If the Offense trends upward over the last 5 games, give Grubb another season with a short leash. If not, thank him for his one season of service and send him on his way.
I was reliably informed by UW homers on your old station that Grubb would "dominate" as the offensive coordinator. They don't win this week, they might not win until after Christmas. Not many awful teams to pile up wins against are left on the schedule. (Just the Bears)
Not so sure about Sam Darnold. I mean he's fine but he's not an upgrade over Geno. Sure he's 7 years younger but I'm not sure how much that matters if we only want him as a bridge. Cutting Geno has a 13 million dead cap hit if which will offset any savings by signing Darnold. The most prudent cap move is to extend Geno to a reasonable contract. If Darnold brought JJ, TJ Hockenson and KOC with him it would be one thing but that isn't the case. Of course, if Geno wants a top contract, then that changes things.
@@bretkester8316 Agreed, but I'm not convinced Darnold will be cheaper. He seems to be set up to be the top FA QB in 2025 and will have nice stats provided by playing in KOCs system with Justin Jefferson, Addison and Hockenson. Someone will give him a fat contract.
Hiring a rookie OC was a huge mistake in the first place, especially for a mediocre QB and abysmal OL. Beyond those, going 0 for 8 on the half yard line is inexcusable. Is Laviska gets cut for fumbling twice, Grubb should be fired for his inability to get his crew to move the ball a yard (on multiple occasions).
Remember before the season hearing about how Grubb is an offensive mastermind and a big o-line guy and Scott Huff is an amazing offensive line coach? They should be able to scheme around the weaknesses like other teams, and neither of these guys seem to be able to get even mediocre play from the players.
Geno has been stellar. Every time we need a drive at the end to score, Geno gets it done. Geno has no line, no run game, and a highly overrated receiving core
@@BigNutsBabystellar? Were you not around in '19 when pff ranked the oline 27th yet the team could run and score. Respectfully this is not stellar football. Stellar football is the bengals who are fifth in scoring with an even worse run game and even worse interior oline.
I think it's a combo of holding ball a bit long, too long of some play development and O line but I do wonder how good Grubb would be doing with strong line I do agree with to much dancing by K9 but he may be just trying to stay alive because of pressure. Good discussion guys 👍
Grubb's coaching scheme is simply one dimensional, his play calling is currently hindering them, rather than just their offensive line as the main issue, the evidence is clear he’s not changed his philosophy, he’s doing the exact same thing he did at UW. Geno is in shotgun absolutely way too much, and there is no play action, or any other creativity in mixing things up to help out their o line overall with a viable run game instead of having to be in pass protection most all of the time. Grubb was hired based on that he was going to be a coaching guru that would be delivering a high powered offense. He has definitely not, and he should have progressed their offense far beyond what it is by now. Looking at the results for what he has done at this point for what he is supposed to be touted as, he has certainly not lived up to the level of expectations at all. Yes their offensive line is really bad, he’s new, etc., but not so bad that he can’t make major adjustments to his philosophy to significantly compensate for their o line weakness. Grubb doesn’t need to have more time to develop, he has already shown his true colors. Grubb is literally worse than Waldron was. As soon as the season ends,the time is nigh for real change at the OC position.
Well, it would be the second offensive coordinator. Geno Smith got fired how many coordinators before they decide it’s not the coordinators but the quarterback he seems like he has plenty of talent, but there’s just something lacking when they get near the end zone same thing under last year‘s OC you can talk about game-winning drives, but if you score points during the rest of the games, you won’t need those game-winning drives . last year Seattle’s offense scored 34 offensive touchdowns total with Geno Smith in there and they’re on pace for maybe that much this year maybe a little less.
The problem is besides the game against Arizona they’ve been playing behind. So the splits are a little misleading because most of the offensive snaps this year have been when behind in the second half. I understand what he’s trying to say but I just don’t agree that it’s that cut and dried
Anyone who thought it was just going to be perfect in year one was insane. New OC who's never been in the NFL. Growing pains. He shown improvement. OL has not done him any favors. You can't keep resetting coaches year after year. That hasn't work with any team in NFL history. I think he get a bit throw happy. But he was throw happy in college. I'd give them 2 years. It's not an easy offense to run. It took the Washington (college) a year to get the system down. Does he need to make changes sure. Sometimes it best to not call long developing plays every snap in the NFL. Yet when Seattle gets any OL play at all the offense works. Plus Seattle has played some very good defenses this year. Go defenses against a rookie OC. He has to learn just like the players.
Everyone wants to blame the OC but the common thread for the past 15 years is john schneider who is responsible for never drafting quality OL. Our offense was only good with wilson at QB because he was mobile and with lynch because he was a HoF back.
As was in the video, other teams are having like problems but their offenses are still producing. Steelers linemen have been grading similarly yet their offense is doing much better. There aren’t a lot of good lines in the NFL. There just aren’t very many good linemen coming into the draft compared to normal. That excuse doesn’t work with Grubb and the play calling being so horrible/looking lost at times.
The fish rots from the head down. Grubb is an NFL DUD. This level is beyond his skilset and none of his small college experience nor his 2 yrs at Washington could prepare him for this level. 13 games in, not a single assertive orchestrated offensive win that didn’t require his QB and HC coming n for the save. Solely to hang this on the offensive line requires ignoring way too much and choosing to ignore the elephant in the room. Seems a decent enough guy but this league is not for the innocent or the decades long college indoctrinated coach who’s never actually played the game or not at a level anyone can take seriously. YMMV ✌️
Grubb is an oline coach with his oline coach. He needs to show something and fast -or- he needs detroits oline which only took 4+ years to get. So start over at oline and wait five years and hope it hits?
@@bretkester8316 Steelers offense is in the hands of an experienced nfl coach, unlike Grubb and Huff....also they were never down to their fourth string RT....and the playcalling is not horrible just unsuccessful many times due to the weakness of the o line...Grubb can't even open up his whole offense due to that....
@@gmichaelhall nonsense...you cannot judge an OC's effectiveness after only 12 games...especially one who has to deal with the o line ineffectiveness and inexperience plus injuries...they had to play with a fourth string RT!!!.....and a starter on the O line that wasn't really ready and then retired midseason...i don't care who you put at OC, the players have to be able to execute a gameplan and it's clear the o line has only barely reached that level this year so far....give the whole offense time to play as a unit to gain cohesion-especially the line-and then Grubb will be able to use his whole playbook...after next season we should know more about his ability at this level...also, four years at Fresno St before Washington is not small college experience...
Let's get real. The Guards and center are bad (very bad sometimes) at run blocking. And we have only 2 legit threats that catch the ball (Walker is the 3rd). We don't have a legit threat at TE (not since Jimmy Graham). Locket is slowly fading into retirement. And the rest of the WR's are non-existent. Walker runs around alot trying to find holes to run through. When was the last time we had a 1000 yard rusher -been awhile.
Offensive line is horrible at run blocking. No push at all. 2 great RBs with no blocking. Geno has amazing moments but overall very erratic. 13 TD and 12 INT through 12 games is unimpressive. Grubb is doing just fine. Limited by o line and QB level of play clearly.
DK. If you are tired running 30 yards, then get out of the NFL. I ran cross country is high school we'd running 5 miles than after we were done with that, we can 10, 100-yard wind sprints. After a while you weren't tired. You were trained. Maybe DK needs to be trained to not get tired after running 30 yards:)
So on the drive they didn't score 3 times they could have scored. 2 bad passes by Geno. And the DB tackle DK. What do you want the OC to do. The Jets even with their Rodgers problem is a very good defense. OC called 3 plays out of 8 that should have scored. That's pretty good against a very good defense. Two of those were at the 4-yard line. Seattle should have scored had Geno been better. Then no one is crying over 8 plays and no TD.
K9 has always been an outside runner. Soonish fans will need to reconcile that you can't run the offense through him and he will never be a tone setter.
The Hawks don't run any play-action. Yes, there is a total lack of creativity by Grubb and yes, the win against the Jets was ugly and nothing to feel good about as all the local TH-camrs would have you believe.
Not out. I think he is working with what he has. The line is ok on passes, terrible on runs. Horrific on the goal line. Seattle should just commit several delay of game penalties when they’re inside the five to give Geno and the receivers some room. The line literally cannot move ANYONE on runs. What’s Grubb supposed to do with that?
Work with it and around it. Not be predictable. Other teams have horrible offensive lines and their OC’s can at least make SOMETHING out of their offenses.
Honestly, I think Grubb is a scapegoat here. Mike could have fired this guy at any point, and maybe he does if we lose the AZ game (because playoffs are effectively over for us if we do), but he hasn't yet. I have seen Mike not be afraid to cut anyone on this team, but he can't fire an offensive coordinator who is clearly not playing ball the way he wants? I don't buy it. I think Mike and Grubb have talked about the issues and it's not Grubb. Maybe I am wrong, but that is the gut feeling I have. I think there is a very good reason why Zach is getting the ball, but people don't want to hear it. If it really is Grubb and Mike is just not willing to fire him or get him help because we "might" win the division and make the playoffs then the stuff Mike preaches is BS. So again, I don't buy it. Also, the Bulleit old fashioned cocktail premix is really good. I just add a shot of premium bourbon and it's G2G.
It is as Rob pointed out to me John's decision not mike's. I love k9. Loved him in the draft. Loved his rookie year. We may not be thinking exactly the same thing but i think we are close as to why charb gets the ball on short yardage.
Isn't it the job of the OC and his staff to teach and develop the blocking? By now, 12 games in things should be getting better and not worse if they were doing a good job developing. They can't scheme or develop is what is being screamed from the mountaintop. This cannot be laid entirely on the lap of the players like is being suggested here. Players will improve and rise up when coached well--and the evidence for this is endless and we see it every year. So, Grubb and his staff are failing on every metric of how good OCs and coaches are judged. This is obvious stuff and is self evident. Saying, "give Grubb time and he will figure it out" is a model that has very little support of being good. Look at Shane Waldron---we tried the "hold and hopium" strategy for 2.5 years after it was clear he did not have good OC character--and likely never would. Now look at Waldron--evaporated. How many years were wasted on Waldron hopium by two different teams? This hopium model does not work. A team must have metrics by which an OC can be properly judged and then go with it. By any metric, Grubb just doesn't have it. Don't waste more time. The team should insert Jake Peetz and move on from Grubb after the AZ game, and then see what qualities Peetz has by year end to get a jump start on planning for next year.
I struggle to get why JS would hire a first year OC with 0 college experience just to dump him after the year, I might think that but for him this seems like a multi year investment especially with how bad the talent level is on the Oline rn
It was late in the hiring process and the other options were gone. They were supposed to hire Arthur Smith with Macdonald but the Ravens kept winning and he took the Steelers job. Grubb was convenient at UW. If it’s not working, isn’t going to work, and Macdonald is done, then they need to move on. Carroll did the same thing. (Literally 20 seconds after I submit it, Rob mentions it all)
Plans change. I'm sure Pete Carroll didn't hire Jeremy Bates expecting it to last one year. And I doubt they made long term plans with a coach who'd never worked in the NFL before, the chances are it might simply not work
It's not John's call. Why would a head HC have the gm tell him who his coaches are? Neither harbaugh, reid, mcvay, carrol, holmgren, etc would have that.
@@iron_bison John stated he controls the coaching hires now, where as in the past Carroll did. Let's also note -- Macdonald is a first year coach with limited contacts. That was very different for Harbaugh, Reid, Carroll and Holmgren. For all we know, McVay did take advice.
Listening to these couch coaches is just maddening. Most have no football experience, much less pro football. (I’m talking about the comments here). Football is a TEAM game. One small position group underperforms and the offense or defense CAN NOT function as designed. You can’t judge a coach , or QB or coordinator when one position group is at the bottom of the league based purely on the roster talent. Many QB’s are labeled BUST because they get drafted by the worst team in the league. Many fine coaches get run out of town because they are given an impossible situation based on the talent in their roster. Grubb is a talented offensive mind . He has forgotten more about football than most of these clowns will ever know. The God Damn Seahawks are currently leading the NFC west with a o line that leaks on every single play. They were picked to win 6-7 games this season based on the pre season roster. Leave Grubb alone , he’s doing fine.
The Darnold point is so logical and makes perfect sense. I could easily see the Hawks dump Geno, sign Darnold to a Baker type deal like Rob laid out, and then draft a guy like Quinn Ewers on day 2 of the draft to sit behind him for a couple years.
There's no practical difference between Darnold and Geno. Both are capable of great games and backbreaking interceptions. Darnold is looking good in Minnesota but he has the superior Oline, offensive coaching, receiving core and running game. He's not bringing all of that with him. The only way I see it happening is if Geno gets greedy and demands a huge contract.
@@rdrouynrivi'm sure you listened. Minesota doesn't have a superior oline. Fractionally better maybe. Jsn and dk should be enough. I know folks want to bag on dk but one of those wr's was daffted in jefferson's range and it's not dk. There is one big difference. Nearly seven years in age. Now is oconnell a better offensive mind than grubb? That's a whole other issue.
@@iron_bison from watching the 22 defenses are playing a lot of 2 high shell too lock down the pass game and force the run, we can criticize the lack of creativity and certain play calls but when u have the worst interior Oline in the league there's only so much u can do
@@willgreig4077you sure about that? Or is that just something people say to say? Spoiler. Cincy's interior has a worse aggregate score than seattle's and they are fifth in scoring. Texans aggregate score is 4.5 points better or 1.5 per player better on pff. They are 12 in scoring. 16 in rush offense. So between Houston and Cincy yet we are 14th in scoring and 27th in rush.
How is Darnold any different than Geno? Maybe if he's cheaper, but he has about the same stats with a better receiving core, better offensive coaching, better oline and better running game. I'm not entirely convinced he'll be cheaper if he continues to put up stats.
@@justinland1208or.....geno has just been found out by the league? Or John is the worst gm for not resigning Lewis since geno was miles better in '22.
@@iron_bison or… Grubb is incompetent. Geno doesn’t coach the line or make the running back bad. Geno doesn’t pick the plays or decide to be in shotgun 70% of the time. Honestly you should feel embarrassed.
@@justinland1208why would i feel embarrassed arguing with a person like yourself who doesn't know what a audible is or what a qb does. Is geno a small child and Grubb puts him in a car seat and cuts his food? Get a grip..."feel embarassed." Poor old Geno doesn't have the ability as a grown man making millions to adjust plays made by a guy with zero years of nfl experience.
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Nice job getting Rob Staton regularly, it's great to see someone with an opinion and who can defend it with arguments.
Love the weekly Rob Spot!!!!!!
I'm glad Rob enjoyed our hospitality at Derby over the weekend. Keep up the great work Rob & Jason. Go Hawks 🙂
Love having Jim around for Rob segment! Keep up the great work all!
If the Offense trends upward over the last 5 games, give Grubb another season with a short leash. If not, thank him for his one season of service and send him on his way.
Blame Geno.
Great to have Jim aboard for this.
Love the weekly Staton spot
I was reliably informed by UW homers on your old station that Grubb would "dominate" as the offensive coordinator. They don't win this week, they might not win until after Christmas. Not many awful teams to pile up wins against are left on the schedule. (Just the Bears)
Robs the best Seahawks analyst out there 👍
You need to watch top billin if you think this guy is the best
@@darrellwoodson7904top billin' is running a grift. An eagles fan who makes hawks videos cause they do better than his eagles content.
@@darrellwoodson7904 LOL
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@@darrellwoodson7904Totally!
Always enjoy this segment!
I'm bummed but not shocked that we're having this conversation about our rookie oc in December.
Always appointment listening with the 2 of you
Not so sure about Sam Darnold. I mean he's fine but he's not an upgrade over Geno. Sure he's 7 years younger but I'm not sure how much that matters if we only want him as a bridge. Cutting Geno has a 13 million dead cap hit if which will offset any savings by signing Darnold. The most prudent cap move is to extend Geno to a reasonable contract. If Darnold brought JJ, TJ Hockenson and KOC with him it would be one thing but that isn't the case. Of course, if Geno wants a top contract, then that changes things.
Neither are good enough so cheaper and younger isn’t a bad choice to make. Bridges aren’t the end goal so why put more money in them than you have to?
@@bretkester8316 Agreed, but I'm not convinced Darnold will be cheaper. He seems to be set up to be the top FA QB in 2025 and will have nice stats provided by playing in KOCs system with Justin Jefferson, Addison and Hockenson. Someone will give him a fat contract.
Rob is spot on. Grubb is where the buck stops. His play calling and scheme creativity are obviously limited.
Peace to everyone
Hiring a rookie OC was a huge mistake in the first place, especially for a mediocre QB and abysmal OL. Beyond those, going 0 for 8 on the half yard line is inexcusable. Is Laviska gets cut for fumbling twice, Grubb should be fired for his inability to get his crew to move the ball a yard (on multiple occasions).
They can't block, but WHO's teaching them?
Why is the Seahawks' offense getting worse later in the season?
Other coaches are figuring out Grubb but he is not figuring them out
I love Jim asking Rob if he got in the fans' face! Hahaha, that's why he's always been the GOAT!
Lol Staton not built like that. Internet confrontation is one thing
Remember before the season hearing about how Grubb is an offensive mastermind and a big o-line guy and Scott Huff is an amazing offensive line coach? They should be able to scheme around the weaknesses like other teams, and neither of these guys seem to be able to get even mediocre play from the players.
Geno has definitely taken a step back this year
He’s gonna have a hot streak to end the season
Great stuff Rob is great to
Clearly Puck blames Geno more than he blames Grubb for the collapse of the offense...
Geno has been stellar. Every time we need a drive at the end to score, Geno gets it done. Geno has no line, no run game, and a highly overrated receiving core
@@BigNutsBabystellar? Were you not around in '19 when pff ranked the oline 27th yet the team could run and score.
Respectfully this is not stellar football. Stellar football is the bengals who are fifth in scoring with an even worse run game and even worse interior oline.
I get the data analysis side of this convo but like Puck said, with a line this bad the offense is hamstrung every game.
I think it's a combo of holding ball a bit long, too long of some play development and O line but I do wonder how good Grubb would be doing with strong line I do agree with to much dancing by K9 but he may be just trying to stay alive because of pressure. Good discussion guys 👍
Grubb's coaching scheme is simply one dimensional, his play calling is currently hindering them, rather than just their offensive line as the main issue, the evidence is clear he’s not changed his philosophy, he’s doing the exact same thing he did at UW.
Geno is in shotgun absolutely way too much, and there is no play action, or any other creativity in mixing things up to help out their o line overall with a viable run game instead of having to be in pass protection most all of the time.
Grubb was hired based on that he was going to be a coaching guru that would be delivering a high powered offense. He has definitely not, and he should have progressed their offense far beyond what it is by now.
Looking at the results for what he has done at this point for what he is supposed to be touted as, he has certainly not lived up to the level of expectations at all.
Yes their offensive line is really bad, he’s new, etc., but not so bad that he can’t make major adjustments to his philosophy to significantly compensate for their o line weakness.
Grubb doesn’t need to have more time to develop, he has already shown his true colors.
Grubb is literally worse than Waldron was. As soon as the season ends,the time is nigh for real change at the OC position.
Well, it would be the second offensive coordinator. Geno Smith got fired how many coordinators before they decide it’s not the coordinators but the quarterback he seems like he has plenty of talent, but there’s just something lacking when they get near the end zone same thing under last year‘s OC you can talk about game-winning drives, but if you score points during the rest of the games, you won’t need those game-winning drives . last year Seattle’s offense scored 34 offensive touchdowns total with Geno Smith in there and they’re on pace for maybe that much this year maybe a little less.
The problem is besides the game against Arizona they’ve been playing behind. So the splits are a little misleading because most of the offensive snaps this year have been when behind in the second half. I understand what he’s trying to say but I just don’t agree that it’s that cut and dried
Anyone who thought it was just going to be perfect in year one was insane. New OC who's never been in the NFL. Growing pains. He shown improvement. OL has not done him any favors. You can't keep resetting coaches year after year. That hasn't work with any team in NFL history. I think he get a bit throw happy. But he was throw happy in college. I'd give them 2 years. It's not an easy offense to run. It took the Washington (college) a year to get the system down. Does he need to make changes sure. Sometimes it best to not call long developing plays every snap in the NFL. Yet when Seattle gets any OL play at all the offense works. Plus Seattle has played some very good defenses this year. Go defenses against a rookie OC. He has to learn just like the players.
Everyone wants to blame the OC but the common thread for the past 15 years is john schneider who is responsible for never drafting quality OL. Our offense was only good with wilson at QB because he was mobile and with lynch because he was a HoF back.
We won't a offensive line for Christmas
Are they perhaps playing Geno into a much less contract?
We need to have a functional O-Line B4 we pass judgement and throw Grubb outta the V/Mac.
As was in the video, other teams are having like problems but their offenses are still producing. Steelers linemen have been grading similarly yet their offense is doing much better.
There aren’t a lot of good lines in the NFL. There just aren’t very many good linemen coming into the draft compared to normal. That excuse doesn’t work with Grubb and the play calling being so horrible/looking lost at times.
The fish rots from the head down. Grubb is an NFL DUD. This level is beyond his skilset and none of his small college experience nor his 2 yrs at Washington could prepare him for this level. 13 games in, not a single assertive orchestrated offensive win that didn’t require his QB and HC coming n for the save.
Solely to hang this on the offensive line requires ignoring way too much and choosing to ignore the elephant in the room.
Seems a decent enough guy but this league is not for the innocent or the decades long college indoctrinated coach who’s never actually played the game or not at a level anyone can take seriously. YMMV ✌️
Grubb is an oline coach with his oline coach. He needs to show something and fast -or- he needs detroits oline which only took 4+ years to get. So start over at oline and wait five years and hope it hits?
@@bretkester8316 Steelers offense is in the hands of an experienced nfl coach, unlike Grubb and Huff....also they were never down to their fourth string RT....and the playcalling is not horrible just unsuccessful many times due to the weakness of the o line...Grubb can't even open up his whole offense due to that....
@@gmichaelhall nonsense...you cannot judge an OC's effectiveness after only 12 games...especially one who has to deal with the o line ineffectiveness and inexperience plus injuries...they had to play with a fourth string RT!!!.....and a starter on the O line that wasn't really ready and then retired midseason...i don't care who you put at OC, the players have to be able to execute a gameplan and it's clear the o line has only barely reached that level this year so far....give the whole offense time to play as a unit to gain cohesion-especially the line-and then Grubb will be able to use his whole playbook...after next season we should know more about his ability at this level...also, four years at Fresno St before Washington is not small college experience...
Let's get real. The Guards and center are bad (very bad sometimes) at run blocking. And we have only 2 legit threats that catch the ball (Walker is the 3rd). We don't have a legit threat at TE (not since Jimmy Graham). Locket is slowly fading into retirement. And the rest of the WR's are non-existent. Walker runs around alot trying to find holes to run through. When was the last time we had a 1000 yard rusher -been awhile.
Seahawks 21 Arizona 17
Offensive line is horrible at run blocking. No push at all. 2 great RBs with no blocking. Geno has amazing moments but overall very erratic. 13 TD and 12 INT through 12 games is unimpressive. Grubb is doing just fine. Limited by o line and QB level of play clearly.
DK. If you are tired running 30 yards, then get out of the NFL. I ran cross country is high school we'd running 5 miles than after we were done with that, we can 10, 100-yard wind sprints. After a while you weren't tired. You were trained. Maybe DK needs to be trained to not get tired after running 30 yards:)
So on the drive they didn't score 3 times they could have scored. 2 bad passes by Geno. And the DB tackle DK. What do you want the OC to do. The Jets even with their Rodgers problem is a very good defense. OC called 3 plays out of 8 that should have scored. That's pretty good against a very good defense. Two of those were at the 4-yard line. Seattle should have scored had Geno been better. Then no one is crying over 8 plays and no TD.
We need Macintosh to play ...rb. explosive but Grubb is annoying me with the offense
Kenny mac was never explosive. Not at georgia. Not in testing.
I like Rob's arguments but the Vikings OL is top 12 and Seahawks are bottom 5.
Minnesota's pass blocking efficiency is ranked 24th. Seattle's is 29th
Top 12 Staton.
Don't you think K9 is dancing around too much. Just run more down hill I think.
K9 has always been an outside runner. Soonish fans will need to reconcile that you can't run the offense through him and he will never be a tone setter.
I've lost count of how many times I've said, "Why are you stopping your feet when you need 1 yard?"
The Hawks don't run any play-action. Yes, there is a total lack of creativity by Grubb and yes, the win against the Jets was ugly and nothing to feel good about as all the local TH-camrs would have you believe.
Not out. I think he is working with what he has. The line is ok on passes, terrible on runs. Horrific on the goal line. Seattle should just commit several delay of game penalties when they’re inside the five to give Geno and the receivers some room. The line literally cannot move ANYONE on runs. What’s Grubb supposed to do with that?
Work with it and around it. Not be predictable. Other teams have horrible offensive lines and their OC’s can at least make SOMETHING out of their offenses.
That's his job....how do people not see that. The oline was terrible in '19 and we ran and scored. I guess the problem could be the qb and rb?
Honestly, I think Grubb is a scapegoat here. Mike could have fired this guy at any point, and maybe he does if we lose the AZ game (because playoffs are effectively over for us if we do), but he hasn't yet. I have seen Mike not be afraid to cut anyone on this team, but he can't fire an offensive coordinator who is clearly not playing ball the way he wants? I don't buy it. I think Mike and Grubb have talked about the issues and it's not Grubb. Maybe I am wrong, but that is the gut feeling I have. I think there is a very good reason why Zach is getting the ball, but people don't want to hear it. If it really is Grubb and Mike is just not willing to fire him or get him help because we "might" win the division and make the playoffs then the stuff Mike preaches is BS. So again, I don't buy it.
Also, the Bulleit old fashioned cocktail premix is really good. I just add a shot of premium bourbon and it's G2G.
It is as Rob pointed out to me John's decision not mike's.
I love k9. Loved him in the draft. Loved his rookie year. We may not be thinking exactly the same thing but i think we are close as to why charb gets the ball on short yardage.
@iron_bison
Are you Staton's unpaid pr guy on you tube comment section? Lol. Nerd.
Rob is interesting, during the off season when the draft starts to become relevant.
It’s relevant now….
@@bretkester8316yet they comment everytime to let us know Rob is not interesting.....
@@iron_bison Rent free
Ryan stays
Isn't it the job of the OC and his staff to teach and develop the blocking? By now, 12 games in things should be getting better and not worse if they were doing a good job developing. They can't scheme or develop is what is being screamed from the mountaintop. This cannot be laid entirely on the lap of the players like is being suggested here. Players will improve and rise up when coached well--and the evidence for this is endless and we see it every year. So, Grubb and his staff are failing on every metric of how good OCs and coaches are judged. This is obvious stuff and is self evident. Saying, "give Grubb time and he will figure it out" is a model that has very little support of being good. Look at Shane Waldron---we tried the "hold and hopium" strategy for 2.5 years after it was clear he did not have good OC character--and likely never would. Now look at Waldron--evaporated. How many years were wasted on Waldron hopium by two different teams? This hopium model does not work. A team must have metrics by which an OC can be properly judged and then go with it. By any metric, Grubb just doesn't have it. Don't waste more time. The team should insert Jake Peetz and move on from Grubb after the AZ game, and then see what qualities Peetz has by year end to get a jump start on planning for next year.
I struggle to get why JS would hire a first year OC with 0 college experience just to dump him after the year, I might think that but for him this seems like a multi year investment especially with how bad the talent level is on the Oline rn
It was late in the hiring process and the other options were gone. They were supposed to hire Arthur Smith with Macdonald but the Ravens kept winning and he took the Steelers job. Grubb was convenient at UW.
If it’s not working, isn’t going to work, and Macdonald is done, then they need to move on. Carroll did the same thing.
(Literally 20 seconds after I submit it, Rob mentions it all)
Plans change. I'm sure Pete Carroll didn't hire Jeremy Bates expecting it to last one year. And I doubt they made long term plans with a coach who'd never worked in the NFL before, the chances are it might simply not work
Likely John's hire
It's not John's call. Why would a head HC have the gm tell him who his coaches are? Neither harbaugh, reid, mcvay, carrol, holmgren, etc would have that.
@@iron_bison John stated he controls the coaching hires now, where as in the past Carroll did. Let's also note -- Macdonald is a first year coach with limited contacts. That was very different for Harbaugh, Reid, Carroll and Holmgren. For all we know, McVay did take advice.
Listening to these couch coaches is just maddening. Most have no football experience, much less pro football. (I’m talking about the comments here). Football is a TEAM game. One small position group underperforms and the offense or defense CAN NOT function as designed. You can’t judge a coach , or QB or coordinator when one position group is at the bottom of the league based purely on the roster talent. Many QB’s are labeled BUST because they get drafted by the worst team in the league. Many fine coaches get run out of town because they are given an impossible situation based on the talent in their roster. Grubb is a talented offensive mind . He has forgotten more about football than most of these clowns will ever know. The God Damn Seahawks are currently leading the NFC west with a o line that leaks on every single play. They were picked to win 6-7 games this season based on the pre season roster. Leave Grubb alone , he’s doing fine.
Darnold > Geno
The Darnold point is so logical and makes perfect sense. I could easily see the Hawks dump Geno, sign Darnold to a Baker type deal like Rob laid out, and then draft a guy like Quinn Ewers on day 2 of the draft to sit behind him for a couple years.
There's no practical difference between Darnold and Geno. Both are capable of great games and backbreaking interceptions. Darnold is looking good in Minnesota but he has the superior Oline, offensive coaching, receiving core and running game. He's not bringing all of that with him. The only way I see it happening is if Geno gets greedy and demands a huge contract.
@@rdrouynrivi'm sure you listened. Minesota doesn't have a superior oline. Fractionally better maybe.
Jsn and dk should be enough. I know folks want to bag on dk but one of those wr's was daffted in jefferson's range and it's not dk.
There is one big difference. Nearly seven years in age.
Now is oconnell a better offensive mind than grubb? That's a whole other issue.
Geno is much better than Darnold. This is fuckin idiotic
@@iron_bisonthis is completely false. Vikings are 3rd best in pass blocking. Go check espn pass block win rate. Vikings are 3rd. Don’t be clueless
@@iron_bison It's superior to ours, which is ranked 30th in the NFL.
Rookie OC. Interior O Line that couldn't block a bunch of 10 week old kittens. These conversations are so ridiculous.
Why does it natter? Texans oline is bad and they can run.
The oline is the same minus Lewis from '22 as per pff and they could run and score.
*Rookie OC that didn’t really run his offense in college and has a background in offensive lines*
@@iron_bison from watching the 22 defenses are playing a lot of 2 high shell too lock down the pass game and force the run, we can criticize the lack of creativity and certain play calls but when u have the worst interior Oline in the league there's only so much u can do
@@willgreig4077you sure about that? Or is that just something people say to say?
Spoiler. Cincy's interior has a worse aggregate score than seattle's and they are fifth in scoring.
Texans aggregate score is 4.5 points better or 1.5 per player better on pff. They are 12 in scoring. 16 in rush offense.
So between Houston and Cincy yet we are 14th in scoring and 27th in rush.
So yeah, we should pick up Darnold and dump Geno
How is Darnold any different than Geno? Maybe if he's cheaper, but he has about the same stats with a better receiving core, better offensive coaching, better oline and better running game. I'm not entirely convinced he'll be cheaper if he continues to put up stats.
@@rdrouynriv7 years younger…that’s monumental
@@matthewjohnson1098 That's fair. I'm not convinced he'll be cheaper though. He'll be the top free agent QB.
Big vikings fan or stupid seahawks fan?
Ryan Grubbs offense worked great with a compendent QB, Geno isn't it, Time to move on,
Yeah college and the pros, that’s the same.🙄
Geno played great with a competent OC, Grubb isn't it, time to move on. - fixed it for you dummy.
@@justinland1208so waldron who is unemployed was a competent OC? That's a bold take.
@@iron_bison not really, he’ll have a job next year and long after Grubb is tossed back to the college level.
@@justinland1208sure he will. Maybe he and bates will both have jobs next year.
Give the guy a chance, he has a crap QB
He's worse at his job than Geno is at his. This isn't even a discussion, you're just wrong.
@@justinland1208or.....geno has just been found out by the league?
Or John is the worst gm for not resigning Lewis since geno was miles better in '22.
@@iron_bison or… Grubb is incompetent. Geno doesn’t coach the line or make the running back bad. Geno doesn’t pick the plays or decide to be in shotgun 70% of the time. Honestly you should feel embarrassed.
@@justinland1208why would i feel embarrassed arguing with a person like yourself who doesn't know what a audible is or what a qb does. Is geno a small child and Grubb puts him in a car seat and cuts his food? Get a grip..."feel embarassed." Poor old Geno doesn't have the ability as a grown man making millions to adjust plays made by a guy with zero years of nfl experience.
@ lol, very embarrassing simple Simon.