less significant of a gap considering her played 3 more seasons.
@@TheUnderDAWGs no its 9k in the regular season. in total passing yards brady is over 103k while drew brees is at around 85k. I rounded the difference (20k) but i think you know that. even the non rounded distance is still about 18k.
The only problem with this is that the data is assuming that every quarterback would not decline in performance from age or other issues if they played as long as Tom
same with RBs / Jim Brown. Also Jim Brown played in a time where it was a running league. Also he was bigger then his own oline men. However Jim Brown in the 90s/2000s I dont think would be the same dominate RB. He would still be very good. But put Emmitt, Barry , LT , Peterson etc in Jim Browns era and they destroy the league
Yeah, it’s garbage. The reason he’s so great is he was better in his 40s then he was in his 20s… that is insane. He also was throwing to table scraps who were the bottom half of the league every single year on any other team.
This is also my problem with the mahomes argument , Mahomes has the best team right out of the gate and still he relies on escaping for 90% of his big throws… look what happens when they lose a step and you become Russell Wilson.
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@@The_0G_Chad Yep it's such a juvenile argument made by a millennial that can't factor in performance drop offs due to age. Especially for mobile Qb's who will have a decline due to injury, and Father time. Also, does anyone ever see Mahomes being absolutely insane about his health regiment as Brady was? I don't see it.
And they would have to play for as long as Tom Brady which is not likely to happen for most
You can come up with all of the excuses you want and talk about what woulda,coulda and shoulda happened but Tom Brady's resume speaks for itself
I never claimed anyone was the GOAT. Simply a thought exercise to see who has the mental bandwidth to look at all of the data and determine who the Greatest of All-Time truly is. So, who is the GOAT? That question can never be answered.
Besides that Belichick has coached 12 years without Brady and has a losing record and has only been in two playoff games so that Belichick excuse is meaningless
I never mentioned coaches, so I have no comment on this tangent.
When you play as long as Tom did you would have a great resume. However Tom played he a soft error. Watch old football games from 70’s and 80’s the qb’s were slaughtered. Tom Brady gets touched and it’s a personal foul. The number of super bowls also doesn’t make you the goat. This is like comparing Michael Jordan to Lebron James. Yeah Jordan has more rings more everything. Lebron again has played in a soft era. Jordan caught beat up. Lebron gets touched and it’s a foul. It doesn’t make Jordan the goat. You can’t compare the eras. My opinion is joe Montana is the goat in the nfl and Jordan is the goat in the nba, but that my opinion. Resume and rings don’t mean anything. Robert Horry has 7 nba rings are we going to put him on the list? Bill Russell has 11 nba rings, I can tell you his era was even easier than the 80’s and 90’s.
As Vince Lombardi once said winning isn't everything winning is the ONLY thing. Tom Brady has more Super bowl rings than any NFL TEAM. If Joe Montana was so great why did he play in only 4 Superbowls?? Most of the time he lost before he got there. Brady played in 10 Superbowls. Brady won 5 Super bowl MVPS because he was the best player on the team. Robert Horry was just a role player coming off the bench so how can you compare them
If you use charts for comparison, you have to start the y axis from 0. The chart at 4:16 looks a lot different when you can see that Jerry has ~1.76x as many yards as the 20th ranked guy and ~1.31x the second ranked, whereas Tom has ~2.46x as many touchdowns as the 20th ranked and 1.13x the second ranked.
Jerry is great, but those are what I'd call 'clickbait graphics'.
being that far ahead of the 2nd ranked is more impressive than being that much ahead of the 20th ranked regardless
So Jerry has twice as big of a lead over his #2 (.3 v .16) than Brady does? And only Justin Jefferson and Tyreek Hill look at all capable of getting close to Larry Fitzgerald's numbers - let alone Jerry's.
For reference, Fitz had 10k yards at the end of his age 29 season. Jerry had 9k. Tyreek has 9.4k. So if Tyreek can keep pace for the next 10 years, he'll get close. JJ is too young to project out, but he's breaking records which helps.
Meanwhile, there are 5 current QBs that project to be within range of Brady by the end of their careers.
Brady retired a year ago and was playing with guys that will eventually get close or beat his records.
Rice has been retired for 15 years and the likes of Randy Moss, Fitz, and TO couldn't get touch him. Rice is the GOAT.
You’re looking at it at a straight glance rather than with context: passing era.
That’s why someone like Kirk cousins of everyone is already top 20 all time, because passing has become such a big factor. This makes it even more impressive for rice since he was playing in the 80s
@@thetf8142 I'm not arguing the conclusion, I'm arguing the presentation of the data. I think if something like 'eras' needs to be accounted for, it should be mentioned outright as opposed to 'correcting' the viewers perspective with misleading graphics.
@@timkvernen4852what’s misleading about the graphics?
Age plays a major role in qb performance, besides there are many one hit wonders or five year performances like priest Holmes or Todd gurley but longevity doesn’t exist. Also add on the two seasons he couldn’t play due to injury or benched to that chart and Tom is basically tied with these ideal young qbs that supposedly will never decline. There is also something to be said for the way he runs the game.
Although I'm one of those people who do stand in the "Brady is the GOAT" camp, I gotta say this is still definitely a valid question. The GOAT debate has a ton of factors, and it's for sure not a settled one yet, and it's only going to get closer as the current era players' careers develop.
And I gotta say, this was a great video. I'm hella shocked to see you only have 87 subs rn. Glad the algorithm led me here. Your video style reminds me a lot of "JxmyHighroller" (basketball TH-camr). Keep it up!
Im a jets fan hate tb12 but he is so good that he really didn't leave us much room to argue that he *isnt* the goat. How many super bowl appearances, 10? 7 rings, left the patriots and got another ring in 2 years. There is no one *anywhere freaking near* any of those achievements.
It is an interesting discussion because Belichick is also a top NFL coach of all time. But he lost touch with the game over the years. Brady did not. And that's yet another reason I would say he is the best to ever do it. I'd say 2000-2005 Belichick was more important and then tb12 went beast mode after.
i mean Brady made the Patriots great, as soon as he left NE. they became bottom feeders and it looks like there was never the Patriots way, but the Brady Way
@ernestogastelum9123 yeah, but that's a gross oversimplification. Brady and the Patriots were both great together. It wasn't just Brady. Shouldn't ignore coaching and years of consistently good-to-great defense. The circumstances of current era Patriots football doesn't really change those conclusions. Correlation doesn't equal causation.
Nah, the debate has been wrapped up since they beat the falcons in the superbowl. it's really not a debate. He is the greatest football player of all time because not only is his statistical resume as a QB unmatched, he makes his team better and is literally another coach. It's not a debate. Argue for 2nd greatest at this point because the greatest has come and gone.
I used to not think Brady was the GOAT, I was more in the Peyton Manning camp.
But as I became more successful in life, and grew to admire successful people, I realized he is the GOAT because he has incredible discipline and work ethic and a way to inspire others that not many can rival.
He's not just a player, he's a leader.
He may not be the most physically gifted, he is not the best QB in that metric, in a power rankings every season, he would be top 5, not 1, that's obvious.
But he makes up for that in his ability to help his entire team win, that's not something that stats, power rankings, or metrics can account for, and he was able to replicate this for 7 SB rings and 9 SB appearances, its not a fluke.
He instills discipline and inspires.
It doesn't matter how great you are if you aren't winning, that's just the facts, and its something many people don't pay enough attention to.
Nobody debates if Aaron Rodgers is the goat, he isn't, even though we all know he's the most physically gifted QB from that era.
Why? Because he wasn't winning.
And I don't think if you put Rodgers on the Patriots in their prime, that this discussion changes.
Brady builds a culture of winners and IS a winner, his story is inspirational.
Not many QB's came from humble beginnings to dominating for 2 decades like Tom did.
That's why he's the GOAT.
The reason why Brady is #1 by a decent margin in football is because QB plays a much, much more effective role in the offense than a receiver does. You can compare Jim Brown's numbers to his era, Rice's numbers to his era, and Brady's numbers to his era, and you'd find Brady isn't that far off from the other QBs in his own era. That said, QB is such a more impactful position than a WR or RB these days could ever be.
For an example take, a QB being top 3 in passing yards in a 5-year stretch with playoff moments AND numbers to back it up is more impressive than a receiver who has 2,000 more receiving yards than 2nd place in a 5-year stretch. It's all about the player and the position. Jerry Rice is the GOAT receiver in my books by far, and the only player that surpasses him on my list is Brady. Jim Brown, Lawrence Taylor, and Reggie White are all a close 3-5.
The QB has more impact to the offense than even the head coach these days in football. That isn't to say Zach Wilson is better at QB than Robert Saleh is at coaching the Jets, just a balancing act between the two. You can have a great head coach, but the QB is more important. This also isn't to say that a superstar QB can win the super bowl with below average players all around him. This more just overall says that a top 3 QB is more beneficial with an average head coach and average players around him than a top 3 head coach with average players and an average QB.
Damn Zach Wilson catching strays no matter where I go
That’s why they get paid the most, get picked #1 the most, and win mvp the most
Brady's era was 20+ years of greatness, no one is close. Also, today it is NFFL, Flag Football
Falcons-patriots superbowl made me realize he was dat dude. and imma steeler fan
This was great retrospect into the nuance of the question. It’s such a hard question to answer. Patrick Mahomes lost to the Lions week 1, importantly without Travis Kelce, who is a key part to his abilities to pass efficiently. This is not to put Mahomes on fraud alert because Mahomes is a legend, however, how he’ll do without Kelce, is a question that must be answered
Also Chris Jones, he’s getting older so they need to find an answer to supplement their defense
@@cjfuller43 Kelce will be around until he retires. They may start training a guy in 3 years time to replace him.
@@sijdnsd6460 their backup isn’t bad, regardless of kelce mahomes needs to prove himself with a bad line and bad receivers like brady did some seasons. Once again not trying to put mahomes on fraud watch but he’s never had a bad surrounding that he’s hard carried
I literally won 20 straight super bowls on Madden with 20 MVPs in a row. He’s a bum compared to me
Based.
Amazing video I checked your channel and couldn’t believe this is your first video with only 200 subs keep up the great work I’m definitely subscribing ❤️
Brady w other teams = 1 super bowl Jerry W other teams = 0 Super Bowls
Actually a W take.
Jerry is a WR. Jerry is better at WR than Tom is at QB. Tom truly isn't even better than Pat at their positions. Just greater. A WR doesn't impact the metrics of a team enough to justify that need rings in the same way that qbs need rings to make a case.
@@iglooJonesmost true nfl fans will still take brady > mahomes. he’s flashy, i’ll give him that. his 50 TD season he was surrounded by one of the best built offenses in recent history. legitimately as good of an offense as brady had in 07. the chiefs were a pass heavy team in 2018 but now run it a lot more because mahome’s style was figured out. he was never better than brady he was taking advantage of how teams were coached on defense back then. we won’t see mahomes have another historic season like that again.
@@iglooJonestom brady in his 40s has as many 40+ TD seasons as Mahomes. unreal
great 1st video! gained a subscriber. can’t wait to see what else you put out 🙏🏽
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great quality video! love the graphs, really reminds me of jimmyxhighroller videos!! Keep up the good work earned a new sub
Where was everyone drafted? What were their expectations?
This man was made worked, natural talent out the window he passed everyone
Gotta love it
Having to make up stats and out this many amazing people next to him says all that needs to be said
why would where players are drafted and their expectations matter for who is the best of all time? that would matter if the question was who was the biggest underdog of all time.
that doesnt matter, if i expect a guy to do good and he does good hes not worse than a guy who i expected to be bad and does ok
@@smoceany9478 you are really saying the draft doesn’t matter? Lmao
@@ShadowSkyze no but im saying it doesnt matter for whos better
@@smoceany9478 and I’m saying being drafted first and doing bad is a lot worse then almost last
Same vice versa, being almost last and becoming the greatest says all it needs to…
People get picked first and are expected to be great
The reason this isn’t a discussion is because a WR can’t carry a bad team at all, a QB somewhat can. Imagine if josh Rosen was throwing to Jerry rice. He’d have been fucking dead to rights and would be a nobody
your an upcoming youtuber and if you keep up videos like this, i think you will be one of the best.
Thank you, I will! Working on a new video that is taking DAYS to collect the data. Finding the single greatest individual season in NFL History!
I am subscriber #82. Keep up the good quality content and I see your channel growing fast.
Wow this video is amazing!! I surely thought you had like 100,000 subscribers at least
Thank you! That's the plan! Working on an even better video now.
W vid, you’re an UnderDAWG of a TH-camr
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Hes the goat of qbs and football alone doing more than any player ever could. Physically demanding or not its unbelievable what Tom has done, and thats coming from a Saints fan. He went to the bucs and went straight to the superbowl that same year and won it. No other player in history could've done that.
UnderDAWGS You are a underrated TH-camr you earned a sub
Thank you! Hope to see you around more. @LingoIsPro
Although an interesting idea, I don't think that there can be a comparison between different positions due to the completely differing impacts that each position can have on the game
Agreed! Until my next video drops 👀
Very goated video for your first one!
Appreciate it!
Thought you had like 100k subs amazing first video😂
Maybe one day!
Patrick Mahomes is the only current player with a real chance to threaten Brady.
this felt like an nfl jimmyhighroller video, great stuff
how do you only have 125 subscribers! New sub for sure from me
Thank you! Working on more content now. This new video is taking DAYS of work just to collect data and calculate an equation I made to find the single greatest season in NFL History!
If this is the kind of content you continue to make, consider me a fan. Great video! Keep up the awesome work
Thank you! I plan on continuing this type of content with the NFL. Are you a voice actor? I like what you are doing as well!
I've dabbled in it here and there lol
certainly very interesting to think about. its hard to say who the best player truly is, but id still absolutely take brady on my team over anyone else, however him being a quarterback does give him an advantage there.
Julio is not retired He plays for the eagles.
solid vid! subscribed to see more :)
Thank you!
Woah I can see your inspired by jxmmyhighroller, nice video
I have always had Jerry Rice as the GOAT. Having a video that finally says that there is a legit argument behind it is awesome.
Ok, I'm glad I'm not the only one
Great vid
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Jerry Rice, my God, 20 years as a wide receiver. I mean even good WR's will likely only last about 5-7 years before loss of speed, and injuries catch up with them. Hence, I love seeing how the great 10 year plus players evolve, from often being flat-out speed merchants, to slower, but more wily vet's with impeccable positioning and timing.
I don't deny Brady is the best, but I wish Brees got the recognition he deserves.
Underrated video! 👊
Glad you think so!
7 rings. this video shouldnt have left premiere.
Obviously you haven't heard of Deion Abdul-Rauf. THE GOAT, 6x Super Bowl MVP, 2x World Cup winner, 18 NBA Finals MVP, and he's even led the New Jersey Devils to the Stanley Cup.
In terms of championships volume supercedes efficiency. Anyone who thinks different is a failure and probably would benefit in going back to grade school to learn how to count. lol
not mentioning jum brown played multiple positions, not just rb, so he led the league in rushing while playing other positions as well
And he only played 12 games his first 6 seasons and 4 his last. If you gave him 16 game season he would have 15,003 career yards in just 9 seasons. We would easily have around 30,000 in 15 seasons.
No matter what, Brady is still the goat, his stats and story says it all
Why are you comparing QBs with WRs and running back? When they say Tom Brady is the GOAT, they’re talking about he’s the GOAT of QBs, not overall football.
Also, is it taking into account that for 10 years Brady played in a completely different NFL. Statistically, the number of run plays per game drastically decreased after 2008 once these high powered passing offenses began being used. For a lot of the early and mid 2000’s, the Patriots did not pass a whole lot. While now, you see these 35-50+ pass attempts per game almost every week
Dope vid make more
Tom Brady will always be the goat until a QB wins more super bowls than him.
You can’t assume production would sustain over a prolonged period of time because that’s partly what makes Brady so impressive.
If you did the same thing with wrs as you did qbs at the end of the video, justin jefferson would have almost 5,000 more receiving yards than jerry rice if he played the same amount of years he did. But that doesn’t mean jerry rice isn’t one of the greatest of all time, so I just don’t find that stat as an arguable claim for either brady or rice.
4,000 more receiving yards*
I did have something prepared for that, but decided to wrap the video around to the beginning. Its just a thought exercise. @@Noahlambchops87
I’m a colts fan so I don’t wanna give this guy like any credit since he took 3+ rings from us but he was very good idk about goat but his stats will back him up
Tom's the goat
I grew up watching Jerry Rice. He is still my favourite player but seven rings closes the argument.
Great points. Two other names at different positions that come to mind are Justin Tucker (K) and Ray Guy (P).
I love Jerry, but remember he also played the majority of his career with Hall of Fame Quarterbacks throwing him the rock, I do not see ANY OTHER PLAYER in the top 20 who can boast such a privilege.
You can divide Tom Brady's career into 3 separate Hall of Fame careers. I dare you to find ANY OTHER PLAYER from ANY OTHER SPORT who can boast such a claim. In fact, very few could even divide their careers into two HOF careers, to have three is just completely insane.
GOAT
Definitly some Jxmyhighroller vibes. Well done!
There’s so much that goes in to being considered the greatest of all time. Stats are great and so are graphs, but there’s an It factor. Patrick Mahomes seems to have the It factor,question is, can you continue to produce over an entire career with coaching changes , the coming and going of teammates,injuries,etc.
Playing at a high-level and continuing to win over a 20+ year career is completely nuts .
Brady has 3 HOF careers if you ever saw Nick Wright's segment, over 20 years.
I got to meet Jerry Rice back in 1990 when I lived up in San Francisco. One of the best players of all time. And yes the league was different then. But Brady still played in part of that league before the rules started changing in the late 2000's.
Anyone who looks at everything, and says Brady isn't the GOAT of all NFL players, can't truly appreciate what he has done, in an era that is designed AGAINST dominance by one player or team due to the salary cap and free agency rules. He has had a greater revolving door of personnel around him than any player in history.
Interesting video, but not good enough for my sub. Keep it up though.
One other thing. Trying to speculate how many passing TD's Herbert and Mahomes will get in their career is so many what ifs that doesn't take into account factors like injury, rule changes, personnel changes, is juvenile at best. What Brady did was never done before, and his playstyle, and dedication to health won't be matched by them. They require more mobility than he ever did, and they won't take the team friendly salaries that he took over 20 years, so their teams long term won't be able to afford to keep reloading on players.
Brady has had some very luck playoff moments that don't get talked ab often and there are new qbs that definitely have a shot if they have some playoff luck like him. He's the goat rn but saying there will never be another is just glazing
@AngryLoser9690 He also had some bad luck in the playoffs/superbowl too. The Giants had 2 insane catches that basically gave them their rings.
The rules keep changing to try and prevent dynasties and complete domination by any one team to make the game competitive. Combined with free agency and salary caps, it isn't suppose to happen. Hence why teams usually falk off after 2-3 great years. Hence why the playoffs always have a bunch of new teams competing every year.
@JustinStrife bro Eli Manning literally threw more of a dot than Tom brady has ever thrown in his entire career to mario Manningham in 2011. Brady has won two superbowls leading his offense to 13 points or less, and won multiple championship games while throwing for multiple interceptions. He is the luckiest player in sports history and there is no denying it. No other qb has ever had legendary defensive play or game-swinging calls in crucial moments like Tom Brady has and no one probably will ever have that sort of luck again. He was a great qb and put up very good numbers after ab 2004, I could even say he is the goat, but acting like he is some sort of deity that would've been as good on another team is simply just wrong
@@AngryLoser9690 You said the other dude was glazing? Bro look at your comment lmfao relax, we get it tom brady spanked whatever team you root for, it's ok, he did it to everyone including mine.
Jerry Rice was also grandfathered in to being allowed to use stickum for years. While people couldn’t then, and can’t today.
Not trying to put an asterisk on him. But at least Brady was only deflating balls. 😂
The technology on the gloves of receivers today have similar grip quality to using stickum.
Monumentous is not a word. You combined monumental and momentous.
Ass-umptions are like excuses, everyone has them. Irrespective of which player you pull out e.g. Joe Montana with 4-0 Superbowls. There are people who say because his Superbowls record was perfect he's better than Tom Brady.
But comparing 4-0 to 10-7 is simply not a fair comparison. 23 years and failing to make the playoffs once is unbelievable.
When you make the Superbowl every other year, that's just nuts. Patrick Mahomes has a chance but winning 6 more Superbowls is a big what if. 😂😂😂
Why is this even a discussion anymore? Brady haters give it up. Stop taking sports so personally
Bro really said Julio Jones retired. 💀💀💀
2 catches this season and wasnt on an active roster for a while. He is retired...
Him retiring is a myth. It was never official.
Normalizing playing 22 years is some next level mental gymnastics.
Brady is the undisputed GOAT. Disputing it is like saying that the earth is flat. No one with even half a brain should take that seriously.
Agreed about normalizing playing 22 years. It is always a fun thought experiment. But I do feel like the GOAT is never undisputed. There are always people out there who disagree, just look at the 20+ comment thread alone. Putting these questions on the table is how we improve our understanding of the greats.
That's an absurd statement in the second half. If you are going on pure accomplishments, then it's Tom Brady. But if you're going on who is best based on skill he's like the 7th best quarterback of all time.
@@TheUnderDAWGsjust because people have opinions don’t make them correct. Tom Brady is the undisputed GOAT, you can sit here and argue semantics all day, but any human being with a brain wouldn’t argue this. Of course barring heavy bias.
@@ctdkmdIt would be great to look at his air pass yards.if we figure that number to a great extent we can say he is or isn't a goat
@@ctdkmdLike recency bias? While Brady may have the greatest championship resumé, he didn't revolutionize the game. Rice did exactly that, and put the bar so high that it may take future generations to eclipse it
This video was awesome.
You are awesome!
you could be the jxmyhighroller for the NFL, plz keep this up
Thats the plan 👀
Tom is easily top 5 all time if not only for the rings but he’s not a top 10 football player of all time.
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I’d say imho Tom is the Goat due to impact and influence of QB or his leadership and clutch ability be it accolades Records or stats especially the playoffs which he’s got double the Tds or yards of second place he’s earned it, but I wouldn’t fault those who have a different opinion to each there own or agree to disagree ngl
tom brady is the goat.
Falcons-patriots superbowl made me realize he was dat dude. and imma steeler fan
To convince me of anything about any of these greats, you’re gonna need a chart summarizing feelings of friends and families, all players on both sides of the ball, weather, altitude, weird bounces, bad kicks, dropped kicks, dropped passes, penalties, bad calls, missed calls, owners, all coaching staffs, esp play callers - for starters. And a methodology correctly weighting all factors, successful over years. And then we can have the real argument for ranking - stats, or what all saw as observant unbiased accurate-memoried fans.
Exactly! Peyton Manning had all the records before he retired. It took Brady and Brees a couple more years before they started breaking them
History defines itself
To be more accurate in scaling the current players, you need to look at their play style and compare them to other players who have the similar play style who are no longer in the league.
Plus, you need to add in the probability that their supporting staff will also decline (2019 Patriots). Also consider coaching changes, rule changes, and changes in the game. There is a reason why the longevity Tom Brady, Payton Manning, and Drew Brees is so rare.
Extrapolating the modern game is supposed to the game that rudy had to play early in his career it’s just Apples and oranges. And by the way how did you leave out Barry sanders in his 5 yards per carry career and 10 years of over 1500 yards
Unfortunately, Barry Sanders did not make the top 5 list. Like I said, the first 5 were honorable mentions to todays game. The others were top 5, of which Jonathan Taylor and Barry were tied at 5.0 ypc. I chose Taylor to better suite the audience of modern football. Additionally, Barry Sanders didnt receive a single Running Back GOAT vote by ESPN analysts. Thus, wasnt important to add since he didnt correlate to my research about who the true GOAT of football is. Furthermore, Barry only had 5 years with over 1500 rushing yards, not 10 like you said. If I come back to this debate again, I may look at Barry further but he still doesnt match the likes of Jim Brown statistically speaking. Thank you for your passion!
@@TheUnderDAWGs I like to see who these ESPN Analysts. I can tell Barry Sanders was always considered as one in the GOAT conversation with Jim Brown.
This is a JxmyHighroller for Football and i love it
I like the approach of the video, but these stats are taken without any contextual consideration. For example, pass yards are a bad metric as you could be up 40 at the end of the fourth quarter, so somebody with a worse performing team may look better in terms of yards. Also, era matters as the way the game is played has changed over time. The only way to go about making comparisons would be to look at something like value added (something similar to war in baseball).
I like all those things you brought up; and though I know you're talking about data, really the only way to judge how good someone played is to *watch the game* which is something most people won't or can't do so they just use stats.
The era difference is huge. I think it's partially why Matt Cassel could be so successful with them in 08. I think if you *watch* the early years, Brady is actually kinda clutch, but no world beater. He was in a lot of games to begin with on BB's solid defenses and rushing schemes.
As the years went on Brady kept improving with the current NFL while BB lost touch. Rob Gronkowski was a huge factor too, him and TB12 saved their asses quite a few times.
*cough**cough* Dak Prescott *cough**cough*
Man, there is a guy who absolutely despises Brady in the comments. He's even worse than that philly fan who's like Urinatingtree's annoying little brother.
He's "semi-pro" 😉
Yes ! Greatest football player of all time!
Mahommes has a chance to surpass Brady as GOAT, but so much goes into that discussion that even that seems unlikely: longevity, clutchness, stats, championships.
Jerry Rice, Munoz, Donald are the only others in the conversation.
Jim Brown is a beast but what role did blocking have in his success? I noticed some blocks in the highlights that would be illegal today. I think that would be an important caveat.
Can we see those charts with a twist for Rice now?
If you are going into hypothetical seasons then you also have to include a player like Bo Jackson. Brady is just the GOAT.
i think that there should be goat awards for all positions
Jim brown didn’t play in a era where everyone on defense ran a 4.3 40.
Although projections are nice, coulda-woulda-shoulda, Brady has done it therefore he is the GOAT.
Russel Wilson is definitely a current star
I think one big issue I saw with this is that you decided to compare touchdown numbers to yard numbers. It’d be far more convincing had you chosen to do TD to TD or Yard to Yard however it wouldn’t show as big of a gap as you’re claiming there to be which I think may have been done on purpose.
You can say PM15 Can be in the conversation but don't forget TB12 DESTROY PM15 not just AFC CHAMPIONSHIP but also in SUPERBOWL and that will always be in PM15 resume..
Oh yeah you’re gonna get big
Great vid. I will say Rice has far more separation from other great WRs than Brady has over other QBs. And he matches Brady's longevity at a position where it's harder to do so, whilst playing in a more physical era as well.
Also he was an All Pro in his 40s..as a WR, which might be the biggest athletic achievement in NFL history.
IMO Jerry Rice and Jim Brown are the 2 greatest players ever...Brady iis just after them.
Modern backs have caught up to Brown's stats but none had his peak and he played fewer games in a far more punishing era too.
Thank you. This is a good take to have. Acknowledging that Tom Brady may not be the GOAT is the entire question.
I understand why people will put Rice and Brady in the GOAT conversation, but they both had great teams around them, and they just lasted longer. Purely based on talent, Brady isn't even top 10, and Rice falls down below the top 5. He cheated by using stickem his entire career as well, so that hurts his argument. Moss has 10x more natural talent. If you watch Rice highlights, that was just regular everyday shit for Moss.
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@@SUPEREV4Nytbrady never had that big of a Team, he made the Team big. Most players were shit after they went to another team. He made so many players good who were average.
@@marceljurgens4167 Yeah that dude don't know
🎶It dont mean a thing if it aint got that ring🎶
Brady is the GOAT
Texans fan btw
Tom Brady is the Messi of football
Tom Brady has the greatest resume in NFL history and arguably sports history. More rings than any franchise, 70% win rate in the super bowl, almost a 50% appearance rate to the super bowl, by far the most comeback wins, game winning drives, and playoffs wins in nfl history by any player. he has over 100k passing yards. To top it all of he played against the some of the greatest defenses in nfl history. 1996-2005 tampa bay, legion of boom 20011-18, 2005-10 steelers, 2000-11 ravens. This aint a debate bruh.
He has all of the records because he was able to play for so long compared to most and usually having a very very good defense to fall back on and the best kicker ever to win games for him.
The Pats reached the super bowl in 2011 while having the last ranked defense, Edelman played DB btw 😂😂😂
The idea of having very very very good defense is a mirage, when teams are forced to catch up ( going on 4th down a lot, passing a lot, etc ) with the best offense in the league when they face NE is why the defense ranked high.
@@amranSK55 how does that in any way matter with what I said? Usually more than covers ONE instance where it wasn't true
Couple things, his ability to play as long as he did was because of his work ethic. Faulting him for his longevity is a pretty bad argument to have. As for the kicker winninf him games, Brady did his job tk put vinatieri in those positions and Adam did his job by making the kick. By that logic Adam vinatieri sure is lucky to be the goat kicker considering he had a qb who constantly gave him opportunities to win games. Also if you subtracted the games where vinatieri "won" the game for them, despite how stupid that sentence is, he'd still have 5 titles which you guessed it is more than every other player in league history
Brady won more SBs without Adam V than with him. The Patriots had a ton of awful defenses. Swiss cheese vs the Giants the 2nd time, vs the Eagles the 2nd time, they let the Panthers with friggin Jake Delhomme put up 30. I don't understand how people can post such unbelievably incorrect stuff in the information age when google and wikipedia exist.
Extrapolating numbers of players in their prime over a timespan like that is kind of a bad argument. First of all, playing as long as brady did (half of his career being in a more physical era) is an achievement in and of itself. So is playing at such a high level for such a long time. Doing what you did kind of throws all of that out the window and I would bet a significant amount of money that justin herbert will not retire with the 2nd most tds of all time lmao
It's kinda hard to talk about RBs in the GOAT conversation because their success is inherently linked to the offensive line's. How good the team is matters for everyone, but I don't think it's a hot take to say Christian McCaffrey is better than Nick Chubb even though their efficiencies say otherwise. Tom Brady is the GOAT for sure, and while that will definitely change eventually, I don't get a strong sense from anyone in the game today that they'll be the one to change it.
You can see the tom brady effect so often, so yes he us the best
All-Time, or just in his era?
Most wins most championships most yards most TDs every metric you use to measure football he’s No 1 and it’s not close