Paimon Forces Octavia to Marry Too!? Helluva Boss Season 3 Theory!
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Paimon: "Congratulations on your promotion, Octavia. Now you must produce a precautionary heir of your own, so you are now engaged." holds up picture of Chaz badly disguised as a Goetia
That or that if Chaz is actually a goetia in disguise of a loan shark who is secretly working for Paimon as his eyes and ears. If Viz actually put that in season 3, it would be a plot twist.
Chaz is dead. Crimson killed him off, remember?
@@gearknight8870 He death remember you fool
HA!
Like that gonna happen Chaz's teeth are now a wall decoration
Chaz is fucking dead fellas
Leave him be.
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if that happens especially now that Octavia is coming of age. But there is no way that stolas is going to let that happen.
Agree.
Father-Son battle? I'm there!
@@alexgeorge501 Him crashing the wedding of his daughter with IMP and giving Via the choice to be free(run away) while letting out how he really feels and the REAL truth. Sick that he was NEVER given a choice in his life and everything set in stone and the last thing he wants is her daughter forced into the same miserable fate. "You have no right to be here!!!!" "Yes I do! I choose to be here and She has the right to choose herself!"
Octavia was confirmed to be Asexual, so yeah. Stolas helping her out of a potential loveless marriage is an example of preventing loved from going through what they have.
I am just imagining that the goetias would actually physical force her maybe by also chinning her at the wedding so she doesn’t fight back
As soon as Via was confirmed as Asexual I theorized that Via being forced into marriage would be a plot point.
Also it would make her understand and empathize stolas's decisions more in terms of how he handled his mental health, why he 'slept with an imp.' (Blitz) Etc
I think it would be interesting if octavia is forcibly engaged to someone who was also forced into it and they work together to not let the goetia manipulate them. They could even fall in love for real, since it's not clear if Octavia is aromantic or not.
I think it was confirmed that Octavia is Ace (not sure on Aro either). I don't know how it will work if something like this were to happen, but it's out there.
@@christiantorres7866 she is canonically ace not aro
Octavia Is Asexual, Not Aromantic
Via is Asexual meaning she ain't attracted to any gender.
aromantic? isnt she just immature in her romantic feelings, like many other teenagers? ._.
An arranged marriage and pressure to produce an heir could also be ways to further explore Octavia’s asexuality in the show.
As an asexual who is also sex repulsed being forced to marry and procreate is my worst nightmare.
where has it ever been mentioned that she's asexual?
There's no such thing as asexual.
@ It was in the Pride post on Instagram from last year where all the characters wore the colors of their respective flags.
@@danny1ft1In their pride event. Spindle Hourse released cannon securities with Octavia being Ace and her uncle and the parrot guy from the trial being gay. Barbie Wire was also confirmed pan in it and Sallie May was confirmed lesbian
If Stella (being Stella) gets a look at whoever has been picked out for Via to marry and pushes her daughter to do it because the partner is rich or hot or well connected or whatever, well- I can easily see her completely missing the parallels.
“He is NOTHING like your father! It’s completely different!”
“How?”
“Because it’s YOU, not ME, you’re the one marrying him!”
I mean, Stella is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
I kind of like that Stella is really.... aloof brained, but I don't think Stella would go that far because people miss the fact that Stella TRIED to make her love for Stolas work in the past. they used to get along and it was only because he refused to show affection for her as his wife that she grew increasingly angry. Even in episode 2 she makes it very clear she's angry wtih Stolas for cheating on her and the first thing he does when she finds out is screams "We're gETTING A DIVORCE!!" so in her mind, she thinks Stolas is literally throwing away their marraige to run off with some imp who tried to rob them and that's what she can't live with. She is insane no doubt, but her rage is for a reason. Plus it's Andrealphus who has to keep reminding her "THink of all the POWER You can get by getting rid of Stolas!" and she's like "Huh? Oh, power..yeah...no I just want to get rid of him! I don't really care about the power."
@MarioMastar no. Where did you get the impression they ever got along? She never liked him as a person. Only as a prince and for his title, status, and wealth. It was STOLAS who tried to make it work, not Stella.
Could be funny if the person they pick ends up helping Via figure out how to get out of it because he doesn't want to marry her either. They both work together to end the cycle so no more forced marriages happen
@@sun_chariot6141 Do we actually know that? We never saw them interact before Octavia was born. I know Stella already had anger issues as a child, but that doesnt mean she immediately started abusing Stolas from the start. And i dont think Stella cares about Stolas' wealth or status at all. She doesnt like anything about him and she never wanted to marry him in the first place
@@MarioMastar What? No she didn't. What proof do you have that she did?
If we're going only by what we've see in the show, Stella has always been vicious, always been rotten, and always been insane. For f*cks sake the very first impression she even made on Stolas was a picture of little her literally throttling an animal while she had a look of absolute hatred and maniacal destruction on her face.
I've been thinking about this ever since Sinsmas.
If the topic of an arranged marriage is brought up to Octavia by Paimon, without a doubt, the line "your mother and father went through the same thing" will be said. This will clue Octavia into what Stolas was going through in his marriage to Stella, and she may realize just what the happy pills were truly for: dealing with Stella, not Via.
Oh I really hope that happens. I just want her to figure it out
Honestly, I don't think it will dawn on her in that way, but rather convince her all the more that she was an obligation. People really need to be able to see from her perspective where she's not privy to a lot of details like the audience does.
It would also be interesting if octaviaa asexual aspect came up in a way that has stella relating to Octavia's partner more than Octavia, relating to someone having to marry someone that will never have any sexual attraction to you, and resenting octavia for becoming more and more like her father, allowing octavia to finally see the truely aweful person stella is while also finally recognizing the nuance of the situation
And especially what her father went through as a child. I just really hope that octavia will forgive her father about this.
If Octavia does end up forced to get married like Stolas, I don't think Paimon will be the one to marry her off nope. If it does happen, there will be no doubt in my mind that it'll be done by Stella and Andrealphus but mostly Stella since she was given full custody of Octavia.
But if this does end up happening, I'm more concerned about *who* they would force Octavia to marry. Because you never know, it would probably be someone who would treat Octavia the same way Stella used to treat Stolas.
A repeat of fate. How poetic. But depressing.
One thing for sure. If it would happen. That should be someone lower than Andrealphus but higher than Stolas.
@@Mew_Video anderalphus is lower than stolas so not possible
And then you have the fact that Octavia is canonically asexual, as seen in the Helluva Boss Pride Month post showing major characters with clothes corresponding to the flags of their sexuality. I’m not sure if she could just reproduce asexually, but I would say that is most likely not the case, but there’s other options for her such as IVF or a sperm donor.
@jakeschreiner9348 no he isn't. Stella threatened to tell her brother. Paimon gave Stolas to the Andrealfus family. Which means marquis, higher in the hierarchy.
Stolas would be upset or almost have a heart attack from anger
Solas is a sweetheart of a dad to her. I hope their bond will mend back up
Octavia is considered ace too, so I’m sure that that would have an impact on her arc if this did come into fruition
Where did you hear that she’s ace?
To be fair Stolas was gay so it’s probably will be similar
@adorablechrysalis7386 or maybe she just hasn’t met anyone, boy or girl yet? Apart from Loona we’ve *never* seen any of Octavia’s friends so claiming she’s ace without _any_ proof is just odd to me … unless it comes from Vivziepop herself I’mma press X to doubt 😕😕😕
@ didn’t vizie showed a pic where Octavia is ace
@@LadyLeomon in the canon art for pride month it shows octavia in the ace flag colors
It would be really cool if this ties into a plotline with Octavia being canonically Ace (Aro too).
her seeing who she will be forced into marrying and have a moment of lashing out "I don't love him! Do you even have a choice in this ma-" ANd Paimon taking a monstrous form to her "You listen here you little welp! In this family a choice is a luxury none of us can partake in. It has been like this for generations and it will remain in stone! *at this point he calms down enough to change back* So its best you know your place. If not... there will be another to fill your shoes."
Leaving her in the dressing room scared, alone and trapped.
@edwardtrooper7027 Probably something like that. I just hope they have an ace person write that episode.
There's no such thing as Ace.
@@TheAgainster Damn, guess I don't exist then 😔
Maybe semi-canonically. I’m not convinced that pride parade image is actually canon since Mammon is also shown wearing ace colors but was depicted as a horny straight guy in Mastermind, and Andrealphus is depicted as gay but seems to have a hardcore crush on his sister, also in Mastermind.
Pretty much and this will be a wedding/birthday crash episode with her 18th birthday/arranged wedding as this would be forced on her without her say in the matter with her Grandad telling her in a passive aggressive way. "Now now~ There is no need to cry over things that must be done. Now get ready. You have to look your best for this day." AKA Suck it up and take it. IN this family you where never given a choice. Like your father before you.
What if Blitzo finds Millie's test in the trash, then thinks it's Loona who's pregnant? He goes on some wild goose chase with Stolas. Only for it to eventually be revealed that Loona's in fact not pregnant, but Millie is.
Thinking Loona is pregnant is such a Blitzø thing to do.
Though, with their relationship as it is now, I think Loona will be quick to shut that thought down.
Hijinks will ensue.
@@sxatcychan1988 Maybe she's out with Vortex at the time or whatever?
@@PeachWookiee And we'll laugh and enjoy them XD
Honestly, I assumed this is what would happen. He will assume he went from a dad to a grandpa real fast.
Vivziepop has confirmed she is ace. So if she is forced to marry someone, she will definitely understand her father.
I think there is a possibility that to avoid a repeat of the Trainwreck of a marriage that caused the scandal in the first place, he will allow Octavia to choose from a pool of potential suitors. It would be interesting to see her get a love interest that way, since it would be kind of the opposite of what happened with her dad.
You know, I was also thinking about how she'll probably be used for another political marriage now that her dad is out of commission for the next one hundred years. And that Stolas is going to have none of that because he wanted for Octavia to have the freedom to choose who she marries.
And yet, he has less power than ever to do something about it... Legal power, anyway.
This is gonna be wild, lol.
Stolas has only been kicked out for 100 years. "Only".
But yeah, I dont see Paimon not trying to marry off Ocatvia.
But to who is a bigger question with Andrealphus and Stella trying to persuae Paimon to pick someone they to me hate to spite who or whom they ever they hate the most.
My guess is that Paimon is going to be a terrible grandfather
but how funny(and sad)would it be if paimon is a shitty dad,but a good granpa
What a bold guess, I say I say!
@@carmen-b4u it's usually the way, strict as parents, completely opposite as grandparents.
@@carmen-b4uThat's an oddly common trope
I'm so good at granddaddying-Paimon probably
Be funny as hell if andrealphus was forced to marry and produce an heir now...
But I'm gay 🦚😂
True cause we don't know if he may be married, since he is canonically gay but who knows😌?
@@Ella-cd1qt Isn't he always going on about how how HOT his sister Stella is? I didn't think he was gay with that attitude.
@@kg6276 Ackward auto self defence.
@@kg6276 it was confirmed in the art for pride month last year
Octavia's possible situation could end up at best that her partner is actually a nice person and they might even actually fall in love with another. (because Asexual doesn't mean Aromantic like Bojack Horseman showed) which would make an interesting parallel to her father in the sense that both are stuck in an arranged marriage but while Stolas and Stella despise each other, Octavia and her potential partner actually love each other. The bad stuff in her life couldn't be Stella, Andrealphus and the rest of the Ars Goetia's influence which would make her suffer in a way that isnt or makes her a carbon copy of her father
My headcanon so far, there used to be an older generation of the Ars Goetia, most of whom died in a battle against heaven and had to be replaced by a new generation, sired by the few survivors like Paimon. Hence why Helluva boss' Stolas is only like forty. And the cautionary heirs thing is to avoid that problem happening again.
Octavia feelings towards Stolas only seem forced because we’re watching from a outside perspective where we are heavily focused on Stolas feelings and situation than Octavia even tho we don’t always admit it we all at one point held some of form of negative feelings towards our parents and other close ones for the things they do in a rational and irrational ways that we don’t always speak up on especially as children and teenagers and would instead let these feelings bottle up causing deeper problems for yourselves and for our loved ones
figures, just like how he did with son, he'd do the same to his granddaughter.
I doubt that Stella will ever have an amazing heartwarming bond with her daughter(Stella never cares about anybody but herself)
I just wanted Octavia to know the real truth about what her father's been through and see her own Mother's true rotten self
True, she's likely going to be forced to marry, but it would be interesting if this one broke the cycle. Imagine if the guy she gets paired up with, actually is well adjusted, (snowball's chance in hell with this show, I know) and actually is a good husband to her as well as any child they have?
Would be nice for once to see a normal relationship in this show besides the M&Ms
Part of me doesn't want Octavia to through Stolas' experience at such a young age because i really like her and don't want her to go through that but if it helps her realize what her father went through then I'm all for it
Her father was engaged when he was 10-12, and we saw how this traumatized him. He probably wanted to avoid the same fate for his own daughter, that is almost 18. Now he can't do anything, and his worst fear could easily become reality.
@@kamithecompiler857 Yeah i imagine so
Edit: Sorry for the late reply
You want her to be raped to teach her a lesson?
Yeah, this may make her see things through her father's POV the hard way sadly. Best case scenario she makes a run for it or the one they chose her is a decent person who's about as reluctant as she is.
@@Digitalfairy And if an heir comes out of it i would like to see how'd she handle motherhood as well as the potential character we'd get from the child which is what I'm most intrested in
I would equally be curious to hope that Octavia stumbles on something Stella was sloppy about regarding unaliving Stolas. Seeing her go super form on Stella
I thought Octavia was being forced to be married to Paimon from that thumbnail 💀✌️
Octavia is Ace. I think the whole idea of having an hire would horrify her and she would identify more with her dad if she was arranged to be married.
Finally something to think about! I’m snowed in with no school work
*_Paimon: I always knew you would betray your family. You were among the strongest of ny children, but the most unfocused. Always distracted. Questioning, EVERYTHING._*
*_Stolas: Oh yeah? Is that why you discarded me save for my birthdays, and treated me like garbage?_*
*_Paimon: I was TRYING, to make you a better prince. But all you cared about was your stupid books._*
I wonder if Vassago is one of Stolas' many siblings. They look similar, not color scheme, but how they are drawn. This sibling has always loved and stood up for his brother. He probably feels similar to Stolas but didn't stand out of the mold Pimon made for them like Stolas did.
If Octavia was force into arrange marriage then she would realise the truth about her father since he was unhappy with his marriage to her mother as he too was trapped by royal duty as Stolas wasn't allow to make his own choices like most regular demon do. Maybe Octavia will finally understand from her father's suffering from his marriage to Stella and the reason why they got divorced in the first place.
I hope, but I also sincerely hope she learns to rebel against her mother and uncle too.
00:28 That was Mastermind and not Sinsmas.
If this was anything like "Game of Thrones" or "Series of Unfortunate Events," it would definitely be messed up if Andrilophis (?) forces Octavia to marry him.
Even though it was disturbingly common back in ancient history, it's still wrong, especially if Stella was fine of marrying Octavia to any member of the family to keep the line "pure".😖
I got a feeling they might pull that in the Birthday/wedding crash episode
Eh that ain't happening
It would almost be funny if she was paired up with that crazy Parrot. "Cantalo, Baby!!"
Octavia being asexual may also play a role into forced marriage her problem with it that's not that she isn't attracted to the opposite sex but feeling barely any attraction at all to men or women.
Loona definitely isn't gonna be Octavia's love interest seeing how the two could become step sisters one day.
If the arrange marriage concept is brought up I hope we see Paimon or Stella going through the selection process of finding a young man for Octavia so we'd get to see other royal children since so far we only got Octavia right now(only current child Royal)
Due to her being a royal, I can see her being forced to marry her uncle. I suggest this as he wants that money and title, and it’s a fact mortals of our world have married uncle to niece to keep power in the family
I don’t think it’ll be Piamon that will force Octavia to marry someone but it’ll definitely happen to her like her father
Btw Octavia is canonically ace
I’m pretty sure it’s gonna be none other than Andrea who’s gonna orchestrate this
@olivercosmicwolf756 honestly? I think it'll be a 3 way sort of team up. Andrea & Stella are going to use Paimon to get Octavia married off so they can stay in her ear & stay in luxury & power.
@@IzzyCoventina Idk I feel like Paimon wouldn’t fall for those tricks of Andrealphus. Paimon is seen to be a keen observer which could very well benefit him in seeing through tricks and lies.
Sexuality clearly does not matter, hopefully the show keeps up with the themes and allows Octavia to be subjected to the same horrors as her father so she can understand and relate to him and maybe even regret lashing out at him the way she did
Who's Ace?
Actually it would be funny if she married a male Goetia who was friends with. A guy who didn't originally have romantic feelings for each other but would fall in love or just be good friends, at least. Also, it would be cool if her husband did form a good relationship with Stolas in secret. A mentor or father/son type of relationship where Stolas would teach him to be greatful and kinder to those beneath him, while trying to keep on good terms with Stella and Andre even if he hated them.
This... is what worries me the most. With Octavia cutting Stolas out of her life, either way, she's in worse trouble. Either her mother and uncle will continuously manipulate her like puppet on strings, or finish her, or...they force her into a marriage with someone.
An arranged marriage may make her see things through her father's POV the hard way sadly. But I do hope Octavia runs for the hills before any arranged marriages got through. Bonus points if she actually rebels.
Best case scenario she makes a run for it, or the one they chose her is a decent person who's about as reluctant as she is about the whole thing.
Buuuuuut, we won't know until Season 3.
Paimon is too busy during hereditary
LOL
If they go this route it’d be interesting to see. Octavia meeting his stolas’ father and discussing a precautionary air is interesting. Mirroring what he went through to get an understanding what stolas went through has story potential that can go so many ways. I feel like on how much pain stolas caused her she’d be hesitant to date a lower class demon like an imp or a hellhound. For all we know she’d be worried being on the receiving end of Stella’s wrath if she found out like her father Octavia was interested in lower class demons like imps or hellhounds. Can’t wait for season 3
I like to think of something more surprising in the outcome, like Octavia would turn out to be unable to bear children due to infertility and would be considered a liability to her own family. That, or she even finds a way out of 'egg-dropping' by doing the Goetia's bidding by using her magic for assassinations on Earth or in Hell, indirectly stealing jobs for IMP. The latter idea could definitely help her connect with Blitzo and crew.
... If royalty can hire assassins why have the precautionary heir do that ? If anything having her be more focused on the prophecies in the grimoire would be better
@@seeleunit2000 Perhaps. We can only hope that she will take her father's role in magic stuff, rather than being denied of it just because she's a woman.
Something tells me Stella could've been anything she wanted, good or bad, but was only regulated to having a kid and nothing else.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's because Paimon himself is sexist, and could've wanted a grandson instead.
7:16 personally I think Loona and Octavia would just be close friends and siblings. Reminder that Blitz and Stolas are dating, and obviously Loona is Blitz’s daughter and Octavia is Stolas’s daughter also. This means Loona x Octavia *cannot* be canon since they’d be step-siblings ( I think?)
I would argue that Loona isn't going to have much interaction with Tex in the future, it'd be a nice surprise but with his lack of appearance at the house party when they're playing games with drinks it makes me think he won't be showing up much now
I feel like Octavia being asexual was extremely deliberate. Even if she's not necessarily aromantic, she'll have to bear a child. Stella seems to see her as a tool so most likely won't get involved, if she even has the authority to, and with his title revoked Stolas won't be able to do anything either.
I’ve got a few explanations for why Octavia Might Not Trust Stolas Anymore:
1. The Affair and Its Fallout: Stolas’ infidelity with Blitzø, which leads to a breakup in his marriage with Stella, is likely a meaningful characteristic. While Octavia doesn’t seem to care much for Stella’s nefarious personality, seeing her parents’ marriage crumble must have been emotionally tragic, especially when the cheating was so public.
2. Stability and Security: Octavia, as a teenager, wishes surface and reassurance from her parents. Stolas’ focus on his own needs (and his usually irresponsible behavior) might make her feel neglected, even if unintentionally.
3. Emotional Distance: Despite Stolas caring for Octavia, his awkwardness and lack of understanding about how to relate to her-especially as she grows older-might make her feel like he doesn’t want to see her or hear her.
4. Themes of Neglect: In the episode “Loo Loo Land,” we see Octavia express frustration over her father’s weirdness by throwing off her with shallow journeys rather than dealing with her deeper emotional necessities. She wishes for affection and genuine connection, not just performative gestures.
What Andre (Elsa) and Stella don’t realize is that with Stolas out of the picture neither of them have power. Octavia is the precautionary heir so all power will be given to her now. However needless to say she’s gonna have the pair of them pulling strings trying everything they can to manipulate her. Also given the way that royal families typically work Paimon is most likely going to force her to marry and produce another precautionary heir. If Stolas didn’t have a choice in the matter she won’t either unfortunately, regardless of her being aroace
It'll be really difficult for Octavia and most likely traumatizing for her if she's forced to produce an heir since it is canon that she's Ace.
Asexual doesn’t mean aromantic there’s a difference
It's an umbrella term. And I hate gatekeeping what it means. People have different experiences. @@Logan_Zimmerman
@@alexissteele5274I understand that I wasn’t trying to be rude
@@Logan_Zimmerman no no no, I was just trying to clarify for you.
@@alexissteele5274thanks
I’ve been considering this from the get-go, honestly. It makes sense that she would be forced to marry, same as her parents did.
In the official pride art Via is shown to be canonically Ace which could be the main source of conflict in this type of plotline
Or somehow she pulls a defying gravity and leaves forever.
I wonder if Paimon's mysterious wife will make an appearance in later episodes or seasons. If she does then I properly guess that she will try to find and help Stolas' banishment after he got banished from the Ars Goetia for the next hundred years so that Stolas can get back on his feet and tries to reconnect with Octavia or the entire scenario will be different like the conflicts within the Goetic family past or something like that.
I think Octavia may realize what happened between her father and mother if Paimon pressures her to marry.
This is actually a fair point, Paimon had no problem marrying off his son as either a toddler or a 10 year old kid. It’s difficult to determine age with these Demons. Plus who knows what will happen?
It wouldn't be surprising if Andrealphus was the one wanting to marry Octavia, since he obviously wants the position and wouldn't be above marrying into it.
Edit: I mean they are in hell if that wasn't implied by this thought, and pure blood royalty has a certain part in history so it doesn't leave this too farfetched by the rules.
ew that is disgusting and I really hope thats not what happens
You realize he is her uncle right?
Incest happend in royal families in real life you know. (Happy nightmares)
There's also the plot point that Andrealphus is just a seat warmer for Stolas's position at the moment. But he wants to keep that power forever, not just until Octavia becomes of age to take it or Stolas's sentence is done. Octavia being forced to marry and bear a child could definitely play into that. Perhaps Andrealphus has a child or younger sibling that he'll ask to be wed to Octavia in order to help secure his position. Plus, I don't think killing Octavia is off the table for him yet. In the event of Octavia's death, her child being more strongly related to him would be a good argument for Andrealphus to keep that power for longer, plus it would give him a person to mold into a tool.
I hope Paimon gets her man wrong while still being close.
I don’t even know if Paimon is even alive in the current timeline. He could’ve easily been replaced once he passed.
I have a feeling he just isn’t around anymore but if he is, that would be surprising.
I feel like Octavia being Ace will absolutely play a part in her decision to not want to be romantically involved with someone she feels nothing for.
Sure, she may want friends but I have a feeling her story will go in an interesting direction.
Considering Andrealphus’s main goal seems to be getting and keeping Stolas’ titles my guess is he would force Octavia to marry him. Yes he’s her uncle but he’s already said he thinks his sister’s hot so…
She will probably be told she needs to marry and andrealphus will try to take that spot in order to obtain complete power over the family and stola's grimoire.
Via letting go of Stolas was... necessary. Tragic, but necessary nonetheless. She needs this time to herself to put the pieces together _for_ herself. Get it? And I still wanna believe she's gonna be okay. After all, Stella doesn't exactly have the tack or cunning to manipulate Via in any meaningful way, and it is quite needless to say Via certainly doesn't trust her arrogant uncle Andrealphus after that battle. Right now, the only advantage those two peacocks truly have over her is the fact that she believes they are somehow victims in all this, too. And I can tell you right now from personal experience that it never lasts very long. It certainly won't last, as Stella is almost certain to openly brag about how she hurt Stolas. Now that Stolas and his (if you'll excuse the expression) "empty promises" are out of the picture, Octavia can determine the truth for herself. Don't get me wrong, it's gonna take a good while yet, but sooner or later, she will put 2 and 2 together, somehow. After all, she's a smart girl who can reach her own conclusions. I just can't help but worry what that conclusion will be.
I think she'll be forced to marry someone from within The family, and then she will get a taste of what her father experienced with her mother.
You’re speaking as if this child is in the wrong
You don’t know what Octavia feels
Hey dont say it like that.. Octavia is completely innocent from all of this stupidity and madness.
What is wrong with you? I mean it. Imagine wishing something so horrible to a teenager who is also right, Stolas may love Octavia but he’s not a good father.
Currently Stolas's title and, non-magical power is being held by Andrealphus, since he suggested it and Satan said sure. So I believe to keep it, Andy is going to first kill Octavia, since I believe she will be of age and taking back those things, since she is the precautionary heir. Then he is going to find a way to kill Stolas, to keep them longer than the 100 years. Then again if Andy can arrange it to where Octavia marries him, that would be an interesting twist, and hit all the wrong spots in all the right ways.
Paimon guessing the true story would be funny like him saying “Contrary to popular belief I do somewhat pay attention to my children’s lives somewhat to get at least a vague picture of my family’s politics”
That’s hilarious.
@ pretty good comedy right?
Vivienne mentioned the Kings of the Ars Goetia when she talked about exploring Stella's background, so I'm sure we will see Paimon again and meet the remaining ones (Belial, Beleth, Purson etc) in S3.
One theory of mine is that S3 might open with Octavia's 18th birthday to follow the pattern of the 1st episode of each season opening with a birthday (in S1 it was Mrs Mayberry's husband birthday, in S2 it was Stolas's).
I hope we hear jafar again
And the fact Octavia is also Ace might have to a emergency heir incase she later on dies will be interesting
i remember something about Octavia being ace so she may not want to have a partner at all and if she is forced to have one i believe she will understand things after that
Ngl I get the feeling Stella and Andrealphus would also be candidates to push for this as well considering they have no care for Octavia like AT ALL
I wonder if they do a "your fiance is a horrible cruel monster" but then with her they're actually a big softy. that would b kinda fun
like someone that was forced into this and is uncomfortable about it as well.
One of the most craziest visions I’ve ever had is going back to Imps having a beast mode like Loona does. Now many say they don’t really have one, but I think if there was ever going to be a chance were we will see a possible beast mode is somewhere between season 3 and season 4. Simply seen where Via finally figuring out Stella’s plans and turning against her and I.M.P showing up for a whole brawl again, but everyone gets injured, causing Blitzø to snap out and go all beast mode on em all. Now striker is there too so he goes out after him and takes him out brutally to show what Imps like him are really capable of. Now take in the fact Via could also give him a lot more power then what he really have. But Blitzø of all Imps would probably have the strongest beast mode.
I know it’s very far fetched. Don’t got to tell me that, it’s just cool to think about.
Stolas is, basically, only on a suspension. A long suspension of 100 years, which... does matter and impact him, the other ars goetia will still be around, but Blitz... likely won't, being a very-much mortal imp. Octavia probably won't have to succeed him for a while.
Edit: For Millie, it's a terrible situation no matter what. If she keeps the child, it's going to involve a lot of trouble and an effective take-down or restructuring of her entire life. She'll be unable to do her job that she loves with all her heart and being for an extended amount of time. And Moxxie... is a questionable father at best. I love the guy, but he freaks out easily. She's usually the calm and sensible one, and she's the one affected by the hormones, making her much less calm.
If she has it and gives it up for adoption, that's putting a child into a terrible, awful system and it will grow up angry, bitter, and afraid.
If she decides to have an abortion, there's possibly societal shame (which she might not have any care for) and then the emotional turmoil that can cause. And not even mentioning how Moxxie might feel about it.
Considering Moxxie loves his wife so much, I think he'll go along with whatever she wants because he does care about her feelings
@@seeleunit2000 This is very true, and we love him for it. But he can also be passionate and may feel strongly about it, forgetting her feelings. I dunno. I just have a bad feeling about this.
If Octavia figures out exactly what impact Paimon has had on her life, he could be in a lot of trouble I think xp
I actually started writing a fanfic with a very similar premise to this!!! It was a little different, since I had Andrealphus be the one to set up the marriage, as an attempt to network within the Ars Goetia, but Paimon works too! And rather than falling in love with a lower class demon, I was going to use it to explore Octavia’s asexuality. While we don’t know if Octavia is aromantic or asexual with some other romantic orientation, people I’ve talked to who are aromantic have mentioned that, for the longest time, they didn’t realize there was a difference between platonic and romantic attraction, and I think if Octavia was aromantic and felt that way, it could feed in even more to her feeling replaced by Blitzø. Especially since this series has such strong LGBTQ+ themes. But I like this idea too!
This was a very interesting theory I could get behind.
I would say Stella and her brother would do this, because I was thinking of it since Octavia isn't 18 and we all know that once you're 18 you can do whatever you want but since she isn't 18 yet or going to be 18 soon her uncle and her mother will set her to get married and she can't do nothing about it even if she trys to there's no escape and Octavia will understand what her parents went through
i hope that if anything it gives her some insight into what her dad went through since he has not gotten to explain things, this could give her enough insight to either piece it together or being willing to hear him out
4:55 have you seen the size of an egg compared to the size of a chicken that’s going to sting just as much as having a human baby, I’m a guy so I don’t know how painful that is but I do suffer from faecal compaction (it actually nearly killed me by crushing my internal organs, it’s so much fun when your own body is try to end you 😡) so I’ve got a better idea than most and I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
Knowing royalty, I would not be surprised if Andrealphus would try to marry Octavia
This is what I’m predicting, and they can address the comments about his “hot” sister. He likes keeping it in the family.
@@animateddepressionhe is confirmed gay
First I want to say I REALLY love your mature insights on the show that doesn't try to force certain views and always addresses proper evidence as we know it in the show, and not what we "assume or want to happen". That's why I love your deep dives.
That said I have to say one thing. Everyone who keeps saying "Octavia's Ace" needs to chill for a bit as that's the exact kind of assuming Deepcut is addressing negatively. Instead of watching the show and letting the characters speak for themselves with context, you're focusing on fetishizing what you want to come out of the show as if you yourselves are the character and that's really messing up the perspective of the narratives. After all, the ONLY reason Viv had to point out Octavia is Ace is because the fanbase kept making pedophilia jokes about her being 17 and harassed the owner of her Voxtagram to the point she had to shut down the whole thing, delete all the posts and leave one addressing the situation. Compared to what Paimon or Stella does in the actual show, I've seen far worse harassment come from the fans who try to force the characters into fitting these molds they want to see and getting really violent when the character doesn't fit that mold, even writing fanfiction/editing the wiki to fit that vision. Use context from the actual shows and don't put your personal feelings or fetish into the show so much to believe in misleading information, especially to the point of violence and hatred. From what I've seen, none of the characters have done anything wrong enough to warrant people fuming mad and making death threats on the characters. We still don't know all thier stories from thier perspectives yet. So all the "My theory is Stella's going to die a horrible death and Octavia's gonna be the one to do it". BZZZT this is NOT that kind of show and frankly....says more about what kind of person YOU are. At least Stella had a REASON for being angry and isn't just out here looking for blood.
Octavia's Uncle wants to permanently keep all Stolas has. If Piamon tries to marry her off it can put her life endanger. And I can see Octavia being forced to marry and can see her uncle being a danger to her life. The question is how will Stella react? Her only chance of redemption is caring about her daughter. We know Stolas would not want his daughter forced to marry nor her life endanger.
“In sinsmas Stolas was on trial” Impcut 2025
The one thing that will make this worse is she is Ace, so unless she is very lucky she will have a nightmare of a time with anyone.
7:08 I hope not cause I don’t want her story to be an exact copy of her father I get that she would learn what Stolas was going through but it should be something similar but not the same
Also (and I know it doesn’t mean she can’t date/fall in love) but her being asexual might mean she’d prefer a life with friends and a platonic support group over a romance.
(Before watching, just based on the title)
No, Andry will probably kill / try to kill Stolas and her first xD
7:24 kill her? I am sorry would that be too drastic? We didnt get any serious death since s2ep3 so... [[ No, Viv said she will kill off characters so... :) ]]
Stolas was suspended, not kicked out. The trial was a show trial. Any decent defense lawyer could punch serious holes in accusations. Stolases employment & place remains after. Octavia will or should assume other roles.
It's more a kangaroo court
I thing they will ask her to marry Androfilus, because than he can become a prince and do not need Stella and Octavia any more. That would be the konflikt, I think.
I think Octavia will eventually learn the truth about what Stella and andrellphis (I do not know how to spell that name) did to her father which is hired an assassin on him which is striker and that would convince Octavia that her mother and technically uncle wouldn’t have her best interests in mind and Octavia would try to expose them or reveal the truth to everyone in hell but her mother would try to stop her subtly and without fighting it is like the Tangled scene where Rapunzel learns the truth about she was taken away from her actual family and that mother Gothel was evil and not her true mother and gets chained up in the tower but it is a little different which is how the actual truth of the scandal went down and someone or something or the other main characters would free her and stop or defeat Stella and Octavia can forgive her father and hopefully patch things up with Blitzø because she would see him as a home wrecker as some speculated already but fan animatics and other things have done something like that but only time will tell
Wait a minute, how would Paimon feel if Stolas lost his status as Prince of the Ars Goetia?! Also I'm worried that Octavia would also be involved in an arranged marriage since she's almost at an age of taking over the whole Ars Goetia Family as the new Princess and possibly be forced to marry someone she might not like.😨
its not sleeping pills its anti depressants
I think that Octavia will run away when her mother pushes her into a marriage.
I think this is how she finds her way to staying with Blitzo and her father.
This will cause chaos between them; as she doesn't trust or understand her father yet. They will rebond over Stolas going out of his way to help her avoid the forced Marriage.
This will lead Paimon returning. And I think this will also be to do with Lucifer returning to Hells Politics.
I see this because of mythological ties to the ranks. Paimon is the progenitor; the first of the Ars Goetia. It is through Paimon that they owe loyalty to Lucifer; as he is stated to have Loyalty to Lucifer.
I do have a theory. I am not sure that Loona is a hellhound. She just looks like one. I wonder if she is a bastard daughter of Marchosias, marquis of the Ars Geotia. Born out of wedlock she was adopted away under the guise of a hellhound. Notice that she has a demonic form, and she can use Stolas' tome.
If Loona is a member of the Ars Geotia by birth then Stolas has done nothing wrong and technically Marchosias has to answer for the sins of the daughter who is not of age.
If Paimon did indeed have a harem, how did it operate and why none of Stolas' siblings or even his own mother attempted to fight Stella and Andrealphus for custody of Octavia?
P.S: Remember when Millie crashed Moxxie's wedding? Can that be counted as foreshadowing of Stolas decided to crash his own daughter's wedding?
If this doesn’t happen I hope the one Octavia has to marry is actually nice and not just a copy of Stella.
Part of me hopes that Paimon's love SKIPPED a generation.
Where he neglected his kids, but he'd SPOIL his granddaughter. *We did see him while watching the circus, acting like how Stolas did when he brought octavia to one*
Maybe... There is a bigger plot here...
Like maybe Andrealphus took him out or trapped him.
I don't think that Millie will get rid of the kid, if anything she might run away from IMP without saying WHY.
Just leaves a note, etc.
Stolas would come in and scold Paimon; "It's just never enough for you, is it, father? Forcing me into marriage, and now my beloved daugher??" Hopefully in front of Via so that she can understand why Stolas didn't love Stella and what they put him through.
Lots of great points here, but one I'd disagree with is about Paimon's reaction to the trial. Even though Paimon has been distant and a non-factor in Stolas's life, I think he'd be absolutely furious with Stolas and not be shy about showing his disapproval. It's a dynamic we see all too often in the real world. It's why kids who feel neglected by their parents will sometimes act out as a way to at least get some sort of attention, even if it's negative.
Paimon is a very intriguing figure in the Ars Goetia, not only does he have more legions than everybody else (200, even Asmodeus only has 72), he's attended to by kings (Lebal and Abalam), and is specifically stated to be the most loyal to Lucifer. Given that allegiance, he might not view the courtsessions as legitimate because Lucifer isn't in attendance, besides being disgusted by Satan's lies, and possibly even outspoken about them (which'd lead to Satan banning him from attendance or othervise punish him for "going against" "the law").
But to be honest, I don't even think Paimon knows Stolas has been demoted, as he was always very ignorant about his son, and maybe the rest of his kids as well (including grandkids). But when he finds out about there's likely going to be fireworks, one thing that's been consistent in the series, is fathers reacting very poorly to their children doing their own thing (Paimon, Crimson and even Blitz had shades of it in season 1).
Whether or not Paimon'll be pushing for Octavia to get married is a good question though, as any of his other sons could step forth an push the goetia's interests, or it is seen as the parent's job.