Must be letting A I Think up a Title ? I Don't Remember This from The Reagan Era. All I Remember is the Fishing Research Ship That a Sub came up Underneath it and It Sunk off of Hawaii. "Plain Old Human Error" !!
Great video, but fix the title. Saying the sub "Punished" the Japanese is rude, disrespectful, false, and clickbait. People lost their lives in this event and it wasn't like they did anything to deserve "punishment" nor was anyone trying to punish them. This was an accident.
#1, How does a sub run into a surface ship? A freighter is LOUD and every submarine has people listening for noises in the seawater outside their sub with their passive sonar system. In plain English, they have microphones in the water on the outside of the ship that are there so the crew can hear other ships. They can hear a surface ship, especially a civilian freighter, many miles away. The only way possible for them to have not heard it, is if the freighter was sitting still in the water with all the engines off. Even then, the sonar team on the submarine would hear waves hitting the freighter's hull, cooks in the kitchen washing pots, crew members walking down stairs, etc., etc. So, that is a real mystery. #2, How does a submarine hit a ship and damage the ship more than it was damaged itself? This IS possible because subs are made to be extremely strong to withstand the incredibly high pressure the sea puts on them when they are deep under water. Surface ships are made of much thinner steel. The sail of a submarine is the rectangular shaped section that sticks up from the cigar shaped, main part of the sub. It's possible for the top front corner of the sub's sail to have hit the side of a ship near its bottom. The sub's sail would have punctured the ship's hull and rolled the ship slightly. The sub would have been shoved downward by an unknown distance, but probably no more than a few feet. If the sub had been any closer to the surface, the sub probably would have been damaged more, perhaps severely. But it was probably at the exact depth needed for the outcome that happened. If it had been a foot lower in the water, it may have hit but caused only slight damage to the ship.
There is a further reason the sail on the sub would only be lightly damaged. She was built not as the first nuclear powered submarine. That honor belongs to the Nautilus. But she had the same feature built into the sail. The fortified strength to brake through ice while moving under the arctic ice cap. In essence, the sail was deliberately designed to punch a hole in something that possesed a huge strength in itself along with a considerable weight to be pushed aside. The bare (and predictable) results of that would make it almost certain that the sail would cut thrugh a normal civilian ships hull like the proverbial knife through hot butter. Which actually leads to a third point of extra interest. Even disregarding the mysterious inability to discover such a big vessel approaching, with the skipper, XO and engineering officers supposedly well prepared knowledge of the extra strength of the sail, it becomes highly strange that they did understand that they had been in a collision with the Maru, but nevertheless did NOT fully surface and take contact to her in order to asses the damage on both vessels and clear out the immediate paperwork in connection to the foreseeable dispute about responsibility. That is normal procedure in peace time and the very least that can be expected by both military and civiian ships. And in this case it would also have made it immediately clear to the sub that the Maru was sinking rapidly. The decision of the skipper to not surface fully is therefore one that should have raised a LOT of eyebrows. Including in the US navy and it's submarine command. AND on the XO and engineering staff of the sub itself. Because even if they did not question the skipper on what he said he could see, they should at least want very persistently to make a visual inspection of the sail on the outside to determine the safety of diving or staying on the surface and head for port for repairs. And in the next breath, they should also have had their passive sonar homed very sharply in on the Maru, listening for telltale signs of abnormalities or indications that she appeared to be just going on her merry way. Yet, this ALSO does not seem to have been the case, and if I had been the XO or engineering officer onboard, my eyebrows would both have shot up so far as to move my hairline all the way back to the lower backside of my neck. I hate to say it, being a navy sailor myself, but this whole thing smacks enormously of a huge coverup from all the officers and central NCO's on the sub to try to pin the blame on the Maru exclusively. Maybe even from some of the enlisted men onboard. There are simply too many things that doesn't add up to even just normal and relaxed operation of the sub and even more that contradicts basic safety for a submerged sub. Nothing in what I heard about the actions of the sub (or in some cases lack thereoff) during the situation around the approach and collision and subsequent sinking of the Maru makes any sense at all. Not even considering that it is a boomer with all the secrecy that comes along with that.
@@aquaman5144 The sub should have heard other sounds from the freighter. The freighter's mechanics had to be working on the engine all night. That creates metallic sounds that the sub's sonar would hear very clearly. However, a ship with a dead engine would be much quieter than one that's under power.
Reminds me of my experience touring the USS Greenville in California, the submarine went to Hawaii next, where it did the emergency blow that killed all of the Japanese students aboard the fishing boat that of course sank. Subs sink ships, even when not at war. The sub was totaled as well, main-shaft bent.
I am subscribed to this channel watched it loads in the past and for some reason it seemed like the thing I wanted to watch today. But I then realised I haven't watched it in ages. It's not getting recomnded to me at all and I haven't seen it in my feed for months. I have no idea how these things work. But this channel makes great content and I wish it wash pushed more. I will watch a couple bofore I fall asleap.
Why is the sub traveling at periscope depth but nobody is searching the surface with said periscope? Where was the radio operator? Where was the hydrophone operator? When did run away after a collision become a tactic? WTF?
Why the title? What did Japan do to be punished? Weren't the nuclear attacks enough? You should reevaluate yourself because this seems so incredibly racist. Moreover, it just reiterates the bully stance you Americans take over every other nation on earth.
Post-war, Japan had few mechant ships and limited steel, and since torpedoes were no longer an issue, their ships probablly had relatively thin hulls. In contrast, the sail of these subs was designed to break through polar ice. The sub probably ripped out the bottom of the hull below the waterline. I am surprised the captain did not advise the P3 to monitor the freighter however. That was a bad decision. On the other hand, how did the sub not detect the freighter that close by? They should have been able with active and passive sonar to detect it, unless the ship was not moving - maybe the freighter was actually surveilling the sub? Something not right…
I used to love this channel, watching every video. All of the "dark" channels associated with this channel have completely fallen off. From ai voices, to incorrect photos & videos relating to other events & incidents. Also, why the hell are they using a photo of a RO-RO ship on fire??? 🤡🤡🤡 Guess I'll be unsubbing.
The President at the time was General Eisenhower who was an strong admirer of Lee as a General; though not of his participation in the rebellion. Like many real people, Lee was neither a saint nor a demon. There are aspects of his life that can be criticized and some that can be admired or praised. Lee gets more criticism today then he did when I was a kid.
Now, imagine modern US nuclear ballistic missile sub sailors attempting to command and operate a 1960s US sub...considering the fact that EVERYTHING is computer controlled nowadays, it'd be like Xbox One and PS5 players going back to Atari or Tandy...almost pre MS-DOS.
While the content is up to scratch....The TITLE is VERY misleading and off point entirely! I expect better of this channel! "America's first Ballistic Sub Causes Cold War Grief With Japan" would be more appropriate.
I won't chastise you for the misleading video title, rather I'm surprised the US Navy had a vessel after a Confederate general. Even if he was a respected general in the US Army before the Civil War, he was a seditionist.
Agree with another poster, this is one of the worst headlines. Since when does Dark Seas stoop so low to have this kind of click bait?
Forever?
@@neilcherry6452 you new here? Ain't nothing new.
Must be letting A I Think up a Title ? I Don't Remember This from The Reagan Era. All I Remember is the Fishing Research Ship That a Sub came up Underneath it and It Sunk off of Hawaii. "Plain Old Human Error" !!
Clickbait
This is a stupid headline.
I was just thinking the same thing.
Agreed. No idea why he thought this was a good idea.
This is either insanely stupid or it was completely generated by the 3rd rate Ai that is ‘powering’ this site’s narrator.😮
They always are.
Exactly!
I think right now, Japan is happy to have the US on their soil so close to China.
Usually when a boat doesn’t look badly damaged, they don’t sink in 20 minutes.
You have no idea what really happened, they tell only a partial truth.
Was the sonar operator asleep at his post he could have heard that ship miles away and knew it's position and speed criminal negligence.
Depends on if the ship was moving or not they listen for prop cavitation if the boat was drifting they might not heard them at all
You could have picked a better headline. The lead shouldn't bury the story, but it also should not distort it.
2:27 These submarines were and are built in my city of Groton/New London CT.
My grandfather retired as CHIEF OF NUCLEAR DESIGN!
Great video, but fix the title. Saying the sub "Punished" the Japanese is rude, disrespectful, false, and clickbait. People lost their lives in this event and it wasn't like they did anything to deserve "punishment" nor was anyone trying to punish them. This was an accident.
#1, How does a sub run into a surface ship? A freighter is LOUD and every submarine has people listening for noises in the seawater outside their sub with their passive sonar system. In plain English, they have microphones in the water on the outside of the ship that are there so the crew can hear other ships. They can hear a surface ship, especially a civilian freighter, many miles away. The only way possible for them to have not heard it, is if the freighter was sitting still in the water with all the engines off. Even then, the sonar team on the submarine would hear waves hitting the freighter's hull, cooks in the kitchen washing pots, crew members walking down stairs, etc., etc. So, that is a real mystery.
#2, How does a submarine hit a ship and damage the ship more than it was damaged itself? This IS possible because subs are made to be extremely strong to withstand the incredibly high pressure the sea puts on them when they are deep under water. Surface ships are made of much thinner steel. The sail of a submarine is the rectangular shaped section that sticks up from the cigar shaped, main part of the sub. It's possible for the top front corner of the sub's sail to have hit the side of a ship near its bottom. The sub's sail would have punctured the ship's hull and rolled the ship slightly. The sub would have been shoved downward by an unknown distance, but probably no more than a few feet. If the sub had been any closer to the surface, the sub probably would have been damaged more, perhaps severely. But it was probably at the exact depth needed for the outcome that happened. If it had been a foot lower in the water, it may have hit but caused only slight damage to the ship.
There is a further reason the sail on the sub would only be lightly damaged. She was built not as the first nuclear powered submarine. That honor belongs to the Nautilus. But she had the same feature built into the sail. The fortified strength to brake through ice while moving under the arctic ice cap. In essence, the sail was deliberately designed to punch a hole in something that possesed a huge strength in itself along with a considerable weight to be pushed aside. The bare (and predictable) results of that would make it almost certain that the sail would cut thrugh a normal civilian ships hull like the proverbial knife through hot butter.
Which actually leads to a third point of extra interest. Even disregarding the mysterious inability to discover such a big vessel approaching, with the skipper, XO and engineering officers supposedly well prepared knowledge of the extra strength of the sail, it becomes highly strange that they did understand that they had been in a collision with the Maru, but nevertheless did NOT fully surface and take contact to her in order to asses the damage on both vessels and clear out the immediate paperwork in connection to the foreseeable dispute about responsibility. That is normal procedure in peace time and the very least that can be expected by both military and civiian ships. And in this case it would also have made it immediately clear to the sub that the Maru was sinking rapidly.
The decision of the skipper to not surface fully is therefore one that should have raised a LOT of eyebrows. Including in the US navy and it's submarine command. AND on the XO and engineering staff of the sub itself. Because even if they did not question the skipper on what he said he could see, they should at least want very persistently to make a visual inspection of the sail on the outside to determine the safety of diving or staying on the surface and head for port for repairs.
And in the next breath, they should also have had their passive sonar homed very sharply in on the Maru, listening for telltale signs of abnormalities or indications that she appeared to be just going on her merry way. Yet, this ALSO does not seem to have been the case, and if I had been the XO or engineering officer onboard, my eyebrows would both have shot up so far as to move my hairline all the way back to the lower backside of my neck.
I hate to say it, being a navy sailor myself, but this whole thing smacks enormously of a huge coverup from all the officers and central NCO's on the sub to try to pin the blame on the Maru exclusively. Maybe even from some of the enlisted men onboard. There are simply too many things that doesn't add up to even just normal and relaxed operation of the sub and even more that contradicts basic safety for a submerged sub. Nothing in what I heard about the actions of the sub (or in some cases lack thereoff) during the situation around the approach and collision and subsequent sinking of the Maru makes any sense at all. Not even considering that it is a boomer with all the secrecy that comes along with that.
The freighter was dead in the water,early am in fog,the sub hit the engine room for below. Thats why it sunk so fast.
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Excellent points.
@@aquaman5144
The sub should have heard other sounds from the freighter. The freighter's mechanics had to be working on the engine all night. That creates metallic sounds that the sub's sonar would hear very clearly. However, a ship with a dead engine would be much quieter than one that's under power.
@@deezynarit depends upon what if any equipment was running. It's not unique that subs have collisions or run aground.
I very much enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up
Reminds me of my experience touring the USS Greenville in California, the submarine went to Hawaii next, where it did the emergency blow that killed all of the Japanese students aboard the fishing boat that of course sank. Subs sink ships, even when not at war. The sub was totaled as well, main-shaft bent.
Jimmy Carter? No great surprise.
What happened to this channel? It used to be such a well run show.
Why does the thumbnail show the Russian insignia and not a US one?
THESE NEW AI TITLES AND FACTS HAVE RUINED THIS CHANNEL!!!
This is totally bogus, the USS George Washington was christened in 1990, must be some kind of time warp!!
Great presentation!
Thank you.
7:00 NUCLEAR SUBMARINES DO NOT REQUIRE REFUELING.
ESPECIALLY AFTER ONLY 10 YEARS
I am subscribed to this channel watched it loads in the past and for some reason it seemed like the thing I wanted to watch today. But I then realised I haven't watched it in ages. It's not getting recomnded to me at all and I haven't seen it in my feed for months. I have no idea how these things work. But this channel makes great content and I wish it wash pushed more. I will watch a couple bofore I fall asleap.
This channel is going downhill. Bad vid names and a lot of facts are very often wrong. Unsubscribing and blocking.
Not an airport bud, no need to announce your departure
Bye 🤡
No one cares.
@ you clearly deeply care seeing as you took the time to comment. I appreciate the care and time you devoted to my comment it really shows you CARE. 👍
@smith5312 man your real special eh
Why is the sub traveling at periscope depth but nobody is searching the surface with said periscope? Where was the radio operator? Where was the hydrophone operator? When did run away after a collision become a tactic? WTF?
There's more to the story than what was described, like fog!
This channel with its clicks it images and lame internet titles has fallen down so much
112 officers AND men?
It could be a great channel but for the hyperbolic headlines and the earnest, almost secretive narration. I can’t take any more of it.
Why the title? What did Japan do to be punished? Weren't the nuclear attacks enough? You should reevaluate yourself because this seems so incredibly racist. Moreover, it just reiterates the bully stance you Americans take over every other nation on earth.
Fixing to unsubscribe...
Fixing?
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How about, US sub assaults Japanese ship?
How about, “What the hell happened?” The loss of life should have been avoidable.
Great video that they speaked to us today during Japan punish.
Sail? What is a subs sail?
The conningtower..
The conning tower is called a sail once it’s streamlined.
Post-war, Japan had few mechant ships and limited steel, and since torpedoes were no longer an issue, their ships probablly had relatively thin hulls. In contrast, the sail of these subs was designed to break through polar ice. The sub probably ripped out the bottom of the hull below the waterline. I am surprised the captain did not advise the P3 to monitor the freighter however. That was a bad decision. On the other hand, how did the sub not detect the freighter that close by? They should have been able with active and passive sonar to detect it, unless the ship was not moving - maybe the freighter was actually surveilling the sub? Something not right…
I used to love this channel, watching every video.
All of the "dark" channels associated with this channel have completely fallen off.
From ai voices, to incorrect photos & videos relating to other events & incidents.
Also, why the hell are they using a photo of a RO-RO ship on fire??? 🤡🤡🤡
Guess I'll be unsubbing.
The Robert E. Lee ? It's hard to believe the navy would choose this name.
Robert E Lee was a genius. He was also Lincoln’s first choice as commander of the union armies. Lee declined.
The President at the time was General Eisenhower who was an strong admirer of Lee as a General; though not of his participation in the rebellion. Like many real people, Lee was neither a saint nor a demon. There are aspects of his life that can be criticized and some that can be admired or praised. Lee gets more criticism today then he did when I was a kid.
Now, imagine modern US nuclear ballistic missile sub sailors attempting to command and operate a 1960s US sub...considering the fact that EVERYTHING is computer controlled nowadays, it'd be like Xbox One and PS5 players going back to Atari or Tandy...almost pre MS-DOS.
Like punishing anyone after peace is established is a good thing? How idiotic
What about the time we done that to the tug Celtic with its barge on the Long Island sound…….
...and get blocked as soon as the web page detects you using a ad blocker.
2 minutes in, and the musics given me a migraine.
Ditto😮
While the content is up to scratch....The TITLE is VERY misleading and off point entirely! I expect better of this channel! "America's first Ballistic Sub Causes Cold War Grief With Japan" would be more appropriate.
Imay have to.remove the Dark channels. Seems to be slipping in context and using click bait. So sad.
I have to agree. Dumbest. Title. Ever. In fact after this is posted I’m not watching because of it.
Click bait title, a dislike for this video.
Great content.
Just more of a clickbait headline to get more clicks. SHAME on you, Dark Seas!
your submarines are sinking all ships these days
Oops
Shame on you Dark Seas for such a misleading headline. I'm no longer subscribed to your channel.
Horrid narration, don’t like this channel generally because of the narration.
This site has become simple clickbait, lacking accurate facts. I'm gone
6:25 To me naming a ship after Robert E. Lee is tantamount to naming an aircraft carrier “The Osama Bin Laden” both wanted the destruction of the U.S.
Well everyone can’t help being lazy just to make sure AI takes over or writing not so good descriptions and rushing videos.
aaayeeooo why the george washington go after a cotton ship?
Not much damage to the sub but it sinks the ship?????
Click bait BS..should be ashamed.
Worst headline and ai facts. Channel has fell off. Shame
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I won't chastise you for the misleading video title, rather I'm surprised the US Navy had a vessel after a Confederate general. Even if he was a respected general in the US Army before the Civil War, he was a seditionist.
STUPID! The title of the video; The US Sub that Punished Japan 36 Years Late, has nothing at all to do with the video.
This is how you lose subscribers 🙄🙄
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This is how you lose subscribers
Get a proper crew on your ships and set a proper watch like a Navy ship and this will never happen again
Unsubscribed
The title of this video is a low blow.
IF THERE WAS SOVIET SUBMARINE, WE WOULD KNOW NOTHING ABOUT INCIDENT. Unfortunate circumstances 🤷
Bye bye
POLE -AIR-IS not POLE-ARE-IS
FAFO
Boo Hoo Hoo. It was an accident. The Japanese should have called for help or something. It is not like the Navy did it on purpose.
Ah, who F-ING cares?
Clearly you did, enough to comment.
Poor title - 🤡