Liner Roughrider 750 - £25 well spent? Meet the Fleet Episode 2.
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- Hello everyone,
Today we're turning our attention to the little yellow workhorse that Lawrie acquired many moons ago.
But just what do we know about Humpty?
A video featuring, shot, and edited by Lawrie.
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Humpty driving by on his own in the intro killed me from laughter, thanks for that cause I'm going trough a bit of a rough couple of days
Glad to have been able to help
Humpty is by far my favorite vehicle on the channel- it's more than proven its worth despite its size, condition, and cost. Personally, I would keep it yellow for a couple reasons-
1. Liner did make them in yellow and in fact, it seems to have been more or less the standard color.
2. It's become part of Humpty's character, especially on the channel.
3. It just fits it so perfectly as a construction machine, and it makes a good companion for Viking.
Oh did they? I thought that their standard colour was green?
@@lmm pretty much every photo I've ever seen of one is yellow- It's possible Humpty was green from the factory though, and certainly it was that green color at some point. lots of farm and construction equipment manufacturers would let you pick custom colors if you asked for it.
i have much love for Humpty .. would like to see it mechanically restored ( even upgraded with a starter & electrics ) keep it yellow & fabricate a new bucket ( but allow it to develop some character ( ie dents & scrapes )
I don't think it'll ever have electrics, but a bee bucket is likey!
I am rather fond of yellow with green trim (or green with yellow trim, if you like). We have been repainting a building and a locomotive at my local railway museum in such a manner, and it really does look quite good.
A bit of green trim could look nice.
Yes, that might work!
I just want to say thank you for transporting me away from the utter s**t show that is my country for a few minutes to a world I 'get'. People like you, Eric O, Big Clive, AVE etc inhabit a world that makes sense to me outside my own workshop 🙂
All stellar people and creators
Yes I agree all good content creators.
I forgot Rainman Ray and the many other incredible TH-cam creators who make life bearable these dark days. I am working on starting my own channel inspired by these people. I just hope Lawrie and the others know how appreciated they are.
I'm glad to be of help.
It's better to just concentrate on this stuff than the 'real' world!
Worked on dozens of these things and their like in the 70s.The steering and brakes on them all were less than useless .The original Liner colour was yellow as was most builders plant at that time. The green was probably the company colours of the last owners.
Oh I thought the company colours were green unless otherwise specified. The brakes do work... Eventually
Definitely one of my favourite buys you have made,
And do you know what , even on LMM project progression time ie glacial, I think that could be a relatively quick project if you can source some parts it does look mighty simple.
You may need to make a pattern of the bucket and replace the vast majority of it but it will still be humpty, just with a new hat on
It needs a little tidy up really
You say Humpty is the most useful thing you've bought, but how many times has the barn burnt down since you bought Redruth? Sounds like it is doing its job to me!
That's a very good point!
Like for many, Humpty is my favourite on the fleet. Original green gets my vote!
It's a cracking little machine
Back in the 50s I had a Dinky Toy dumper which from memory was like yours.
It was of course YELLOW.
You must keep yours YELLOW. It's the LAW.
Understood. Must obey the law
I assembled these dumpers in the mid 60s. As a served my apprenticeship at the factory where they were built. They were built at the Liner concrete machinery company CO in Gateshead north east of England. The majority of these dumpers were painted red not yellow. Regarding the name plate on the back of the dumper they would have been inspected by Jd (Jimmy Davidson). Or Jk (Jimmy king). Hope this information helps.
if/when i actually make it over to hang out, this is one of the vehicles I'm looking forward to seeing the most!
It's great little thing
Turning up to the pub in that, women will love it...
That's not my really why I want to take it to the pub.
@@lmm right
HUMPTY HYPEEEE!!
seriously, though I have no idea why Humpty was the thing that earned my subscription. about two years ago, when I first discovered the channel, despite all the far bigger and more interesting vehicles, a small corner of my brain went "I cannot possibly afford to miss seeing this guy patch up the bucket on his tiny dump truck", and as such I have watched the significant majority ever since. That's about 10% of my life. I'm almost sad at this point that the joke of forever waiting for the Humpty restoration video is going to end.
Also, I vote a fresh coat of yellow. Anything else would feel wrong at this point, and I personally think that yellow is just the proper color for any specialized utility vehicle other than a tractor, a lawnmower, or piece of farming equipment.
See I tend to agree.
At some point it's getting fixed up. I promise!
That's fab!
The original design of the Petter PH/AV series actually harks back to the late 40s!
Today variants of the PH/AV series are built in India. They are in fact the most widely used small diesel engines in the country, for pumps and small generators etc!
In the search facility type in Kirloskar diesel engine or Vidhata diesel engine and you'll see what I mean! Doug
I thought the AV came before, but the PH came out when I said in the video?
Am I incorrect?
Is it still called the PH? I thought it was known as something else now?
Keep it yellow
It might well!
About 50 years ago, I remember local city council workers (in suburban Christchurch, New Zealand) would ride around the streets in machines that looked similar to this (quite likely a different brand, manufactured elsewhere). They sounded to my young ears, like a lawnmower vs a typical car, they may have been petrol or diesel, but likely only a 1 or 2 cylinder motor. The machine carried 2 operators, and they'd stop regularly, get off and use broom and shovel etc to clean out the roadside gutters, obviously putting the detritus into the forward bin. This obviously pre-dated the local councils owning any of those flash new trucks with power operated street-sweeping bristle brushes.
Oh that sounds very cool!
I have to say, Humpty is probably my favourite of all of your vehicles. I do hope to find a bargain like that at some point. I’d also say that Humpty would be best kept in yellow, as it’s become part of its character over the time it’s been on the channel.
That's a good point
I wish these were more popular over here. I think I would have fun with one.
They're amazingly fun machines
If you do have a new bucket/skip made, I hope that 1) you get it galvanized and 2) you coat the inside with _good_ spray-on bed liner.
I could do, but it's unlikely to get much work
Haha, loved the mighty and unstoppable comment. My roughrider would get stuck on a slightly sloping mole hill. I love my own humoty, but she is totally useless, bless her.
It doesn't like going up Ramps.
Humpty is a truly splendid vehicle. He appears to be rather more sophisticated than the very similar beastie that I spent a long-ago summer driving around a building site in Bristol. The labelled, interconnected pedals, and the 2-position bucket weren't present on "mine", which I'm fairly confident wasn't a Liner, although structurally/mechanically very similar. My memory also says it didn't have Humpty's rather sophisticated sprung-dog starting handle, making do with basic, fixed dogs for engagement. Maybe not, though. It was a long time ago, and memory is fickle.
Although physically quite large, I wouldn't think that refabbing the bucket would present any insurmountable problems. It looks to be almost all flat sheets (maybe some single curvature at the bottom) and folded lips and stiffeners. I suspect a couple of sheets of 3mm mild steel and some 40-50 x 3 angle, and a few hundred metres of MIG wire will see you right. I don't know how costs would stack up in the UK, but it might even be worth drawing it up in CAD and getting the bits laser/plasma cut, so you end up with a kit that just needs sticking together.
You know what, that's probably a better way to go about it
@@lmm What can I say? I'm an engineer by training, always looking for the most efficient way to do stuff. Time is expensive, and cutting the parts is probably the most time consuming element of a job like Humpty's bucket, so it makes sense to contract it out to a machine, which can do a better job than a human could. Besides, I've always disliked the noise, mess and (since getting bitten by a 9" grinder a few years back) risk of cutting metal. Or the effort, if doing it manually.
I feel like you should keep it yellow, but maybe with some green details.
Also, Humpty is probably my favourite vehicle in the collection!
Maybe paint the frame and driving gear green and have a green bucket?
It's certainly one of mine!
I suggest converting to a wood flatbed with stake pockets. Wood for ease of fabrication and mods later. Flat or adding sides is more useful for dragging random stuff around. 4 sides for traditional yard of dirt. Maybe one side should be stronger and permanent to protect the pilot. Balance will be an issue, because the original bucket can't change shape that was never an issue. Make the flat plus one side first, and tack weld a mount to test balance. Then add other sides and see how balance when empty varies. Pick a compromise. Whatever the original colors were is best.
That's not a bad idea!
Oh yes! Mighty Humpty! What a machiiiine. I love it.
Me too!
Green would definitely look nice
It could well do
Brilliant little machine! I only wish we had something like that in North America.
There must be something similar on your side of the pond?
You recorded my bond minicar at helmingham hall, my dumper truck is also a Liner rough rider 1 cylinder petter engine PH1 had 13 years, mines actually more rarer than the 60 70s mines a 1982. Bigger bucket. They are great machines and use her for my excavator work.
Loved you bond! They're super little things.
Glad you're enjoying the single cylinder life too!
@@lmm yeah my bonds very rare on the road nowadays I did it up for 2 years, it’s nice to see you got a liner rough rider.
I've got a spare steering box and we've got a aveling barford sd06 converted to a crane if you fancy doing a segment on it
Drop me on email at Lawrie@lmm.media
A steering box would be amazing!
The front wheels haven't been replaced most companies of the time used landrover axles sometimes upside down to lower the centre of gravity
Oh really? The old owner said they'd been replaced
My favourite of the fleet
I'm very fond of it too
Lawrie, Humpty has to stay yellow man, it wouldn't be the same in any other colour, original or not - yellow.
It does look good...
the gearbox is designed for building sites, most of the time your swapping from 1st to reverse and not using any higher gears, if you do you have the forward momentum to change into 2nd and 3rd
old thwaites manual dumpers were the same
It's not a Cat so back to green is my vote. Looks like a good winter project. If they were built into the 90's and they did not alter the design much you may be able to collect enough spares for repairs. Good luck. I want to see you go to the pub in this someday.
One day it'll happen!
I wish these were easily available here in the United States I would love to find one I would certainly give you 45 lbs just because I'm that kind of guy! LOL thanks for sharing you did get the scale of the century and I'm I'm always happy to see someone get a good deal. Best regards Bob from Virginia USA
Is there anything similar on your side of the pond?
Oohh! A 'rebuild Humpty' series! 🙂
Eventually yes!
@@lmm That would be brilliant! 🙂
I would paint it Green, as I learned on one of these in 2006, and the one the training company had was green.
Oh really - was it a Liner too?
@@lmm It was a 3 ton dumpster in green, but I don't think it was a Liner.
i hope that Humpty a good restoration because it is little workhorse in your Fleet.
i hope to see two colour tune with Green and Yellow
It will get done after the 35 is sorted
Few go faster bits & stick a Lotus badge on it! Enjoy your adventures!
I do have one somewhere 😂
Two packs of B and H or a dumper? Stupid question. Go Humpty. . .
Best money I've ever spent!
I'd dearly love a dumpy. Even in Australia right up until the late 70s/early 80s every council had dozens of them but now you can't find one for love or money. As for the dating of it, don't. Date the engine instead as Petter records will be a lot more complete and easier to access.
Ah that's a good idea - but where do I find that info?
Such a neat little machine :) I've enjoyed all of your videos on it. I saved a nice scrap hopper from work, that is about the same size as Humpty's bucket. It is meant to be dumped using a forklift. It's only 6 years old, and I have no idea why they were getting rid of it :P Anyway, I plan to build my own version of Humpty at some point :)
As for the paint color, I do think the yellow is very fitting for a construction vehicle. However, I also think it would be cool to give it the same paint color as your locomotive ;)
Oooo that would be a good green!
@@lmm Indeed :)
Worked on Liner gear in the 1980's
Good stuff
Lovly sweet petter ploding along
They're fantastic aren't they
Hahahahaha! Kids can use it in the Sandbox along with their Tonka Trucks!
It's one size up from a Tonka
Green is the answer
These are useful dumpers and most are still seen doing small jobs on farms or stable yards doing the odd moving around and cleaning up jobs.
They're a really useful size!
Make it green!!
It might happen!
Yo Lawrie as if you have a supra that’s sick
A long term project!
Reminds me of my childhood in the late 70's / early 80's living on and near newly built housing estate, chuff chuff chuff.....bring it on lol
I only ever saw yellow ones so thought they were all yellow but if it was green then green it should be for originality.
It does look good in yellow
@@lmm I just assumed that all building site plant was yellow to make it easier to see and safer for all concerned.
@@graemew7001 quite possible
Yup be good to paint its original colour
It could be good!
It's humpty's fault that I have a rusty old ride on lawnmower in my garden lol.
Glad to have helped 😂
Great video as always really informative! Where do you get these vehicles?
Humpty I happened to stumble upon when at work.
The rest, just right place right time really.
Awesome little survivor machine!
Is that small "Petter" engine similar to the Lister diesels? (I know the two companies ended up under the same umbrella, but that was later than 1970 I think). They're properly industrial-era "robust" in their build...
Very similar engines.
These singles were once the sound you heard coming out of every decent sized British building site.
@@dutchgray86
My father actually has one of each, a really old and heavy cement mixer with a Petter, and an even older generator with a Lister driving it, mounted on a concrete plinth in an outbuilding. I know how solid the generator engine is but don't know much about the mixer engine, other than it sounds quite similar.
The way headlines are gleefully doom-saying about "power shortages", I bet he'll be firing it up again in the near future for a few hours every night! (Powered by extortionately expensive UK diesel at that!)
Wish I still lived there quite often since the house has a fire too which they still use quite a lot!
@@ZIGZAG12345 I have a Winget mixer with a Lister diesel, its abandoned on a piece of ground where it was last used, about a decade ago, but I mixed alot of mortar and concrete in it. Problem is the Belle mixers are much more manageable to transport and we have a big diesel (Yanmar) in the yard if needed, with working electric start. Have an old sawbench with a Lister as well but that needs selling as its no longer used.
When I was young Dad had two small dumpers like the Liner, one with a single lister, the other a twin Petter, which blew up, I doubt either survived.
I assume similar, but I don't know.
I think if you are going to put the effort into fixing Humpty up may as well get him to look how he came out of the factory.
Seeing how Humpty was a limited production I would guess the steering gear and transmission are out of a car of the same or older vintage.
That drive axle looks like a Dana 27 or a Dana-Salisbury 27 axle that's been flipped upside down. That would make sense to reverse ring gear to the pinion gear to get your three forward gears and not three reverse gears with standard engine rotation.
Yeah, it's certainly just been reversed
Speed!!
It's rapid
Hi I have a liner roughrider 23cwt and I would like to know if the rear rims are compatible to other vehicles. Recently I bought the Hillman 15 inch rims but they are narrower than mine. Thanks and well done for such videos
I have no idea I'm afraid
Can somebody please explain to me why I really like dumpers ? I own a variety of classic cars and motorcycles but I really have the desire to buy a dumper and I don’t know why. Good videos like this I imagine
Whist doing so, please explain to me too.
It's just got a great bit of character.
Honestly if I didn't see Humpty, I'd have though Lawrie bought a narrow gauge Ruston loco for a new railway system around the workshop
Ah, I can dream
I want one now. Where can i get my own hummty.
They do appear occasionally on ebay and such.
Good little machines!
Can we ever see Jupiter putting a fire out
Yes, next year
When will another what's broken now come out?
Soon I hope
They were fitted with "newage" gearboxes. So no bother getting parts
Oh really? That's good news!
I'm starting to think this vehicle has lead paint and lead parts in it along with your other vehicles.
Quite possible
What happened to his little friend , Dumpty?
Nothing.... Yet
Those don't look like land rover wheels to me
Think they said just the hubs
Would you like another one I'm in Devon and have got one I'm going to be scrapping the skip it in good condition the engine is seized the brakes didn't work but everything else was ok when parked up
If you're giving it away - sure, is it a Liner too?
@@lmm I would want scrap value for it yes it's a rough rider
@@petetheresellerandscrapper849 what's scrap value these days?
@@lmm about £75
@@petetheresellerandscrapper849 drop me an email at Lawrie@lmm.media
It's too much for me based on what my working one cost, but there's plenty of people who've expressed an interest in having one
I have met Humpty
That you have. Stunned into silence at its majesty
I think it needs to stay Yellow because to my mind all construction equipment should be Yellow in same way all Fire Engines are Red all Police cars are Blue (or white with blue stripe) and all Ambulance are White.
I know it's a weird thing but but to my Obseive ADHD brain that's how the world should work.
That's what Matt thinks too!
25 quid for that?
25 quid well spent indeed.
Not a bad price
green cos every other dumper is yeller
Would be different
HUMPTY DUMPTY was an egg......it must be yellow yolk.....
Your logic is flawless
Hi m8
Hello
Green wood look nice. But than it's not Humpty anymore.
You raise a good point
Needs to be repainted into improved engine green
No Rob. Just no 😂
Paint it green
It might well happen!
first
Close, but not I'm afraid
First ;) 😂
Good job!