Feedback from mechanics and end users should be treasured, feedback is the main path to improvement. Curiosity is crucial to exploring new avenues of improvement.
Facts man, people buy these high dollar cars and want to put eBay parts on it. Doesn't make sense to me. Great, informative video. You guys are awesome!
You guys are straight, direct to the point, no bs. Constantly trying little things to evolve the lt4 platform or whatever the challenge at hand. Give real life results good or bad, just kinda lay out your thought process and why and that to me says a shit ton about your company in general. I'm still playing with h/c 4th gens just for fun to keep trying stupid little stuff and the general consensus is my car has hidden n20 somewhere....no need 😄. Just love focusing on little details and improving no matter the platform. I also race motorcycles on a professional level and almost enjoy stuff like this more.
I was very interested in this lid. 26hp before a tune? I called the shop and spoke to an employee. I asked what the return policy was for this lid if it doesn't make a solid gain. I said that the lid will be going on a lt4, zl1 with kong port X, cam, f.b.o, etc. The dyno will be performed back to back, same day and a Cool down long enough to swap the lid. He sId that this black lid will only gain 10hp over the taller factory zl1 lid. His actual words were maybe 10hp over the factory, zl1 lid. I respect his honesty
Of course and thank you. Yes gains are entirely dependent of the setup, obviously a FBO car will not pick up the same as a max effort car on meth and E.
you guys are phenomenal at what you do keep it up stay on the grind great video. I dont know why people consistantly argue with you guys and lund racing. you both own multiple world and micro records.
So you're making stuff you're self because you're just smarter and better than everyone else. I totally believe you. Sounds like the world just doesn't understand they need to listen to everything you say 😉. Do like the lid though. Looks good just don't know how it could possibly change anything.
DSX lid. I have an MPI lid its amazing great build quality.LOUD ASF WHINE, But good luck getting technical insight if u need it hard to get ahold of them. I'd say go with these guys they seem to be much more involved and greater understanding of our cars.
Give it a year bro. The interest rates have only been high for 6 months. All those fools who paid the inflated price on their leases or finance deals during the pandemic, are now gonna be getting squeezed not from the car loan, but all their other loans are going to be high interest. Same with all the people who still think they can sell it for kind of a price. What happens now is new people who are looking to buy from today onwards are not going to be able to afford loans or finance at the current High interest. That means there is going to be no buyer pool. People in over their head money wise + no buyer pool at current interest rate = used market price drop. It has already slowly started, but he patient, give it 12 more months, the prices will drop a lot. In that 12 months save your money and you'll have a huge amount down. That's when you know if you really want to spend money like that.
It does not, but we have had customers clearance the brace slightly to fit. Most remove the factory brace anyways as it’s not structural and doesn’t look the best.
You should re-tune when adding it yes. When we didn’t touch the tune in the video and straight swapped it was leaner/meaning more air when putting it on. You can always wait to re-tune until you’re next round of mods instead of just tuning for the lid.
@@LateModelPerformance thanks for the reply. I’m really done with all modding. Just looking for that last 20hp to break into the 9’s. Currently at 10.2@138. I sent u a question on ur website about purchasing one. Thanks.
@@dansherwood9851 Did you end up getting one? If so, what are your thoughts? I was gonna go with a DSX or MPI at first but I’m leaning heavily toward this one.
We’ve never tested one on a stock vehicle and so we won’t make claims that it will pick up any. Power gains is dependent on other modifications. This is a must have if you are trying to squeeze every last HP out of your build.
yeah okay 50+whp from a lid swap 🤣, I sense some tuning was done prior to testing out that second lid.. Cutting and Editing video is an amazing thing 🤫
My wife has a v sport. She is wanting a new car, so I'll get her a new one and tune the v sport. It would be way cheaper than my v. When someone beats my v, I'll tell them let me get my wife's v6. I don't want to throw $30k at my v to make it faster.
We have hub dyno and dyno jet. We have access to an engine dyno if needed, but since all setups and builds are in house there is no need for us to have one.
Nothing in the tune was touched as we talk about after the pull. It was straight back to back and we even show it was slightly leaner and could probably use more fuel.
I agree. 10hp or just over for the price isn't a gain that you would really see results from. Especially if you already have a 800 plus H.P car. It's too bad because if it gained 25 plus I would buy two.
Hub dyno’s have been around for 20+ years. We have a hub dyno and dyno jet (with wheels on) however the hub dyno is needed for big power stuff 1,000-3,000whp+. There is no wheel spin on a hub dyno and we can simulate 1/8th mile and 1/4 mile passes just like at the track. Which is key to dialing in shift points and thus cuts down time testing at the track.
Hey guys I got the lid. It works. The shop doing my car though it was a waste. Now it’s the highest whp car they have done
Proof is in the pudding! Thanks for that 💪
On what car? Mods? What year and what lid did you have before? That matters because this shoo told me only 10hp over the taller factory zl1 lid.
Feedback from mechanics and end users should be treasured,
feedback is the main path to improvement.
Curiosity is crucial to exploring new avenues of improvement.
Facts man, people buy these high dollar cars and want to put eBay parts on it. Doesn't make sense to me. Great, informative video. You guys are awesome!
You guys are straight, direct to the point, no bs. Constantly trying little things to evolve the lt4 platform or whatever the challenge at hand. Give real life results good or bad, just kinda lay out your thought process and why and that to me says a shit ton about your company in general. I'm still playing with h/c 4th gens just for fun to keep trying stupid little stuff and the general consensus is my car has hidden n20 somewhere....no need 😄. Just love focusing on little details and improving no matter the platform. I also race motorcycles on a professional level and almost enjoy stuff like this more.
I run the LMP lid, love it. Wish I lived closer to y'all I'm down here in Alabama representing 19 ZL1 10 speed
Great work as always! There’s a reason you guys are the best in the business 😎🤘
I was very interested in this lid. 26hp before a tune? I called the shop and spoke to an employee. I asked what the return policy was for this lid if it doesn't make a solid gain. I said that the lid will be going on a lt4, zl1 with kong port X, cam, f.b.o, etc. The dyno will be performed back to back, same day and a Cool down long enough to swap the lid. He sId that this black lid will only gain 10hp over the taller factory zl1 lid. His actual words were maybe 10hp over the factory, zl1 lid. I respect his honesty
Of course and thank you. Yes gains are entirely dependent of the setup, obviously a FBO car will not pick up the same as a max effort car on meth and E.
@@LateModelPerformance that's what he said. I was disappointed just hoping for that 20+ hp gain. Honesty is appreciated and love your content.
When you are looking for every last whp it's definitely needed and worth it. Good luck with the build!
you guys are phenomenal at what you do keep it up stay on the grind great video. I dont know why people consistantly argue with you guys and lund racing. you both own multiple world and micro records.
Owner of this car is pretty chill. Met him at the meet and greet Thursday before the event at cadillac attack. Pretty cool to see his car on here
Thank you for showing proof and giving out good info, reason you guys are successful for a reason
Can’t argue with results. Adding this to the build list.
was that a dsx lid in the first pull?
I have the Weapon X lid on my c7 z06. Probably would have purchased this one if I had seen this video beforehand. Hope I have the same results.
Lid def works…hit a wall 60-130 wise. Swapped the 19’ lid and same night dropped .2 tenths
You swapped to a 19 lid or to the lmp lid? Also what’s done to your car? Thanks 👍🏼
@@ArcticZ1 swapped the 19’ lid to the LMP lid. And FBO sealed motor at the time.
@@iAbdosh ported blower?
You have to tune it? What was the gain and it was from a 19.lid? What car?
Can’t argue with results,my cars are flying 😊
So you're making stuff you're self because you're just smarter and better than everyone else. I totally believe you. Sounds like the world just doesn't understand they need to listen to everything you say 😉. Do like the lid though. Looks good just don't know how it could possibly change anything.
what motor oil do you guys run or recommend for the LT1/LT4 cars you guys build?
Good video. Have you guys tried MPI LT4 lids?
I have bone stock 2019 CTSV I want to upgrade the lid will I need a tune? And I will see gains just from changing the lid no other mods at the moment?
*Science*
Me: yes, YES, YAAAASSSS!!!
Was that an MPI lid that you started with?
DSX lid. I have an MPI lid its amazing great build quality.LOUD ASF WHINE, But good luck getting technical insight if u need it hard to get ahold of them. I'd say go with these guys they seem to be much more involved and greater understanding of our cars.
Great vid,
What is the science behind it that makes this increase in the power?
the science is tuning the car before showing the actual dyno results 🤣
@@DennnnnnnY I thought so :)
My dream car right there geez
The used prices of these Vs is crazy
Give it a year bro. The interest rates have only been high for 6 months. All those fools who paid the inflated price on their leases or finance deals during the pandemic, are now gonna be getting squeezed not from the car loan, but all their other loans are going to be high interest.
Same with all the people who still think they can sell it for kind of a price.
What happens now is new people who are looking to buy from today onwards are not going to be able to afford loans or finance at the current High interest. That means there is going to be no buyer pool.
People in over their head money wise + no buyer pool at current interest rate = used market price drop. It has already slowly started, but he patient, give it 12 more months, the prices will drop a lot.
In that 12 months save your money and you'll have a huge amount down. That's when you know if you really want to spend money like that.
Lol, everything is screwed. I wouldn't even pay attention to that noise.
Not knocking on the gains. But it would have been nice to show advance and afr of both runs and added fuel to make both runs identical for legitimacy.
We did after the pulls. Our LMP lid was slightly leaner we even talk about it 11:42
I would purchase one for my ZLE!
Does the LMP Lids ONLY come with a package? Or could we order them stand-alone?
No you can buy them by them self. We have a link in the description
@@LateModelPerformance If it was a snake, it would have bitten me! Thank you!
When will this lid be back in stock? Does it fit C7 zo6?
yes all LT4 and give us a call we can get you one as soon as the next batch is done.
Is there any serial numbers yo know 100% sure that the lid on a super is the actual one that came from the factory with the car?
No, but factory GM lids are pretty easy to tell.
Can I order a lid or only in house builds?
Yes of course you can. We have a link in the description
Nice job, my LSA gained 20hp with a Forced Induction Interchillers Lid Spacer.
Wish i was closer id take my car there
We are just a transport truck away 🙌
I have a 17 zl1 ported blower pulleys, 103tb , cai,headers… would i benefit or net any gains? You guys keep rocking
Yes you would probably 10-15 whp
Same here. Send me one muey pronto!
10hp to 15hp for $1,100..
Change a pulley for more boost at a much cheaper cost.
This won't clear the shock tower brace on my V3, correct?
It does not, but we have had customers clearance the brace slightly to fit. Most remove the factory brace anyways as it’s not structural and doesn’t look the best.
So would I need a retune on my ZL1 to make this work? It already has a cam, LT’s, pullies, ported tb and sc.
You should re-tune when adding it yes. When we didn’t touch the tune in the video and straight swapped it was leaner/meaning more air when putting it on. You can always wait to re-tune until you’re next round of mods instead of just tuning for the lid.
@@LateModelPerformance thanks for the reply. I’m really done with all modding. Just looking for that last 20hp to break into the 9’s. Currently at 10.2@138. I sent u a question on ur website about purchasing one. Thanks.
@@dansherwood9851 Did you end up getting one? If so, what are your thoughts? I was gonna go with a DSX or MPI at first but I’m leaning heavily toward this one.
@@redpil1le____461 these folks said they MAY have a sale this fall so I’m waiting a bit to c if they do.
Where’s the timing table
How does your lid compare to a dsx lid? I currently am running the dsx one.
They’re too nice to throw companies parts or names under the bus, but Idgaf lol if you watch that was a dsx lid that was on the car.
@@Bsaint yup that was a dsx lid for sure.
How much does a lid cost?
lmpofmd.com/c-1389425-lmp-products-lt4-supercharger-lid.html
Was that a dsx lid originally?
Yes
What would be expected on a stock LT4 ZL1 w/out tuning? And how does this lid effect blower wine?
We’ve never tested one on a stock vehicle and so we won’t make claims that it will pick up any. Power gains is dependent on other modifications. This is a must have if you are trying to squeeze every last HP out of your build.
@@LateModelPerformance looks like it's time to try it out 🫣
@LateModelPerformance silly question I know ..... fits c7z too ?
that computer screen tho
Please question:
Under 3000 rpm Are the torque and HP lower with the black lid ?
It’s looks lower as I see in the chart 12:00
Badass. Out of curiosity is it as loud as a dsx lid?
It doesn’t say on your website but you mentioned in the video, it’s a tune required lid?
@@360_outdoors4 he said, if you're trying to squeeze every bit of hp, this lid is a must have.
yeah okay 50+whp from a lid swap 🤣, I sense some tuning was done prior to testing out that second lid.. Cutting and Editing video is an amazing thing 🤫
It was like 14-15hp gain
Proof is in the pudding!! Lt4 master shop, love your vids guys!! Need more tho lol!
The evidence speaks for itself
There's a stock internal 4200 running 9s. Nice build though.
These are stock internals as well just bolt on cars. Not even a cam
@@LateModelPerformance Oh, damn. Extra nice, I thought this was a fully built engine.
Nope full bolt on stock everything not even opened up
@@LateModelPerformance So do you guys experience a bit of trail off, at peak power because of the stock cams or is it a constant curve?
Will a new lid on my 2017 zo6 make a difference just the lid
It’s highly dependent on the mods. If it’s bone stock, probably not much if at all. If it has pulleys, intake etc then yes it will make a difference.
My bolt on ATS-V does 9.95 at 137mph.... my CTSV is much slower. lol
My wife has a v sport. She is wanting a new car, so I'll get her a new one and tune the v sport. It would be way cheaper than my v.
When someone beats my v, I'll tell them let me get my wife's v6. I don't want to throw $30k at my v to make it faster.
Cadillac are not reliable...😂
You guys have a bench dyno or just the chassis dyno?
We have hub dyno and dyno jet. We have access to an engine dyno if needed, but since all setups and builds are in house there is no need for us to have one.
Sweeeeet
fueling was close to each other.
prolly tweaked timing a bit between the 2.
there are way better things to drop $1000 on for a few h.p
Nothing in the tune was touched as we talk about after the pull. It was straight back to back and we even show it was slightly leaner and could probably use more fuel.
I agree. 10hp or just over for the price isn't a gain that you would really see results from. Especially if you already have a 800 plus H.P car. It's too bad because if it gained 25 plus I would buy two.
Men lie women lie numbers don’t LMP ftw
Less = more
I must be getn old...when did people start dynoing cars without the rear tires?? Lol
Hub dyno’s have been around for 20+ years. We have a hub dyno and dyno jet (with wheels on) however the hub dyno is needed for big power stuff 1,000-3,000whp+. There is no wheel spin on a hub dyno and we can simulate 1/8th mile and 1/4 mile passes just like at the track. Which is key to dialing in shift points and thus cuts down time testing at the track.
@@LateModelPerformance NICE!!!!!!
Too much tank borring video
Move on tool