@@eclaire_x88x he's a national treasure. Watch his interview on Jonathan Ross he has a naughty but cracking sense of humour. I watched Ian Beattie (Meryn Trant) on Thronescast talking about the show and how he doesn't wanna know the storylines of other characters and he said Charles Dance came off set still in the clothes of his death scene and said to Ian " well the little bastard finally killed me" 🤣🤣 what a way to get a spoiler 🤣🤣🤣
For those of you wondering what that star is behind him and in-front of him, it is the Burma Star. It's a campaign medal for those who served there. The green flags belong to the Burma Star Association, so the crowd he is speaking to are veterans of WW2 who served in Burma.
Yes! The association tried to prevent the import of Japanese cars to the UK after the war due to the war crimes that had been committed by the Japanese in WWII.
@@histman3133 They bayoneted Indians. Indians were 80 percent of the invading British troops in Malaysia, Singapore and Burma. There are photos of Sikhs being shot blindfolded by Japanese troops in captivity.
@@NapolyonKiKo Yes. Nobody remembers Indians. We lost people. But Indian government ignores them because they fought under British command. Think about their sacrifices never being commended at all.
and it gives me Burmese goosebumps my great grandfather worked as an informant for the British during ww2 walking hundreds of miles to get the information where it needed to go.
Just a great scene, I can't stop watching it. It's cool that the director contrived to make the light over his left shoulder look like a rising sun when he recites the line "And the dawn comes up like thunder."
@@LordTalax Those Royal Navy dress uniforms only have 1 epaulette on the right for some reason... I sort of like the asymmetry, especially when it has an aiguillette.
Lord Mountbatten inspired the brave men of the 14th army to fight in Burma as soon as Mountbatten appeared in his pearly white naval uniform morale among the men was instantly raised. It’s quite sad that the men who fought in Burma are so forgotten the Japanese suffered one of their worst defeats at Kohima and Imphal. And an entire Japanese army was destroyed in Burma.
@@andmos1001 Yes, you really have to search the history out; I learnt, via the National Army Museum, that over 70,000 volunteers from the West African colonies fought in Burma and terrified the Japanese!
Remember that Lord Mountbatten was Supreme Allied Commander in Southeast Asia in WWII and led the Allied campaign in Burma. These are veterans of that campaign.
my dad was managing the groundworks for the M4 when he met mountbatten on top of a hill, he said he sat there with him for about 45 minutes discussing how they were building the road, said he was a very nice man.
I've read that Mountbatten was the kind of person who knew a little something about everything, plus he had the Royal way of polite interest in everyone they meet (no matter how boring their job may be) so he was probably very pleasant to meet & talk with. However, as a person Mountbatten was also vain, always convinced he knew better, chased after fame & fortune and gave Prince Charles some of the worst marital advice on record: "sow your oats first and then find a sweet simple girl to marry" (well, maybe that last one is Charles' fault for trying to follow the advice) 😁
I really wish that Netflix would "go down this road" when making historical films/documentaries/series. You just need a good research team, well respected historians, some well known actors/actresses (to draw in the crowd) and some actors/actresses that are dedicated to learn and voilà.
This moment alone, single handedly, brings out the best in Dance. Evoking wisdom, affluence, and passion, all in one gracefully orchestrated scene. Brings chills every time I hear this.
Very moving portrayal by Charles Dance. Perfectly captures the bittersweet nostalgia, laced with both fading hope and stoic melancholy, of Lord Mountbatten - himself as an apt embodiment of the age and paradigm from whence he came. A fading imperial grandeur, a changing world; the final decades of British Imperial power, rendered relic in an alien world. The penultimate, defiant roars of the Lion of Empire, amid the howling of socialist wolves. Mountbatten's words, resonating generations of British Imperials before him; even by then, themselves, a fading memory of a bygone age. Men like Mountbatten witnessed and indeed lived through the shifting paradigms, in all their wild extremes. It was their burden to endure the downfall with dignity, in spite of being among the closest in time, to the era in which British Imperial power peaked to it's zenith. Regardless of the contentions, understanding the moral complexities at all times, it is still melancholy. For although we may criticise the giants upon whose shoulders we stand, we may not do so seriously or fairly, without maintaining respect for them on at least some levels. Mountbatten's lament for a declining Empire, is more than a lament for the physical and material loss itself - it is an imperial lament for his entire world.
Britain between 1945 and 1979 (the "socialist wolves") was far better for the average person compared to the cold civil war of Thatcherism that followed. Regarding your general point and the lament about the Empire's death, it was killed by nationalism, and this happened not only in Britain, but also in France, with equally bloody and inevitable results (Vietnam and Algeria).
@@giannb5145 Socialism had undermined Imperialism since the First World War. The German Imperials, arrogantly, even literally weaponised socialism in the form of sending Lenin back into Tsarist Russia, knowing the damage he could cause (and the fact German Imperials in the German Imperial Army debated on whether this was a risky gamble as it might backfire on Germany if the movement spread West, says a lot) Socialism obviously predates Leninism, as a broader umbrella category arguably long preceding WWI for a century in proto-forms. However, your assertion that nationalism killed imperialism is plainly incorrect. Imperialism survived into the early part of the second half of the 20th century, in some forms, and technically up until the end of the late 20th century in a more paltry manner. Your error is to suppose that all nationalism was anti-imperial and my disliking for later forms of socialism (post early-mid 19th century) was exacting to the point of ignoring major social reforms built on some form of socialism in the 20th century. For instance, the sacred (cash)cow that is the NHS. That was born of the 20th century and rightly so. In it's origins, it was more than justified. Just look at the average heights of British soldiers in WWI, to see the problems with nutrition, and the tawdry state of affairs in terms of the lack of welfare coverage in many aspects of life in the Victorian era for example. It is not so much a lament for imperialism. It is about the better aspects of that. I'm not interested in debating the pros and cons of empire right now, I'm just saying that obviously it was what it was in it's time, and it is common for revisionists such as yourself to try and gloss over imperial history and tar it with the same brush, and to say that 'nationalism killed imperialism'. Well, no. It is far too simplified and you know it, but it doesn't suit your narrative so you push that on me anyway and insult my intelligence as if it's not paper thin obvious why you're doing it. Because you don't like my comment and you're here to argue. And fine, I don't particularly care, but let's just say this determination to defend socialism, the vague, nebulous thing that it is, is needless. Hint: a lot of socialism is a good thing. Might surprise you to say that considering you obviously didn't bother to read the comment properly and assumed me to be solely in defence of imperialism with zero context. Obviously some socialism did good things for society. When I say socialism undermined Empire, I am allowed to say that completely dispassionately, you know? You seem to assume that there is no criticism of Empire from me. Of course Imperialism had glaring moral and financial problems. Logistically, it wasn't easy and fiscally it was arguably running at a loss by the 20th century. The world was changing. Every system of governance has it's day. And changing geographical situations meant that the world itself had become a more competitive place and one which could not so easily be managed. Yet imagine the world without the Industrial Revolution. One of the many reasons for why Britain lost primacy, was because of other major powers, such as the United States, slowly eclipsing British power. In a scenario where Britain more jealously guarded her secrets and technology, rather than exporting it and establishing it and outright making public boasts about it, on the world stage, then perhaps Britain could have kept an active scientific and technological lead. Once the cat was out of the bag, it wasn't going back in. Hindsight is easy, though. The British Imperials were colonialists and technologists, yet for a long time, ironically, also Christian believers and patriots. There wasn't socialism as much as there was patriotism. Socialism took a long time to find it's feet. Arguably, voters rights movements in Manchester and other Northern towns, represent some major advances on the social development landscape of Britain, as it were. Manchester in 1830 still didn't have an MP. That, even after the Peterloo Massacre of 1819. If you think for one moment I don't know the many problems with British Imperialism and all Imperialism, well, you'd be very wrong. The system was obviously not fair to the English working classes very pointedly, and there had been a terrible ordeal to simply get political representation. The Thirteen Colonies had sent delegations to British Parliament prior to the outbreak of war during the American War of Independence. They wanted representation, with seats in Parliament, in London. They were unwisely denied. This exacerbated an already fraught situation. I am not unthinkingly pro-Imperialism. Far from it. It is fair though to acknowledge that socialism was ultimately the nemesis of imperialism. As social reforms chipped away at imperial hegemony and the very nature of international geopolitics paradigm shifted massively after the harrowing world wars, there had to be a reckoning for imperialism. It was obvious. How could women, now able to vote, be told they could not remain in various work sectors they had been working in while the healthiest and halest men were signing up to go to war, after it ended? Well, sadly for many women, that still happened to them after the First World War. Yet after WWII, things had really started to turn against this attitude that the imperial society could just shut women out of male dominated work spaces. Sure, many male dominated lines of work such as construction and engineering are still that way, in spite of many more women being able to work in those fields. In some walks of life, it is not due to some mythical glass ceiling as far why women aren't flocking to it. Some lines of work just aren't known for being commonplace roles. For instance, binmen. Are there a lot of female bin truck drivers and workers? I somehow doubt it, even in 2022. It's not as if they are not allowed to work in that job, and there will be some female bin lorry drivers. But still. Everyone knows it's mostly going to be men in those jobs. Same with the military, same with bricklayers, same with heavy engineers and security guards. It's just how it goes. Socialist reforms had allowed that to even happen in the first place, though; and we're not talking Communism or anything like that. Just a form of English Libertarian proto-socialism that had been around for a very long time in all fairness, long before the 20th century and perhaps long before the 19th century. A really old sense of English justice and fairness. A lot of which, ironically made more directed and efforted, by religion. For instance, the social reformers of the British Abolitionists against slavery, were rightly fighting against slavery, in the 18th century. To a man, they'd have been god fearing Christians. Does this mean their movement was a Christian aka religious one? Well, no, but it does show that the Abolitionists were not really socialists but more or less idealist libertarian Christians, not theocratic as such, but driven by moralism and ethical values. Values, considered, 'Christian values'. Doesn't mean they weren't self-righteous in other ways, such as in how Christian Imperials from the West, such as the UK, were outright of the opinion that they had to introduce civilisation to 'barbaric places' and to bring the 'light of Christianity' to such lands as they regarded. Does it mean that Imperialism lost instantly to Socialism? No. Imperialism was slain more by an admixture of socialism and corporatism. Where you credit public nationalism, for the death of Imperialism, you entirely overlook the role of private corporatism. Private enterprise (as in, pre-20th century) had always been at the mercantile heart of the British Empire. Maritime trade, mercantilism, the gold standard, the free trade doctrine, the trade lanes, the entrepreneurial investors in London bidding on imports in the Age of Sail. The exploiters and empire builders. The tax burdens and revenues. The levied added taxation and the political corruption. The oligarchic politicians and aristocrats. It all went hand in hand, in Britain, long before what we might call, 20th century mass market, internationalism and corporatism, in the 'boom years' of Americana in the Cold War. It had been realised during the tumult of the earlier half of the 20th century, how important manufacturing was in a modern war, and the economic muscle and logistical means of modern nations, were harshly observed. No longer could an Empire casually hold sway over continental land masses without a much more serious investment. The role of technology cannot be ignored in that, as I pointed out earlier. If any old randomers can be milling around with machine guns and heavy weapons, what then happens to the idea of cheaply maintained colonies? What then comes of the idea of armies operating as enforcers from the state for the empire? Clearly it starts to get more risky, especially if it is a big empire; risky, expensive, highly strung. Socialism could easily and cynically destroy Imperialism. Nationalism is not the bane of Imperialism. A hybrid of Socialism and Corporatism, as well as Materialism and Individualism, clearly become more important. The Nationalism destroying Imperialism concept is far too simplistic. In Britain there was a lot of nationalisation post-WWII but then what happened? By Thatcher's day it was privatisation which reshaped British society. And that is rightfully controversial change to the UK that is still argued over.
I love the look Lord Yohn Royce gives his companions at either side when Tywin is done with his speech, its like: "Yeah, we should definitely pick this guy to stage a coup".
I was very moved to see this part. This is mostly touching part. He is the real representative of Britain and the spirit of the British. He is a real man and officer. Salute him!
Just an absolutely fantastic scene. Season 3 does such a great job making you like Harold Wilson (his telling Elizabeth about how he doesn’t really like smoking his pipe is another incredible scene), and yet the power and majesty of Mountbatten (so well-conveyed by hiring the always excellent Charles Dance) makes you like, ‘I kind of support the coup.’
I think this has to be the number one top scene of season 3 easily the best season by far Charles Dance actually done this speech for real too - absolutely smashed it here did you see when he stopped .. I was like he really means that stuff so deep
@Alex Jones My grandfather and my great uncle fought for King and Country in the Mediterranean and Europe. Earning the equivalent to the Burma Star: the Italy Star and France and Germany Star as a tank gunner. How proud it is to have these heroes in my family. 🇬🇧.
I’m going to look up this Road to Mandalay thing, as I currently don’t know what it’s all about. That being said, this American feels like a proud member of the British Empire right now. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
If you listen carefully at 00:04 you'll hear the first 4 notes of the Rains of Castamere as a fanfare for the underscore in this scene. I think it is too close to be a coincidence.
This scene gave me goosebumps when I watched it. I did have to have a huge chuckle over the irony though of Tywin Lannister playing Edmure Tully's uncle :D
TMPanos96 he’s apparently not a very nice man. I’ve heard lots of anecdotes over the years about him being particularly horrible to women. Lots of people I know were surprised nothing came out about him during the #metoo moment. Now of course these are just rumours and I have no evidence personally. But have a little look at his acting career over the years - one of his first movies back in the 80s was Plenty where he starred alongside Meryl Streep but then his career never really took off after that. He wasn’t really well known for another 30 years until Game of thrones. One story I heard was between him and Meryl Streep (who everyone agrees is the nicest woman in Hollywood) - she HATED him....
My favourite scene in The Crown season 3. It definitely resonated with me as I lived in China for a few years and travelled a few weeks in Burma, it was my favourite country in southeast Asia.
The Burma Star, worn so proudly by men who served, men who I worked with in my youth, men who I drank in pubs with. Hard men, incredibly hard men, Chindits under Wingate. XV Corps, Operation Talon, Hill 170. Like Kipling, men who spoke of hardships, and of beauty. Most sleep soundly now. RIP.
He was not good, read comments above, he forcered Prince Charles to an awful school and worse he forced him to marry Diana. And he was untrue to his wife!
He didn't even know Diana. His wife cheated on him first and abused him psychologically. Yet he loved her and remained married to her. Of course if she would neglect him he had to find a partner of his own.
Not a fan of Mountbatten, but this scene was so incredible, it prompted me to watch The Crown. Charles Dance is magnificent! The poem too - makes me nostalgic for a place I haven't even been to.
I really recommend walking up Mandalay Hill. It was scene to a fierce battle during WW2, which this commemorates, but it also one of the most serene places I've ever been. I walked up to the top talking to a Buddhist monk, with amazing sunset views at the top over Mandalay.
It is an ode, means a poem that is sung. The Road to Mandalay is a song by Oley Speaks and the text written by Rudyard Kipling. It remains me of a sad ode for a disappearing heroic age and a crumbling Empire.
@@ChildOfTheWilderness Indeed, the hero myths of Empire are just self justification to sooth their conscience and pretend they earned their wealth instead of seizing it from the vulnerable.
This scene is so British that turned my coffee in tea
hahahahahahahaha
This scene is so British, it turned my cookies into biscuits.
This scene is so British it made Zimbabwe Rhodesia again
This scene is so British, it made Hong Kong return to Her Majesty's fold.
This scene is so british, it tried to take my kitchen knife.
One of the best things about Game of Thrones is its helped show everyone what a brilliant actor Charles Dance is and has gotten him loads of work.
I think a lot of people have known for a good many years what a brilliant actor he is. Hence why he was cast in GOT.
I did not know him before got tbh
@@eclaire_x88x I don't understand why he hasn't won an oscar before now every part he plays he knocks it out the park
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88 true hes one of our greats
@@eclaire_x88x he's a national treasure. Watch his interview on Jonathan Ross he has a naughty but cracking sense of humour. I watched Ian Beattie (Meryn Trant) on Thronescast talking about the show and how he doesn't wanna know the storylines of other characters and he said Charles Dance came off set still in the clothes of his death scene and said to Ian " well the little bastard finally killed me" 🤣🤣 what a way to get a spoiler 🤣🤣🤣
Charles Dance, ladies and gentlemen - a true master of show-stealin’
I really wanted (still do) him to play philip in the 5th and 6th seasons
tyler trotter me too
Charles Dance is so commanding that he sticks in your head as a leader.
You know, I thought Helena Bonham-Carter was the the scene-stealer in this season...
...then, suddenly, Charles Dance.
His “Who Do You Think You Are?” episode is fascinating. His father was a Boer War veteran!
"Lord Mountbatten was every inch the king, yet he wore no crown."
-Sir Varys
yo he was a rapist tho
S.J. Duarte amazing quote!!
@@caj-plays5419 evidence?
@J B I was asking for evidence why the hell are you insulting and throwing a whole essay in my face?
@@caj-plays5419 Exactly like a king
This is one of the greatest scenes I've ever seen in television.
Me too
The soundtrack and editing is wonderful.
Oh please!
You just always have to rewind ⏪
Certainly it is.
For those of you wondering what that star is behind him and in-front of him, it is the Burma Star. It's a campaign medal for those who served there. The green flags belong to the Burma Star Association, so the crowd he is speaking to are veterans of WW2 who served in Burma.
Yes! The association tried to prevent the import of Japanese cars to the UK after the war due to the war crimes that had been committed by the Japanese in WWII.
@@twjclarke1 buy the cars from those who bayoneted your countrymen in Singapore and Malaya? Fuck that! Good on Mountbatten for doing so.
@@histman3133 They bayoneted Indians. Indians were 80 percent of the invading British troops in Malaysia, Singapore and Burma. There are photos of Sikhs being shot blindfolded by Japanese troops in captivity.
@@NoobMaster-or2jf So you can disregard the 20 precent very easily, can you read the names every one of them?
@@NapolyonKiKo Yes. Nobody remembers Indians. We lost people. But Indian government ignores them because they fought under British command. Think about their sacrifices never being commended at all.
Absolutely amazing recitation!!! gave me British goosebumps!
Same
God!!
and it gives me Burmese goosebumps my great grandfather worked as an informant for the British during ww2 walking hundreds of miles to get the information where it needed to go.
@@thekingminn Thank you for his service and loyalty
Lord Mountbatten should sing rains of castamere
"George V sends his regards"
Lord mountbatten should be blown up by the IRA... Oh wait...
Except he is dead
-Jerry Adams- Martin McGuinness sends his regards
and who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low
It's that every single person in this scene is fantastic, especially Charles Dance as Mountbatten.
True.
Just a great scene, I can't stop watching it. It's cool that the director contrived to make the light over his left shoulder look like a rising sun when he recites the line "And the dawn comes up like thunder."
Ufff
Must say that uniform works with Charles Dance.
Chicken guts.
Wouldn't say he's defying anything though
Definitely not defiantly
He forgot an epaulet somewhere.
@@LordTalax Those Royal Navy dress uniforms only have 1 epaulette on the right for some reason... I sort of like the asymmetry, especially when it has an aiguillette.
This scene made me want to colonize myself
Wtf 🙄🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This guy was the first head of state of independent India, ironically
lol feel tat ahaha
Hahahahahaha
STFU or I’ll colonize you myself!
"A lion don't concern himself with the opinions of sheep"
Mountbatten was a great man, regardless with how one feels about him personally, he was never mediocre.
The sheep in lion's clothing
*doesn't
@@fds7476 "You gonna say something clever. Go on, say something clever".
Lord Mountbatten inspired the brave men of the 14th army to fight in Burma as soon as Mountbatten appeared in his pearly white naval uniform morale among the men was instantly raised. It’s quite sad that the men who fought in Burma are so forgotten the Japanese suffered one of their worst defeats at Kohima and Imphal. And an entire Japanese army was destroyed in Burma.
Marksman29 it’s called the forgotten war because it’s is sadly forgotten by history
Slim did it. Slim, and no other man.
@@andmos1001 Yes, you really have to search the history out; I learnt, via the National Army Museum, that over 70,000 volunteers from the West African colonies fought in Burma and terrified the Japanese!
@@Happyheretic2308 well said
Kohima and Imphal are in India
This scene gave me chills. He makes a great Mountbatten!
Mountbatten was supreme allied commander in South East Asia against a tenacious enemy were many British, Australian troops never made home .
Remember that Lord Mountbatten was Supreme Allied Commander in Southeast Asia in WWII and led the Allied campaign in Burma. These are veterans of that campaign.
My Dad was in Burma for four years.
Para ello tuvieron que ascender su graduación al rango de Almirante.Poco antes había comandado el destructor HMS Kelly, que se hundió en Creta.
I can't even explain why, but I specifically love the way he says "China" lol
This is known as the Trump affect. cHInA
Chaii Na
Wasn't Trump's version a lot funnier? Like "GINA?"
Okay I'm getting a bit out of hand in my thoughts on that. I deeply apologize. 🤣
He says it like he wanted Britain to invade it. Wait a second... Do I smell opium?
me too! it's like he says it with such conviction. really makes the poem.
And after serving as Master of Ships for Queen Elisabeth II, he was appointed Hand of the King for Joffrey ...
:D
He was hand of the king since Aerys Targaryen days actually
Hands of the Prince of Wales
Joffrey Baratheon, First Of His Name.
Give him his proper title.
And so he spoke, and so he spoke...
The Lord of Mountbatten...
The Lord of Castamere, But now the rains weep o'er his hall, And not a soul to hear.
The chord change at 0:33 is one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard.
I like your aesthetic sense.
my dad was managing the groundworks for the M4 when he met mountbatten on top of a hill, he said he sat there with him for about 45 minutes discussing how they were building the road, said he was a very nice man.
I've read that Mountbatten was the kind of person who knew a little something about everything, plus he had the Royal way of polite interest in everyone they meet (no matter how boring their job may be) so he was probably very pleasant to meet & talk with. However, as a person Mountbatten was also vain, always convinced he knew better, chased after fame & fortune and gave Prince Charles some of the worst marital advice on record: "sow your oats first and then find a sweet simple girl to marry" (well, maybe that last one is Charles' fault for trying to follow the advice) 😁
Well if your dad said he was nice then it must be true
A beautifully British scene, the performance, shooting angles and soundtrack is just amazing
I really wish that Netflix would "go down this road" when making historical films/documentaries/series. You just need a good research team, well respected historians, some well known actors/actresses (to draw in the crowd) and some actors/actresses that are dedicated to learn and voilà.
I felt like standing up in my living room.
I literally applauded as I rewind ⏪
Why didn’t you I did but I’m British
This moment alone, single handedly, brings out the best in Dance. Evoking wisdom, affluence, and passion, all in one gracefully orchestrated scene. Brings chills every time I hear this.
Very moving portrayal by Charles Dance. Perfectly captures the bittersweet nostalgia, laced with both fading hope and stoic melancholy, of Lord Mountbatten - himself as an apt embodiment of the age and paradigm from whence he came. A fading imperial grandeur, a changing world; the final decades of British Imperial power, rendered relic in an alien world.
The penultimate, defiant roars of the Lion of Empire, amid the howling of socialist wolves. Mountbatten's words, resonating generations of British Imperials before him; even by then, themselves, a fading memory of a bygone age.
Men like Mountbatten witnessed and indeed lived through the shifting paradigms, in all their wild extremes. It was their burden to endure the downfall with dignity, in spite of being among the closest in time, to the era in which British Imperial power peaked to it's zenith.
Regardless of the contentions, understanding the moral complexities at all times, it is still melancholy. For although we may criticise the giants upon whose shoulders we stand, we may not do so seriously or fairly, without maintaining respect for them on at least some levels. Mountbatten's lament for a declining Empire, is more than a lament for the physical and material loss itself - it is an imperial lament for his entire world.
Britain between 1945 and 1979 (the "socialist wolves") was far better for the average person compared to the cold civil war of Thatcherism that followed. Regarding your general point and the lament about the Empire's death, it was killed by nationalism, and this happened not only in Britain, but also in France, with equally bloody and inevitable results (Vietnam and Algeria).
@@giannb5145 Socialism had undermined Imperialism since the First World War. The German Imperials, arrogantly, even literally weaponised socialism in the form of sending Lenin back into Tsarist Russia, knowing the damage he could cause (and the fact German Imperials in the German Imperial Army debated on whether this was a risky gamble as it might backfire on Germany if the movement spread West, says a lot)
Socialism obviously predates Leninism, as a broader umbrella category arguably long preceding WWI for a century in proto-forms. However, your assertion that nationalism killed imperialism is plainly incorrect. Imperialism survived into the early part of the second half of the 20th century, in some forms, and technically up until the end of the late 20th century in a more paltry manner.
Your error is to suppose that all nationalism was anti-imperial and my disliking for later forms of socialism (post early-mid 19th century) was exacting to the point of ignoring major social reforms built on some form of socialism in the 20th century. For instance, the sacred (cash)cow that is the NHS. That was born of the 20th century and rightly so. In it's origins, it was more than justified. Just look at the average heights of British soldiers in WWI, to see the problems with nutrition, and the tawdry state of affairs in terms of the lack of welfare coverage in many aspects of life in the Victorian era for example.
It is not so much a lament for imperialism. It is about the better aspects of that. I'm not interested in debating the pros and cons of empire right now, I'm just saying that obviously it was what it was in it's time, and it is common for revisionists such as yourself to try and gloss over imperial history and tar it with the same brush, and to say that 'nationalism killed imperialism'. Well, no. It is far too simplified and you know it, but it doesn't suit your narrative so you push that on me anyway and insult my intelligence as if it's not paper thin obvious why you're doing it. Because you don't like my comment and you're here to argue.
And fine, I don't particularly care, but let's just say this determination to defend socialism, the vague, nebulous thing that it is, is needless. Hint: a lot of socialism is a good thing. Might surprise you to say that considering you obviously didn't bother to read the comment properly and assumed me to be solely in defence of imperialism with zero context. Obviously some socialism did good things for society.
When I say socialism undermined Empire, I am allowed to say that completely dispassionately, you know? You seem to assume that there is no criticism of Empire from me. Of course Imperialism had glaring moral and financial problems. Logistically, it wasn't easy and fiscally it was arguably running at a loss by the 20th century. The world was changing. Every system of governance has it's day. And changing geographical situations meant that the world itself had become a more competitive place and one which could not so easily be managed.
Yet imagine the world without the Industrial Revolution. One of the many reasons for why Britain lost primacy, was because of other major powers, such as the United States, slowly eclipsing British power.
In a scenario where Britain more jealously guarded her secrets and technology, rather than exporting it and establishing it and outright making public boasts about it, on the world stage, then perhaps Britain could have kept an active scientific and technological lead. Once the cat was out of the bag, it wasn't going back in. Hindsight is easy, though. The British Imperials were colonialists and technologists, yet for a long time, ironically, also Christian believers and patriots. There wasn't socialism as much as there was patriotism.
Socialism took a long time to find it's feet. Arguably, voters rights movements in Manchester and other Northern towns, represent some major advances on the social development landscape of Britain, as it were. Manchester in 1830 still didn't have an MP. That, even after the Peterloo Massacre of 1819.
If you think for one moment I don't know the many problems with British Imperialism and all Imperialism, well, you'd be very wrong. The system was obviously not fair to the English working classes very pointedly, and there had been a terrible ordeal to simply get political representation. The Thirteen Colonies had sent delegations to British Parliament prior to the outbreak of war during the American War of Independence. They wanted representation, with seats in Parliament, in London. They were unwisely denied. This exacerbated an already fraught situation.
I am not unthinkingly pro-Imperialism. Far from it. It is fair though to acknowledge that socialism was ultimately the nemesis of imperialism. As social reforms chipped away at imperial hegemony and the very nature of international geopolitics paradigm shifted massively after the harrowing world wars, there had to be a reckoning for imperialism. It was obvious.
How could women, now able to vote, be told they could not remain in various work sectors they had been working in while the healthiest and halest men were signing up to go to war, after it ended? Well, sadly for many women, that still happened to them after the First World War.
Yet after WWII, things had really started to turn against this attitude that the imperial society could just shut women out of male dominated work spaces. Sure, many male dominated lines of work such as construction and engineering are still that way, in spite of many more women being able to work in those fields. In some walks of life, it is not due to some mythical glass ceiling as far why women aren't flocking to it. Some lines of work just aren't known for being commonplace roles.
For instance, binmen. Are there a lot of female bin truck drivers and workers? I somehow doubt it, even in 2022. It's not as if they are not allowed to work in that job, and there will be some female bin lorry drivers. But still. Everyone knows it's mostly going to be men in those jobs. Same with the military, same with bricklayers, same with heavy engineers and security guards. It's just how it goes.
Socialist reforms had allowed that to even happen in the first place, though; and we're not talking Communism or anything like that. Just a form of English Libertarian proto-socialism that had been around for a very long time in all fairness, long before the 20th century and perhaps long before the 19th century. A really old sense of English justice and fairness. A lot of which, ironically made more directed and efforted, by religion.
For instance, the social reformers of the British Abolitionists against slavery, were rightly fighting against slavery, in the 18th century. To a man, they'd have been god fearing Christians. Does this mean their movement was a Christian aka religious one? Well, no, but it does show that the Abolitionists were not really socialists but more or less idealist libertarian Christians, not theocratic as such, but driven by moralism and ethical values. Values, considered, 'Christian values'. Doesn't mean they weren't self-righteous in other ways, such as in how Christian Imperials from the West, such as the UK, were outright of the opinion that they had to introduce civilisation to 'barbaric places' and to bring the 'light of Christianity' to such lands as they regarded.
Does it mean that Imperialism lost instantly to Socialism? No. Imperialism was slain more by an admixture of socialism and corporatism. Where you credit public nationalism, for the death of Imperialism, you entirely overlook the role of private corporatism. Private enterprise (as in, pre-20th century) had always been at the mercantile heart of the British Empire. Maritime trade, mercantilism, the gold standard, the free trade doctrine, the trade lanes, the entrepreneurial investors in London bidding on imports in the Age of Sail. The exploiters and empire builders.
The tax burdens and revenues. The levied added taxation and the political corruption. The oligarchic politicians and aristocrats. It all went hand in hand, in Britain, long before what we might call, 20th century mass market, internationalism and corporatism, in the 'boom years' of Americana in the Cold War.
It had been realised during the tumult of the earlier half of the 20th century, how important manufacturing was in a modern war, and the economic muscle and logistical means of modern nations, were harshly observed. No longer could an Empire casually hold sway over continental land masses without a much more serious investment.
The role of technology cannot be ignored in that, as I pointed out earlier. If any old randomers can be milling around with machine guns and heavy weapons, what then happens to the idea of cheaply maintained colonies? What then comes of the idea of armies operating as enforcers from the state for the empire? Clearly it starts to get more risky, especially if it is a big empire; risky, expensive, highly strung.
Socialism could easily and cynically destroy Imperialism. Nationalism is not the bane of Imperialism. A hybrid of Socialism and Corporatism, as well as Materialism and Individualism, clearly become more important. The Nationalism destroying Imperialism concept is far too simplistic. In Britain there was a lot of nationalisation post-WWII but then what happened? By Thatcher's day it was privatisation which reshaped British society. And that is rightfully controversial change to the UK that is still argued over.
Excellently put.
My Canadian great great grandfather served in South Africa during the Boer War for King and Empire in 1902.
@@histman3133 Those men were very brave. Be proud.
One among hundreds of simply stunning "The Crown" performances
I love the look Lord Yohn Royce gives his companions at either side when Tywin is done with his speech, its like: "Yeah, we should definitely pick this guy to stage a coup".
Just Googled what Lord Mountbatten looks like. That is fantastic casting!
C.C. Ekeke Right? Charles Dance was made for this role.
This actor is one of the most handsomest man in age I have ever seen before
Соглашусь! А эта сцена(+музыка) вообще шикарна.
I was very moved to see this part. This is mostly touching part. He is the real representative of Britain and the spirit of the British. He is a real man and officer. Salute him!
If you think that about him, best not look at the headlines the past few days. It was the worst kept secret what he was at in the the 70s.
Legendary voice. He's also the spitting image of the real Mountbatten.
Just an absolutely fantastic scene. Season 3 does such a great job making you like Harold Wilson (his telling Elizabeth about how he doesn’t really like smoking his pipe is another incredible scene), and yet the power and majesty of Mountbatten (so well-conveyed by hiring the always excellent Charles Dance) makes you like, ‘I kind of support the coup.’
The greatest King Game of Thrones and The Crown never had
0:53 look Ser Royce is also impressed by Tywin Lannister's singing. Even the Vale cannot resist the Lion of Casterly Rock
He won't be so amused had Tywin sang "The Rains of Castamere" 😉
His voice and recitation style...just awesome
What an immensely great poet Rudyard Kipling was. The rhythm and flow of his verse is so smooth.
I think this has to be the number one top scene of season 3 easily the best season by far Charles Dance actually done this speech for real too - absolutely smashed it here did you see when he stopped .. I was like he really means that stuff so deep
He sang the poem that was written about British soldiers and my country Burma, Mandalay is my native town.
"The Road to Mandalay by Rudyard Kipling read by Charles Dance - 70th VJ Day commemoration London" take a look at that one.
It has not been performed better anywhere
There is something undeniably beautiful and courageous about what the British and Europeans did... when they went to Mandalay
They subjugated the Burmese.
Long live the empire! Long live the jewel in the crown! Never forget Burma!
0:52 Ser Waymar Royce: "What Happened?"
Salute from an Indian Lord Mountbatten
One of the most moving moments in the series.
Urge to colonise rising, God Save the Queen.
I think there's a little island just off of China that could use some good old British colonising right about now.
@Alex Jones as a Canadian and a proud British subject I say onward!
@Alex Jones My grandfather and my great uncle fought for King and Country in the Mediterranean and Europe. Earning the equivalent to the Burma Star: the Italy Star and France and Germany Star as a tank gunner. How proud it is to have these heroes in my family. 🇬🇧.
@Alex Jones in the words of Sir John A. MacDonald: A British Subject I was born and a British Subject I will die.
@Alex Jones If only the Empire still existed. What an adventure it would be. To me Britannia will always Rule the Waves. God Save the Queen!
This man has the most riveting voice and energy.
The show is so amazingly well written that it brings the best out of even brilliant actor like Charles dance!! 🙂
Don’t know why, but I can’t stop watching this scene over and over again. Love every second.
Me too. I keep coming back to it
This was genuinely chilling. What a presence Charles Dance has. How come no Knighthood?
Maybe turned one down. Some do.
M Scott Incredibly rarely . And an actor receiving an honour from the Queen. Moment of a lifetime
As a Scotsman i just wanna say no matter what happens ill never stop being as British as anyone else. Quis Seperabit
Mountbatten is the best I’ve seen him in. What a fine and handsome actor!
This was the Swan Song of the British Empire, but what a swan song it is. Suits the largest empire to ever exist.
I’m going to look up this Road to Mandalay thing, as I currently don’t know what it’s all about. That being said, this American feels like a proud member of the British Empire right now. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Great poem by Rudyard Kipling about the exoticism of the Orient
It's a love poem told by a soldier about his beloved in the far east
It's Rudyard Kiplinger's poem ode to the British Raj.
*British empire intensifies*
Great grandfather fought at the Battle of Kohima! Great to see the Burma Star Association in The Crown series.
God bless him, it’s sad that the battle and indeed the campaign are so forgotten nowadays
he is born to rule, well, at least acting as a ruler
Never forget the Forgotten 14th 🇬🇧🇮🇳🇬🇧🇮🇳
Remember when Boris Johnson kept reciting this when he was in Myanmar
But we can agree Charles Dance is better at it than Mr. Johnson.
Burma
Yes, I think the ambassador told him to shut up.
If you listen carefully at 00:04 you'll hear the first 4 notes of the Rains of Castamere as a fanfare for the underscore in this scene. I think it is too close to be a coincidence.
Idk man
Is this an actual fact or are you just trying to connect something that might not be their
I heard it
@@kp-legacy-5477 Well listen carefully, if you have an ear for music you'll hear it.
I HEARD IT OMG
Yes the first 4 notes of the Lannister theme.
By far the best moment of all three seasons, god bless this country.
and so we spoke and so we spoke
that lord of castamere..
and now the rain weep o'er its hall
and not a soul to hear.
This scene gave me goosebumps when I watched it. I did have to have a huge chuckle over the irony though of Tywin Lannister playing Edmure Tully's uncle :D
0:51 Are we just gonna ignore Lord Yohn Royce?
Yes
Arthur Fair enough. He was kinda forgettable in Game if Thrones. I’ll ask my horse
He didnt stay for winterfell as well
NOT BY ME
i'll even ask my horse
The music adds so much to his performance in this scene.
The Most Epic Performance by Charles Dance
I'd love Charles Dance iterating the whole poem. Absolutely fantastic.
This scene alone was responsible for transforming Mumbai back to Bombay, Myanmar back to Burma, and Zimbabwe back to Rhodesia
Just make him a Knight of OBE or something already. He deserves it
@@theodosios2615 I meant KBE. I'm Not that familiar with the composition of the award.
@@Silent_Shishya either way he deserves to be knight. Officer of the british empire (OBE) is not enough for this 😂
unlikely to happen. Charles Dance has a TERRIBLE reputation in the acting industry. Very Very disliked by many people.
@@lukegregy10 for what
TMPanos96 he’s apparently not a very nice man. I’ve heard lots of anecdotes over the years about him being particularly horrible to women. Lots of people I know were surprised nothing came out about him during the #metoo moment. Now of course these are just rumours and I have no evidence personally. But have a little look at his acting career over the years - one of his first movies back in the 80s was Plenty where he starred alongside Meryl Streep but then his career never really took off after that. He wasn’t really well known for another 30 years until Game of thrones. One story I heard was between him and Meryl Streep (who everyone agrees is the nicest woman in Hollywood) - she HATED him....
My favourite scene in The Crown season 3. It definitely resonated with me as I lived in China for a few years and travelled a few weeks in Burma, it was my favourite country in southeast Asia.
My french bulldog watched this clip .
Now is a british lion.
And in the back Tyrion is clapping slowly, “that’ll do Father, that’ll do....”
This man doesn’t need a piece of paper to recite this. He knows it my heart
The best actor/character combo in The Crown, totally commands every scene.
I come to watch this scene when I'm feeling down, it somehow makes me feel inspired and motivated for the day
Very powerful cinematic moment, worth watching in the theatres
Lord Tywin would be proud of his great-great-great-grand-child.
What an amazing actor. He would be great as any number of classic movie villains.
Absolutely fantastic, Charles Dance is such a gifted Actor.
Charles dance is perfect for Mountbatten even than the previous actor!!... he really looks like a man of action!! 🙂
charles dance is just encapsulating in every role he plays
The Burma Star, worn so proudly by men who served, men who I worked with in my youth, men who I drank in pubs with. Hard men, incredibly hard men, Chindits under Wingate. XV Corps, Operation Talon, Hill 170.
Like Kipling, men who spoke of hardships, and of beauty. Most sleep soundly now. RIP.
My father was a Merriill's Marauder who served in Burma in WWII. He told me he met Lord Louis. He said he was handsomest man he ever met.
So proud of my country being in a song
Although our monarchy is completely embarrassed by the British we are still proud
@@magednosseir8304 nothing to be embarrassed of
My favorite poem of all time. Makes me tear up whenever I hear it or recite it.
Awesome speech and poem, "Come you back, you British soldier; come you back to Mandalay! But only as tourist, and please do not stay."
Charles Dance is a treat to watch and listen to
Nice to see him play a good guy once an a while
He was not good, read comments above, he forcered Prince Charles to an awful school and worse he forced him to marry Diana. And he was untrue to his wife!
He didn't even know Diana. His wife cheated on him first and abused him psychologically. Yet he loved her and remained married to her. Of course if she would neglect him he had to find a partner of his own.
He was a friend of saville actually
I saw Charles Dance play Coriolanus at the RSC un Stratford-Upon-Avon in 1989.
A wonderful showing 😊
I am in Mandalay. Thank you very much for the poem ❤❤❤❤❤
Burmese/Myanmar Country
Mandalay/မန္တလေးမြို့ 💙💙💙💙💙
Not a fan of Mountbatten, but this scene was so incredible, it prompted me to watch The Crown.
Charles Dance is magnificent! The poem too - makes me nostalgic for a place I haven't even been to.
Feels like lord Tywin Lannister is back!
He definitely is back
I cried. It was so beautiful rendition. And YES---Mr. Dance was UNFORGETTABLE!!
Britain needs lord mountbatten now more than ever
မြန်မာပြည်ကြီးကအရမ်းလှပတယ်လေ.သူတို့လွမ်းနေကြတာပေါ့ ကျမတို့လဲလွမ်းတယ်❤❤❤
Charles Dance is a wonderful actor.
I really recommend walking up Mandalay Hill. It was scene to a fierce battle during WW2, which this commemorates, but it also one of the most serene places I've ever been. I walked up to the top talking to a Buddhist monk, with amazing sunset views at the top over Mandalay.
Charles Dance is more Mountbatten than Mountbatten himself
Jestem okazem zdrowia.
I tyle mojego.
This scene is so British it turned my Sidewalk into a Pavement
It is an ode, means a poem that is sung. The Road to Mandalay is a song by Oley Speaks and the text written by Rudyard Kipling. It remains me of a sad ode for a disappearing heroic age and a crumbling Empire.
The rich mourning that their evil is no longer profitable.
I wouldn't call the Empire heroic
@@ChildOfTheWilderness Indeed, the hero myths of Empire are just self justification to sooth their conscience and pretend they earned their wealth instead of seizing it from the vulnerable.
@@ChildOfTheWilderness It was for the English.
@@kylelapointe2289 In the past maybe. I wouldn't look back on it fondly now. Nothing but oppression and occupation