@athleticmotiongolf I am AMG+ member. Love the content, hitting better after a week of drills. I do think downswing intent is huge, and no one talks about it. Need more videos about starting downswing after pressure shift, and what the arms need to do. Everyone talks about pressure shift, but lead arm intent in downswing. Please let me know if I missed it on the AMG+ site.
Absolutely fabulous! I struggled with the exact same concepts as your amateur and came to the same conclusion that the first move in my mind had to be pulling my hands down or as you explained accelerating my hands down. With many golfers, I tend to constantly question my swing dynamics because I don't understand the "why". This video really helped me understand the physics behind my feeling and result. I can't wait to play tomorrow with a renewed confidence in this move as I am also a single handicapper and really want to get to the next level. For those of you looking for drills, they have another video that explains the drill that Rory uses with separating his hands on a driver shaft and pulling down.
Really amazing instruction & comparisons. I was amazed at how clear the lesson was on why holding the lag angle doesn't work, how slower hand speed with a correct strategy generates greater speed in the downswing. Most of all it feels like I can use this tomorrow before my round!!! ( Paul - 5 handicap, formerly 1...59.. conscious of speed loss in last 2 years)
This video made good sense to me and immediately made a difference, i hit the ball more solid now and I am more relaxed doing it. Thanks a bunch fellas...
I have watched most of your videos. I believe this one to be the most clear and easy to understand. The graphics are clean and the explanations are repeated and enforced. Well done, and thank you.
Thank you much! This has been my issue. What drills can I do to get the hands to max speed sooner? Do you have other videos I can watch which include these drills? Thanks again.
Brilliant video, i've been working on the body first but can see now why this is not working, got myself a zepp 2 golf swing analyzer, going to focus on this to increase me speed. Thanks for posting
Hey guys. Love the video. Love the content you put out. Appreciate the time and passion. Thank you! Im liking the concept/idea/intent of getting the grip moving “sooner, faster, and moving in the right direction.” If you don’t mind. Could you clarify the part about moving the grip in the right direction? Thanks again and happy new year.
The video analysis shows the Am’s hands coming “out” of plane when his body rotates too fast relative to his arms/hands trying to remain passive (presumably as he was instructed). This clearly illustrates one of the causes of classic “over-the-top/casting” motion.
By changing his concept for his downswing intent, it's interesting how much better his backswing looks. Most people try to change their backswings, but I believe your body puts you in the "correct" backswing based on your mind's downswing intent. Great vid guys!
I love what you guys do. My golf instructor referred me to one of your videos and he's one of the best, Monte Scheinblum. I like to think of how the information in this video combines with your Gears data regarding how the weight shift from back to center and then forward occurs before the hands have reached the top of the backswing. I'd love to see something on the relation of these two concepts. Thanks for all your great work. You are really doing great work.
What a visual proof of what’s happening in the downswing. That angle filled in with the color reminds me of using the coat hanger drill to help with the release into impact, it looks so easy, as well as Phil Mickelsons analysis of release. Thanks!
Love the video guys. I'm addicted to data driven golf swing analysis like this. I know I lose my angles way too soon in the downswing and have a strong hit impulse that is been the hardest thing to overcome. I'm certain my hand speed is fine, it just tragically comes at the wrong time (at transition) robbing me of distance while costing more effort. Would you say that most pros reach maximum hand speed at or near the trail hip/belt area like at 4:36? I just fear that the takeaway of hands moving faster, sooner doesn't fit for me.
This kind of clear scientific analysis is exactly what I have needed to make some much needed improvements. I went out and immediately tested your recommendations and saw improvement. And my swing just feels better using this advice. Thanks so much. Looking forward to watching more from your channel!
This is super helpful, explains what I've been observing in my own swing and prompts me to think about a different downswing intent from the top. Thank you for sharing!!
The key thing you mentioned in this video is to not force holding the angle. That is so important. When I don't think about that, and get my hands moving faster more quickly, the club naturally lags more and I can feel more of the whip through the ball. Great video. Without that point you made, I would not have grasped the key concept.
It's such a key part of the golf swing to increase clubhead speed. I agree, very well explained and importantly makes logical sense. Good luck with it. Cheers
Would be great to see a down the line of all of your gear avatars showing us how the hands move sooner, quicker, and then the proper position/direction!
Best golf video I've watched in years! Could see a difference almost immediately and it's actually easier to control the speed when it comes earlier in the swing. Thanks for this video!!!
The video is great but doesn't really show you how to do this. What did you do in terms of swing thought to decrease the angle as the video mentions? I'm trying to figure out what I need to be thinking of at the start of the downswing. Thanks!
Fascinating analysis! Definitely identify with this issue…have you released any videos since that talk about how to get the grip/hand speed earlier? Thanks!
@@209coach No man, he left the cliff hanger of what he changed in the lesson. That's the point of these videos to get people to sub to their e-coaching
Thank you ! I ha some old vide'.o of myself from this spring. After watching this video, I learned a great deal by going back and re-watching the video. Many of the flaws that you mention in this and other lessons are clearly evident in my swing. I will try to take this to the range and see if I can get rid of some of the issues you describe. Failing that, how many to get you to look at my videos and make some suggestions?
Thanks for the advice. Tried it out and average club head speed increased from 104mph to 110mph. 👍Due to UK lockdown I was hitting to a net; hope it’s going straight 😀
Wow. Makes me rethink my golf swing. Was told a couple of years ago that my over the top swing was cause by starting the swing with the arms. I was told to conquer over the top, to move the hips and upper body, followed by the arms. I'm no longer over the top (have a nice draw when I want) but have lost clubhead speed as a result. Sounds like I almost need a video to start moving the hands first.
Thanks Mike, this was extremely clear and helpful. I suffer from this very thing and have begun to work on it during the off-season. The intention you gave this golfer will surely help me, and the illustration with Gears really made it clear and understandable.
Useful video thank you. One question: what makes the hands accelerate from the top?, Looking at McIlroy, for example, his hands remain passive at the top of th b/scand don’t stsrt down until his lower body has moved noticeably.
Was there a specific drill that got his grip moving sooner? Great video. For me having the slow motion animation with the angles seems very helpful at least to have an idea of sequencing and how those changes impact the speed.
Amazing vid and info.. just a tip for anyone trying to put this into practice... if you keep your right elbow/tricep tucked into the right side of your torso on the down swing, like the pro at 6:20, it creates the natural delay they're speaking of which will let you unload your wrists better, ramping up club head speed. It also promotes the inside out swing path even if youre hitting a fade. You can certainly over do it and start spraying shots, but a little dialing in will have you launching scuds as long as you flush it or something close to flush.
John, are you saying trail elbow leading more helps? That stull leaves open the question of how to accelerate hands from the top without jumping the plane or clubhead throwaway.
@@joshydep84 they can, if I dont hit the range at least once a week it can be hard to get the timing right. However, keeping my backswing slow and then the follow thru at about 75% does wonders until I’m ready to ratchet it up. And sometimes I don’t and usually score better lol.
Very good and informative video lesson....best i've seen. Hope you can produce a similar video on hip turn angle difference between amateur vs pros tht also produces added swing speed and accurancy in shots. Tq.
I was always taught to believe that you accelerate your swing through impact and beyond; however, your video suggests that instead one should reach maximum hand speed much earlier in the downswing. Perhaps this the difference, and resulting confusion(?), between thinking about hand/arm vs. clubhead speed. Would appreciate hearing some additional insights on this concept.
I agree this insight is confusing to me now.. sort of antithetical to everything I try to focus on. "don't swing from the top" "accelerate through the ball", it's as if I've stepped into an alternate universe lol. I seem to have more success by letting my hands "fall" naturally from the top, not crank my hands down as fast as I can. I'm really not sure what to do with this new insight, but it's interesting.
Hi, love what guys do. Anyway, how should we increase the hand speed? Should we pulled it from the top? How is it triggered? Should we use our left hand and pull it down? Appreciate your feedback as im trying to work on this in my game. Tx
WOW, this video together with the video about “Create LAG In Your Golf Swing” by having your arms more in front of the chest in the back swing have increased my average driver club head speed by 4 mph in one day (from 97 to 101). It was even more noticeable in my irons where the speed of i7 increased by 6 mph. It also puts my hands in a better position at impact. My accuracy has suffered a little, but I’m confident that it will become better again with more practice. Amazing that none of the pros at my club have never mentioned this before. I love your videos. It suits my tecnical brain perfectly :)
Magnus, you seem to have a good grasp of this concept (increasing hand-speed earlier). Let me ask you, since I didn’t hear it stated explicitly, how do you actually do this? Just swing harder from the top?
Great vid, again! But how does one go about accelerating the hands sooner, without yanking the handle down (and getting narrow)? I guess moving hands more out than down (as shown in still image at start of vid), and bot gripping to tight. Thanks, grtz from the Netherlands.
I was thinking exactly the same thing, and also does that initial speed up of the hands reduce strike accuracy? As opposed to Justin Thomas who looks more for smash factor through vertical extension through impact as opposed to fast hands from the top.
I understand, from the video, what creates more club head speed but I'm not clear about what to physically do to get it. I thought about holding the lag longer but that is clearly not the right thought. So how do I maintain the angles without consciously trying to keep them intact please?
I am 72 and have been having trouble (of course) loosing distance. Just a week or so ago I realized I was just swinging with my hands and arms. So, I figured I'd concentrate on turning my body a little more, back and then through. What do you know?! I gained about 30 yards on my tee shots, and my irons were much longer and more solid... So, I'm I little skeptical about moving the hands faster on the downswing. That would lead me to believe the fastest way to increase your hand speed is to rotate your body faster.
In his case, it was a change in concept by showing him the difference between what he was trying to do and how that differed from faster clubhead speeds. He felt like he was starting the downswing with his arms. That didn't change the sequence at all, but it did improve his acceleration profile dramatically.
@@kcs05 It's helped so many golfers to FEEL that. The reality is, it's nearly impossible to move the arms in isolation without the body moving, but that thought creates the proper sequence and speed profiles you see in this video. Make sense?
@@AthleticMotionGolf @Kevin Smith It's the same concept if someone asked you to throw a baseball as hard as you can without thinking about it, just do it. Your body is amazing at making all the correct athletic compensations to produce a desired movement if you just let it happen. You'll probably have great body sequencing when the only thought in your head was "move this baseball as fast as I can." I think most golf instructors teach the downswing backwards, as in most say what they want you to do FIRST. When in fact, if you focus mostly on the outcome you want, or what you want to happen LAST (i.e. move my arms/hands as fast as I can), then just like the baseball, your body will naturally and athletically sequence itself to get to your desired outcome.
Guys, this might be your best video yet. Mind blown. Not only by the fact that pro hands max out earlier, but also HIGHER. For years I've been trying to accelerate my hands through the ball with a concept that the hands reach max speed PAST the ball (but before impact due to shaft lean). This was an amazing reality check. Actually tried this on my carpet (my wife hates AMG now) and by focusing on earlier acceleration, I got a much more powerful feeling and a faster "whoosh" of the club at the bottom of the swing. Can't wait to try this at the range! Thank you!!
Profound video showing that technique produces clubhead speed. Amazing that the 3mph faster hands can produce 18mph more speed. That’s Rory power. Most ams are trying to accelerate the hands through impact as opposed to the club.
Thank you for answering, but for me "sooner", "faster" and in the "right direction" are changes which can be applied in every mouvement, every sport and more generally everywhere 😕 I don’t want to be boring but, for the first time, I don’t really understand what you’re talking about 😎
@@shogoonp.bechler4601 The "sooner" was him no longer trying to "leave the hands up and turn first." The "faster" was the intent of adding speed to the grip end rather than just being passive. The "right direction" was the hand path moving downward rather than out. Make more sense?
corddyson- Not at all. That's a way to get you to attack the ball from the inside , instead of coming over the top. Doing it "slowly" allows the information to be processed more easily. Once your coconut absorbs it, it's time to increase the tempo in order to get some respectable clubhead speed .
When increasing the hand speed as you mention, is that from rotation? My hands are typically the last thing to begin back toward the ball in my downswing. I just want to know if that means I need "faster hands" or if this is a result of rotation.
You cover "what" needs to be done- hands moving faster earlier. But I don't quite understand "how" to do it. Does the thought of hand dropping before the hips help? THANKS-
This is an amazing video!!! I have a 5.3 index and have struggled with lag FOREVER! No matter what I do I have trouble creating more lag on the down swing. I can't wait to try your tips.
It is cool video and give you lot of insights. But, I wonder how many amateurs are going to see this and think quick hands = better lag. Think lot of people are going to go to range and start these quick jerky downswings that burn up speed too quickly instead of accelerating their clubs. This might be where too much info necessarily isn't good thing or beneficial.
That would have been a good final 3 minutes for this video because thinking "faster, earlier" will cause many people problems. The amateur being shown in this video received a lesson to make this happen. It would be good to know what exactly he was told to do. What exactly he was told to guard against, etc. How did he hold his lag without 'trying' to hold his lag? There must have been some drills or physical sensations that were suggested to help this amateur make it happen correctly. Other than that, the mechanics and data shown are pretty awesome.
@@Randsurfer I think the video was more of an advertisement of technology available to perform a swing speed analysis. Again, the video doesnt tell us how to increase our speed, so that's why I concluded it with "waste of time"
I was aware of this hands in front of the ball at impact but thought on the terms of more ball compression resulting in more ball speed many thanks for the video
It is not counter-intuitive. This is exactly what Nicklaus is talking about in his release. It is understanding the nuance of the concept of reaching the max hand speed sooner, not from the top. Watch the graphic comparisons again while processing this detail: The faster swing, release starts just under the shoulder line and the standard swing release of most golfers occurs when the hands are under the rib cage. This is the critical zone where the "angles are spent" differently. That is a free gem.
I'd imagine it'll be a hard for amateurs to increase the hand speed at the start of the downswing as most amateurs will surely cast the club more, due to lack of trail hand wrist cup and not getting the trail elbow down and in front of the hip.
It shouldn't be. You can easily move your hands super fast without casting and without holding the angle. To feel how to do this, from the top of the swing take your lead hand off the club, lay the club on your arm and shoulder and leave it there while you swing your hand as fast as you can.
@@scifisicko2390 hi I don't understand the laying of the club on your arm? Can you please explain that or even link me to a video or article that shows how to do your drill to increase clubhead speed. Many thanks.
this video is fantastic. never had anyone mention that increasing hand acceleration increases lag. Ive heard all kinds of tips about what to do with the hands at the top like the AM in the video has heard. Keeping them passive isnt gonna be a thought i have anymore
It's a fairly natural thing to do, Mike. But we find that intent is the biggest roadblock causing it to be slower than it needs to be. Using the arms, for some reason, has gotten to be a phobia for many golfers. It's hard to make the arms and hands move faster earlier if you don't use them. The best in the world use them.
I LOVE your stuff. Scientifically proven. I have 78 mph 7 iron speed but way too much wrist cock, we're working on less wrist cock and throwing the clubhead from the top- essentially what you're saying. I need to do it much faster and earlier. I'm a Malaska convert and this proves it. Thanks guys. Best coaching content on TH-cam.
I am going to be working with this. I have lost clubhead speed over the last few years (decades). I think this is what I was doing (somewhat) more naturally in my. I do note that the "pros" had more shoulder rotation and that never hurts to get the hands higher, the right elbow higher, and the right shoulder higher, so there is more to pull down with, allowing an individual to pull down with more speed sooner. Anyway, I will be working on this. I hope to be able to take top quality lessons, maybe from AMG, one day.
Learning as AMG has taught me to properly shallow the club unto itself seems to have promoted faster hand speed earlier in my downswing. Once at max hand speed a little below hip level my hands and arms are now in a great position to efficiently rotate down into and through the ball. Confidence gained from this improved technique has been a real breakthrough for me. Thank you!
I was going to post the exact same comment. Shallowing the club greatly improved the time it took me to achieve maximum hand speed. The ball is snapping off the club face with seemingly less effort. Loving the game again.
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Plus would be great to see gear avatars from down the line showing the hands moving sooner, quicker, and in the proper path/motion! Thanks, Ron
@@ronfinch4918 have you had a chance to catch any of our plane or hand path videos?
Athletic Motion Golf It has been awhile! I will re-visit! Ron
@athleticmotiongolf I am AMG+ member. Love the content, hitting better after a week of drills. I do think downswing intent is huge, and no one talks about it. Need more videos about starting downswing after pressure shift, and what the arms need to do. Everyone talks about pressure shift, but lead arm intent in downswing. Please let me know if I missed it on the AMG+ site.
Thamks for the advice cant waite to get out and put it to work
Absolutely fabulous! I struggled with the exact same concepts as your amateur and came to the same conclusion that the first move in my mind had to be pulling my hands down or as you explained accelerating my hands down. With many golfers, I tend to constantly question my swing dynamics because I don't understand the "why". This video really helped me understand the physics behind my feeling and result. I can't wait to play tomorrow with a renewed confidence in this move as I am also a single handicapper and really want to get to the next level. For those of you looking for drills, they have another video that explains the drill that Rory uses with separating his hands on a driver shaft and pulling down.
Best Video out there about this! Thanks for making and sharing this..
One of their best videos. Their illustrations and explanations were so clear. Thank you
Really amazing instruction & comparisons. I was amazed at how clear the lesson was on why holding the lag angle doesn't work, how slower hand speed with a correct strategy generates greater speed in the downswing. Most of all it feels like I can use this tomorrow before my round!!! ( Paul - 5 handicap, formerly 1...59.. conscious of speed loss in last 2 years)
Great video, as usual. Any drill suggestions?
Thanks Mike, can't wait to give this a try.
Let us know how it works!
This type of analysis is what I love about your channel. Thanks
This video made good sense to me and immediately made a difference, i hit the ball more solid now and I am more relaxed doing it. Thanks a bunch fellas...
I have watched most of your videos. I believe this one to be the most clear and easy to understand. The graphics are clean and the explanations are repeated and enforced. Well done, and thank you.
Zack Fishman glad you enjoyed it, thank you for watching 🙏🏻👊
Thank you much! This has been my issue. What drills can I do to get the hands to max speed sooner? Do you have other videos I can watch which include these drills? Thanks again.
Great research and video explaining the benefits of the club head speed study. Kudos!
Brilliant video, i've been working on the body first but can see now why this is not working, got myself a zepp 2 golf swing analyzer, going to focus on this to increase me speed. Thanks for posting
Hey guys. Love the video. Love the content you put out. Appreciate the time and passion. Thank you!
Im liking the concept/idea/intent of getting the grip moving “sooner, faster, and moving in the right direction.”
If you don’t mind. Could you clarify the part about moving the grip in the right direction?
Thanks again and happy new year.
The video analysis shows the Am’s hands coming “out” of plane when his body rotates too fast relative to his arms/hands trying to remain passive (presumably as he was instructed). This clearly illustrates one of the causes of classic “over-the-top/casting” motion.
By changing his concept for his downswing intent, it's interesting how much better his backswing looks. Most people try to change their backswings, but I believe your body puts you in the "correct" backswing based on your mind's downswing intent. Great vid guys!
great insight!!!
I love what you guys do. My golf instructor referred me to one of your videos and he's one of the best, Monte Scheinblum. I like to think of how the information in this video combines with your Gears data regarding how the weight shift from back to center and then forward occurs before the hands have reached the top of the backswing. I'd love to see something on the relation of these two concepts. Thanks for all your great work. You are really doing great work.
What a visual proof of what’s happening in the downswing. That angle filled in with the color reminds me of using the coat hanger drill to help with the release into impact, it looks so easy, as well as Phil Mickelsons analysis of release. Thanks!
Love the video guys. I'm addicted to data driven golf swing analysis like this. I know I lose my angles way too soon in the downswing and have a strong hit impulse that is been the hardest thing to overcome. I'm certain my hand speed is fine, it just tragically comes at the wrong time (at transition) robbing me of distance while costing more effort.
Would you say that most pros reach maximum hand speed at or near the trail hip/belt area like at 4:36? I just fear that the takeaway of hands moving faster, sooner doesn't fit for me.
So how does the golfer accelerate the hands earlier, faster rotation, thoughtful pull down with the left hand, how?
Thanks for making this VDO. It's awesome
I watched this video just before I played yesterday. It made a huge difference in my game. Thanks!
Another great video from AMG. Would love to know drills to get hands moving faster earlier and, most importantly, maintaing that lag in the downswing.
This is the best video I’ve watched thank you
Thanks!!!
Loved the visual of the difference between the pro & the amateur and the angle of their club head in getting more distance &clubheadspeed!! !!
This kind of clear scientific analysis is exactly what I have needed to make some much needed improvements. I went out and immediately tested your recommendations and saw improvement. And my swing just feels better using this advice. Thanks so much. Looking forward to watching more from your channel!
This is super helpful, explains what I've been observing in my own swing and prompts me to think about a different downswing intent from the top. Thank you for sharing!!
love it !! Thanks!
The key thing you mentioned in this video is to not force holding the angle. That is so important. When I don't think about that, and get my hands moving faster more quickly, the club naturally lags more and I can feel more of the whip through the ball. Great video. Without that point you made, I would not have grasped the key concept.
that's a million dollar tip !
Thank you for a much needed explanation! I hope you can make a video on how to learn this information.
THE BEST golf swing analysis I've ever seen. So much helpful. I can't wait to try this technique! Thank you so much and keep up the good work!
thanks for the kind words!
first time i have seen this concept; would like to see it in other videos. thanks
ok we will do that! ;)
This is big and makes sense. I’m that AM ! I can’t wait to get this to the range. Excellent explanation
It's such a key part of the golf swing to increase clubhead speed. I agree, very well explained and importantly makes logical sense. Good luck with it. Cheers
Great video....I have been working on slowing the start of the downswing which seems similar. Seems to get me better contact and speed. Thanks
Brilliant video as always! Thank you for posting!
Would be great to see a down the line of all of your gear avatars showing us how the hands move sooner, quicker, and then the proper position/direction!
Great idea....
Incredible breakdown as always! This channel continues to improve my golf game!
Awesome! Thanks for watching!
Excellent and outstanding teaching! Fascinating analysis! graph and eloquence. Love the video, My respect to you sir.
Your videos and instruction is fantastic! I watch it exclusively, thanks for the help!
Best golf video I've watched in years! Could see a difference almost immediately and it's actually easier to control the speed when it comes earlier in the swing. Thanks for this video!!!
yessir!
The video is great but doesn't really show you how to do this. What did you do in terms of swing thought to decrease the angle as the video mentions? I'm trying to figure out what I need to be thinking of at the start of the downswing. Thanks!
Fascinating analysis! Definitely identify with this issue…have you released any videos since that talk about how to get the grip/hand speed earlier? Thanks!
He didn't answer you???
@@209coach No man, he left the cliff hanger of what he changed in the lesson. That's the point of these videos to get people to sub to their e-coaching
What an awesome video. Very well explained. Thanks!
Thank you !
I ha some old vide'.o of myself from this spring.
After watching this video, I learned a great deal by going back and re-watching the video. Many of the flaws that you mention in this and other lessons are clearly evident in my swing.
I will try to take this to the range and see if I can get rid of some of the issues you describe. Failing that, how many to get you to look at my videos and make some suggestions?
Thanks for the advice. Tried it out and average club head speed increased from 104mph to 110mph. 👍Due to UK lockdown I was hitting to a net; hope it’s going straight 😀
How did you measure club head speed at home?
@@toneabet6252 likely a launch monitor…
Would you post some drills to help with this? Really wonderful video.
We have more on this coming👍
Wow. Makes me rethink my golf swing. Was told a couple of years ago that my over the top swing was cause by starting the swing with the arms. I was told to conquer over the top, to move the hips and upper body, followed by the arms. I'm no longer over the top (have a nice draw when I want) but have lost clubhead speed as a result. Sounds like I almost need a video to start moving the hands first.
Thanks Mike, this was extremely clear and helpful. I suffer from this very thing and have begun to work on it during the off-season. The intention you gave this golfer will surely help me, and the illustration with Gears really made it clear and understandable.
Would like to see a drill to work on this. Great stuff!
Ok we will put one up soon :)
Useful video thank you. One question: what makes the hands accelerate from the top?, Looking at McIlroy, for example, his hands remain passive at the top of th b/scand don’t stsrt down until his lower body has moved noticeably.
He just fires his hips earlier giving the appearance that his hands were.lagging
It’s the pressure shift to the left foot prior to the transition. Highly recommend a sheftic balance board if you want to feel this shift.
finally someone explained lag. the best video I've every seem. thank you.
Thank you Very helpful. It should help me understand the problem I am having with my golf swing.
Was there a specific drill that got his grip moving sooner? Great video. For me having the slow motion animation with the angles seems very helpful at least to have an idea of sequencing and how those changes impact the speed.
Amazing vid and info.. just a tip for anyone trying to put this into practice...
if you keep your right elbow/tricep tucked into the right side of your torso on the down swing, like the pro at 6:20, it creates the natural delay they're speaking of which will let you unload your wrists better, ramping up club head speed. It also promotes the inside out swing path even if youre hitting a fade. You can certainly over do it and start spraying shots, but a little dialing in will have you launching scuds as long as you flush it or something close to flush.
Do these adjustments make club face control a big issue?
John, are you saying trail elbow leading more helps? That stull leaves open the question of how to accelerate hands from the top without jumping the plane or clubhead throwaway.
@@joshydep84 they can, if I dont hit the range at least once a week it can be hard to get the timing right. However, keeping my backswing slow and then the follow thru at about 75% does wonders until I’m ready to ratchet it up. And sometimes I don’t and usually score better lol.
Thanks for the clarification my man
Outstanding swing thought which I believe is exactly what I must incorporate into my swing. Thanks
Very good and informative video lesson....best i've seen.
Hope you can produce a similar video on hip turn angle difference between amateur vs pros tht also produces added swing speed and accurancy in shots.
Tq.
I was always taught to believe that you accelerate your swing through impact and beyond; however, your video suggests that instead one should reach maximum hand speed much earlier in the downswing. Perhaps this the difference, and resulting confusion(?), between thinking about hand/arm vs. clubhead speed. Would appreciate hearing some additional insights on this concept.
I agree this insight is confusing to me now.. sort of antithetical to everything I try to focus on. "don't swing from the top" "accelerate through the ball", it's as if I've stepped into an alternate universe lol. I seem to have more success by letting my hands "fall" naturally from the top, not crank my hands down as fast as I can. I'm really not sure what to do with this new insight, but it's interesting.
Hi, love what guys do. Anyway, how should we increase the hand speed? Should we pulled it from the top? How is it triggered? Should we use our left hand and pull it down?
Appreciate your feedback as im trying to work on this in my game. Tx
Great video! Looking forward to sending our clients your way!
Great video as always.... Any chance of repeating same idea with the Driver...? Really curious how this would work on Driver Swing speed..!
WOW, this video together with the video about “Create LAG In Your Golf Swing” by having your arms more in front of the chest in the back swing have increased my average driver club head speed by 4 mph in one day (from 97 to 101). It was even more noticeable in my irons where the speed of i7 increased by 6 mph. It also puts my hands in a better position at impact. My accuracy has suffered a little, but I’m confident that it will become better again with more practice.
Amazing that none of the pros at my club have never mentioned this before.
I love your videos. It suits my tecnical brain perfectly :)
Magnus, you seem to have a good grasp of this concept (increasing hand-speed earlier). Let me ask you, since I didn’t hear it stated explicitly, how do you actually do this? Just swing harder from the top?
Great vid, again! But how does one go about accelerating the hands sooner, without yanking the handle down (and getting narrow)? I guess moving hands more out than down (as shown in still image at start of vid), and bot gripping to tight. Thanks, grtz from the Netherlands.
I was thinking exactly the same thing, and also does that initial speed up of the hands reduce strike accuracy? As opposed to Justin Thomas who looks more for smash factor through vertical extension through impact as opposed to fast hands from the top.
I understand, from the video, what creates more club head speed but I'm not clear about what to physically do to get it. I thought about holding the lag longer but that is clearly not the right thought. So how do I maintain the angles without consciously trying to keep them intact please?
Mind blowing! Such a detail analysis!
You guys are just crazy good at what you do. Great communicator, Granato.
Mike is the GOAT!
I am 72 and have been having trouble (of course) loosing distance. Just a week or so ago I realized I was just swinging with my hands and arms. So, I figured I'd concentrate on turning my body a little more, back and then through. What do you know?! I gained about 30 yards on my tee shots, and my irons were much longer and more solid... So, I'm I little skeptical about moving the hands faster on the downswing. That would lead me to believe the fastest way to increase your hand speed is to rotate your body faster.
What did you say/how did you get him to reach is maximum hand speed sooner and then have his hands decelerate?
In his case, it was a change in concept by showing him the difference between what he was trying to do and how that differed from faster clubhead speeds. He felt like he was starting the downswing with his arms. That didn't change the sequence at all, but it did improve his acceleration profile dramatically.
@@AthleticMotionGolf - So you are saying on the downswing the arms should start the sequence?
@@kcs05 It's helped so many golfers to FEEL that. The reality is, it's nearly impossible to move the arms in isolation without the body moving, but that thought creates the proper sequence and speed profiles you see in this video. Make sense?
@@AthleticMotionGolf @Kevin Smith It's the same concept if someone asked you to throw a baseball as hard as you can without thinking about it, just do it. Your body is amazing at making all the correct athletic compensations to produce a desired movement if you just let it happen. You'll probably have great body sequencing when the only thought in your head was "move this baseball as fast as I can." I think most golf instructors teach the downswing backwards, as in most say what they want you to do FIRST.
When in fact, if you focus mostly on the outcome you want, or what you want to happen LAST (i.e. move my arms/hands as fast as I can), then just like the baseball, your body will naturally and athletically sequence itself to get to your desired outcome.
@@CosmicApe Thank you, Travisty!🙏
Guys, this might be your best video yet. Mind blown. Not only by the fact that pro hands max out earlier, but also HIGHER. For years I've been trying to accelerate my hands through the ball with a concept that the hands reach max speed PAST the ball (but before impact due to shaft lean). This was an amazing reality check. Actually tried this on my carpet (my wife hates AMG now) and by focusing on earlier acceleration, I got a much more powerful feeling and a faster "whoosh" of the club at the bottom of the swing. Can't wait to try this at the range! Thank you!!
Oh, this will be fun to test out. Thanks…super informative
Profound video showing that technique produces clubhead speed. Amazing that the 3mph faster hands can produce 18mph more speed. That’s Rory power. Most ams are trying to accelerate the hands through impact as opposed to the club.
I think you're exactly right. The downswing is a 1/4 second, doesn't leave time to be lazy with the acceleration.
What were the changes he made? What drills?
The changes he made are in the video and we didn't use or need drills for this. Concept is king for this😉
I am sorry but I did not understand in the video the changes made 🤨
@@shogoonp.bechler4601 9:45
Thank you for answering, but for me "sooner", "faster" and in the "right direction" are changes which can be applied in every mouvement, every sport and more generally everywhere 😕
I don’t want to be boring but, for the first time, I don’t really understand what you’re talking about 😎
@@shogoonp.bechler4601 The "sooner" was him no longer trying to "leave the hands up and turn first." The "faster" was the intent of adding speed to the grip end rather than just being passive. The "right direction" was the hand path moving downward rather than out. Make more sense?
Such a quality video, as always...thank you guys!
Thanks!
Thank you. Very interesting. Can't wait to try it.
Does this conflict w Harvey Penick’s “magic move” of slowly lowering the right arm and weight shifting in transition?
corddyson- Not at all. That's a way to get you to attack the ball from the inside , instead of coming over the top. Doing it "slowly" allows the information to be processed more easily. Once your coconut absorbs it, it's time to increase the tempo in order to get some respectable clubhead speed .
When increasing the hand speed as you mention, is that from rotation? My hands are typically the last thing to begin back toward the ball in my downswing. I just want to know if that means I need "faster hands" or if this is a result of rotation.
Great new format. Best content on TH-cam
Excellent!! Thank you so much.
You cover "what" needs to be done- hands moving faster earlier. But I don't quite understand "how" to do it. Does the thought of hand dropping before the hips help? THANKS-
Jeff Street look at his response to an earlier comment. He mentions also looking at 9:45 in the video.
I honestly just try to accelerate when I start my downswing. I never try to hold a lag angle, it does not work.
I don't think Palmer ever tried to hold his move with his arms back down to the ball either. He turned it on as soon as he could.
Subscribed. This is exactly the teaching info I’ve been needing
Valuable information. Thanks for sharing
Yeah, would love to know the move to get hand speed quicker
Give yourself the freedom to move them faster😊
Athletic Motion Golf What would be the “feel” for correct amount of tension in arms/hands when trying to move hands faster?
Art Vandelay do it the other way... move them faster first then see what that feels like to you.
Got to have a good transition using lower body. That’s where you get the whip action.
Just how do I go about increasing hand speed?
Its about reaching max hand speed sooner, not that I have the answer to that.
Lead the downswing with your hands smoothly and let the body react .
Have the club head pointing up towards the sky longer before hitting the ball..
very enlightening lesson. Can't wait to try it
This is an amazing video!!! I have a 5.3 index and have struggled with lag FOREVER! No matter what I do I have trouble creating more lag on the down swing. I can't wait to try your tips.
Thank you!!
It is cool video and give you lot of insights. But, I wonder how many amateurs are going to see this and think quick hands = better lag. Think lot of people are going to go to range and start these quick jerky downswings that burn up speed too quickly instead of accelerating their clubs. This might be where too much info necessarily isn't good thing or beneficial.
Ya I’m not sure what to take away from this.
I don’t get it. How to be faster in hands earlier?
That would have been a good final 3 minutes for this video because thinking "faster, earlier" will cause many people problems. The amateur being shown in this video received a lesson to make this happen. It would be good to know what exactly he was told to do. What exactly he was told to guard against, etc. How did he hold his lag without 'trying' to hold his lag? There must have been some drills or physical sensations that were suggested to help this amateur make it happen correctly. Other than that, the mechanics and data shown are pretty awesome.
Theres nothing to get. Video wasnt for you, me, or any other youtube viewer. Waste of time watching this.
@@jacobbelmontes4899 Who was the video for?
@@Randsurfer I think the video was more of an advertisement of technology available to perform a swing speed analysis. Again, the video doesnt tell us how to increase our speed, so that's why I concluded it with "waste of time"
Really eye opening analysis of hand speed and when it needs to be applied!
Such an amazing video chaps, learning heaps 💪🍻
How did he increase his hand speed earlier? What did he do to make that happen? Thanks guys!
Yup. They never answer the most important question that needs to be addressed by this video. Incredible.
I would say feel like you pull down on the handle earlier
MAKES TOTAL SENSE BUT THOUGHT YOU WOULD D SHARE A DRILL FRO FEEL THIS MOVEMENT BY TE END OF THE VIDEO ...
Exactly what I was thinking. It's all good to see but what the hell do I do?
Pull down on the handle from the top of the backswing before you unwind body/torso?
Just found you guys on TH-cam brilliant... can't wait to try some of your tip in my new simulator room 👍
I was aware of this hands in front of the ball at impact but thought on the terms of more ball compression resulting in more ball speed many thanks for the video
So...this is counter-intuitive to the old teaching of "don't RIP from the top" right??
It is not counter-intuitive. This is exactly what Nicklaus is talking about in his release. It is understanding the nuance of the concept of reaching the max hand speed sooner, not from the top. Watch the graphic comparisons again while processing this detail: The faster swing, release starts just under the shoulder line and the standard swing release of most golfers occurs when the hands are under the rib cage. This is the critical zone where the "angles are spent" differently. That is a free gem.
@@ericgamboa1617 :)
How can you see that the release is starting earlier? Sorry, but I can't track this down. Thank's.
I'd imagine it'll be a hard for amateurs to increase the hand speed at the start of the downswing as most amateurs will surely cast the club more, due to lack of trail hand wrist cup and not getting the trail elbow down and in front of the hip.
We do it every day with ams. Poor wrist angles will make any downswing difficult, but they can't be used as an excuse😊
Do you have a drill to encourage this? What did am do with you to fix this?
It shouldn't be. You can easily move your hands super fast without casting and without holding the angle. To feel how to do this, from the top of the swing take your lead hand off the club, lay the club on your arm and shoulder and leave it there while you swing your hand as fast as you can.
@@AthleticMotionGolf thank you for this video. So how do you actually achieve this in your swing?.
@@scifisicko2390 hi I don't understand the laying of the club on your arm? Can you please explain that or even link me to a video or article that shows how to do your drill to increase clubhead speed.
Many thanks.
Thanks for the vid. This will actually help me a bit I think👍
this video is fantastic. never had anyone mention that increasing hand acceleration increases lag. Ive heard all kinds of tips about what to do with the hands at the top like the AM in the video has heard. Keeping them passive isnt gonna be a thought i have anymore
Does the increased and “quicker” hand speed come from a conscious effort to pull the hands down harder in the downswing?
It's a fairly natural thing to do, Mike. But we find that intent is the biggest roadblock causing it to be slower than it needs to be. Using the arms, for some reason, has gotten to be a phobia for many golfers. It's hard to make the arms and hands move faster earlier if you don't use them. The best in the world use them.
Reminds me of the of the old Leslie King "free arm swing" concept back in the day. Julie Inkster was taught this by Mr King.
john Mule very cool. We can measure and qualify more today then in the past, but there’s really nothing new in the golf swing.
I LOVE your stuff. Scientifically proven. I have 78 mph 7 iron speed but way too much wrist cock, we're working on less wrist cock and throwing the clubhead from the top- essentially what you're saying. I need to do it much faster and earlier. I'm a Malaska convert and this proves it. Thanks guys. Best coaching content on TH-cam.
I am going to be working with this. I have lost clubhead speed over the last few years (decades). I think this is what I was doing (somewhat) more naturally in my. I do note that the "pros" had more shoulder rotation and that never hurts to get the hands higher, the right elbow higher, and the right shoulder higher, so there is more to pull down with, allowing an individual to pull down with more speed sooner. Anyway, I will be working on this. I hope to be able to take top quality lessons, maybe from AMG, one day.
incredible information...thanks!!!
Learning as AMG has taught me to properly shallow the club unto itself seems to have promoted faster hand speed earlier in my downswing. Once at max hand speed a little below hip level my hands and arms are now in a great position to efficiently rotate down into and through the ball. Confidence gained from this improved technique has been a real breakthrough for me. Thank you!
I was going to post the exact same comment. Shallowing the club greatly improved the time it took me to achieve maximum hand speed. The ball is snapping off the club face with seemingly less effort. Loving the game again.
Thanks soo much that was fabulous!! I have been waiting for someone to explain exactly what you just said!!
Great!!!
Nice...I want to work on this...never heard this before!!!