erik johnson Always the way, and someone stealing food to feed their children would probably get longer. The upper class take all the money, pay none of the taxes. The working class pay all the taxes, and do all the work. The poor are there to scare the shit out of the working class, and keep them turning up to their jobs. (- Sir G.Carlin)
The Canadian authorities weren't going to do anything until the FBI got involved and charged him with racketeering, fraud, etc. He had friends in high places in Canada. "Thank God for the US justice system", said Carl Brewer (paraphrasing somewhat)..
Worse than that... the owner (or President) at the time, Paul Mooney, actually came to the exercise room to ask Bobby if he knew what the offer was. Mooney must've been so shocked at the refusal from Eagleson that he naturally (and correctly) assumed that Orr must not have known what the offer was fully. Orr said that he told Mooney not to come between him and his agent. Probably the biggest mistake with Eagleson aside from hiring the guy and recommending he'd be the new NHLPA head.
Great video! I'm reading the book ICE STORM about the 2011 Vancouver Canucks and it talks a bit about Mike Gillis, before he became a player agent, taking Eagleson to court in the '90s. Using his law school degree, Gillis sued Eagleson for ripping off his disability insurance and won!
@Chewy Ltd Because the most successful years in Canucks franchise history happened by accident. Look, he wasn't good at drafting, aside from our future Captain Horvat. But his signings and trades ensured the Sedin's stayed in Vancouver, got us to game 7 and two President's trophies and that's not a bad legacy.
@Chewy Ltd eh, more like Toronto media didn't appreciate. I still find it hilarious all they could complain about was that we had two great goaltenders. Wait, the Canucks have TWO kickass goalies? Now that's a CONTROVERSY! They milked that stupid angle for years. Luongo's deal was front-loaded to help get around the cap. The only real bad part was the NTC. Should have been modified. But the idea was to lure other players by showing them Vancouver was a great place good players really, really wanted to be.
@@melvynobrien6193 There were PLENTY knocking him while he was alive. Gordie Howe sat in the front row every single day of Eagleson's trial to shine a light on what no one knew. Noel Price and 80+ other hockey players stood up and were counted as victims of crime. The only revision to history came when the light was shone on who Alan Eagleson really was, while he was alive- thats how he was convicted of criminal offences, lost his HOF and OoC honours, was disbarred, and had to move to England for his own safety.
Part of the reason the Flames left Atlanta is because Tom Cousins, the Flames owner found out about Eagleton and tried to get the other owners to do something, but they refused and Cousins, figuring someone was doing to jail, bailed.
There's a book called "Offside" that provides all the gruesome details of Eagleson, the definition of the description Slimeball. The stunts he pulled on Bobby Orr, his first and most loyal client, were incredible. There were many others, this video just scratches the surface. Guy should have been in prison for years, not a measly 6 months in a medium security detention centre in Toronto.
Loved your explanation of the turbulent times of Alan Eagleson in your video. It was done in laymen terms , so armchair quarterback , like me, can understand and reflect. Still, have the image of Game 8 Summit Series, of the Team Canada players, most of them his clients, getting Eagleson out of the stands to the players bench. Fingers up, shaking fist, over a goal judges call. You can see his power in influencing the game. His corrupt power, thinking he's right, and the Russian were tampering with the systems. As a kid, 15 years old, I thought the Russians were mean and dishonest. The Russians counted the tying goal, Yvan Cournway goal. But, he shows the coming of Eagleson turbulent and corrupt life. Felt so sorry, for slimming so much from Bobby Orr's contracts and pension funds, and Orr treating him like a dad. Inviting on fishing trips, to family dinners. Not, telling if he was part owner, trading Orr to black hawks for multi thousands , for padding Eagleson's pocket. A real sleaze bucket, all for greed, dishonesty, and power. Alan did give power to players contract,s and life in NHL but took them for everything. Faust giving his soul to the devil, got a better deal.
Eagleson was a dirty swindler. Nothing I can say can possibly paint an adequate picture of how evil this guy was. He shat on a lot of players and stole their money at the same time everyone was shaking his hand and giving him honours. Nobody knew what he was up to? Hard to believe, but in the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king.
The NHL Players Association and their Presidents have to take some responsibility. They were bullied and intimidated by Eagleson, a guy who supposedly was working on THEIR behalf. They were led around on a leash pulled by Eagleson.
It is reprehensible but the individuals he screwed for years are partially to blame for not being more involved in there finances. The wealthy or those with influence always fuckover the little guy. Your bank's even screw you if you don't know any better. If you don't ask for better rates, treatment, and lower fees your not going to get it. Business, agents, financial planners and institutions hate well involved clients as they know they can't get away with half the shit they do on daily bases with there I'll informed and less involved clientel.
That's one reason a good friend of mine quit his job as a bank manager and went back to teaching overseas (for less money). He couldn't put up with the petty wealthy clients any longer. One way a lot of people who get rich stay that way is because they're cheap (which is also smart...I'm not saying it isn't, but it's also cheap.) and refuse to pay for anything.
Shannon great video. With Bobby Orr, in 1976 Paul Mooney had presented to Eagleson a new contract offer and Eagleson never relayed what the was offered. The Bruins were offering Bobby 18.5% ownership of the team. He said to Orr the Blackhawk deal was the best offer. He never told Orr about the deal. He robbed the fans of Boston a chance to cheer their hero to the end of his career. Can you imagine being an almost 20% owner of a sports franchise especially a team like the Bruins. Derek Sanderson asked Orr why did you turn that deal down and Bobby said I didn't turn any deal down. Sanderson went Uoh. Sad and criminal.
Bob Goodenow is the best executive director in the history of the NHLPA!! Without him the players would've made the money off of their likeness which included video games, trading cards, posters & sweaters. He gave the NHLPA the backbone that it desperately needed at the time, which infuriated the owners who had such a cozy relationship with Eagleson. That's the reason why Bettman & his henchmen did everything they could to get rid of Goodenow, who was beating them at the negotiating table with regards to the CBA in the 90's. The league eventually won by instituting a salary cap & at the same having some players turn on Goodenow, who was forced out of the union because of his opposition to the salary cap. The NHLPA hasn't been the same since Goodenow left.
Was listening to a podcast about this today and wondered if you ever talked about it. It's crazy to think he had that power and could be bullied down by a dude who wasn't a sports star. I will say I'm not surprised though cause the podcast I listened too mentioned how players weren't as educated and made more sense since the college pipeline wasn't as big a thing
This could be an interesting series of corrupt/ tarnished figures in NHL history. Would also be interesting to hear about the best and worst owners in history (Saskatoon Blues anyone?)
You know what's funny? I first watched this video the same time in July that me and my family unironically took a 3 day trip to Toronto, Where we got to go to the Hockey Hall of Fame on Day 2.
One of the most corrupt man in the history of the NHL. As a Leafs fan I hated Ballard and still do but what this Eagleson did was beyond even Ballard. He should have been sentenced for a lot longer than he was.
Shannon, since you mentioned him and some of his corruption in this video, could you please do a video on Bill Wirtz? We HATED that man here in Chicago, and for good reason. People need to know how he kept the Hawks down and out because of his greed, much of the reason why there were so many fans that came out from behind the curtains when the Hawks started winning championships again. The best things Bill Wirtz did for Chicago, was help the St Louis Blues come into existence (very important rivalry), give birth to his son Rocky, and lastly, the best thing he did for Chicago, was buying the farm and letting his son take over the team and bring it from an absolute disaster of a franchise to the face of the league
Hey Shannon, ESPN once reported on a 30 for 30 episode that Boston offered Orr ownership stake in the team and Eagleson said, “no thanks”. Your thoughts?
Don Cherry brought up the topic of Orr getting a piece of the Bruins on "Sportscentury", not 30 for 30!! 30 for 30 did pieces on the Gretzky "trade" & the Miracle on Ice from a Russian point of view.
Very shady character with a heroic facade. His initial work with Team Canada made him seem untouchable. If Eagleson would have completely kept his promises to the NHL players, he would've been a powerful legend. Unfortunately, he was a corrupt & lying criminal. What a waste.
Eagleson was more than an M.P.P (M.L.A. in the Rest of Canada), he was also one time President of the Ontario Progressive Conservative Party. He's best buds with Roy McMurtry, long time Attorney General in the Conservative Bill Davis government. Yes, that's the same McMurtry the NHLPA agreed to be an arbitrator of sorts at the last lockout. Yeah. There's that.
Happens to often with celebrities may it be athletes, actors, singers etc. If you trust your finances to some one else and don't get involved. Give them 100% trust to keep your money safe and financials in check. Well then your a sucker that's going to be taken for a fool one way or another. It's harder to steal from the average person compared to millionaires. With large amounts of money coming in its alot easier to skim such flow and go unnoticed then skimming from way smaller amounts.
Funny how crooks like him seldom really pay for their crimes. 6 months and $ 700,000 what a joke.
erik johnson Always the way, and someone stealing food to feed their children would probably get longer.
The upper class take all the money, pay none of the taxes. The working class pay all the taxes, and do all the work. The poor are there to scare the shit out of the working class, and keep them turning up to their jobs.
(- Sir G.Carlin)
@ erik Johnson @ Lace 7 You got that straight! I'll stop now and not put on my political hat.
Want to become a criminal? Get rich first.
The Canadian authorities weren't going to do anything until the FBI got involved and charged him with racketeering, fraud, etc. He had friends in high places in Canada. "Thank God for the US justice system", said Carl Brewer (paraphrasing somewhat)..
Dude, Harold Ballard got longer for tax evasion 🤦🏼♂️
Bobby Orr finds out he was offered part ownership of the Bruins...The Eagle never told him...
@Chewy Ltd No doubt..by far, Bobby is the best player I ever saw play..
@Chewy Ltd how old are you? You're lucky you got to see Gordie Howe, Bobby Orr, Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemieux, and Jean Beliveau
Worse than that... the owner (or President) at the time, Paul Mooney, actually came to the exercise room to ask Bobby if he knew what the offer was. Mooney must've been so shocked at the refusal from Eagleson that he naturally (and correctly) assumed that Orr must not have known what the offer was fully.
Orr said that he told Mooney not to come between him and his agent. Probably the biggest mistake with Eagleson aside from hiring the guy and recommending he'd be the new NHLPA head.
@@ambriellemason5925 ..I was born in 1960. Remember all those guys, plus some others..Sanderson, Hull, Mikita..amazing bunch..
Great video! I'm reading the book ICE STORM about the 2011 Vancouver Canucks and it talks a bit about Mike Gillis, before he became a player agent, taking Eagleson to court in the '90s. Using his law school degree, Gillis sued Eagleson for ripping off his disability insurance and won!
@Chewy Ltd Because the most successful years in Canucks franchise history happened by accident. Look, he wasn't good at drafting, aside from our future Captain Horvat. But his signings and trades ensured the Sedin's stayed in Vancouver, got us to game 7 and two President's trophies and that's not a bad legacy.
@Chewy Ltd eh, more like Toronto media didn't appreciate. I still find it hilarious all they could complain about was that we had two great goaltenders. Wait, the Canucks have TWO kickass goalies? Now that's a CONTROVERSY! They milked that stupid angle for years. Luongo's deal was front-loaded to help get around the cap. The only real bad part was the NTC. Should have been modified. But the idea was to lure other players by showing them Vancouver was a great place good players really, really wanted to be.
@@melvynobrien6193 There were PLENTY knocking him while he was alive. Gordie Howe sat in the front row every single day of Eagleson's trial to shine a light on what no one knew. Noel Price and 80+ other hockey players stood up and were counted as victims of crime. The only revision to history came when the light was shone on who Alan Eagleson really was, while he was alive- thats how he was convicted of criminal offences, lost his HOF and OoC honours, was disbarred, and had to move to England for his own safety.
Congrats on 86k! Closer and closer to 100k & the Silver Play Button!
Part of the reason the Flames left Atlanta is because Tom Cousins, the Flames owner found out about Eagleton and tried to get the other owners to do something, but they refused and Cousins, figuring someone was doing to jail, bailed.
There's a book called "Offside" that provides all the gruesome details of Eagleson, the definition of the description Slimeball. The stunts he pulled on Bobby Orr, his first and most loyal client, were incredible. There were many others, this video just scratches the surface. Guy should have been in prison for years, not a measly 6 months in a medium security detention centre in Toronto.
Alan Eagleson was the most powerful woman in Canada in the 1970's. Most kids today (especially those in Alabama) do not know this.
For this summer a series about each NHL commissioner's era please
13:15 RIP Russ Conway, he died today of coronary artery disease at the age of 70.
Loved your explanation of the turbulent times of Alan Eagleson in your video. It was done in laymen terms , so armchair quarterback , like me, can understand and reflect. Still, have the image of Game 8 Summit Series, of the Team Canada players, most of them his clients, getting Eagleson out of the stands to the players bench. Fingers up, shaking fist, over a goal judges call. You can see his power in influencing the game. His corrupt power, thinking he's right, and the Russian were tampering with the systems. As a kid, 15 years old, I thought the Russians were mean and dishonest. The Russians counted the tying goal, Yvan Cournway goal. But, he shows the coming of Eagleson turbulent and corrupt life. Felt so sorry, for slimming so much from Bobby Orr's contracts and pension funds, and Orr treating him like a dad. Inviting on fishing trips, to family dinners. Not, telling if he was part owner, trading Orr to black hawks for multi thousands , for padding Eagleson's pocket. A real sleaze bucket, all for greed, dishonesty, and power. Alan did give power to players contract,s and life in NHL but took them for everything. Faust giving his soul to the devil, got a better deal.
dont mind me just eagerly refreshing your channel waiting on the canes vs isles game 2 review. Love your stuff man.
This is one of your best videos! Great historical journalism. Fascinating stuff.
Thanks for finally making this Shannon! been hoping you would do this for awhile.
Bobby said in 2013, "I just wanted to get away from the man -- person." He doesn't even refer to Eagleson as a man
Hey Shannon you should do a series on terrible owners
Beautiful message Shannon
Thanks
Speaking of owners, I'm curious on what kind of video you could put together on Jeremy Jacobs. Im sure he isn't very popular among players and fans
Jesus, there should be a 30 for 30 or a movie made about this.
I'd love to see it, however, in the USA I think only a minority know the name Eagleson.
Man, i was waiting for this video to come out :)
I need to sleep, but i think i can stay up for 16 more minutes.
Great topic for a video.
Eagleson was a dirty swindler. Nothing I can say can possibly paint an adequate picture of how evil this guy was. He shat on a lot of players and stole their money at the same time everyone was shaking his hand and giving him honours. Nobody knew what he was up to? Hard to believe, but in the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king.
Rometiklan That’s an interesting saying. In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king. 👁 👑
@@7Lace77 Hey, thanks. My manager said it once and I thought it was interesting as well.
The NHL Players Association and their Presidents have to take some responsibility. They were bullied and intimidated by Eagleson, a guy who supposedly was working on THEIR behalf. They were led around on a leash pulled by Eagleson.
Very, very interesting subject to cover. What this guy did specifically to Bobby Orr, and on a broader scale many other athletes, is reprehensible
It is reprehensible but the individuals he screwed for years are partially to blame for not being more involved in there finances. The wealthy or those with influence always fuckover the little guy. Your bank's even screw you if you don't know any better. If you don't ask for better rates, treatment, and lower fees your not going to get it. Business, agents, financial planners and institutions hate well involved clients as they know they can't get away with half the shit they do on daily bases with there I'll informed and less involved clientel.
That's one reason a good friend of mine quit his job as a bank manager and went back to teaching overseas (for less money). He couldn't put up with the petty wealthy clients any longer. One way a lot of people who get rich stay that way is because they're cheap (which is also smart...I'm not saying it isn't, but it's also cheap.) and refuse to pay for anything.
Wow. What a smack in the face with reality. Kinda puts things into perspective.
Thanks for making this video. I learned a lot.
Basically the Bernie Madoff of the NHL
Shannon great video. With Bobby Orr, in 1976 Paul Mooney had presented to Eagleson a new contract offer and Eagleson never relayed what the was offered. The Bruins were offering Bobby 18.5% ownership of the team. He said to Orr the Blackhawk deal was the best offer. He never told Orr about the deal. He robbed the fans of Boston a chance to cheer their hero to the end of his career. Can you imagine being an almost 20% owner of a sports franchise especially a team like the Bruins. Derek Sanderson asked Orr why did you turn that deal down and Bobby said I didn't turn any deal down. Sanderson went Uoh. Sad and criminal.
This sounds like the title of a Urinating Tree video
Bob Goodenow is the best executive director in the history of the NHLPA!! Without him the players would've made the money off of their likeness which included video games, trading cards, posters & sweaters. He gave the NHLPA the backbone that it desperately needed at the time, which infuriated the owners who had such a cozy relationship with Eagleson. That's the reason why Bettman & his henchmen did everything they could to get rid of Goodenow, who was beating them at the negotiating table with regards to the CBA in the 90's. The league eventually won by instituting a salary cap & at the same having some players turn on Goodenow, who was forced out of the union because of his opposition to the salary cap. The NHLPA hasn't been the same since Goodenow left.
Was listening to a podcast about this today and wondered if you ever talked about it. It's crazy to think he had that power and could be bullied down by a dude who wasn't a sports star. I will say I'm not surprised though cause the podcast I listened too mentioned how players weren't as educated and made more sense since the college pipeline wasn't as big a thing
Eagleson and Ballard are the reasons, among others, are the reason Toronto and Ontario Hockey and Hockey in General are Backed Up.
This could be an interesting series of corrupt/ tarnished figures in NHL history. Would also be interesting to hear about the best and worst owners in history (Saskatoon Blues anyone?)
You know what's funny? I first watched this video the same time in July that me and my family unironically took a 3 day trip to Toronto, Where we got to go to the Hockey Hall of Fame on Day 2.
One of the most corrupt man in the history of the NHL. As a Leafs fan I hated Ballard and still do but what this Eagleson did was beyond even Ballard. He should have been sentenced for a lot longer than he was.
"Must have loved hockey in some way"? No, he really LOVED MONEY and hockey was his mode of opportunity to get it.
Didn't it come out later that the Bruins offered Orr a piece of ownership? How did Eagleson get along with Jacobs?
All started with Carl Brewer not Bobby Orr. Carl was his first contract and Carl was the one who fought the battle against Eagleson
How did he only get 18 months in jail? He should still be in jail right now.
In fact, he only had to serve 6 months.
Shannon, since you mentioned him and some of his corruption in this video, could you please do a video on Bill Wirtz? We HATED that man here in Chicago, and for good reason. People need to know how he kept the Hawks down and out because of his greed, much of the reason why there were so many fans that came out from behind the curtains when the Hawks started winning championships again. The best things Bill Wirtz did for Chicago, was help the St Louis Blues come into existence (very important rivalry), give birth to his son Rocky, and lastly, the best thing he did for Chicago, was buying the farm and letting his son take over the team and bring it from an absolute disaster of a franchise to the face of the league
Great video
Speaking of bill wirtz how about a video maybe on him to see what kinda stuff he did
Hey Shannon, ESPN once reported on a 30 for 30 episode that Boston offered Orr ownership stake in the team and Eagleson said, “no thanks”. Your thoughts?
Don Cherry brought up the topic of Orr getting a piece of the Bruins on "Sportscentury", not 30 for 30!! 30 for 30 did pieces on the Gretzky "trade" & the Miracle on Ice from a Russian point of view.
Bobby Orr got screwed by Eagleson. It was either 8 or 18% ownership of Bruin’s. They never wanted Orr to leave Boston.
Bobby Orr deceived in free agency departure to Blackhawks ...
www.nhl.com/news/bobby-orr-deceived-in-free...
Great video.
Bobby Orr could have had an 18% stake in the Boston Bruins if he had re-signed. That stake would be worth $252,000,000 today.
Could you have imagined if Gene Upshaw or Marvin Miller had been agents as well
2023 and Eagleson is still alive. Hope to read his obituary soon.
Very shady character with a heroic facade. His initial work with Team Canada made him seem untouchable. If Eagleson would have completely kept his promises to the NHL players, he would've been a powerful legend. Unfortunately, he was a corrupt & lying criminal. What a waste.
Eagleson was more than an M.P.P (M.L.A. in the Rest of Canada), he was also one time President of the Ontario Progressive Conservative Party. He's best buds with Roy McMurtry, long time Attorney General in the Conservative Bill Davis government. Yes, that's the same McMurtry the NHLPA agreed to be an arbitrator of sorts at the last lockout. Yeah. There's that.
the only person in any of the 4 major pro sports hall of fame to resigned his hall of fame membership
Off topic:
How do you get all those jerseys? Those things cost a fortune!
Peter Lenko he colluded with the league
@@swy334 Ah HA! I KNEW IT! The Hockey Guy is clearly a shill for ownership! For shame!
Peter Lenko Always gets discounts, he’s making decent ad revenue money from the channel so he’s been able to buy more jerseys over the past 3 years.
Plus he's had some given to him.
At least he’s sharing 😬
Darryl Katz= very bad owner. Look at the nail yakupov situation
If you get arrested at a hockey game, you get a one-way ticket to a Siberian work camp. Lol.
This is crazy to me because I work at a golf coarse and I see Alan eagleson everyday since he is a core member, and apparently he funded the coarse
Which course and where?
Shannon you should listen to the Talk is Jericho podcast episode with Phil Esposito his views on Eagleson are veriy forthright
I wonder what the hell he did afterwards for a while. He must have had to go out in disguise lol
Legend
Happens to often with celebrities may it be athletes, actors, singers etc. If you trust your finances to some one else and don't get involved. Give them 100% trust to keep your money safe and financials in check. Well then your a sucker that's going to be taken for a fool one way or another. It's harder to steal from the average person compared to millionaires. With large amounts of money coming in its alot easier to skim such flow and go unnoticed then skimming from way smaller amounts.
Kareem Jabbar got that treatment too.....in LA
Idk why I'd laugh so hard if it just said "here's a video" then end.
Obviously upload the real video after but it would be funny to me
i thought Leaf defenceman Carl Brewer helped bring Eagleson down?
Eventually you reap what you sow.
I see you have also read Net Worth.
Fantastic book.
The should have left him in Russia.
Oh shit go chargers!
GO CANES
Scoundrel
Is hockey guy wearing a chargers hat?
What a fall from grace? Too bad he only got a slap on the wrist.
👎👎👎 for AE. Corrupt thru + thru.
Very interesting topic! But why the video is available only in 360p? Your notes are barely readable
It's a youtube issue, it was just uploaded so it's stuck in low res for now
Iivari Koutonen have patience my child
Eagleson got less time in jail than Ballard got. Bet he didn't get to eat the tenderloin steaks in jail Harold got in Canadian jail.
Don't believe anything Ballard ever said.
YEAH GO CHARGERS ⚡️
👍👍👍
I liked this video, but it upsets me for reasons that have nothing to do with you.
good god this guy was a dbag
Oof
i wanted to be first! ;(
Marlon Varonen Really? 🤦🏻♂️
first
Well done? 🤷🏻♂️
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