My most heartfelt thanks to Dean for the collab and just as special are all the warm and sweet comments of praise. I do truly love being able to help others be creative and get to writing and playing more music. Can’t wait for the next one!
Ahoihoi Nick! I've been a follower for a while, so it's great seeing the collab. Good work. Here's something I'd like to add to the dual cab block thing, and a little on Bias even though I think Sag and Bias-X have no real use in a MetalContext. I prefer to use two paralleled single cabs with a split crossover to control flub, so that one cab/mic produces the tighter fartless low portion of the spectrum and the other has the high end with sear and squeal or whatever silly adjectives make me feel better about my shitty playing. It also allows for a couple of blocks to be added on these paths such as time-based in the high end and dynamics in the low end. Nobody likes a bassy reverb. I mean yeah, by this point the two DSP paths start topping out and you've got to consider distributing that stuff....maybe I should comment _after_ the full vid, right? Right.
If I'm being honest, I think a large part of what makes Dean's sounds so tight and heavy, is how he treats his guitar strings as if he were a rough laborer from 1892 disciplining his kids after a long day in the mines.
well said, sir. I think he looks like such a badass when he plays. He conveys so much passion, confidence in his band, and most importantly, testosterone.
Nice. I've been subscribed to Nick Hill for a while. He helped tremendously when I got an HX stomp. Even his tone videos like the meshuggah/spiritbox tone videos are helpful for learning new things. Understanding you needed IR's before helix 3.0 seemed like an easy to understand thing but it was definitely not easy to understand imo.
16:44 He explained that the fret wrap is to prevent those harmonics. But even if he did to mute strings, what's the issue? String muting is cheating? What is this? A sport? There's this guitar technique where you mute the strings with your right hand on the neck, and shred with the left hand, is that cheating? It's not a sport!
Yeah bro, ppl be thinking that writing and recording music is like the Olympics lmao Some of the greatest guitarists use fret wraps, such as Michael Angelo Batio, John Petrucci, Steve Vai, Guthrie Govan, just to name a few. And you'd have to be hella dumb to try and call out those guys for "cHeAtInG" lol
I’ve never heard of Nick Hill before this video. I definitely need to check his other stuff out. I always enjoy your selection of background music, Dean.
The video editing style on this is really annoying to watch. These constant small "people snapping around" and too fast constant transitions really suck.
So could I use one of these through one of my tube amps, and speaker cabs, and just use it as a preamp and effects?? Like run it through the loop or something? Basically just to get multiple different amp tones without using a computer and stuff?
Absolutely, I've used mine for that a couple of times, There are preamp blocks available, plug the output of the helix into the fx-loop return, and you're golden Just be careful with the output levels
I've really tried to like the stock cabs in Helix, but they just don't cut it for me. Cab modelling, like the Helix cabs, don't sound nearly as detailed as good IRs do. I could use them for playing live, but I would not use them for recording. Line 6's cab modelling has certainly improved since the POD days, but it's still not as good as IRs. I get that convolution based processes was very CPU and RAM intensive back in the day and therefore cab modelling was the only choice, but the processors in today's amp modellers should easily be able to run some IRs for the cab blocks. The amps and effects in Helix sound great though, so with a good set of IRs Helix is an absolute monster!
There is so much good information in this video that could have its own 20 minute video elaborating on it. Of course a tone expert would say "keep it simple stupid" when he acknowledged himself that there is option paralysis with guitar modelers and acts like its something that's BAD ... guitar tone rabbit holes are only bad when you are a producer and you're in a rabbit hole while a client is there trying to actually produce something
Good stuff! A great follow up to this could be Fractal or Neural DSP stuff. Or Kemper I guess. But if I’m not mistaken, the highest percent of people recording at home are using Neural DSP products.
Ahahaha my second digital pedal was the HD500 as well…not the x model tho. Had the Pod XT the red bean before that. Man that red thing sounded like ass lmao
I struggle with this as well. I don't have the cash to buy something like Helix, everything I have is in the 100-400 CAD range, so I just have a bunch of cheap stuff that I'm trying to work with. I definitely will check Nicks channel out, though!
That can feel like a hurdle, but there are a lot of great plugins and some even free that you can apply some of these principals too. I have some videos on that very topic. I’m hoping there is something on my channel that can be helpful to you!
Very informative video! I have always struggled with getting tones I like so the video was quiet helpful for me. Will definitely be checking out more of Nick's vids. Thanks!
I made a new patch following this video and it made me value stock cabs, this sounds better than my patches with 3rd party IR’s. Will definitely play more with stock cabs and mics.
Brenden Small used a Line 6 Pod Pro to record the original Dethklok album, and I think those were some good tones. I think the older line 6 stuff gets a bad rap because it was popular with high school gets that would put it on Insane, dime the gain and scoop out the mids so thats what everyone remembers about it.
that's the cringe about it! scooping the mids out almost completely if not all the way but for me i tend to dial on my peavey amp the mids about 1-2 from the middle of the spectrum increasing it not too much.. heard at one point in time that line 6 amps particularly the spider 4s if im not remembering it wrong sound a bit too 'digital' but otherwise everything else is typically the same to adjust accordingly! 😊😊
this was excellent. I bought a Stomp because Nick showed how one can get a killer tone out of it. Most of my settings are based off of his patches that he sells (and shows you online).....and i couldn't be happier with the results direct.....and even into a power amp and cab.
i am really hesistant to get a Helix but with your presets and walkthroughs like this i'm getting more tempted to try one... i'm getting old and lifting heavy cabs/heads is getting tiresome
Signal path also includes the audio interface that you’re using and the DAW you use just friendly FYI! like even if you’re plugging your helix outputs directly into your sound card lol. Some people run their guitar into a mixer before their audio interface (coughME) because the preamps are better on *some* mixers etc etc and you get another level of gain staging and EQ. Anyhow tl;dr: signal path includes everything from the initial input to the final output.
21:11 Jason Sadites. His channel is basically the Encyclopedia Brittanica for the Helix. Check it out if you've got questions. He's basically covered EVERYTHING.
@@NickHillMakesMusic does he pronounce it like "Sad its?" I think he actually says his name in one of his earlier videos but it's been long time since I've seen it.
Nick and I are the same in the hunt for tone: we don't have a lot of experience with real amplifiers but we reference stuff we've heard to emulate our favorite sounds.
I'm still spinning in circles looking for my 1st guitar, I'm in Canada and Lefty so I'm fucked basically :( Looks like LAMusic has a JS32 lefty in stock, that's about it, shopping up here sucks, I'm almost defeated before starting.
FIRST guitar? Dude this your chance to buy a right handed guitar and learn right handed, I'm a lefty but play right handed, it saves you money, gives you more options, I really can recommend it.
My most heartfelt thanks to Dean for the collab and just as special are all the warm and sweet comments of praise. I do truly love being able to help others be creative and get to writing and playing more music. Can’t wait for the next one!
Sooo you’re gonna blow up now boss. One day I’ll be cool too hahaha
Thanks to both of you mad dogs! Glad i found your channel nick, subbin to it now you tone fiend!
Dude! This is awesome! Big ups!
Your channel helped me so much to understand stuff. I still suck but now I know why. 😀 Thank you.
Ahoihoi Nick! I've been a follower for a while, so it's great seeing the collab. Good work. Here's something I'd like to add to the dual cab block thing, and a little on Bias even though I think Sag and Bias-X have no real use in a MetalContext. I prefer to use two paralleled single cabs with a split crossover to control flub, so that one cab/mic produces the tighter fartless low portion of the spectrum and the other has the high end with sear and squeal or whatever silly adjectives make me feel better about my shitty playing. It also allows for a couple of blocks to be added on these paths such as time-based in the high end and dynamics in the low end. Nobody likes a bassy reverb. I mean yeah, by this point the two DSP paths start topping out and you've got to consider distributing that stuff....maybe I should comment _after_ the full vid, right? Right.
If I'm being honest, I think a large part of what makes Dean's sounds so tight and heavy, is how he treats his guitar strings as if he were a rough laborer from 1892 disciplining his kids after a long day in the mines.
My guitar has to smoke a cig after im done beating that badboy every evening.
John Browne wants to know your location.
well said, sir. I think he looks like such a badass when he plays. He conveys so much passion, confidence in his band, and most importantly, testosterone.
That is the 💁♂️👨❤️👨🏳️🌈🌈👬 most 🏳️🌈🌈👨❤️👨👬💁♂️💋 comment ever possibly 👶🎤🙏👶🎤🙏👹🎤🙏
Can't stop fucking laughing at the dumb toes shooped in next to the floorboard at 0:30
Nice. I've been subscribed to Nick Hill for a while. He helped tremendously when I got an HX stomp. Even his tone videos like the meshuggah/spiritbox tone videos are helpful for learning new things. Understanding you needed IR's before helix 3.0 seemed like an easy to understand thing but it was definitely not easy to understand imo.
This was really helpful, even for a non-Helix user, the principles can be transposed to other processors. I'll be following Nick for sure!
16:44 He explained that the fret wrap is to prevent those harmonics. But even if he did to mute strings, what's the issue? String muting is cheating? What is this? A sport? There's this guitar technique where you mute the strings with your right hand on the neck, and shred with the left hand, is that cheating? It's not a sport!
Yeah bro, ppl be thinking that writing and recording music is like the Olympics lmao
Some of the greatest guitarists use fret wraps, such as Michael Angelo Batio, John Petrucci, Steve Vai, Guthrie Govan, just to name a few.
And you'd have to be hella dumb to try and call out those guys for "cHeAtInG" lol
If your tone is bad enough you can just say your genre is noise
23:18 Tom from Tom and Jerry screaming
Nick drastically enhanced my understanding of metal tones in Helix over the years. Cool to see him here.
I’ve never heard of Nick Hill before this video. I definitely need to check his other stuff out.
I always enjoy your selection of background music, Dean.
badonk is a good amp it really is , but the archon with a bogren low tune ir is the champ .
The video editing style on this is really annoying to watch. These constant small "people snapping around" and too fast constant transitions really suck.
i love you dean, also i found nick from Solar Guitar/Dimarzio vid and he's nice fella
I bought your Helix preset and it's great. It little too loud and if I use it live, I set aggressive high cut. But tone is great. Thanks :)
I use the legacy screamer in front of the badonk and it gives it just a little more upper midrange grunt than the scream 808.
@ 4:00 "Flex...." comment. Laughed for 3-5 minutes straight.
Blasphemy. Only real metal tone masters use Metalzones.
Kirk windstein and Sammy duet use Metalzones
I really need some patches for the Pod Go
Love Nick, been watching his stuff since before he was monetized if I'm not mistaken. Very helpful and informative videos on tone and audio production
Lmao, Nick's "FLEX" hit my soul.
Close your eyes and listen to Nick’s voice. Sounds almost exactly like Tom Segura
Tommy Buns
Nick Hill is the GOAT. And yourself of course
And Jason Sadites tilt EQ trick makes wonders for metal tones in helix. Is in all of my patches
Now I have to use these techniques on my helix later on today. 😬😂
Nick Hill is the fucking GOAT! Such an awesome fucking dude, I don’t even know where to begin with how much he has helped me the last couple years.
feel the amp, be like wahtah my friends....
That "save it first" from Nick felt like it came from experience lol
Really cool video. I have a helix myself and this video is really helpfull
Oh I’m so telling your wife
So could I use one of these through one of my tube amps, and speaker cabs, and just use it as a preamp and effects?? Like run it through the loop or something? Basically just to get multiple different amp tones without using a computer and stuff?
There are ways to do that for sure. There are a ton of videos on how to use your modeler through a cab
Absolutely, I've used mine for that a couple of times,
There are preamp blocks available, plug the output of the helix into the fx-loop return, and you're golden
Just be careful with the output levels
wow everything I did on my kemper profiles is wrong.
I've been using the "big-bottom" amp in my Line-6 Firehawk since I got it. I'm assuming that's the "badonk". Das ist brootal.
I've really tried to like the stock cabs in Helix, but they just don't cut it for me. Cab modelling, like the Helix cabs, don't sound nearly as detailed as good IRs do. I could use them for playing live, but I would not use them for recording. Line 6's cab modelling has certainly improved since the POD days, but it's still not as good as IRs. I get that convolution based processes was very CPU and RAM intensive back in the day and therefore cab modelling was the only choice, but the processors in today's amp modellers should easily be able to run some IRs for the cab blocks. The amps and effects in Helix sound great though, so with a good set of IRs Helix is an absolute monster!
What a fun friend you have. Jolly good show🙏
Jesus. I've been playing guitar for over 10 years and barely know what any of yall are saying. Why can't gearheads just talk like regular people? Lmao
Noise gate -> Screamer -> Amp > Cabs/IR's -> Delay for leads -> subtle Room reverb to give some space to not hear bone dry sound. DONE :)
I see you drinking lime bubly. Thats my favorite drink right now haha
This was super helpful dudes, like im saving this video for later reference when building stuff on my Headrush. Thanks guys for being fuckin awesome.
According to Marten Hagstrom (MESHUGGAH) their newest album uses a precision drive into EVH 5150 iii and the EVH stock cabs for that head, fyi
There is so much good information in this video that could have its own 20 minute video elaborating on it. Of course a tone expert would say "keep it simple stupid" when he acknowledged himself that there is option paralysis with guitar modelers and acts like its something that's BAD ... guitar tone rabbit holes are only bad when you are a producer and you're in a rabbit hole while a client is there trying to actually produce something
I'm a gentleman and the editing is superb
The Badonk amp model is very underrated in my opinion. That's what I use for mid-gain tones + a V30 IR.
To quote Yngwie J Malmsteen..."how can less be more? That doesn't make sense. More is more."
Good stuff! A great follow up to this could be Fractal or Neural DSP stuff. Or Kemper I guess. But if I’m not mistaken, the highest percent of people recording at home are using Neural DSP products.
Ahahaha my second digital pedal was the HD500 as well…not the x model tho. Had the Pod XT the red bean before that. Man that red thing sounded like ass lmao
I struggle with this as well. I don't have the cash to buy something like Helix, everything I have is in the 100-400 CAD range, so I just have a bunch of cheap stuff that I'm trying to work with. I definitely will check Nicks channel out, though!
That can feel like a hurdle, but there are a lot of great plugins and some even free that you can apply some of these principals too. I have some videos on that very topic. I’m hoping there is something on my channel that can be helpful to you!
Very informative video! I have always struggled with getting tones I like so the video was quiet helpful for me.
Will definitely be checking out more of Nick's vids.
Thanks!
Love nick hill got a few of his packs and watch his videos to help me with my patches on my stomp
I made a new patch following this video and it made me value stock cabs, this sounds better than my patches with 3rd party IR’s. Will definitely play more with stock cabs and mics.
This is just an excellent work flow, and the format of the video makes it very comprehensive
i currently play a 73 twin reverb with a rat and tube screamer its decent still missing a modern amp
Great content Dean, enjoyed Nick's vibe and have subbed. A joy to hear you riffing as ever 🌚
They’re pretty much made for you now days.. 😂
I've been holding off on buying one of these due to the overwhelming amount of options and settings. After watching this I think its time to get one.
Brenden Small used a Line 6 Pod Pro to record the original Dethklok album, and I think those were some good tones. I think the older line 6 stuff gets a bad rap because it was popular with high school gets that would put it on Insane, dime the gain and scoop out the mids so thats what everyone remembers about it.
that's the cringe about it! scooping the mids out almost completely if not all the way but for me i tend to dial on my peavey amp the mids about 1-2 from the middle of the spectrum increasing it not too much.. heard at one point in time that line 6 amps particularly the spider 4s if im not remembering it wrong sound a bit too 'digital' but otherwise everything else is typically the same to adjust accordingly! 😊😊
I have a Spider with tubes in it, I use the Insane channel for deathcore.
My gain is at like 6 though lol I'm not fucking insane
Of course I do. I have Cubase and no plug-ins.
Yes
Thank you dean
this was excellent. I bought a Stomp because Nick showed how one can get a killer tone out of it. Most of my settings are based off of his patches that he sells (and shows you online).....and i couldn't be happier with the results direct.....and even into a power amp and cab.
me watching this vid with a pod go under the stairs like the ppl in harry potter :0
Are you sitting on Darth Vader???!
Great video, thanks!
Cool! Now do Jared's tone. Pretty please?
also the "Cananda" sign is so triggering >_
I love Nick Hill. His videos taught me everything I know about dialing in Helix tones, he's such a treasure.
If you want a more cold and mean sound turn the bias down is cool too!
are you talking baout jason stallworth
This was no lie, insanely educational.
This was great. Thank you two.
Oooohh I love a big long headstock!!!
This video is so fucking sick. Good stuff.
I love nick but not happy that he is trying to make me read the manual 🤣
I’ll read it for ya! Just hang out and learn
@@NickHillMakesMusic sounds like a plan to me buddy
*Borat voice* MAAAH WIFE
Nick got me into the Helix, glad to see him here!
LOL the sand drawing
So you don't just crank every to 10?
Sometimes!
Very useful indeed!
Nick is a tone and riff machine!!
RADICAL BROTHER! FEEL THE HEAVY METAL THUNDER SPEWING FROM MY SPEAKERS. WOULD LOVE TO SEE A LEAD CHANNEL VIDEO STAY METALLLL BROOTTHHERRR
i am really hesistant to get a Helix but with your presets and walkthroughs like this i'm getting more tempted to try one... i'm getting old and lifting heavy cabs/heads is getting tiresome
good stuff boiz
Signal path also includes the audio interface that you’re using and the DAW you use just friendly FYI! like even if you’re plugging your helix outputs directly into your sound card lol.
Some people run their guitar into a mixer before their audio interface (coughME) because the preamps are better on *some* mixers etc etc and you get another level of gain staging and EQ.
Anyhow tl;dr: signal path includes everything from the initial input to the final output.
21:11 Jason Sadites. His channel is basically the Encyclopedia Brittanica for the Helix. Check it out if you've got questions. He's basically covered EVERYTHING.
Dude! I ALWAYS forget how to say Jason’s name.
@@NickHillMakesMusic 🤣🤣🤣 all good
@@NickHillMakesMusic does he pronounce it like "Sad its?" I think he actually says his name in one of his earlier videos but it's been long time since I've seen it.
It would be polite for me to find out lol
Sounds Huge
did you have any issues with your LED "Canada" light not being washed out on camera?
Just got off of a tour with a couple of Helix advocates and have been thinking about diving in…..now I see this.
That was amazing video, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge! Dean, would you mind sharing your patch so people can play around with it?
Question here, ¿How can we avoid to lose pick attack when your sound is very tight?
a funny thing to do, was if dean just played the starting clip, every time he played. and then talked about it as if it was changing.
"Cananda"
One thing I like about deans tone and other more forward thinking DM players is using way less gain than you think they do.
Nick and I are the same in the hunt for tone: we don't have a lot of experience with real amplifiers but we reference stuff we've heard to emulate our favorite sounds.
that tone was so scrongly, really loved when you widened the scringo and added bonkle to it
Sounds like Dean is looking for a Fear Factory like tone.
Feels good
holy shit
I'm still spinning in circles looking for my 1st guitar, I'm in Canada and Lefty so I'm fucked basically :( Looks like LAMusic has a JS32 lefty in stock, that's about it, shopping up here sucks, I'm almost defeated before starting.
FIRST guitar? Dude this your chance to buy a right handed guitar and learn right handed, I'm a lefty but play right handed, it saves you money, gives you more options, I really can recommend it.
Would love to see a video on how to make a great lead tone or clean tone with the helix!!!
How bout the thr10x settitngs
Way too much gain compared to Archspire album, he doesnt need that gain, he plays so tight we need to hear more of his pick attack
I'm pretty sure we acknowledge this isn't an "album" one and even speak to Dean NOT needing that much gain... but thanks for the cliff-notes
Nick looks like OG Majestic Lion AKA OG Geezer th-cam.com/users/OGGEEZERLIVE