Yep, apart from Branthwaite and Pickford, I don't see any of our players getting in the Forest team. Even then, Forest's centre halves are both decent and have a great partnership. Wouldn't be nailed on.
7:40 Forest fan coming in peace. This comment seemed really delusional to be honest. Out of that Forest starting 11 yesterday, every one of those players bar maybe Sosa gets into your starting 11, and that’s mainly because yesterday was his first league start. Sels = Pickford 🤝 Milenković > Tarkowski 🔴 Morato < Branthwaite 🔵 Williams > Mykolenko 🔴 Aina > Young 🔴 Domínguez > Doucouré 🔴 Anderson > Mangala 🔴 Gibbs-White > Ndiaye 🔴 Elanga > Harrison 🔴 Wood > Broja 🔴 Left out Sosa and Gana due to formations, but you get my point.
Calm down mate , it was just a comment and anyway you forest fans heads has gone so big just bcos your in a false position , if arsenal , city were performing no way you would b where u are …remember this is the same forest squad that nearly got relegated last yr the difference is you have a good manager this time and not cooper , who is getting the best out of the players unlike our dinasaur ! Enjoy your season doubt you will finish in the top 6 , but to suggest every forest player is better than the Everton 11 is delusional … only one I would take is gibbs white
As a Forest fan, I was suprised that Everton didn’t have game plan when it was announced that Murillo picked up an injury during the warm up. Nuno had 45 minutes to change the formation and get his instructions across. It went seamlessly. Our tactical management has improved immensely. Sadly, Everton have regressed last since we last played at Goodison.
We’re a mess. We need a new manager and a complete reset. It’s good to see a big club like Forest doing well, all the best for the rest of the season mate.
Unfortunately, Dyche isn't capable of doing anything more than setting up for survival mode. It's ingrained in his DNA from being so long at Burnley. Hope he's let go sooner rather than later.
"the players done the complete opposite of what I asked" sounds to me like you've lost the dressing room then mate..... Didn't hear him throwing the players under the bus after city Chelsea arsenal, he said tactically we were spot on. Good result = his tactics... Bad result = the players
As a Forest fan who was at Goodison yesterday, I can't help but feel that Everton lack belief. I attended both of the previous season’s games at Goodison, and the fans were much louder and behind the team. Yesterday, I barely heard anything from the Everton supporters. On the pitch, the team appeared very negative at times, opting to play backward instead of pushing forward. Pickford saved the team from further punishment, but it was clear he was frustrated with the players in front of him. I don’t anticipate Everton going down, as they are better than the teams below them. However, something needs to change quickly at Everton to prepare for what is likely to be a much tougher season next year.
@@RichieNoLimitsTBH Richie I’d say 90% of evertonians are with you on that mate, let’s hope the freidkins come back after new year and sack him🤞⭐️⚡️✨🌟💫🌙
@@PazLeBon IT'S THE SYSTEM!!! How many times/defeats/goalless matches do you need. It's as clear as day. Sorry Paz, I don't mean to be rude, just so frustrating. What the guys say about his subs (changing like for like) is so true.
For such a polished, well presented and intelligent/ researched channel, letting that piece on the forest players go unchallenged (especially when Ped had said the exact opposite not 30 seconds before) really is not a great look at all.
100% Dyche out but its not because of this game... this was two mistakes that they capatalised on. Dyche out because hes got his favourites hes not proactive enough in his in game management, and finally because hes not galavanising fans and team together.
Only two Forest players getting the Everton team lol what an absolute clown more like seven Chris Wood MGW Anderson Ola Aina Milenković Murillo Morato Callum Hudson Odoi Anthony Elanga The list goes on The only Everton player to get in the Forest team possibly is Jordan Pickford And that’s a maybe
I don't agree... I would take 7 to 8 players in that Forest starting line up over Everton.. By far a better team... Man for man... Far better manager.... Far better run club
@@Efcdan1878 How did Forest cheat? They're no more cheats than Everton who also ended up with a points deduction for failing the 'rigged game' of FFP / PSR. As for Everton buying 'crap'... well, that's up to Everton.
Saying only 2 forest players would make thr Everton squad is such an outrageous statement it almost requires a public apology to regain come credibility
Ipswich beating Chelsea last night puts us in real trouble, my prediction of relegation at the start of the season is more accurate than Baz saying we'll be mid table.
Forest fan here. We’ve clearly bought the T shirt here.. Everton are very similar to Forest but a huge difference is just how flexible Forest are on the pitch, they are so confident in their ability it shows how well they’ve been coached, and this is the first season together. Dyche is spot on how Everton are set up… but what’s going on with Everton’s coaching seems off the mark. Anyhow great channel, Forest fans have total respect for Everton, historic to club and what a amazing new stadium can’t wait to visit
Forest don’t even have their first string midfield fit… Sangare and Danilo would walk into Everton’s midfield… Anderson would… MGW… CHO… Elanga… Wood… what crack is this geezer smoking. Player for player Forest are better. Nuno’s done amazing but make no mistake the quality of the players is easily above Everton.
Doucs will sadly play in almost every game for the rest of the season tho and Harrison at least half of the remainder I imagine. Myko too. No wonder we’re doing sh*te
Sorry, I like your channel as a Forest fan, but I wouldn't take any of your players over ours right now. To suggest only 2 or 3 of ours would get into your 11 is ridiculous. If any at all, it might be Pickford, but even then, Sels is doing a great job for us. 🤷♂️
Final season at Goodison the fans have been completely ripped off. Even West Ham left the Boleyn with a cult hero managing them to a 5th place finish. Typical of Everton again to bring about this utter shite for what should have been a happy season
Apart from all the on field issues, which are well covered here and elsewhere, Dyche has a much bigger problem now. He now works for Americans. Americans view football as the entertainment business and Sean doesn't provide entertainment in any form. In football is provided by performance, both individually and the collective, and results. By results I mean wins particularly at home. Big performances and wins at home generate revenue and fans. We are awful at home and don't win enough games. I hope they make the decision this week. Give the new manager the full transfer window. Dyche could have lost the three previous games, beat forest been on the same points but have happier fans. He managed to turn a positive into a serious negative in 90 minutes.
Forest fan here. You're deluded if you think Dyche is the problem. You have a team of poor players who Dyche is struggling to get to the required level. Your best player on Sunday, Mangala, was a squad player at Forest a year ago. The comment from the guy about you having 11 better players is the funniest thing I've heard for ages. We have quality running through the 11 on the field and 5 quality players sat on the bench. You need to step away for a moment and realise what Dyche has done for you, which is keep you in an un-natural position in the prem. You should be playing Plymouth and Oxford in the Championship. You're not and you should be grateful.
Don’t get ahead of yourself mate seen this before With loads of teams as a flash in the pan, we finished 4th under Moyes and 11th the next year, you will end up about 7th or 8th you’re just full of confidence at the minute, but you still have Psr and can’t earn loads because you’re forest no disrespect. So Gibbs white probably goes next summer and you will be bottom half next season. You were terrible last season and your team hasn’t changed much, copper like dyche is a shocking manager and will be gone soon, we will Take over you soon because of our new owners and our ground and being a bigger club so financially we will blow you out the water, don’t forget you spent about 20 yrs in the championship.
@Stephen-zq7qh I agree Everton will be much better in the next few years but you've all got to realise that it's been Dyche that's kept your club together over the last couple of years. As an outsider I can see. And who's Copper?
Cooper I meant We stayed up last day in Dyche’s first season and last season the bottom 3 were the worst in history 28 points kept you up, 100’s of managers would have kept that Everton squad wasn’t some miracle by dyche.
@Stephen-zq7qh OK mate. I think West Ham fans were saying things along the same lines when they wanted Moyes out. And Cooper's not been our manager for a year now.
The game is won And lost in Midfield, we don’t have any pace in Midfield, we never control Midfield, we need younger players with pace Simply as !!!!!!
Couldn't agree more... I want dyche out but let's not ignore the point he made in his post match press conference he said he wanted more pace in attack and decision making. The players didn't deliver and never will until we get better (quicker)
If Leicester or Ipswich go on any sort of run, maybe only 2 wins and 2 draws we are going to be in massive trouble. Please change Dyche soon. Massive gamble to keep him.
If Everton have 9 players better than Forest, which Forest players do you put into the Everton team that will make them be in 2nd position? Absolutely nonsense thing to say, Forest's squad is massively underrated nationally, even whilst sitting in 2nd.
1 or 2 Forest players in the EVERTON team?!? Are you mad 😂😂 The main difference between the two teams is pace, power and directness on the counter. You’ve got no pace at all, you just lump it and hope for the second ball. 1 or 2 Forest players in your team is actually a crazy thing to say 😂
@ Yep, doesn’t matter who comes into the team for us everyone knows exactly what there job is. (Sosa and Morato had 3 prem starts between them yesterday and they knew exactly what they were doing.) you’re going nowhere fast with Dyche
I still count Everton as our PSR buds, you’ll be ok, you have bottle and a fck the rest attitude. I love that. I wish you all a happy and prosperous new year COYR!
Gents you made the comment about how good Patto was when he came on, if you look back at West Ham away (another 0-0), we could have won that game if we went for it with Patto down the right side. It was there for the taking!!
Correct. Both fullbacks, any 2 of your centre halves. MGW, Elanga, Anderson, others who are borderline. Doesn’t paint Evertonians in good light saying nonsense like that
Yeah I agree mate to be fair I support Everton but in all seriousness your squad is definitely better than ours and it is crazy in a sense because we finished higher than you last season but yeah I’d take the whole Forrest 11 over ours 100 per cent and Nuno is 25 million times better than Dyche as well
The level of delusion to suggest only 2 or 3 Forest players would get into Everton’s team is astonishing, yes, I’m a Forest fan but would only take Pickford and even then from a relationship and understanding perspective would be starting with Sels. However, I do think Pickford is better.
I think Forest show the difference between having a balanced team and not. A few signings in the right positions and players all who are happy doing the jobs they are asked and you can see where that gets them but and let's be honest they are finishing every little half chance they get and that can't continue.
The man has a broken heart,that's why he said it..but it is a very hurtful and untruthful thing to say,look deep into any city,and your probably going to find some dodgy areas,....? People who live in glass houses,shouldn't throw stones😮
This is football banter, it's been going on for years. I can't recall the amount of times I've been going home in an Ambulance. Been going to football since 1965 and it's not happened yet. I personally don't give a shit at being called a scab, as they say 'Water off a ducks back' , sticks and stones etc. Good luck for the rest of the season and look forward to seeing you in your new Stadium. PS ..Rooney's a free agent now if you want a new manager. 😂😂😂😂
Reanalyse 1st goal. The 2 most experienced, Young &Tark are playing a high line, the other 2 aren’t level & played him on. Simples. Second was a short ball capitalised on. NEXT..
Can’t get done from a straight ball mate. They had 2 runners, can’t be playing on the halfway line when there are 2 runners. Either bad defending or shocking tactics 🤷♂️
@@ToffeeTVEFC that’s what happens when the players lack pace, they get done in behind. If we want a team that can push up we need pace across the back line and a GK that is better in 1v1s. Imagine an Everton striker turning a lump up the pitch into a goal by lobbing the GK, I’d pass out 😩
How strange we haven't scored again ...how .. We play two full backs that can't go forward .. We play 3 of the same type centre mids ..one of them is doucoure who offers nothing in attack .. A winger who can't take players on has zero pace and can't cross the ball ... A manager that plays so negative .. How didn't we score I don't get it .. Dyche out now
John must be deluded if he thinks only maybe three NF players would make our first team. I think he must have meant three Everton players might make the NF team. Our players are mostly mediocre and that's all the more reason to have the best manager possible to bring the best out of what they can do. Having a manager who has no tactical awareness, cannot vary the style of play, knows only how to defend, obstinately picks his favourites over better players and who says the players didn't do what they were asked means only two possibilities. Either Dyche has unrealistic belief in his own coaching ability or he has lost the dressing room. He needs to go fast.
Dyche set the team up exactly as he does in every game, Coleman for young, pretty much like for like,broja and Dom different players but like for like position... He could of tried anything different but he didn't, Patterson could of played in front of young. Having decoure,mangala and gueye is very defensive,he could of exchanged one of them for broja and still played Dom. He doesn't try anything different, he's persisting with the same every week and every week we don't score and we don't win. It's tactics, strategy and changing what DOES NOT WORK!?!? Dyche doesn't.....
Lost all respect for these gentlemen at 7 min 40 secs. At least 6 Nottingham Forest players would walk into that Everton side. Not one Everton player is as gifted as Milenkovic, for example. Gibbs-White, Wood, Elanga, Aina, Anderson would all dramatically improve Everton. And Murillo, unavailable for the game, is another one. Not only disrespectful but delusional, too. Desperate stuff.
Spot on there a confident well run quick to break and well managed team. There manager start of season "we will not be in a relegation fight" Dyche "we will struggle again" managers have to give there players the confidence and way to play that brings the best out of them.
Please any Everton fans reading… fbref Elliot Anderson… and then ANY cm in the league… Forest have some brilliant players who are being slept on because we’re new to the top half. So were Brighton so were Brentford. Don’t let the badge and history fool you… fbref Elliot Anderson and tell me he’s not an absolute baller deserving of European footballer.
Look at Chris Wood - he's been so much better at Newc & Forest (working under attacking managers, not Dyche) than he did at Burnley. DCL looked great under Ancelotti, was injured under Lamps, doesn't score under Dyche. Myko & Doucoure have got progressively worse under Dyche, from "guaranteed starters" to "why are they selected?" We have good players hugely under performing their ability, down to SD tactics and approach. (Pickford has improved - guess is that as he's not outfield, he avoids Dyche's oppression)
So many good points raised 👏👏👏 I am so fed up watching Pickford and defenders kicking long. Minimising risk Dyche means minimising movement off the ball. We are so slow in making decisions because their are a lack of players moving into forward space.
Ridiculous claiming only one or two forest players get in our team. It’s the other way round. Pickford, Branthwaite, N’Diaye and maybe Mangala. That’s it. Can’t believe no one called him on that shout.
Entitled to his opinion but it’s indicative of how many of our fans still do not understand how bad our squad is. We aren’t an underachieving mid table squad. We are about the 17th best squad in the league
@@Mike12849From a Nottingham Forest supporter, well said. Milenkovic, Gibbs-White, Anderson, Wood, Aina, Elanga, Murillo (when fit) would all walk into that Everton side. I listened to that stupid comment with an open mouth. Astonishing to think no-one challenged such obvious nonsense. There's a reason why Forest are second in the Premier League and Everton are in a relegation scrap - and it isn't because an overwhelming majority of their players are better than ours. Delusional.
@ We earned about 15 more points than Forest last season, so it’s tough to see such a change in fortunes this season. But it’s a result of years of well educated signings from Forest finally all coming together in a good system, and years of Everton selling and having to make a profit every window. The difference in quality of the players is embarrassing for a club our size. (The criticism of the manager is also valid - but even if tactics were spot on yesterday it would have been difficult for us)
@@jasongray4517 Forest have 6 players currently out injured that would walk in Everton's team
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Do you think the players dislike him as much as most of us do and the bad vibes permeate right through the club and until he is gone mood will not lift?
I think Broja looks like a good player. Two fullbacks, One right winger and a new manager and we will be sorted. Maybe not top 6th sorted but certainly enough to challenge the likes of Forest, Newcastle etc However I don't really expect anything to change until the summer and frankly I just have apathy now. We have waited and gone through hell for the last few seasons. What's another 6 months of turgid crap to sit through.
When Texter said if I become owner, I need to talk to SD to see if he can play a nother way. We know what he meant and the answer is plain to see. I sat in a pub in fortuventura and the difference in the upbeet of the forest fans was plain to see. Time to get rid.
How can youse defend Doucoure he’s nowhere near our standard. On about Harrison giving the ball away, Doucoure can’t keep hold of it whatsoever. Players look at him and dribble the opposite direction, does nothing in that team but gets away with it because there’s always a player who’s had a worse game. He wouldnt play for any other team in the league cos he isn’t prem standard anymore
This was the only game I can get to this season as I live faraway now. I paid over the odds to get the tickets for me and my son. It’s probably the last time I’ll ever go to Goodison after being a season ticket holder as a kid. Everyone sitting around us could see the faults in the team set-up you’re talking about, but Dyche is still managing to con people that he’s the only man for the job. He needs to go now.
Pickford, Branthwaite, Ndiaye,, (I'll give Broja a pass as he hasn't been given a chance). I'd be willing to considering replacing any of the rest of the starting 11.
@@gavinbrown7336 Pickford is a fair shout. Ndiaye, no thanks. Lots of effort no end result. Branthwaite does nothing better than Milenkovic or Murillo.
He hasn't got a clue.... talking about 3 players over the everyone team. Based on this season... Could go either way with Pickford or Sels. Aina beats Young... Milenkovic and Murrilo beats Branthwaite and Tarkowski... Williams or Mykolenko could go either way, though I'd say Williams shading it. Anderson beats Mangala Gibbs white beats doucoure Gueye probably beats Domingues/Yates HudsonOdoi beats Harrison Elanga beats Ndaiye Wood ourscorinng broja and Calevert Lewin.
You can’t judge all Forest fans on the away lot singing a song you know a few sing it and everyone joins in that’s football but I’m with you I don’t agree with that song. Enjoy your season guys you Reds
You don't have to remove the striker unless he's missing all his shots, have to figure out why he isn't having shots,no service... Figure out how to get them service... Dyche relies only having (1 or 2 ) good chances in a game to score... Teams that score goals to win need 15-20 shots on goal and at least half on target... Dyche mindset we're conceding too many goals let's play defensive instead now we still concede and don't score... He's got everything wrong... The season half way through and still unable to set this team up to play and win
What can the fans do to get the message more clearly across to the Friedkin group that we want Dyche gone? I think they need to make themselves heard at the matches with signed and voices.
I’d like the team to answer the question of Dyche Woan and Stone debating during the match what to do next ? Surely every decent manager should have a plan for every eventuality and there should be no need for in match discussions.
Honestly.....lads you are either totally deluded or completely naive...Your a piss poor team with championship players and your fans yesterday was awful ...you dont see the clear difference in players ,style and desire .... Deluded the lot of ya
Ped , when u do your starting xl's start doing the whole formation and everything how u would do it forget how dyche would maybe they might see it i dunno but no point allowing him to change our opinions
The guy in the glasses is delusional, apart from pickford maybe, sels has more clean sheets by the way, not one of their players gets in this forest side
You are right Ped. Many fans have been brainwashed into thinking Sean Dyche is like some kind of Daddy of all and if he gets removed we'll plummet. He's only got one setting, he's only got defence mode, anything else is like asking Dracula to sunbathe.
Your stat with 15 goals in 18 games... Let's set the wolves game apart 11 goals in 17 games, 3 wins all season, we are once again ( extremely lucky to not be in the bottom 3 right now) can't rely on 3 worse teams.... Seriously think we are closer than we've ever been to relegation and last year we had 8 points deducted. Club might have new owners but we are a mess on the pitch.
Is John on drugs😂 did he really say go and pick what players get in the Everton team from Forest you’d only get 1 or 2 😆 that most ridiculous comment of the year I’ve heard from anyone not just on TTV, every player except Pickford and JB in the Forest team gets. Boys I really enjoy the show but I turned off after that
Fair play to Forest but they're not that much better than us they've just got pace on the break and well coached by a good progressive manager and his staff. We need to make the first step by getting rid of this manager as well as injecting speed into this team which is criminal we've gone so long without. Our defence is fine midfield ok when all fit but our forwards are poorly coached and lack quality. New left back who overlaps and a right winger in Jan desperately needed. If they can go from 17th to 2nd in 6 months it demonstrates it can be done over to you Freidkins act now ! Mykolenkos been dreadful most of the season swear his feet are shaped like battered shovels must be having seen his crossing, him Doucoure and Harrison cannot start again hope they're all told to find new clubs next month.
Over from Belfast to support and watch my team again and seriously don't think I will be back again this season to watch this poor side, absolute crime of a team 😢
Honestly, keep this brief, he needs to go. Simple. Football has evolved, teams score goals. Playing for the clean sheet at home and every game is beyond pathetic. Snooze fest now. I’m bored of it, this is not what Everton’s footy is
My dad & I will always look forward to games however it’s a weird looking forward to them can’t explain it and creds to u Ped you’ve said it all along he is not a good manager.
It was all going well until the "Notts Forest"...divided fan base, divided club and divided panel. I really do like Everton as a club with its traditions. Keep with it, you should reap the rewards with FFP in a year or so when the new ground opens up..providing you can fill it. Good luck! Up the toffees!
Everton 0-2 Nottingham Forest | The Final Word
I’m sorry, suggesting 2 or 3 of Forest player’s would get in the a Everton team is utter nonsense. I’d suggest 7/8 of them would.
Yep, apart from Branthwaite and Pickford, I don't see any of our players getting in the Forest team. Even then, Forest's centre halves are both decent and have a great partnership. Wouldn't be nailed on.
10 inmo Pickford only makes it
Couldn’t agree more ridiculous shout 😆 and the exact number is 9 forest player get in the 2 dont are Pickford and JB positions
Totally agree. Daft comment😂
What a stupid comment
Final word "out". I couldn't put it any more succinctly😂, well said John!
Well said John, in 2024 31 goals from 132 shots! The least of any side in the league, the stats tell the truth, DYCHE OUT!!
7:40 Forest fan coming in peace. This comment seemed really delusional to be honest. Out of that Forest starting 11 yesterday, every one of those players bar maybe Sosa gets into your starting 11, and that’s mainly because yesterday was his first league start.
Sels = Pickford 🤝
Milenković > Tarkowski 🔴
Morato < Branthwaite 🔵
Williams > Mykolenko 🔴
Aina > Young 🔴
Domínguez > Doucouré 🔴
Anderson > Mangala 🔴
Gibbs-White > Ndiaye 🔴
Elanga > Harrison 🔴
Wood > Broja 🔴
Left out Sosa and Gana due to formations, but you get my point.
Yeah, you're probably right, but Pickford is 100%
If Murillo was fit then it’d be a clean sweep of outfield players 👍🏼
Agree with everything except Pickford. Pickford >= Sels in my opinion. And GibbsWhie >= Ndiaye
This is so......nuts. It's paranoid delusion. It's sad.
Calm down mate , it was just a comment and anyway you forest fans heads has gone so big just bcos your in a false position , if arsenal , city were performing no way you would b where u are …remember this is the same forest squad that nearly got relegated last yr the difference is you have a good manager this time and not cooper , who is getting the best out of the players unlike our dinasaur ! Enjoy your season doubt you will finish in the top 6 , but to suggest every forest player is better than the Everton 11 is delusional … only one I would take is gibbs white
As a Forest fan, I was suprised that Everton didn’t have game plan when it was announced that Murillo picked up an injury during the warm up. Nuno had 45 minutes to change the formation and get his instructions across. It went seamlessly. Our tactical management has improved immensely. Sadly, Everton have regressed last since we last played at Goodison.
We’re a mess. We need a new manager and a complete reset. It’s good to see a big club like Forest doing well, all the best for the rest of the season mate.
Our manager doesn’t he’s useless
thats Dyches game plan
Unfortunately, Dyche isn't capable of doing anything more than setting up for survival mode. It's ingrained in his DNA from being so long at Burnley. Hope he's let go sooner rather than later.
"the players done the complete opposite of what I asked" sounds to me like you've lost the dressing room then mate..... Didn't hear him throwing the players under the bus after city Chelsea arsenal, he said tactically we were spot on. Good result = his tactics... Bad result = the players
As a Forest fan who was at Goodison yesterday, I can't help but feel that Everton lack belief. I attended both of the previous season’s games at Goodison, and the fans were much louder and behind the team. Yesterday, I barely heard anything from the Everton supporters. On the pitch, the team appeared very negative at times, opting to play backward instead of pushing forward. Pickford saved the team from further punishment, but it was clear he was frustrated with the players in front of him. I don’t anticipate Everton going down, as they are better than the teams below them. However, something needs to change quickly at Everton to prepare for what is likely to be a much tougher season next year.
He picks the wrong team same players every week
New manager is the change they need negative defensive football especially at home is a big problem
@@RichieNoLimitsTBH Richie I’d say 90% of evertonians are with you on that mate, let’s hope the freidkins come back after new year and sack him🤞⭐️⚡️✨🌟💫🌙
You lot will be back down there soon make the most
@@Peter-efc123 don’t think they will mate , not this season, got enough quality the way they play to make it work🤷♂️
7 out of 9 games without a goal. How is that even possible for a professional football team? Mindboggling.
Especially in a league where it's basically all about teams just bombing forward these days trying to win 3-2.
Nobody worries about defending anymore
@@jameshughes9329 so praise for clean sheets. Poor squad, broja league one standard
@@PazLeBon IT'S THE SYSTEM!!! How many times/defeats/goalless matches do you need. It's as clear as day. Sorry Paz, I don't mean to be rude, just so frustrating. What the guys say about his subs (changing like for like) is so true.
@@suspiria5614 I just disagree, I blame championship squad who can defend and no midfield;) just need 36 pts
For such a polished, well presented and intelligent/ researched channel, letting that piece on the forest players go unchallenged (especially when Ped had said the exact opposite not 30 seconds before) really is not a great look at all.
100% Dyche out but its not because of this game... this was two mistakes that they capatalised on. Dyche out because hes got his favourites hes not proactive enough in his in game management, and finally because hes not galavanising fans and team together.
Only two Forest players getting the Everton team lol
what an absolute clown more like seven
Chris Wood
MGW
Anderson
Ola Aina
Milenković
Murillo
Morato
Callum Hudson Odoi
Anthony Elanga
The list goes on
The only Everton player to get in the Forest team possibly is Jordan Pickford
And that’s a maybe
Yup, delusional, or just trying to lay bigger blame on Dyche.
Dyche should have his coaching badges revoked 3 wins in half a season and yet some fans still defend this dinosaur
I don't agree... I would take 7 to 8 players in that Forest starting line up over Everton.. By far a better team... Man for man... Far better manager.... Far better run club
FFP cheats who actually bought a team rather than us who accidentally did it and bought crap 😂
@@Efcdan1878 How did Forest cheat? They're no more cheats than Everton who also ended up with a points deduction for failing the 'rigged game' of FFP / PSR. As for Everton buying 'crap'... well, that's up to Everton.
Saying only 2 forest players would make thr Everton squad is such an outrageous statement it almost requires a public apology to regain come credibility
Ipswich beating Chelsea last night puts us in real trouble, my prediction of relegation at the start of the season is more accurate than Baz saying we'll be mid table.
Yesterday was my 1,250th Everton game. It won't live long in my memory which has been the case for a number of years now.
Let’s hope for better times asap then.
Can't believe he hasn't been sacked already.
You chaps are always fair but I don’t know what you’re smoking to only take 2 Forest players. I guess it just suits the Dyche out narrative. 11:16
Forest fan here. We’ve clearly bought the T shirt here.. Everton are very similar to Forest but a huge difference is just how flexible Forest are on the pitch, they are so confident in their ability it shows how well they’ve been coached, and this is the first season together. Dyche is spot on how Everton are set up… but what’s going on with Everton’s coaching seems off the mark. Anyhow great channel, Forest fans have total respect for Everton, historic to club and what a amazing new stadium can’t wait to visit
Thanks mate, all the best for the rest of the season 👍
Forest don’t even have their first string midfield fit… Sangare and Danilo would walk into Everton’s midfield… Anderson would… MGW… CHO… Elanga… Wood… what crack is this geezer smoking. Player for player Forest are better. Nuno’s done amazing but make no mistake the quality of the players is easily above Everton.
harrison and doucs should never be near an everton shirt
Doucs will sadly play in almost every game for the rest of the season tho and Harrison at least half of the remainder I imagine. Myko too. No wonder we’re doing sh*te
To be fair, I feel the same about 70% of the current team
Sorry, I like your channel as a Forest fan, but I wouldn't take any of your players over ours right now. To suggest only 2 or 3 of ours would get into your 11 is ridiculous. If any at all, it might be Pickford, but even then, Sels is doing a great job for us. 🤷♂️
Soulless, joyless and clueless! I’ve never known Goodison more miserable than yesterday. Dyche out!
Final season at Goodison the fans have been completely ripped off.
Even West Ham left the Boleyn with a cult hero managing them to a 5th place finish.
Typical of Everton again to bring about this utter shite for what should have been a happy season
I watch all your videos and I love them keep up the good work and good luck for the season 😊
Cheers mate, enjoy the rest of the season and all the best for 2025 !
Apart from all the on field issues, which are well covered here and elsewhere, Dyche has a much bigger problem now. He now works for Americans. Americans view football as the entertainment business and Sean doesn't provide entertainment in any form. In football is provided by performance, both individually and the collective, and results. By results I mean wins particularly at home. Big performances and wins at home generate revenue and fans. We are awful at home and don't win enough games. I hope they make the decision this week. Give the new manager the full transfer window.
Dyche could have lost the three previous games, beat forest been on the same points but have happier fans. He managed to turn a positive into a serious negative in 90 minutes.
Mykelenko - not good enough, get rid.
Doucoure - Get rid
Beto - Get rid
DCL - Get rid
Harrison - send back to Leeds, SHITE
Dyche - sack now, get rid
We wouldn’t drop Wood after a goalless 5 game run. We would support him to build up his confidence. The wingers maybe…
Forest fan here. You're deluded if you think Dyche is the problem. You have a team of poor players who Dyche is struggling to get to the required level. Your best player on Sunday, Mangala, was a squad player at Forest a year ago. The comment from the guy about you having 11 better players is the funniest thing I've heard for ages. We have quality running through the 11 on the field and 5 quality players sat on the bench. You need to step away for a moment and realise what Dyche has done for you, which is keep you in an un-natural position in the prem. You should be playing Plymouth and Oxford in the Championship. You're not and you should be grateful.
Don’t get ahead of yourself mate seen this before With loads of teams as a flash in the pan, we finished 4th under Moyes and 11th the next year, you will end up about 7th or 8th you’re just full of confidence at the minute, but you still have Psr and can’t earn loads because you’re forest no disrespect. So Gibbs white probably goes next summer and you will be bottom half next season. You were terrible last season and your team hasn’t changed much, copper like dyche is a shocking manager and will be gone soon, we will
Take over you soon because of our new owners and our ground and being a bigger club so financially we will blow you out the water, don’t forget you spent about 20 yrs in the championship.
@Stephen-zq7qh I agree Everton will be much better in the next few years but you've all got to realise that it's been Dyche that's kept your club together over the last couple of years. As an outsider I can see. And who's Copper?
Cooper I meant
We stayed up last day in Dyche’s first season and last season the bottom 3 were the worst in history 28 points kept you up, 100’s of managers would have kept that Everton squad wasn’t some miracle by dyche.
@Stephen-zq7qh OK mate. I think West Ham fans were saying things along the same lines when they wanted Moyes out. And Cooper's not been our manager for a year now.
The game is won And lost in Midfield, we don’t have any pace in Midfield, we never control Midfield, we need younger players with pace
Simply as !!!!!!
Couldn't agree more... I want dyche out but let's not ignore the point he made in his post match press conference he said he wanted more pace in attack and decision making. The players didn't deliver and never will until we get better (quicker)
If Leicester or Ipswich go on any sort of run, maybe only 2 wins and 2 draws we are going to be in massive trouble. Please change Dyche soon. Massive gamble to keep him.
If Everton have 9 players better than Forest, which Forest players do you put into the Everton team that will make them be in 2nd position? Absolutely nonsense thing to say, Forest's squad is massively underrated nationally, even whilst sitting in 2nd.
1 or 2 Forest players in the EVERTON team?!? Are you mad 😂😂
The main difference between the two teams is pace, power and directness on the counter. You’ve got no pace at all, you just lump it and hope for the second ball.
1 or 2 Forest players in your team is actually a crazy thing to say 😂
I think your missing the point. Coaching is the main difference Forrest coached brilliantly everton coached badly
No... Forest hv better players... Much more talented... Everton squad is in the worst 5 squads in the premier league@@barryhughes3290
@ Yep, doesn’t matter who comes into the team for us everyone knows exactly what there job is. (Sosa and Morato had 3 prem starts between them yesterday and they knew exactly what they were doing.) you’re going nowhere fast with Dyche
@@barryhughes3290remind us all how you spell Forest. It’s almost as daft as calling your Evertown.
Forest still have Murillo, Sangare, Danilo, Moreno, Yates, Callum Hudson-Odoi to come back in the team 😂
I still count Everton as our PSR buds, you’ll be ok, you have bottle and a fck the rest attitude. I love that. I wish you all a happy and prosperous new year COYR!
Gents you made the comment about how good Patto was when he came on, if you look back at West Ham away (another 0-0), we could have won that game if we went for it with Patto down the right side. It was there for the taking!!
What a load of crap. Only 2/ 3 players would get in your team? Murillo,Milenkovic,Gibbs white,Hudson Odoi,Elanga,Aina, Wood Anderson.
Murillo..talk about overrated
@@Efcdan1878are you on crack? 😂
Sorry but I'd have Atleast 5 of our players over your starting 11. Without question. 6 if Murillo had played for certain 😅
I agree, I’m not sure what they’re talking about. Both fullbacks and all your forwards would get in our team
@joe5494 Milenkovic and had he been fit Murillo, there the reason we have become so solid.
Correct. Both fullbacks, any 2 of your centre halves. MGW, Elanga, Anderson, others who are borderline. Doesn’t paint Evertonians in good light saying nonsense like that
Yeah I agree mate to be fair I support Everton but in all seriousness your squad is definitely better than ours and it is crazy in a sense because we finished higher than you last season but yeah I’d take the whole Forrest 11 over ours 100 per cent and Nuno is 25 million times better than Dyche as well
@@jorgeandrade783 I’m a blue too mate. Sadly!!!
The level of delusion to suggest only 2 or 3 Forest players would get into Everton’s team is astonishing, yes, I’m a Forest fan but would only take Pickford and even then from a relationship and understanding perspective would be starting with Sels. However, I do think Pickford is better.
I think Forest show the difference between having a balanced team and not. A few signings in the right positions and players all who are happy doing the jobs they are asked and you can see where that gets them but and let's be honest they are finishing every little half chance they get and that can't continue.
2 or 3...I want some of what the old geezer is on !
Scabs comment unnecessary. Nottm is not the most deprived city in the UK and Hooters is still there. Other than that interesting discussion.
Such a sad reply, the miners strike was 40 years ago, for gods sake leave the past in the past.
The man has a broken heart,that's why he said it..but it is a very hurtful and untruthful thing to say,look deep into any city,and your probably going to find some dodgy areas,....? People who live in glass houses,shouldn't throw stones😮
You did better than Chelsea you took 5 minutes before chanting about poverty and outdated stereotypes...that's why you got called Scabs
This is football banter, it's been going on for years. I can't recall the amount of times I've been going home in an Ambulance. Been going to football since 1965 and it's not happened yet.
I personally don't give a shit at being called a scab, as they say 'Water off a ducks back' , sticks and stones etc.
Good luck for the rest of the season and look forward to seeing you in your new Stadium.
PS ..Rooney's a free agent now if you want a new manager. 😂😂😂😂
@malcolmlowe2323 conference league beckons...
Reanalyse 1st goal. The 2 most experienced, Young &Tark are playing a high line, the other 2 aren’t level & played him on. Simples. Second was a short ball capitalised on. NEXT..
Can’t get done from a straight ball mate. They had 2 runners, can’t be playing on the halfway line when there are 2 runners. Either bad defending or shocking tactics 🤷♂️
@@ToffeeTVEFC that’s what happens when the players lack pace, they get done in behind.
If we want a team that can push up we need pace across the back line and a GK that is better in 1v1s.
Imagine an Everton striker turning a lump up the pitch into a goal by lobbing the GK, I’d pass out 😩
How strange we haven't scored again ...how ..
We play two full backs that can't go forward ..
We play 3 of the same type centre mids ..one of them is doucoure who offers nothing in attack ..
A winger who can't take players on has zero pace and can't cross the ball ...
A manager that plays so negative ..
How didn't we score I don't get it ..
Dyche out now
In the real world of football Dyche would of been thrown out by now were ever he was. even burnley eventially sacked him
All the gd work from last 3 fixtures undone!!!
John must be deluded if he thinks only maybe three NF players would make our first team. I think he must have meant three Everton players might make the NF team. Our players are mostly mediocre and that's all the more reason to have the best manager possible to bring the best out of what they can do. Having a manager who has no tactical awareness, cannot vary the style of play, knows only how to defend, obstinately picks his favourites over better players and who says the players didn't do what they were asked means only two possibilities. Either Dyche has unrealistic belief in his own coaching ability or he has lost the dressing room. He needs to go fast.
Dyche set the team up exactly as he does in every game, Coleman for young, pretty much like for like,broja and Dom different players but like for like position...
He could of tried anything different but he didn't, Patterson could of played in front of young. Having decoure,mangala and gueye is very defensive,he could of exchanged one of them for broja and still played Dom. He doesn't try anything different, he's persisting with the same every week and every week we don't score and we don't win. It's tactics, strategy and changing what DOES NOT WORK!?!?
Dyche doesn't.....
Lost all respect for these gentlemen at 7 min 40 secs. At least 6 Nottingham Forest players would walk into that Everton side. Not one Everton player is as gifted as Milenkovic, for example. Gibbs-White, Wood, Elanga, Aina, Anderson would all dramatically improve Everton. And Murillo, unavailable for the game, is another one. Not only disrespectful but delusional, too. Desperate stuff.
Spot on there a confident well run quick to break and well managed team. There manager start of season "we will not be in a relegation fight" Dyche "we will struggle again" managers have to give there players the confidence and way to play that brings the best out of them.
John is a divy
Please any Everton fans reading… fbref Elliot Anderson… and then ANY cm in the league… Forest have some brilliant players who are being slept on because we’re new to the top half. So were Brighton so were Brentford. Don’t let the badge and history fool you… fbref Elliot Anderson and tell me he’s not an absolute baller deserving of European footballer.
Look at Chris Wood - he's been so much better at Newc & Forest (working under attacking managers, not Dyche) than he did at Burnley.
DCL looked great under Ancelotti, was injured under Lamps, doesn't score under Dyche.
Myko & Doucoure have got progressively worse under Dyche, from "guaranteed starters" to "why are they selected?"
We have good players hugely under performing their ability, down to SD tactics and approach.
(Pickford has improved - guess is that as he's not outfield, he avoids Dyche's oppression)
So many good points raised 👏👏👏 I am so fed up watching Pickford and defenders kicking long. Minimising risk Dyche means minimising movement off the ball. We are so slow in making decisions because their are a lack of players moving into forward space.
Imo Dyche will be replaced after the Bournemouth game.
Hope we lose so......
Ridiculous claiming only one or two forest players get in our team. It’s the other way round. Pickford, Branthwaite, N’Diaye and maybe Mangala. That’s it. Can’t believe no one called him on that shout.
He was in mid-flow but is entitled to his opinion. Think we did suggest more would later on.
Entitled to his opinion but it’s indicative of how many of our fans still do not understand how bad our squad is. We aren’t an underachieving mid table squad. We are about the 17th best squad in the league
@@Mike12849From a Nottingham Forest supporter, well said. Milenkovic, Gibbs-White, Anderson, Wood, Aina, Elanga, Murillo (when fit) would all walk into that Everton side. I listened to that stupid comment with an open mouth. Astonishing to think no-one challenged such obvious nonsense. There's a reason why Forest are second in the Premier League and Everton are in a relegation scrap - and it isn't because an overwhelming majority of their players are better than ours. Delusional.
@ We earned about 15 more points than Forest last season, so it’s tough to see such a change in fortunes this season. But it’s a result of years of well educated signings from Forest finally all coming together in a good system, and years of Everton selling and having to make a profit every window. The difference in quality of the players is embarrassing for a club our size. (The criticism of the manager is also valid - but even if tactics were spot on yesterday it would have been difficult for us)
@@jasongray4517 Forest have 6 players currently out injured that would walk in Everton's team
Do you think the players dislike him as much as most of us do and the bad vibes permeate right through the club and until he is gone mood will not lift?
I think Broja looks like a good player. Two fullbacks, One right winger and a new manager and we will be sorted. Maybe not top 6th sorted but certainly enough to challenge the likes of Forest, Newcastle etc However I don't really expect anything to change until the summer and frankly I just have apathy now. We have waited and gone through hell for the last few seasons. What's another 6 months of turgid crap to sit through.
When Texter said if I become owner, I need to talk to SD to see if he can play a nother way. We know what he meant and the answer is plain to see. I sat in a pub in fortuventura and the difference in the upbeet of the forest fans was plain to see. Time to get rid.
How can youse defend Doucoure he’s nowhere near our standard. On about Harrison giving the ball away, Doucoure can’t keep hold of it whatsoever. Players look at him and dribble the opposite direction, does nothing in that team but gets away with it because there’s always a player who’s had a worse game. He wouldnt play for any other team in the league cos he isn’t prem standard anymore
Excuse me, when was Doucoure defended? Literally said he was poor and to blame for 2nd goal ?! 😳😳
This was the only game I can get to this season as I live faraway now. I paid over the odds to get the tickets for me and my son. It’s probably the last time I’ll ever go to Goodison after being a season ticket holder as a kid. Everyone sitting around us could see the faults in the team set-up you’re talking about, but Dyche is still managing to con people that he’s the only man for the job. He needs to go now.
What are your thoughts on either ben chillwell,or kieran Tierney on loan for the rest of the season?
Nope, neither can stay fit so just as likely to get injured and be back in the same predicament for the rest of the season.
Why hasn’t he been sacked yet come on @Evertontc grow some balls for once and do the right thing sack dyche
1 or 2 from Forest? I’d love to know which Everton players are better.
Pickford, Branthwaite, Ndiaye,, (I'll give Broja a pass as he hasn't been given a chance). I'd be willing to considering replacing any of the rest of the starting 11.
Who does Branthwaite replace out of Murillo (in the Brazil squad) and Milenkovic (Serbia captain and Euro competition finalist).
@@Dirk-Diggler77 👏🏻
Who does Ndiaye replace 😂
Morgan Gibbs-White?
Elliot Anderson?
Anthony Elanga?
Callum Hudson-Odoi?
@@gavinbrown7336 Pickford is a fair shout. Ndiaye, no thanks. Lots of effort no end result. Branthwaite does nothing better than Milenkovic or Murillo.
He hasn't got a clue.... talking about 3 players over the everyone team.
Based on this season...
Could go either way with
Pickford or Sels.
Aina beats Young...
Milenkovic and Murrilo beats Branthwaite and Tarkowski...
Williams or Mykolenko could go either way, though I'd say Williams shading it.
Anderson beats Mangala
Gibbs white beats doucoure
Gueye probably beats Domingues/Yates
HudsonOdoi beats Harrison
Elanga beats Ndaiye
Wood ourscorinng broja and Calevert Lewin.
You can’t judge all Forest fans on the away lot singing a song you know a few sing it and everyone joins in that’s football but I’m with you I don’t agree with that song. Enjoy your season guys you Reds
What are your thoughts on Patterson and o brien now starting?
John, said it for me....
You just know Liverpool are going to win the league at Goodison Park.
Not on our watch they’re not !
Unfortunately there going to sing it
They’ll win the league anyway no one cares
Or lose it again
You don't have to remove the striker unless he's missing all his shots, have to figure out why he isn't having shots,no service... Figure out how to get them service... Dyche relies only having (1 or 2 ) good chances in a game to score... Teams that score goals to win need 15-20 shots on goal and at least half on target... Dyche mindset we're conceding too many goals let's play defensive instead now we still concede and don't score... He's got everything wrong... The season half way through and still unable to set this team up to play and win
"It doesn't matter who plays up front" - exactly!! Can someone confirm whether there is a early termination clause in Dyche's contract?
How is it that we have absolutely no one that can cross a ball?
The common denominator for all the players being sub par is SD. New manager and coaching team needed.
What can the fans do to get the message more clearly across to the Friedkin group that we want Dyche gone? I think they need to make themselves heard at the matches with signed and voices.
I’d like the team to answer the question of Dyche Woan and
Stone debating during the match what to do next ? Surely every decent manager should have a plan for every eventuality and there should be no need for in match discussions.
Honestly.....lads you are either totally deluded or completely naive...Your a piss poor team with championship players and your fans yesterday was awful ...you dont see the clear difference in players ,style and desire ....
Deluded the lot of ya
Good episode gents.
This man is a clown forest have a good team
Ped , when u do your starting xl's start doing the whole formation and everything how u would do it forget how dyche would maybe they might see it i dunno but no point allowing him to change our opinions
Great chat lads enjoyable listen with u three 😊UTFT💙👍
Thanks for listening Chris 👍
The guy in the glasses is delusional, apart from pickford maybe, sels has more clean sheets by the way, not one of their players gets in this forest side
Clean sheets are down to gk and defence combined not just gk so just comparing total of clean sheets is daft
@@anthonyfilgate4597 clean sheets are about a lot more than just the GK and the defenders btw
You are right Ped.
Many fans have been brainwashed into thinking Sean Dyche is like some kind of Daddy of all and if he gets removed we'll plummet.
He's only got one setting, he's only got defence mode, anything else is like asking Dracula to sunbathe.
If were ever going to play 4 3 3 AT HOME ,why don't we play a combination of either Dom,Broja,Beto,Chermiti or Ndiaye just once.
Final word , dyche do one and go.
I think Mykolenko stepped back because hes been drilled to hold position off the ball over anything else
John is the best guest / co-host...nail on head most of the time
Bournemouth game - Pickford, Young lb, Branthwaite, O’Brien, Patterson, Idrissa, Mangala, McNeil, Dixon rw, Ndiaye no10, Broja.
You reds, respect for respecting us. What a terrible atmosphere, feel for dyche tbh
Dyche has the tactical ability of a potato. What are the Friedkins waiting for? He's not going to change because he can't.
Potatoes are versatile. Douche is not. Probably be far better off with a potato as manager.
Ped is right, 1 upfront with no support is not working.
Yeah isolating your cf with hoofball is absolutely stupid, so counterproductive
Your stat with 15 goals in 18 games... Let's set the wolves game apart 11 goals in 17 games, 3 wins all season, we are once again ( extremely lucky to not be in the bottom 3 right now) can't rely on 3 worse teams.... Seriously think we are closer than we've ever been to relegation and last year we had 8 points deducted. Club might have new owners but we are a mess on the pitch.
Only Pickford could get in forest team, worse squad than wolves
How many Everton players would get into the Forest team?? Pickford plus who ?
Ndiaye. Branthwaite.
@@simondalzell5635😂
Would Branthwaite get in the Brazil squad? Murillo is 🤔
Ndiaye over MGW? 🤦🏻♂️
Agree - Branthwaite and possibly Ndiaye, but nobody else. Don’t think they would want to swap managers , would they?
Pickford over Matz? No. He’s been outstanding for Forest
@@simondalzell5635 Ndaiye isn't better than Hudson Odoi. Branthwaite isn't better than either Milenkovic or Murillo. Next.
Is John on drugs😂 did he really say go and pick what players get in the Everton team from Forest you’d only get 1 or 2 😆 that most ridiculous comment of the year I’ve heard from anyone not just on TTV, every player except Pickford and JB in the Forest team gets.
Boys I really enjoy the show but I turned off after that
I don't even reckon branthwaite gets in the forest team, their CBs are quality.
@@MurphEfc 👏🏻
Broja is no better than DCL even Messi would struggle with our game plan
Brilliant review lads.
Fair play to Forest but they're not that much better than us they've just got pace on the break and well coached by a good progressive manager and his staff. We need to make the first step by getting rid of this manager as well as injecting speed into this team which is criminal we've gone so long without. Our defence is fine midfield ok when all fit but our forwards are poorly coached and lack quality. New left back who overlaps and a right winger in Jan desperately needed. If they can go from 17th to 2nd in 6 months it demonstrates it can be done over to you Freidkins act now ! Mykolenkos been dreadful most of the season swear his feet are shaped like battered shovels must be having seen his crossing, him Doucoure and Harrison cannot start again hope they're all told to find new clubs next month.
Dyche OUT! 3 wins all season! Why is Daniel Freidkin not listening to me??
Over from Belfast to support and watch my team again and seriously don't think I will be back again this season to watch this poor side, absolute crime of a team 😢
Honestly, keep this brief, he needs to go. Simple. Football has evolved, teams score goals. Playing for the clean sheet at home and every game is beyond pathetic. Snooze fest now. I’m bored of it, this is not what Everton’s footy is
My dad & I will always look forward to games however it’s a weird looking forward to them can’t explain it and creds to u Ped you’ve said it all along he is not a good manager.
It was all going well until the "Notts Forest"...divided fan base, divided club and divided panel. I really do like Everton as a club with its traditions. Keep with it, you should reap the rewards with FFP in a year or so when the new ground opens up..providing you can fill it. Good luck! Up the toffees!