00 and 000 buckshot tests at 55 yards with four different firearms
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- Testing out the difference between 00 and 000 buckshot at 55 yards with four different shotguns with full and modified chokes. Trying to ascertain the effective range of the two sizes of buckshot at 17 1/2 inch Shoot-N-See targets. Again testing to see if this would be effective for deer, coyote, hogs, etc. The ammo is Winchester SuperX 00 buck with 9 pellets per shell, and Federal 000 buck with 8 pellets per shell. Velocity for both is 1325.
This time we used four different shotguns, the Mossberg 500 with full choke and a 28" barrel. The Stoeger Coach gun with full choke and a 20" barrel. A Remington 870 Express with a modified choke and a 28" barrel. Finally the Savage 311A double barrel with a modified choke and a 28" also. I said 26" in the video, but they are 28",
We see how many hit the intended target at the 55 yard range. We didn't do any penetration tests, but really seeing how many of the 00/000 buck pellets we could get to pattern well on the board.
The biggest thing we again learned, get out there and practice with whatever firearm and load you attend to use.
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Yah... I blew a coyotes head half off with #4 buckshot and mod choke at 50-60yds (I could see the pattern and it surprised me how tight it was)... Not quite apples to apples, but I would test your hunting shells with more open chokes and see if the pattern tightens up... Tight chokes may = more pressure = more crowding = more deformation of the lead = maybe a more inconsistent pattern (blowout of the pattern)
Glad you're a tester and thankyou for longer range buckshot testing! Just a note. Try measuring from the center of the bore to the bead on the double shotgun and then do the same on a single barrel. I think you'll find that both measure about 5/8 inch. Really shouldn't be any need to sight down the barrel of the double rather than using the bead. The pattern is only going to be 'out' 5/8 of an inch, unless the barrels are harmonized improperly.
i have 6 shotguns and they all shoot different loads differently your right about getting out and testing your gun with different loads
Always had fantastic results in my 870 using Rem. 3" 000B 18 1/2 " cylinder bore.
How good is pattern (like 30yards)?
And you use choke (i think cylinder bore don't take choke)?
When I was a police officer we were trained to hold at six o'clock and the shotgun would hit the x-ring. We trained with rifled slug for easier grading but we also used buckshot to see the spread at different distances. We used #4 for many years on the theory of greater probability of hits. We then went to triple 0 for greater knock down. Hold at six instead of center.
👍55yrds is quite a reach for any shot. I shoot shotguns (have 5) and usually stay around 25yds for shot, of course the shot will travel much further. Slug maybe 50 unless a sabo in my rifled barrel, then maybe 100yds. Been told full n extra full chokes not a good idea for 00. I sometimes shoot fosters in a modified barrel even though you should use improved cyl. My .02✌
Thanks for the tests...I (sanely) handload all of my buckshot and slugs and do similar test frequently, but seeing this factory test gives me a real good base to compare my results. Thanks again for the great video.
+Jon Lucas Handloading your buckshot and shells, well done sir!
I must add.....This video is great to teach young hunters how and why to pattern your weapon. 2 weapons of the same brand, battle length, choke and round will pattern differently. EACH WEAPON NEEDS PATTERNED SEPERATELY with various rounds.
Thank you. 25 yard.max for me. They certainly open up after 25 yards. Cheers
I don't trust buckshot, I use slugs out to 150 yards. I have a Kel-tec ksg, it has an 18.5" barrel and I can ring a 15" gong with consistency. I have it topped off with a Holosun HE506c. It works great for me, plus it has a 15 round capacity. Thanks for the video, good stuff man.
Thanks, I went to the .350 Legend in our "shotgun/pistol" State. Buckshot is for close up work.
I have a Mossberg 500 with imp cyl choke that I use with slugs and buckshot with great accuracy.
I try .680, .690, .700(full), and .705(improved modified) constriction, whenever I do my pattern testing. Always different results. According to which gun, with which load. Don't ever take someone else's testing, for your own. Besides.... It's a little painful, but very fun!!!!
Here in Alabama there used to be a lot of hunting with dogs. My brother in l aw has used a lot of buckshot over the years an says 00 and bigger buckshot is hard to get to pattern well. He swears by the no.1 buffered and plated buckshot with full choke.He usually uses the regular 16 pellet load.No.4 doesn't carry enough energy.
How long of a distance is he typically shooting from?
I have a Mossberg 500 and I think they're great shotguns. Good explanation of the way different guns shoot I've never seen that kind of video before
CRUD VADER ... I'm not sure who thinks the 500 is junk but they are full of 💩💩💩
Fun vid! It inspired me to go out and do some buckshot tests myself with my 12ga Browning 28" fixed full at 50yds. I used Rem 3" 00, Rem 23/4" single 0, Rem 3" 000, and Win 3" #1. The only one I would honestly count on at 50yds was the Win #1 buck with my gun. I feel confident with that load at 50yds, especially if I could squeeze off another round. It amazed me how bad the others did. Considering what I've seen and how many deer I've tracked for people, to most shotgunners 50yds is really "30yds", if you get my meaning. You really just don't know till you shoot your gun.
Great that you got out there and did some testing on your own firearm and different loads. You really have to check that and not "hope for the best" when using buckshot. Like you, I think I know my limitations and will pass up shots on anything outside of it, even if it means letting that big one go.
I've used buckshot for over 40 years , I use #1 buckshot or 00 buck...3" mag in Remington 1100..30" barrel with full choke......no load preference. After pattering your gun with a specific load do your job as a hunter.....no stupid shots and hunt like your bow hunting with a regular bow....use your skills to get close. You have to have your own set of rules and stick to them. Keep your shots close and what I mean by close is no further than 35-40 yards....put front bead about 4-6 inches higher than what would do with bow , rifle ,crossbow , slug etc etc. I've used slugs before as well as rifles however if your shooting a deer at 400 yards with your 300 ultramag your target shooting not hunting. Wanna know my secret....I had a grandad and dad who taught me discipline and how to properly use buckshot.....happy hunting.
Thanks for the good info there Donny!
Hey brother, that was an awesome video, I just got done putting a smooth bore slug barrel on my 870 for purpose of home defense, and then the question of what to feed itwas lurking in my mind. Lots of deer around here, it has a top quality diamond reticle scope mounted on it and shooting 5-6 inch groups at 100yds with high brass federal ammo. No need for that around here, the woods are so dense. But anyway, great video, you answered my question, thanks. Dave in Oklahoma.
This is a very honest test. Thank you.
My personal experiences are that buckshot doesn't like full chokes. Improved or cylinder keeps them closer together. It seems to me the tight chokes make flyers, which doesn't happen in a more open bore. But I never tested past 40 yards with buckshot.
nothing is more scarier than big bubba in his underwear wielding a shotgun chambered in 000 buckshot when you break into his house. xD
It's a judgment call as to " how good is good enough " . That said , with conventional buckshot fired with conventional chokes . for hunting deer with assurance of consistent results , the limit would be closer to 40yds than 55yds .
Meanwhile , did you notice that Modified is giving more center hits than Full ? Take your experements to the next logical step , and try Imp Cyl .
Mossberg kick ass yeah
I've did lots of pattern testing, and I wouldn't take a shot past 40-45 yards, with buckshot. The consistency just isn't there, at longer ranges.
With the right choke and the right load for your gun you can push that another 20-30 yards. Might have to load your own and try tons of combos to find the right one though.
If your shooting at a running target it will run into the pattern🤠💯
Great test. I did a lot of this several years ago and came to all the same conclusions you have. We need to test every load we intend to use in each shotgun we intend to use it in. There can be big differences gun to gun on how they will pattern any given load. My guns all shot larger patterns with 000 vs 00 Buck. I also noticed that 3 1/2'' mag with #4 Buck had a much larger spread than the 3'' mag with #4 Buck. Somebody else may have different results. I also found some loads are more consistent than others. Sometimes out of 5 rounds 3 would pattern tight and 2 would be in an unpredictable pattern that could be anywhere on the pattern board. Sometimes box to box made no difference and sometimes it made a huge difference in point of aim and pattern density. I found the same results with slugs. Sometimes a particular gun shot 1 type well and the next did or did not. The only slug I had consistent results with in several shotguns was the Breneke slugs which generally outshot the regular Foster type slugs
Great info Frank, thanks. Hope you put an ice bag on your shoulder when you finished up. I know mine was hurting.
@@whiterook85 Yeah, it close to that. The 3 1/2'' mags were brutal in the lightweight Mossberg 835 pump
I also suggest a nice Bourbon when your all finished up. Thanks again for the info.
whiterook85
If you can find No. 1 buck shot id like to see how that stacks up to 00 at that range, since your asking for test ideas and everything.
Great informative video ... Thanks for your time in doing so
I've been patterning buckshot all day today. 00, and #4 buck. I was at 35 yards, because I wanted to see EVERY pellet impact. I have 8 different choke sizes. I'm shooting a .730 standard bore 28" bbl Stevens 320. Here are my results... Best 00 patterns were with .700, and .705. Best #4 buck patterns were with .665, and .680. I'm thinking my .690 choke would be best for #1 buck, just judging by today's results. My best results of the day were with the Federal Flight Control, out of an improved cylinder(.720). Get out and pattern your own gun. Nobody's is the same. And, NEVER only shoot just one shot. Buckshot doesn't exactly repeat itself every time. It's unpredictable.
Hey bro I am new into the shotgun relm but not new in the rifle world but I have a question,as I see you around on alot of the same firearm comments sections and figured you knew alot about firearms. I just got a new HNR new england firearms 410 fixed full choke.. I can not find any good advise on what kind of shells to get. I know slugs isnt an option due to it having a built in full choke.. Can 00-000 buckshot work okay? Any tips? Thanks
Would like to see your tests with no choke.
My guess is the full choke would focus the spread at 10-20 yards leaving the remaining 30 yards to spread back out
(and similar with any choking)
Thanks from Texas!
I realize this was done some time ago, however, timeless knowledge! Thank you!!
Glad it was helpful!
Not ever advised to shoot buckshot through a full choke for good patterns. Unless you have a choke made for buckshot. Better to use cylinder, improved or modified for buckshot.
You dont need slug gun to use slug,youl be suprised how accurate are rifled breneke and foster slugs out to 60 yards with regular smooth bore shotgun.Also,stoping power of full caliber rifled slug is better than any rifle or sabots at close range..
Yep. Check out this video. th-cam.com/video/nNTyCcip-ks/w-d-xo.html
This is why the only shotgun I own is a .410 with a rifled barrel. Fire three inch 000 buck out of a rifled barrel, and you get a 305 grain 5-layer bullet. I get 7-10 inch groups at 50 yards all day long.
+Seth Jackson 5 layer bullet?
sorry mate tl;dr 000 buckshot is .36cal & a 410 is about .42cal so there is still a lot of space between the projectile an the rifling. but if that works for you then that's fine. i was thinking of 12gauge i didn't see the 410 but still yet, 000 is .36cal an 410 is .42 cal so you would be better off getting a winchester pdx1 that has the slug that will actually touch the rifling man and then behind the slug it has 000 buckshot best of both worlds,
Seth Jackson did i say you were lying? sure didn't. stop getting so offended. i said tl;dr meaning (too long didn't read) if that works for you then so be it. good day sir.
You never said the words, but either you think I'm lying or you're just pure shit stupid. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Why would you reply to a comment you didn't read? And why is 13 lines too long of a comment for you to read? I hate and have no respect for you. Good day.
Seth Jackson No you just assume shit like an arrogant arshole you are, i told you i thought" you were talking about a bigger bore (12ga to be exact) not a 410. you could get the same accuracy with a smooth bore full choke 410 with 000 as what get with the rifled barrel. (example; a bb gun, if the bb is close to the size of the smooth bore then its tends to be very accurate. this is the same concept, so rifling or not, it would & should be accurate to a certain extent that is. both would be the same accuracy wise, the bore isn't much bigger then the shot, leaving no room to spread out. coming out one straight behind the other. i mean velocity from a 3'' shell might be enough to cause the shot to expand/deform that much, but i know it wont with a 2 3/4'' shell wont. it isn't the same lead that its in a soft point hunting rifle round the is extremely soft (incase you thought so). but i could see where the higher velocity from a 3'' might do so. but neither of us actually know. because you would have to have a very high$$$ high speed camera to catch as soon as it leaves the wadding & before hitting the target. lead recovered after firing would be too deformed to tell. you may see the rifling marks traceable if your lucky. Just because you think that is what happens doesn't mean your 100% correct nor does it make me 100%"stupid", its your opinion & and this is mine. if you have proof then lets see it. if you cant act like an adult and have a civilised conversation then don't write back.
Only 3 minutes in and I already subscribed. Good video very inciteful and thorough. I really wish I'd found your channel sooner. Thanks a ton for sharing.
Thanks Dick, don't do too many shooting videos any longer. But hope you find something to keep you here. Take care!
5 star video
Hell of a group with the Mossberg 500 with that 00..55yards damn
i use a pattern master choke tube and federal 00 buck it improved my pattern so much i now shoot deer out to 60 yards and kill no problem federal shells out perform all other in my gun so i have stuck with them ever since
I believe that the bigger you go with buckshot the less constriction you'd want. Maybe with #4 a full choke would help within its useful range. With 000 on the other hand I'd guess the chaos of the pellets squishing down and shifting around would cause a very inconsistent pattern from shot to shot, you'd probably be better off with a cylinder bore in that instance.
000 buck is designed for open and ic as the size of the pellets all going through deforms them so the more open the choke the better
Try shooting the 000 using a skeet choke through a dirty barrel. You’ll like the results. Mine will put 10 out of 10 in a 18” square.
Good video We used the Savage model 67 pump in Vietnam my point Man carried it using military grade 00 buck, 5 man us patrol encountered 7 V.C 55 to70 yds to right flank oo Savage worked on 2 but finished off 2more fireing Ak 47 prone The PIG M-60 finished the job with 3 escaping toward L.Z 4th Inf Div. 1st PLT.10th Armored.
Very good test with buckshot. We should all shoot our guns to test their capabilities. My Mossberg 500 with 12 gauge 00 buck is deadly up to 35 yards. Shots past 50 yards spread too much I would not risk wounding a deer.
Just a comment: different chokes and different brands of ammo. Does this make sense?
Of course it does. He is not just shooting for you.🙄
Exactly, different chokes for different size buckshot is what makes the difference, #1,0,00,000,#4s
I like your video. Well thought out, very organized. I dont know what was available in 2013. I have seen Nickel plated 00 and 000 that wont deform and also some Tungsten (very hard and heavy) though (not as heavy as lead). One thing I would ask that you add....is some way to show how much penetration is left at this range. Great job !
If those rounds aren’t buffered that will make a difference. Not all she’ll manufactures buffer their buckshot rounds.
Ive shot deer and foxes with 00 buck at 50 yards. I use full choke and 28" barrel.
Short barrels are regulated due to concealability issues, not because of shot spread
they are regulated because the government is a bunch of morons. same reason silencers are regulated etc
To far for buckshot. My opinion. He is right about checking your guns though.
Tim Hallas silencers are good for
hog hunting
I find big differences between two cartridges from the same box, in the same shotgun, through the same choke. Printing a pattern once for each changed variable may put us in a position worse than those who don’t pattern.
I think Mossberg has a better reputation today! I wouldn't ever hunt deer with buckshot. Not allowed in Oklahoma anyway.
Outstanding video! The only thing I would have liked to see added was cutting one of each of the rounds open to see if the shot in the winchester ammo was less out-of-round or abnormally shaped than the shot in the federal.
try rifled slugs in smooth bore, i love them and man they are way more accurate then ud think and the range is incredible ive seen a 200 yard shot, ofcourse the guy is pretty much a pro shooter
Mossberg 935 extra full choke 3.5" Winchester 00bk shell at 60 yards 14" by 14" target 10 out 15 pellets will get it every Time if you are set on shooting buck shot that's the best set up hands down
I hunt in VA and many of our counties don't allow center fire rifles and some extend that to slugs so buckshot is the ticket or use a muzzle loader. Having extensive experience with buckshot, I can tell you that 2 pellets of 000buck in the vitals equals dead deer! The same can be said of 3 pellets of 00buck. Over all, your guns did well at 55 yards which would be considered a long range shot with a shotgun.
Thanks for the info and the damage reports. I agree on the long range, would rather have a slug gun if I had to use a shotgun. Thanks again!
I live in va and only use rifles our hunt club does not allow shotguns
I'm going to try to reload my own buckshot to see if I can get better results than from factory loads. Your videos are very informative.
Great job! Very entertaining and informative.
My coach gun is designed so that both shots should converge at 40 yards
I had a mossberg 500 12 gauge I got rid of it as i was unable to shoot it anymore with bad shoulders from the military it was the 896 shotgun made of that model my step brother has a newer model and after doing research they fixed the kick once they hit 1000 made but we did comparisons with chokes I believe it is the specific shotgun as some chokes were better on my shotgun and some did better on his I’m no expert just giving insight from what we gathered
I’d like to see some 12 ga 3 1/2 “ and 10 gauge work with buffered loads. That should tighten up patterns significantly.
That's a nice ways down. Highly doubt I will ever take aim at a guy that far. Anything inside of 30 yards is possible.
Very interesting. Thanks for the video!
If you can locate an Ithaca Turkeyslayer with Colonial chokes, you might be pleasantly surprized.
Try 1 buck plated shot. The 00 and 000 tend to get in the way of each other. 000 buck sounds good, but you need to use smaller shot. Plated shot (nickel or copper) are a whole different animal. Forget soft lead. You can use your bead (if that is all you have) to give a rough range determination. Good video, Cheers!
You may consider an improved cylinder or an open choke. The tighter chokes compress the shot and creates " flyers". This is true with steel shot not usually so much the case with lead. But hey try it. My Remington 1187 shoots a much tighter pattern with an improved cylinder vs a full or modified choke. But again, that is with steel shot, not lead. My two cents, no charge. Lol
This comment is almost a decade old, but I would like to see this same test done with No 1 buckshot. You would have twice as many pellets as the 000 buck. In particular, I personally would like to see the difference between the Federal FliteControl shell and the others in your Mosberg, Remington and long barreled savage double barrel. I think that with the three guns I mentioned while bringing down a deer, would also ruin a lot of meat at 55 yards, and like you would try to position myself to be about 10 yards closer at maximum shot range. I think it may be possible to extend out to 55 yards with the Federal ammo. I can not do it myself, but would be interested in the results. I think both pattern videos were very good, thanks for making them.
Definitely should have tested the turkey choke before taking it off
If possible, should've used the same brand. Different brands do make a difference. When shooting my slug gun, I tried Winchester & federal. Both are good but the Winchester just seemed better to me.
I think some #1 buck would be interesting. Still heavy enough to give decent penetration but a lot higher pellet count. Likely no crush factor from the choke either. I think the 000 might have fared better cylinder bore or improved cylinder at maximum. Have to remember that 000 moving at 1400 fps is each one pretty potent.
+Robert kubrick Think that one may be coming up in the future. 16 pellets is a good number, and like you said still heavy enough to do enough critical damage. Thanks for watching.
Great video! I enjoyed it and I thought the 000 would have been better now I know 00 is the way to go.
Pattern your gun....barrel length, choke/bore, lead vrs steel, velocity, shot size, brand name, load size (ounces)......ALL MAKES A DIFFERENCE. Find it and stick with it to now learn the weapons capabilities.
One shot drop & kill is always preferred....patience is a must.
all I use now is federal premium 3 in 12 pellets 00 good out to 50 yd with flitecontrol wad
Mike John same
I shoot 40 yards out of my 870 with full choke that is max for me cool video
The Federal Flight Control buckshot is great stuff, for tight patterns. Only use cylinder bore with it. Any type of choke on this wad, will defeat the design of it, and not yield very good results. I'm editing this post, because for some reason, I was getting slightly better patterns with an improved cylinder choke today(.720). Go figure...
Seems like 00 buckshot patterns better than 000 buckshot. I'm going to try the full choke in my 870 12 gauge
The conclusion is Buckshot is not for big game hunting. Or at least not at that distance.
It's very good at close range. I would avoid shooting deer further than 45 yards with buckshot.
To me buckshot is about a 40 yard opposition
Flight control loads will fix the patterns..
I shoot a 500 I think the really tight chokes crush and flatten pellets.
You are a good man great job on the video and information 👏
I appreciate that!
I know this is a year old, but thanks for a well done and laid back video. I would love to have an iced tea with you someday!
+Gs Wovoka Thanks for watching, and that ice tea sounds good!
Never use a full choke with buckshot. It deforms the shot and spreads it out.
Improved cylinder seems to do the best.
I’m a fan of federal flight control 9 pellet
Buckshot has no more recoil than birdshot if the weight and all other factors are kept equal. If anything, I'd expect the denser group of smaller shot to kick harder, due to greater pressure resistance.
Excellent video I would like to see you try a longer barrel shotgun such as a 30 fixed choke 32 fix choke in a full choke I shoot a lot of shotguns at matches and a big difference and pattern from 2628 to 30 and 32 inch barrel
Thank you, very informative.
If you don't reload, try Remington nitro express magnums. Puts Federal to shame, in my experience.
Someone said Mossberg was a junk gun? I can't attest to that with deer hunting, but it is a splendid bird gun, not to mention it will deliver hell on earth to anyone entering my home uninvited.
Just someones opinion, sometimes you just can't afford top shelf firearms. But like whiskey, if it's top shelf or bottom shelf, it still gets the job done.
@@whiterook85 indeed, I've owned everything from a Weatherby to a Marlin in rifles and had a couple of Remington's and Mossbergs in shotguns and various name and off brand handguns and never had a problem with any. Used an AMT Longslide .45 in a contest with my gunsmith instructor who chose a Special Edition S&W .38, don't remember the exact barrel length, ( it was at least 8 inches) we were firing from a bench rest @ 50 feet and I gave him a run for his money with that cheap .45. I had purchased it from him that very day after class and had never fired it
This is why i like No. 1's. they are 7.62 mm shot and there are 24 pellets in a 3in shell. Can kill hogs with em all day long, so you know they are good enough for deer. only problem is they are hard to find.
I only use buckshot in the thicket where shots are under 40yrds pattern is not the only issue velocity ,energy and terminal Ballistics fall fast with extremely low BC value why buckshot is illegal in some states if shots are past that range best use a rifle barrel shotgun and slug or a 30-30 on up
Aiming a double barrel by sighting over the barrel rather than down the rib with the bead is a huge mistake. The difference between the the two sight pictures is negligible, EXCEPT that you have no reference points if you try to aim over a barrel l with no sights on it..
Good breakdown
Nice test! Very informative sir!
When you get to deer hunting ranges of 30 yards or more the full chokes do seem to do better. I've been patterning an Auto-5 with a full choke and found it to shoot real tight but not always where I aim. Since I am using a tripod rest and only shooting at 30 yards I feel this is a shell problem.
Those patterns for both shot size look good in the event of "Two Leg Troubles"; May want to keep the 000 for "Cabin Duty" ?
Professional testing good job
open choke using flight control buck shot would have put most if not all your pellets in the black of the target with maybe just a few fliers just outside it in the white at that range and as far as the 00 buck vs 000 goes 00 buck tends to pattern slightly better than 000 buck in 12 gauge hence why 00 buck is so popular with military, law enforcement, and civilian self defense. 000 and 0000 tend to pattern better out of the slightly larger 10 gauge shot gun.
Prove it.
What about home defense distance? Like 10-15 yards? I think I might prefer a slightly larger spread at that distance
Yes you are right at that yardage, Open or Improved cylinder is what you would want.
I would say 00 or smaller. The slug will go through too many walls.
Top video .thanks
Moss burgers one of my favorites shotguns especially Mossberg 500!! Who cares what anybody else thinks... 💯🤔💡🙄🤗😂🤣
Great video.
Based on that test, if I hunt with a shotgun, I'll use slugs. Actually in areas where center fires are prohibited, I'll use my muzzleloader or my pistol
To me buckshot is for self defense, especially in the home. It is also interesting to note that the little double barrel coach gun didn't spread out all that much like people think it would. I think that is the reason for the laws governing barrel lengths, because of the myth that they scatter so much. Slugs are for hunting medium to big game and then within reasonable ranges, buckshot and slugs for self defense.
technically any type of shot would work for home defense, you could load up steel birdshot and do just as much damage when your firing at someone in close quarters.....
I agree. 00 Buck for defense and slugs for the medium/big game.... But #4 buck works very well on a moving coyote within 50 yards or so. The guys I talked to here (Utah) dig #4 for close up moving yotes compared to slugs or a rifle.
+eugene bell Did you hear the "little double barrel coach gun" as you call it has indeed a full choke?I think you assumed it had a cylinder bore and... not!