Elder Scrolls VI appears on the screen Suddenly Letter rearrange I moves in front of V, forming IV IV = 4 = Oblivion Oblivion remake confirmed Except it's not oblivion remake, it's Oblivion's horse armor for Skyrim DLC. Alternatively it's Fallout 4 Super Special(It won't break mods this time we promise) Edition
It's very obvious, in retrospect. They blatantly prioritized their own desires over what the people wanted, likely under the argument that they can make great things if they make something they're passionate about, and they're sick of just Fallout and TES. However, there's immediate problems here: 1) Indirect admittance they're sick of their own worlds they've created. Huge red flag. This cuts both ways, and it implies there's a lack of passion for those IPs, so how can we expect quality from the next game in those franchises...? 2) Todd allegedly is good at "trimming the fat" and focusing on the core issues. This has been praised with mixed attitudes, cause for example it can mean he can cut extra details that players *would* appreciate, they're just harder to find. However, whatever you think of this is beside the point, because the point here is: where was that attitude with Starfield...? Basically, Starfield got special treatment. It violated all kinds of rules of both good business and both good game development, and instead they were just doing it because it's Todd Howard's baby and his passion project. No compromises were made with the scope of the universe or the planets, no reflection about how "realistic space" will inevitably result in boring empty spaces or how chasing such a concept seems odd when realism would mean every single gunshot is fatal just by virtue of piercing the spacesuit, and no critical questions about how feasible the project is. They disregarded what people wanted. They disregarded some of the more negative rules about game development and keeping expectations grounded. They disregarded blatant issues with the core theme and design of their new universe they've crafted. They blatantly put the cart before the horse and paid for it big time.
I disagree. It helped to wake people up about how crap Bethesda is and how Todd's leadership is one that is defined by cutting mechanics and writing rather than adding mechanics and improving writing.
@@Longknife I disagree on the "boring space" point. I was actually crazily disappointed by Starfield, I tried liking this game so much. But in the end, I couldnt get myself to like it. And the two most problematic things were the 1) boring characters and uninspired quests and 2) the horrible game design. the "2)" is directly linked to your point. I think the procedual generation was horrible, because random loot and random fortresses are way more uncool than talking with your friends to learn about a specific quest or item to search for. Think about the daedric quests for example, the live-blood of Skyrim. Or the way they handled the powers in Starfield. They did that better in Skyrim back then. Where you found your dragon shouts after completing a tomb. It was "play quest a), get shout XY as a bonus". And now it's just a walking simulator to get something we used to get as a bonus. The very concept of Starfield's approach on how to give you quests, cool locations, items and powers was fundamentally flawed. I actually liked walking around in the semi-realistic space. But it was so horribly unrewarding to play that I completed the game's main quest, uninstalled the game and now hide it in my steam library.
Even once Elder Scrolls 6 finally releases, I don't think it will live up to expectations in any capacity. Let's be real: Bethesda has proven that they've stagnated entirely. It will effectively be a somewhat-better Skyrim. But by the time it releases, "Somewhat better-Skyrim" will feel wholly and entirely out of date. It won't feel like a true 20-years-later-sequel. It's going to be bad.
You know what the craziest part of that statement is? It actually doesn’t seem like that wild of a stat anymore. For all of 1 second my brain wants to go “holy moly, that’s crazy!”, but then after that 1 second is over it’s like “yeah that trailer was so long ago, it totally makes sense.”
@@varvarith3090 Morrowind fans sort of do deserve it though. They are the customers/audience that saved Bethesda financially. And there has been at most 2 spiritual successor indies made. Oblivion is like it is from a different series so there isn't even a literal sequel
5:26 Bethesda Game Studios didn't make Indiana Jones, that was a different studio. They should have been focused on Elder Scrolls 6 since Starfield launched. So that's one year of full development time, not including the concept stages. I'm not sure how people still think publishers are the ones making video games. Bethesda Game Studios (Skyrim, Fallout 4) and Bethesda Softworks (the publisher) are two different entities.
Yep I am aware and should have touched on it more. They only published it but still it’s something that was on their “to do list” that should clear space for ES6
@GoatedSynro don't confuse Bethesda Softworks and Bethesda Game Studios. Softworks publishes games, BGS develops games. Both entities are owned by ZeniMax, which is in turn owned by Microsoft. And that is the main issue. It's no longer a handful of talented devs creating passion projects. Instead, it is a giant corporate machine trying to create art by committee and squeeze as much profit as possible.
@GoatedSynro The issue is Todd Howard, he wants to be the grand director for Fallout and Elder Scrolls. This is why we are yet to get a New Vegas 2 or another Fallout from Obsidian.
@@MattChew2 Todd Howard has like 2 other people above him he is just the fall guy. Obsidian is making avowed which they wanted to be like New vegas but in the ES world, Bethesda turned it down though.
No, that is very easy. You simply never mention Ulfric or Tullius ever again. You simply state that the war has ended and now Skyrim has joined the war against the Thalmor. Or you do a timeskip where all known people would have died anyway.
@@jasperzanovich2504 and also they will probably take their usual route and put in two new books, each with its own perspective about the war, one talking about the Stormcloaks' pyrrhic victory, and other about Empire's pyrrhic victory. We can expect that Thalmor will be driven out of Skyrim either way after some events, perhaps after a battle at the foot of the Throat of the World. Nevertheless, Skyrim as a province will be tired and bleeding and overall irrelevant to the plot, apart from obvious easter eggs Todd would never miss including.
They'll either go with what happened in the main quest "season unending", where a ceasefire is called and then just stays, or cause a Dragon Break and somehow have both sides win. Or both, who knows!
Well, they could have had a cease-fire then Skyrim joins the empire in the second great war, and then Skyrim is just no longer part of the empire after the war🤷🏻♂️
@@unclefester1840 Too complicated for them. They need this to be solved by a single writer before lunch. Otherwise, it will cost too much and this will affect their bottom line.
Microsoft buying the studio has become the kiss of death. These larger businesses are just eliminating competition they aren't trying to make more better games. Its monopolistic.
People that know how companies develop and work overtime can see all too well whats going on. Bethesda died a long time ago. We are just waiting for the casket to shut. When a company is this chronically ignorant and inefficient theres zero saving it. This is why IP's are flawed. A company gets a few good installments and then think they can do whaever they want if they just gaslight hard enough. They got away with it for awhile but now nah. Its over. elder scrolls is officially dead until IP laws change. You should not be able to own idea's. its solely responsible for this mess.
I disagree with you, I believe Microsoft actually soften the blow of starfeild. They were for sure releasing that game in 2022 and it would of been a mess. I believe Microsoft saw that and said no it’s getting delayed.
Microsoft seems to be a wishy washy thing, monopolies are not cool at all but added pressure of being totally erased as a smaller company by your larger owner might be enough for Bethesda to not release swill that is either a marginal improvement and 5 steps back or just 5 steps back. Shouldn't work like that, but if Bethesda has stagnated to the point of now then way I see it that's just company natural selection. If you won't deliver on your end in a contractual agreement or are releasing bland, grey sludge over and over and the big company you willfully signed with is shilling out the dough for you to exist then I don't think it's particularly unfair for them to assimilate Bethesda into the Microsoft entirely like what happened to pandemic studios with EA. It's 2025 now, this was a fun gag 8 years ago but now it's stale like Bethesda.
This is happening in every industry right now and why we need unions and enforcement of anti-competition or anti-trust laws as well as the breakup of big obese companies.
I gave up on Elder Scrolls 6 a few years ago, about the same time I gave up on George R. R. Martin finishing A Song of Ice and Fire. Lost ALL interest in either, and I bought and played EVERY Elder Scrolls since Arena....yes I am that old. My opinion is that Bethesda thinks it can milk the earlier Elder Scrolls games a few more times....without putting forth any effort.
You can probably blame ESO too on why their ass isn't on fire to produce something good and fast. Blizzard knows, they've been milking WOW for decades.
2011 really was a terrible year in hindsight with the last installment of Bethesda's Elder Scrolls, Martin's a Song of Ice and Fire, and Patrick Rothfuss's Kingkiller Chronicle. Hell, I hate 2011.
Honestly, I think Bethesda is being ran by idiots lol like their budgets for games are 10 times higher than they were in the skyrim days. Why is there not to separate teams working on games? Like in other words, when Starfield was being made, Bethesda should’ve been developing elder scrolls, six with the B team, and then when Starfield was released, they should’ve transferred over the majority of the A-Team to help the beat team with elder scrolls, cutting the timeframe between games down from like 6 to 8 years to like three years.
I don't think that their goal is to release more games. Their goal is to make more money. This is a different thing. Making games costs money. Releasing the same game 5 times is much cheaper. Using the "Creation DLC" excuse as a new packaging to reintroduce the good old 'microtransactions' that got so much backlash in the past costs them almost nothing and allows them to increase thir bottom line with next to no risks, simply by miking decade old releases like Skyrim even further. Why do you think they released turds like ESO or 76? Obviously, because single player games can't satisfy their greed anymore. They want something to milk for one or two decades so that they can have high monetary benefits for next to zero investment. It is the utopia of the 'IP' concept: 'use a brand's image in order to cut costs' to the point of making them almost disappear, while still reaping steady and massive benefits. Right now, they are trying to get the most benefit possible from Skyrim and their online turds. Releasing a new single player game not only would cost money, but they would end up competing against themselves. As long as ESO, 76 and Skyrim bring them money, it is much safer not to release any new Fallout or TES. THat would spending a lot of money with no guarantee for the massive bottom line they are aiming for. Bethesda is doing VERY well. Which is Microsoft spent so much money to buy it in 2021, despite te controversies around their later releases. I mean, how many bought Starfield day one? Enough so that it was the best start of Bethesda's history. Even if TES VI is the worst turd of the decade when it releases, it will still be profitable for sure. Just, probably not enough to satsfy the lusty greed of their shareholders.
@ such a terrible business plan. Skyrim was a sort of one off thing. Also, they still make dumb decisions even if they’re doing things like that for instance, when Skyrim first came to the switch, I honestly assumed that within a year we would have fallout three in new Vegas on there and seven years later we don’t have any of the other games besides this made but it makes me wondering why? Like they’re just leaving cash on the table there’s a whole generation of Nintendo fans who never played Fallout who would pick it up in a heartbeat just like they did with Skyrim. Like I grew up on fallout three in new Vegas, so I was really bummed that I can never play a portable. Just odd. Same thing for oblivion when Skyrim sold really well on the switch. Why didn’t they quickly pour oblivion like the next year onto the switch? It’s seriously just seems so odd.
@@Faceplay2 I seem to remember that i read somehwere that it is because they simply can't port those properly. For whatever reason. Or maybe, they think that investing money to do that wouldn't return enough benefits. See, in the past, and even in present day, for a company to live on, it needs to ear enough profits to pays the employees and the bills. But something weird started happening in the USA. What became remunerated is not work anymore. It is capital. This is where capitalism failed. All this situation is simply the obvious sign that it failed hard. Think about it... The business policy in the USA tends to bne "maximum short term profit". It is understandable. Even if you make a decision that jeopardize long term benefits for the sake of maximising short term benefit, if you continue to apply the "short term benefit over all else" doctrine, then that simply means you will have to handle the problem down the line. There, you see lie, manipulations, information control... After EA released the crappy Dragon Age II 1 year after Origins in order to cash of the DA brand, they knew there would be backlash. Still, despite that, they maniopulated information in order to have gullible fools continue to by DA games up to the Veilguard. That is how they do things. Devs interviews with lies and fake informatins on non existent features. Paying gamer magasines or TH-camers to rewrite History, or simply make people forget about the previous scandal. Artificially building hype to fasten this process... That is how the gaming industry works, especially to corporate one from the USA. And as frustrating as it is to watch all this... this works like a charm. What does this mean? If you have a board of shareholders and a company director that need to consider where to invest 10 000 000 $, they will consider the expected bottom line and delays. If they can get 20 000 000 within 5 years, 12 000 000 within one year or 30 000 000 within 10 years, something like that. They may discord a 60% profit over 3 years if they believe they can make 30% within a year. In short, these businesses are not about paying the bills and the employees... It is about ending with the largest possible margins at the end of year, not matter what. And this is because of these policies that we see companies like EA or Bethesda going down the gutter. Thing is, mindsets outside the USA tend to be different. This is why you have companies like Owlcat (Russian), CDPR (Polish) or Larian (Belgian) in Europe. THe mindset is different. Sven told that Larian wasn't to sell while he could have made massive benefits by selling it just before BG3 released. But money is not the priority. Hence they released games like BG3, refuse to create any DLC, put the added content in free patches, and refuse to work on a sequel, going back to their old Divinity franchise of ISO RPGs. Quite frankly, i have no trust whatsoever in EA or Bethesda. I would - for real - rather bet on a random guy, give him 20 bucks, ask him if he can help me to do something without having any guarantee that he will come... than give these bucks to EA or Bethesda in hope they will release something even half decent. How so many people seem to still value those is very frankly waaaaaayyyyy beyond me. As for me, i started Fallout with Fallout 1. I despise Fallout 3 to the core, obviously.
It's actually insane it's now 2025 and they teased this game in 2018. That's the length of time they went from releasing Fallout 3 in 2008 and then Fallout 4 in 2015.
It's almost like they teased the game without having it in production so the teaser isn't tied to the timeframe of TES VI release, huh. It makes you think...
What drives me potty is the realisation that I’m going to miss out on years of, hopefully, happy times in ES6, because Bethesda prioritised Starfield instead. That really burns as I’m no spring chicken and have limited time to enjoy games before the big sleep kicks in. Now, if Starfield had been great - no problem, but the fact that Starfield is SO BAD, has just spooked everyone out.
@@mrtrizzle3653it’s not just a game, though… it’s a message about the future of gaming. It’s a deliberate lowering of the bar and if all the “just” customers shrug it off as “just” a game, then they would be doing future generations a terrible disservice in favour of greedy, profit driven developers.
@ look at the industry as a whole. And then tell me. Isn’t it time that this shitshow ends with all its liberal propaganda? Oh and by the way I could imagine being able to choose non binary as a gender in the new elder scrolls if it continues as it is.
I just don’t think Bethesda knows what fans want anymore. They’re so focused on making there game bigger than the last. Why’ll more and more depth and rpg mechanics get left by the wayside.
More than anything, i don't think they care. Why would you think they do? They are simply relying on you to buy their turds just because it is written 'The Elder Scrolls" on top of it. And you WILL buy it. And then, they expect modders to do the dev job in their stead so that you will be able to write in a decade: 'TES6, bst game ever'. I mean, this is so repetitive a scheme by now, i still marvel at how so many people don't seem to see the obvious... Probably due to a severe lack of emphasis on critical thinking in modern day education.
Bethesda absolutely knows what their fans want. I believe they have been vocal for decades, it's just that Bethesda doesn't care. Don't believe me? Read their replies on Starfield criticism. Narcissism, narcissism with zero reasons to exist.
The Creation Engine is an updated version of the Gamebryo engine which had its initial release in 1997. _That's_ how long this engine has been around for, almost 30 years. I'll give you my theory on what the problem is. Bethesda don't want to make TES6, but feel pressured to do so by fans, which is leading to this drawn out development because their hearts simply aren't in it, and in the silence the pressure has grown. If they'd made TES6 after FO4 and outsourced FO76 like they did TESO, we'd have had Starfield, TES6 and FO5 out by now. If they don't want to make it, just tell us and we can all move on. The silence helps no one.
My theory is Todd wants his audience to just buy whatever so they can keep making money. Thing is they went bankrupt and microsoft bought them. so i think youre right. they should have just said "nah no more TES games" and leave it at that. whatever backlash they get, they'll have to take it and just focus on what they want. Like a sci-fi genre based game. Of course, I cant assume todd howards finances. no one wants to be homeless and lets be honest no ones gonna wanna hire him cause he lies too much. so maybe thats why it happened the way that it did. honestdly its pitiful. i hope he just cleans up, if not, leave and go homeless lol you practically scammed your audience.
We know that devs at Obsidian have pitched to BGS to make more Fallout and TES spin-offs and they denied it. I can't imagine they would hold so tightly to something if they didn't want to make a game in that universe. Also BGS is always tight lipped. We barely had any information on Starfield for years. Todd has said he prefers radio silence, announcing a game and dropping it within a few months. Seems to me that they have jank set up when it comes to actually creativity and building the game. The devs that have left have complained about how reporting goes up and someething that they wanna put in the game right now and test takes like 3 weeks to get greenlit, and that lead designers that have left like William Chen complained he spent more time NOT making starfield and asking for approvals for quest lines than actually working on the game and coming up with quest lines. They just don't know how to run themselves. It's not a lack of desire to make TES it's just bad at managing a 400+ gaming studio.
One reason I hate early release announcements is you give a lot of massive fans false hope. I remember I’d just gotten out of high school when the 2018 trailer got announced, one of my best friends at the time was unbelievably excited, and now he’s dead from cancer as of a few months ago. Bethesda got his hopes up for nothing. Don’t announce something when it’s totally undeveloped and 10 yrs out from a release …
I suspect that they only announced it in order to make the buzz. They needed some free attention since they had another turd to release soon (76). People should always wonder: "what kind of monetary benefit can they get from doing this or saying that?". Never take anything at aface value, because there are always ulterior motives, no matter what they do. This applies to EA and Activision, too.
I honestly couldn't care less if ES6 feels outdated as long as it manages to be fun. A better inventory system perhaps inspired by SkyUI, an even slightly more varied overworld that manages to not feel too samey as you explore through it, better city design, and a main questline and major faction questlines that manage to tell good stories and I'd be pretty much satisfied even if the graphics and gameplay don't feel like a huge overhaul from Skyrim. I'm not asking Bethesda to reinvent the wheel and blow all our minds with the greatest game ever made, I really don't think the idea of a more refined Skyrim that learns from their past mistakes to make something even slightly better is all that much to ask of them. Just make the game good, that's all I want. I couldn't care less about groundbreaking graphics or major overhauls to the gameplay or etc. So what if the game feels a bit outdated? I still play lots of outdated games. I still have fun playing them. I still play Skyrim. I still play Oblivion. I'd rather get a game that feels a bit outdated but is still good and fun than a game that feels modern but sacrifices quality to achieve that.
This is a healthy attitude to have. A measured response instead of the usual death threats that are sent to devs when things don’t meet or exceed expectations.
@@Immopimmo who said anything about story and writing im talking tech and assets here i prefer new vegas by a long shot to but why cant people acknowledge the reality
Makes a lot more sense when you realize that Bethesda is waiting for the next gen Xbox to release sometime around 2027. Once the hype train begins for the next Xbox, you'll see a lot more progress on the next Elder Scrolls and Fallout. Whether or not they're worth waiting on a new console for is another issue. I don't have any faith that the next gen Xbox will be all that much better than what we have now, just more expensive.
After everything they've released _since_ Skyrim, I honestly can't imagine ES6 being worth getting for me. I'd love to be proven wrong but their game design and writing has progressively been getting farther away from what I find enjoyable. And honestly, everything else aside, Starfield alone has me beyond skeptical in their future work.
You could honestly say that even elder scrolls as a franchise is different now. over time bethesda has legit written elder scrolls into a different franchise. they fucked up the lore so much, same with fallout.
@LittleMissLuna232 The only thing that sells ES and Fallout are the titles and themes. Everything I see in Todd Howard games, other studios have been doing better since before Fallout 4.
I'm just interested in the release, just to see it being played on YT, I'm not paying $170.00 AUD for it . And yes Starfield was that price in Aussie Dollaridoos 💀😒 NOPE!
I just hope OpenMW's engine progresses enough to provide a modding base for the community once Skyrim and oblivion are inevitably ported to it. I'm over Bethesda, the modders have surpassed the developers.
What would make you want to play ES6? Everyone says things like this and I’m always curious as to what they expect one way or another. Like it’s vague. “If it’s like starfield” but then nobody explains what that means. Not saying you are saying that but I’m curious on what WOULD make people play it or want it. I play modded Skyrim and I know I want like 90% of the QoL addons and I feel like we won’t get those so it’ll have to be modded in. What I’m hopeful for is larger areas, so taking starfields large world/universe and condense it into one area but make places much bigger. Can it happen? Idk. But for me that’s what would get me to play and keep going back so long as those larger areas have content.
There are still people like that it seems, that somehow believe that all these failures were 'accidents' and that the next one will be better somehow...
For many of us the writing on the wall was Oblivion, which will seem like heresy to many younger Elder Scrolls fans. But for those of us who grew up playing the old dungeon crawlers and CRPGs and can readily recall the transition to full 3D, Morrowind was genuinely the last time Bethesda seemed capable of bottling lightning, and they've been consistently diluting the potency of their formula ever since. I say Oblivion is the marker of a downward trajectory primarily because it was the point at which they became a multi-platform studio and began compromising on key areas. And here we are. Starfield is irredeemably poorly conceived, only a studio that has lost its way could deliver something so anachronistic and leaden with such decadent fanfare. Microsoft have bought a hit and miss publisher attached to a lemon development house.
You are exactly right. I never cared for TES, but while in high school, i ventured into Fallout (the first), Planescape, Baldur's Gate, Arcanum, and such games... There is NO WAY i would EVER find anything remotely satisfying in things like Skyrim. Needs several hundred mods to reword every aspect of the game before it is playable. Only the core map design and artistic direction are worth anything in Skyrim.
@@dabrams84 Arcanum, Baldur's Gate (I and II), Planescape Torment, Fallout (I and II), Diablo (the first one), Vampire the masquerade: Bloodlines, ... Diablo is a hack 'n slash though, the first one ever made, but with great ambiance and music. Although, you can't run in this :). Planescape is the best RPG in History, with Avellone as project director, but you will probably hate this one, too. Granted, if you found Skyrim half decent, you will hate all those i mentioned (i consider OG Skyrim to be the bottom of the barrel, this is a piss poor RPG in all regards). They are ISO RPGs, sometimes, they were ugly even when they released. You need to handle your limited inventory and carry weight, need to prepare your expeditions carefully, you will see the Game Over screen, you have to micro manage stuff (all stuff, but this is what i love), you won't find the key to a door next to it just because devs don't want to frustrate little kids, there are very obviously no disgusting arrow pointing to the right direction, and more than anything, some of those games require heavy reading (especially Planescape, where you can spend hours on a single map, reading dialogues, fascinating ones, though). Although, i never exhausted all ends or all companions in Planescape. Right now, what i anticipate most when it comes to RPGs, is my try to mod heavily a BGT (Baldur's Gate Trilogy, meaning BG I and II in BGII engine) game. Granted, i played it more than 10 or 20 000 hours already, but it's been a while i have been meaning to mod it properly. This simply is no easy task. All the more so considering that new mods that release these days (one i want is still is beta) set the bar very high and my list of mods ends up being too large...
I hope everyone enjoys Elder Scrolls IV. I'll be enjoying Skywind, Skyblivion, & Beyond Skyrim. To me, they are the future of Elder Scrolls. Bethesda will make something impressive, but they'll be making an Elder Starfield game instead.
At this point I want them to release TES 6 ASAP just to let the modders to do their job at making it a good game. The only fear I have is that the main quest and the guilds will be even worse.
Bethesda does not have the talent, passion, resources, or veterancy to make a good game anymore. I'm more looking foreword to fan made creations that will add new lands to Skyrim of old.
@@thefreshvince879 Nah. There's no reason it should have taken even *that* long. Oblivion came out in 2006 - there's no logical reason why we shouldn't have been able to have 3 numerical releases in 19 years and expect the 4th to come out in another year or two in that time, especially for a super popular franchise like TES. That there's only been 1 numerical release in 19 years since Oblivion is an abject failure for Bethesda, and their entire management staff should be sacked.
Back in my day developers released sequels in a year, and you could always count on a sequel being way better than the game prior. The old GTA games are the first that come to mind. It was literally every 10-18 months we got a brand new GTA game that massively improved features and added in tons of new things to do. Each game was a mind blowing experience if you'd played the last. Now we have to wait 5+ years between sequels and most of the time the developers make a shitty game or ruin what players loved about the previous.
Since Starfield and how Bethesda is still dealing with feedback about it all, I have lost all faith in TES6. Starfield perfectly shows the shortcomings of their writing, game design and the prehistoric engine. When speaking about the latter, the problem is not about the graphics at all, it's about the limitations, like each interior having a loading screen. If you compare starfield to cyberpunk, it's pathetic. They can't do so much stuff because their engine sucks. That's one of the main reasons. The other is the ABSOLUTE lack of accountability, like it's the gamers fault we don't like the game, the writing is good! It just isn't for you... With people like Emil Pagliarulo so high up the ladder, we will never get a good main story or interesting side quests. He refuses to take any feedback, he's an awful example to the employees.
Wanna hear something ? Kurt Kuhlmann, 20+ years veteran, Kirkebride's protège and their last lorehead left Bethesda same day as Starfield released. Now there is literally nobody inside BGS except for Emil "Can-i-Change-The-Lore-Todd" Pagliarulo left and he's the reason why Kurt and so many other veterans left. Emil was and still is an insufferable pr*ck.
People with no critical thinking that were bred and taught from birth not to ever criticise anything because criticising stuff is evil. And then, young kids who found in 76 and the Veilguard the deepest roleplaying experiences they could ever expect from such groundbreaking masterpieces (according to them). And then, those influenced or paid by private interests to 'overhype stuff in order to compensate for those who dare dislike it and hence, must be hairy trolls that Justice must reclaim'. Sure everyone here met those dangeroulsy contagious creatures here and there in the woods.
I'm not even waiting anymore. Elder Scrolls basically denounced its weirdness, trying to become just another generic fantasy setting so. If the next instalment is going to be set in Hammerfell the only thing we can expect is boring "Fantasy Middle East" and nothing more. Not to mention that current Bethesda games are simply bad.
My first game was oblivion, it was my first time playing anything like ES so I loved it. Then I tried Morrowind and was totally blown away. I had a "What the hell happened" moment when I realized how much was cut.
guys I slipped on snow, fell down and died for a moment. I was connected to myself in 2078 when I died of brain hemorrhage from high cholestrol. I saw my grand kids playing skyrim anniversary 400 and still waiting for ES6. So lets not have our high hopes. Also I met my descendent from 2203 possibly my reincarn that died there, he was waiting for ES6 to come out too so... there you have it folks. Good news though they have half life 3 by then. But still no ES6 so just move on.
The thing about xbox pushing to streamline ES6... Bethesda has been on A consistent path of streamlining their games since morrowind. If it's streamlined more than skyrim was, I shudder to think what we will get.
Every race has the exact same stats, no "male/female" variation, no classes, no skills, linear story with "exploration" taken from starfield. No supplementary mechanics (smithing, spellmaking, enchanting).
@@Izzmonster No, all these will be there, but it will be over simplified. 'All-in-on-click-immediate-satisfaction-meaning-no-sactifcation-at-all" kind of idiotic design. Beth (and most western devs, mostl american ones) don't seem to understand that 'satisfaction' is somethuing that comes mostly when 'frustration' is released. To create satisfaction, you first must pile on frustration. That simply is how it is. This 'immediate satisfaction' thing is a big part of what made games so dull in the first place.
Games that spend this much time in development usually don’t turn out that well, and I think it’s because over time people start losing sight of their original intentions on a project. People change, and it’s reasonable to assume that their work will. So Elder Scrolls 6 might really suck.
@@Vert_GreenHeart They won't shutdown Skyblivion. Bethesda has always openly supported modders, and the Skyblivion team is literally doing their job for them. Bethesda will still make a little money for zero work; people who don't own Oblivion will have to purchase it in order for Skyblivion to launch.
@@muscleman125 What they did to Fallout London is nothing short of ignorance, they don't actively combat big modding project but they don't even show a shred of respect to them either, in fact they'll come to disdain them if people start to say a mod like F:London is a better story than vanilla FO4.
There's no talent left at BGS. ES6 won't suck because the Creation Engine is bad, it will suck because there is nobody left there who can make the game into something great. Starfield sucked because that was the best they could do. There was nobody who could translate Todd's core idea into a memorable game. Blame it on the Emil-fication of Bethesda, blame it on the company getting too big and bureaucratic, blame it on the sycophants, fanfic writers, and DEI hires they have filled the company with, and whatever else. It's all a part of why the company sucks now. All the people who made your favorite BGS game awesome are gone and you'll never get a good game from the studio again. Honestly the best thing that could happen to BGS is for Microsoft to shut them down and build entirely new studios around each of their core IPs filled with the most talented creatives they can find. Give Todd a lifetime achievement award and let him retire. Pat Emil on the head, tell him he did a good job, give him a cookie, and show him the door.
bethesda after realizing modders allow players to make they're own elder scrolls 6 for free that would be infinitely better than anything bethesda would make in the decade they've had to make TES6
I'd say it's more likely, given Bethesda's reputation, that Micro$oft is forcing them to fix bugs. Given how bad Skyrim was it could take them decades to get a halfway bug free game to release.
I can answer the question, whether Elder Scroll 6 will live up to the expectations, really fast. NO, it will not. There I spared you another disappointment by Bethesda.
I am also not looking forward to ES6 anymore. Bethesda has fallen off their pedestal so quickly that I fear it cannot be redeemed. We've seen the way they've released their last few games. The way they make them is different now. Fallout 4 was the last truly decent Bethesda title, and even that had it's issues with the fanbase. Bethesda has fallen flat on it's face every year since Fallout 4 was done being developed. I remember seeing GManlives put up a crazy sad rant trying to defend Starfield because he couldn't cope with the fact that his favorite developers suck now. That was when I realized Bethesda was done and their fanboys had devolved into meat riders who would've still enjoyed Starfield if it crashed every 5 minutes and the only gameplay feature was a remake of Pong.
I'm worried. Fallout 4 showed the lack of imagination in story, characters and quests and a continuation with the auto generated "eternal" quests concept. It was a grind. I felt like i needed to push through the game. Starfield seems even more thin. Red flags are allover the place. Unless they switch their whole new concept. I don't see that happening. Fetch quests or kill this animal and get 100 gold incoming. I'm worried. And Bethesda basically saying they don't believe it will be good enough is saying something about their confidence and skillset. And it ain't good.
@@Izzmonster Agreed. Skyrim was so damn dull... But the arts were good. Artistic direction, music and the gameworld map. But that was pretty much all of it. Most of the rest was a disaster, and the so-called quests were mostly simply scripted events where you had no choice whatsoever, not even to say simply "NO".
Microsoft doesn't need to push Bethesda towards streamlining their games and opting for mass market appeal over depth. It's what Bethesda has already been doing for over 2 decades now. Oblivion casualized certain aspects of Morrowind, just like how Skyrim casualized certain aspects of Oblivion. Elder Scrolls 6 will do the same, and just like its predecessors, it will fail to add enough of its own to make up for what has been lost.
I grew up with the franchise, but I've accepted the fact that BGS is gone and continues in name only. ES6 will almost certainly be a massive disappointment.
The way I see it, we are either getting an amazing game that looks like Rockstar, CD Projekt Red, and FromSoftware partnered with Bethesda to create the Elder Scrolls game of our dreams, which is why it took so long, or it will be some Cronenberg hellspawn of Fallout 76, Starfield, and Cyberpunk 2077 at launch, mashed together into a buggy, procedurally generated nightmare that will make commentary TH-camrs more money than Bethesda spent making Elder Scrolls 6. And who knows, maybe Bethesda could pull a Cyberpunk and fix Elder Scrolls 6, but by the time that happens, we will be on GTA 10.
"we are either getting an amazing game that looks like Rockstar, CD Projekt Red, and FromSoftware partnered with Bethesda to create the Elder Scrolls game of our dreams, which is why it took so long" LOOOOOL !! This one was funny :)
After the absolute letdown of nearly every AAA game over the past few years, and despite being autistically obsessed with the elder scrolls, im not exited for ES6 in the slightest.
My honest feeling and opinion: Bethesda just doesn't care anymore. The Elder Scrolls is their main franchise and, although Fallout also had a huge success as a franchise, I think it's reasonable to agree that TES is what carried the studio to success. And at this point, I think they're just trying to kill it off. They fired all of the original writing team of the Elder Scrolls games, leaving veteran fans and old developers (like Kirkbride) to believe that it will be a disaster. I genuinely think they're trying to kill the franchise, use ESO as a money-farm and I have a really strong feeling that TES VI will be the LAST singleplayer game of the franchise and then, there will be only ESO.
The engine is a huge problem! But they’re kind of stuck in between a rock and a hard place. The announcement and then huge delay seems poorly timed too 😢 great video man!
@@FabiTheSnake The Creation Engine specifically, apparently..... has many things holding it back from actually being innovated though. Apparently alot of "mistakes" were made in the early conceptions of Creation Engine. It was Gamebryo before that, and something else before even Gamebryo and now Creation Engine 2 is built up on top of all of those iterations. Alot of people will tell you that the engine is held together by duct tape. It's got walls built in now, made of that duct tape, that prevents the engine from being able to be upgraded in certain ways to do certain things. For instance, alot of modern open world games have seamless travel, you go from the street into a building and out the buildings back door back into the street all without a loading screen, however Creation Engine and how it handles physics specifically, makes it so that it would be horrible for performance to be able to set that up throughout their games. Only by going back and chunking out that whole part of the engine and replacing it, would they be able to rectify that issue, but the physics engine is attached via duct tape lines to a bunch of other core elements within the engine which means they are all effected by its removal and replacement. It would be easier for them to build a new engine from scratch without the mistakes or switch to a better engine, like Unreal Engine 5 and work with Epic like CDPR are, to adapt that engine to do certain things that would work to make it feel like a BGS title, than it would be to actually continue to press the Creation Engine forward enough to feel like it can compete with modern engines like Unreal 5 or even the last edition of Red Engine before CDPR abandoned that. BGS isn't ready to tap out though, they've specifically made this engine to make their games and they don't want to waste the time it would take to train and switch or pay the royalties to Epic for their engine use, and they have an entire engineer department that would likely lose their jobs if they didn't have an in house engine anymore. BGS needs something more than the backlash to Starfield to convince them that Creation Engine is toast. They also don't want to give up on it because they just implemented paid mods. a paid mods store does not work when the game runs on Unreal 5 because its not BGS's decision to release the modding tools and their community knows the creation engine, not Unreal, so they would be fucking themselves by switching because they would lose all that income and all that free game support that they've relied on for years to keep their games alive. Modding wouldn't die, but it would become far less popular and simple. All this to say, the creation engine has some good things about it, but alot of skeletons in its closet that will prevent it from likely ever, actually standing next to modern day tech giant engines. a BGS title will just never feel as good as a game made on one of those engines.
@GoatedSynro i have no hope for this, the fact that they do a remaster of oblivion, knowing that some of the great modders actual do skyblivion is a sign that there is no hope for this company. The big companies will find crisis because they don't listen anymore to us, the audience and gamers. Maybe that's more disappointing for big fans like us that remember on the old days with Mass Effect, the elder scrolls and more. I dont wanna think about the evil move breaking fallout london with a patch
he was a good guy in the past but the negative things weight more and more. I was not a fan of him either i dont dislike him but yo, all the awesome titles Bethesda has done .. its just sad
Isnt the "Creation Engine" actually just an updated Gamebryo Engine, which is even older lol. They haven't done a significant engine upgrade in like 30 years.
No the hell they don't lol Nintendo makes incredible games, but if they want to remain exclusive, we'll continue pirating and reverse engineering their consoles
@@ericestrada3530 all the time and electricity you've spent pirating nintendo games and you could've bought a switch and all the games in the world. Instead you spent your time seeding roms on the pirate bay, time you could've spent working to make the peanuts required to buy nintendo games. Seriously bro, bragging about not be willing to spend $300 is cringe and makes you look like a cheapskate.
Honestly, it was to be expected. Bethesda enters full scale production on a project only when the project from before is in the last stages of development. For example, Starfield entered full scale production a few months before Fallout 76 shipped. So I believe it's normal for them to start full scale production on TESVI in 2023, because that's when Starfield was in it's last stages of development. And because TESVI has been in full scale production for like a year and half now, I don't think we'll see gameplay earlier than 2026. So the problem was that they announced it way to early, in 2018, the pre-production had just started.
Regardless of what they do the game is going to disappoint many simply for the time its taken to release. I have no faith in them anymore. Fallout 4 felt somewhat outdated on release and that was a decade ago this year. Starfield was hot garbage and they don't seem to listen to any criticism anywhere, they're delusional
The problem is that the Bethesda that made Fallout 3/ 4, Elder Scrolls III/ IV/ V and more no longer exists. Nearly every single one of those devs and designers that made those game have moved to other companies. And why? Because as Bethesda grew it stopped being a company that made great games, and became instead a corporate profit-first enterprise. After 2016 Bethesda transitions from a company focused on making great games, to a company creating opportunities for players to spend money. In reality I can't see any way for Bethesda to move forward and again make great games while Todd Howard is still at the helm.
A lesson to all studios in the future to NOT announce a game until it's at least past pre-production (keep in mind pre-production is incredibly important and takes time)
No more dark or wood elves they are called East elves and southern Elves and orcs have been removed due to "overt" racism to real life stereotypes. -Bethesda, Probably.
the core issue this video seeks to address is explained by the following sequence. - Zenimax announces TES VI to generate hype ahead of a major acquisition and allows them to hire directly for TES VI (harder to hire for unannounced games). - Zenimax bought out by Xbox, have to throw everything into getting Starfield out the door (evidence in it's delayed release date) - Starfield releases in late 2023 - team can now go into actual production on TES6. - Expect at earliest a TES VI 2027 release based on the schedule slip from the xbox lawsuit schedule + relative slip of known title release dates. Ultimately I don't really see anything to be embarassed about (other than Starfield). This video assumes a lot of reasoning on the part of the developer (e.g. the timing of the TES6 trailer wasn't hype ust for the fans, it was to sell the franchise as valuable to Xbox) that is explained by more industry/business driven rationales.
Skyrim was a dull mess with no creativity whatsoever, poor writing, embarrassing game design, marked by a lack of content somewhat compensated by disgusting 'random fetch quests'. Everything after Skyrim has been steadily worse. The fact this company still exists at this point is merely because they bank of their former glory, and that of others (Black Isle's in this case). They have value only through the IPs they happen to own. But these very IPs are losing value over time due to all the turds they have been releasing since almost 20 years. To me, Bethesda has been an embarrassment since Fallout 3, what with this laughably shallow, ridiculous and childish main quest that wasn't even a quest in the first place...
there’s no way they don’t F this up, its going to be a massive letdown and we all know it. In a way I hope it doesn’t get released because this company lacks self awareness and won’t change
BGS is always tight lipped. We barely had any information on Starfield for years. Todd has said he prefers radio silence, announcing a game and dropping it within a few months. Seems to me that they have jank set up when it comes to actually creativity and building the game. The devs that have left have complained about how reporting goes up and someething that they wanna put in the game right now and test takes like 3 weeks to get greenlit, and that lead designers that have left like William Chen complained he spent more time NOT making starfield and asking for approvals for quest lines than actually working on the game and coming up with quest lines. They just don't know how to run themselves. It's not a lack of desire to make TES it's just bad at managing a 400+ gaming studio.
1. "Development Hell" isn't when a game takes a long time to release from when it's announced. The term is used for projects that have challenges stopping it from being made, such as lack of direction and artistic differences. Most of the time, we'll see the projects swapping out important people like the creative directors. I have seen no evidence of there being any internal problems in regards to ES6 development. The only reason the game got announced so early is because they knew people were going to be critical of Fallout 76. The reason it's taking so long is because the majority were working on Starfield. They've only been in full development for about a year, why would they be showing off anything for a game that's probably 2 years away or more? Aside from potential leaks, we probably won't see much until the game is 6-12 months before launch. 2. The engine isn't the problem and visuals aren't the most important thing in Bethesda games. I don't need the next Elder Scrolls to look as good as Cyberpunk. I want it to look fine and function as a Bethesda game does. e.g. being able to drop something at the beginning of the game, come back 200 hrs later and it still being there. This small amount of freedom compounds and allows for freedom most other games don't have. Their current engine was made for the games they make. Moving to Unreal or Unity might make the game look better, but they'd have to strip away more features and ultimately reduce player freedom. I wouldn't be willing to make that trade, especially since modding is so accessible for their engine. You can make the game look as beautiful as your system can handle with mods. 3. I mostly agree with your worry with Microsoft involved, I think they'll push them further into "safe" content, which will hinder the impact imo. I do believe it will end up coming to Playstation. Though, I think they'll need to convince Sony to allow mods that add new meshes and such. Them not allowing it is why Skyrim's Bards College Expansion didn't launch on PS, for example.
"I have seen no evidence of there being any internal problems in regards to ES6 development." - Well, I have seen no evidence of there being any development of ES6 going on at all.
Im 34 years old and this game release is the first time I hear a seller say "dont expect too much from our product or you will be disappointed." A worlds first for me. They dont even pretend anymore lmao
Even when it is released it won't look/play as good as a modded Skyrim. Nolvus Awakening and Lorerim showcase the standards that Bethesda should adhere to. For me, a lot has changed since 2011 and Todd can't be trusted with ES6 if the shambles that is Starfield, and his inability to accept how underwhelming it is, is anything to go by.
Starfield was a huge leap forward for Bethesda. But people hated it. It was a leap of passion, but sadly people lost it over the things they did wrong instead of recognizing the things they did right. Regardless that had an effect. They are learning what every big company learns, the paradox of choice means no matter what you make, no one will be happy. Big companies play it safe. It's why film companies don't make originals. Scaring companies with hate means you get lukewarm instead of blown away. Right or wrong the people killed passion, so aim low.
In a time long ago, Todd Howard was asked when we will get TES6. He actually replied with 2025. At the time everyone thought he just picked a random year to temper expectations. It is now 2025. We are getting a reveal trailer this year. Hopefully it will get the fallout 4 treatment and Todd will play it on stage and say it’s releasing holiday season this year. That’s my prediction. I remember reading about small updates and interviews with Todd and Bethesda in game informer before Skyrim came out. It seemed like every issue that came out in 2011 had a new interview or story with minor updates about Skyrim. I think Bethesda became exhausted from answering all these questions about their next game. That’s why fallout released the way it did. I predict that’s how they are going to release TES6 the same way. A small announcement saying check out our new game showcase. The game showcase will be a few upcoming projects and then end with TES6 releasing later this year.
Wow that’s very optimistic. I personally now can’t see them realistically releasing it this year especially with GTA 6 coming out. But who knows maybe you’re on to something there
2026 or 2027, that's what I would say. too big project to release this year And it is possible it takes even long In any case, it is released as a broken mess
I highly doubt it’s coming out this year judging off of development time for pass games. The best bet would be realistically we’re getting it in like 2026 at the earliest.
I wish... but incredibly unlikely. Even if 2025 aligned with the time line he had mapped out at the time. Covid hit and fucked all the time lines everyone had. Leaked documents showing games were supposed to release 1-2 years before they actually did would suggest even if 2025 was the original goal post, 2026-2027 would be the goal post internally now.
All they have to do is make it as moddable as Skyrim (if not more) and release the creation kit alongside it AT THE EXACT SAME TIME, with a tutorial or guide for the kit. If they want to be even more successful, then release a video that showcases the creation kit, and an in depth guide for it let's say 1-2 months IN ADVANCE of the game, so that modding can begin from day 1. That's it. Neither F4 nor Starfield has been as successful modding wise as Skyrim (or Oblivion or Morrowind) has been, which has been their biggest faults in my opinion.
OMG... So, you basically endorse how Todd has relied on modders to make his games? Wow... the future of this world is seriously grim. All they have to do is DESERVING my money. Which is not something they have managed since 2006. This is how companies are meant to strive. Not by grappling at coveted IPs and doing a consistently crap job, and having modders work for them for free instead. A companies that does that simply needs to disappear once and for all.
They cant make ES6 a success. Everyone at this point is too used to Skyrim with mods and were all kind of expecting basically a new Skyrim with a lot of those mods as base features. They will NEVER be able to make even half as good a game as Skyrim with a few mods. Starfield was a disappointment and theyve run out of Heart and soul for their games. ES6 will be a success once it gets a modkit and 1-2 years pass by so modders can once again fix their sht. Believe me, we wont even get the option to choose where our weapons are stored on your characters, like a one handed sword on the back or a dagger on the ankle. They wont give us NPCs with an actual own everyday life. Hell, skyrim doesnt even have modding. What makes skyrim great is its base content combined with tons of mods that improve every aspect of the game. They couldnt make a game half as good nowadays even if they wanted.
I saw a post on reddit today saying that as of the 8th of Jan 2025, the TES6 teaser trailer is now older than Skyrim was when the teaser trailer was released. I agree with all your points apart from the point about the Creation Engine. I don't think that Bethesda should change game engines as it would be a major disruption with no guaranteed pay off. Nice video, I enjoyed watching!
news flash dude; bethesda "RPG's" have always been dumbed down versions of Dungeons and Dragons; this sentiment has been spouted since Skyrim came out and it's getting beyond tired.
@@muscleman125 I don't know about that, I guess daggerfall was the closest to D&D mechanics.. but really they left the dice rolls system with Oblivion... The games has been dumbed down quite a bit over the franchise life though. Choice has no real consequences in the game anymore.. you can join any faction, and become arch mage without being able to cast any advance spells.. At least Morrowind had requirements to progress skills... and In Daggerfall you could "lock" your game if you said "no" to do certain quests..
They only lucked out on the 4th and 5th games. The first 3 were actually groundbreaking in terms of vast open world RPGs went. The only reason the buggy messes they released after had success is because we didn't have Unity or Unreal engines. Theoretically a sweaty guy with too many cats and a few bitcoins saved from back in the day can outdo them now.
Tbh with Bethesda's track record lately I actively do not want elder scrolls VI to come out under their development. If they outsourced development to another studio and published it I'd give it a chance.
An issue I'm sure Bethesda is considering if not worried about, is them being capable of beating and being compared to a fully modded Skyrim with shaders and ENB.
Given that Morrowind had 40 people and like 4 years of development and Starfield 8 years and a team of 500 and made a pretty empty game, I doubt it’s a lack of resources. Nevermind that while Oblivion and Skyrim had upgraded graphics, more VA and QL upgrades, the depth of the games and story, in varying degrees, has decreased. Whenever they do put effort into 6, I don’t have high hopes for whatever slop they create.
@@Izzmonster I hope they simply bankrupt and that TES franchise goes to a studio on another continent. Problem is... since it will be all about money rather talent all over again, we should simply assume that both TES and Fallout are dead.
@@nox8730 100%, if some small studio filled with devs who actually have passion and a vision got ahold of it, it could be amazing. Odds are that isn't going to happen
One of the endings for shattered space was you die and reload your save. I'm not expecting much different in the future, that is such a low bar I don't even know what to say
Why are people so certain that the game will be in Hammerfell or High Rock? It's clear they did absolutely no writing on the game before Starfield came out, and the teaser looks like a stock landscape they threw out there precisely because it's so nondescript and can fit in nearly any region. The only explanation on Hammerfell/High Rock that is realistic is that Bethesda will take the easy way out and pick a human province so they don't have to come up with a strange, alien setting like they did with Morrowind, opting instead for fantasy Arabia or fantasy France.
Oh gosh... Being french, i pray that they will spare us the 'fantasy France' disaster. Any time an american starts tackling anything french, i end up having extremely violent thoughts. Like when this 'thing' released the infamy called "Dunkerque" in cinemas............. I probably won't ever be able to forgive and forget that, not in decades. Considering my age, i will probably be dead before it happens. It is this, or some radom crap made by a guy who never went out of his garden and look at the world through Fox News. Which may be even worse than a film only meant to rewrite History at the anglosphere's benefit and crap of french soldiers just because they happen to be french. Urgh... bad for my blood pressure again.
In many aspects, Bethesda games have felt out-dated on release since Oblivion. Bethesda's combat mechanics, player skill-expression, RPG depth, voice acting, physics, graphics, optimization, and writing have all been lapped several times by other studios both big and small. There are still things to love about Bethesda games both new and old, but overall they're getting left in the dust and the leadership at Bethesda appears to not acknowledge this.
Elder Scrolls VI appears on the screen
Suddenly Letter rearrange
I moves in front of V, forming IV
IV = 4 = Oblivion
Oblivion remake confirmed
Except it's not oblivion remake, it's Oblivion's horse armor for Skyrim DLC.
Alternatively it's Fallout 4 Super Special(It won't break mods this time we promise) Edition
Actually there is a lot of talk about an Oblivion remaster/remake probably going to be announced this month and a likely release later this year.
The letters suddenly rearrange into a IV
Grand theft auto 4 the ballad of gay todd
theyve already added the oblivion horse armor as a skyrim dlc :))
Then the V separates into II... Morrowind.
The the III falls over one by one... Dominoes.
Skyblivion is coming out this year probably, so even that is not needed.
They should never have let Todd waste their time with starfield.
It's very obvious, in retrospect. They blatantly prioritized their own desires over what the people wanted, likely under the argument that they can make great things if they make something they're passionate about, and they're sick of just Fallout and TES. However, there's immediate problems here:
1) Indirect admittance they're sick of their own worlds they've created. Huge red flag. This cuts both ways, and it implies there's a lack of passion for those IPs, so how can we expect quality from the next game in those franchises...?
2) Todd allegedly is good at "trimming the fat" and focusing on the core issues. This has been praised with mixed attitudes, cause for example it can mean he can cut extra details that players *would* appreciate, they're just harder to find. However, whatever you think of this is beside the point, because the point here is: where was that attitude with Starfield...?
Basically, Starfield got special treatment. It violated all kinds of rules of both good business and both good game development, and instead they were just doing it because it's Todd Howard's baby and his passion project. No compromises were made with the scope of the universe or the planets, no reflection about how "realistic space" will inevitably result in boring empty spaces or how chasing such a concept seems odd when realism would mean every single gunshot is fatal just by virtue of piercing the spacesuit, and no critical questions about how feasible the project is.
They disregarded what people wanted.
They disregarded some of the more negative rules about game development and keeping expectations grounded.
They disregarded blatant issues with the core theme and design of their new universe they've crafted.
They blatantly put the cart before the horse and paid for it big time.
I disagree. It helped to wake people up about how crap Bethesda is and how Todd's leadership is one that is defined by cutting mechanics and writing rather than adding mechanics and improving writing.
never let Todd waste*
@@Longknife To be fair, Todd and Pagliarulo didn't make the elder scrolls worlds.
@@Longknife I disagree on the "boring space" point. I was actually crazily disappointed by Starfield, I tried liking this game so much. But in the end, I couldnt get myself to like it. And the two most problematic things were the 1) boring characters and uninspired quests and 2) the horrible game design. the "2)" is directly linked to your point. I think the procedual generation was horrible, because random loot and random fortresses are way more uncool than talking with your friends to learn about a specific quest or item to search for. Think about the daedric quests for example, the live-blood of Skyrim. Or the way they handled the powers in Starfield. They did that better in Skyrim back then. Where you found your dragon shouts after completing a tomb. It was "play quest a), get shout XY as a bonus". And now it's just a walking simulator to get something we used to get as a bonus. The very concept of Starfield's approach on how to give you quests, cool locations, items and powers was fundamentally flawed. I actually liked walking around in the semi-realistic space. But it was so horribly unrewarding to play that I completed the game's main quest, uninstalled the game and now hide it in my steam library.
Even once Elder Scrolls 6 finally releases, I don't think it will live up to expectations in any capacity. Let's be real: Bethesda has proven that they've stagnated entirely. It will effectively be a somewhat-better Skyrim. But by the time it releases, "Somewhat better-Skyrim" will feel wholly and entirely out of date. It won't feel like a true 20-years-later-sequel. It's going to be bad.
It definitely wont be better than Skyrim
predictions:
Microsoft will tell Bethesda to just release it onto gamepass to up gamepass sales.
@@AlphaKnight-hg2jq considering we have things like elden ring and baldurs gate 3, im sure it will just be better skyrim
ES6 would fulfil my expectations by being skyrim but worse.
@@ThisHandleIsDefinatelyTaken you really can't dumb the series down even more than skyrim. at that point it just becomes ESO
It took them five years from the announcement to actually start working on the game....
So wild and completely unacceptable
I bet they've still done almost no work on it
@@johnprager662 I bet they'll do the least amount of work possible.
The really scummy reason we got the teaser is that they wanted to boost their stock for the Microsoft buyout
in 4 days, as much time will have passed between skyrim's release and TES6 trailer and between the TES6 trailer and now
You know what the craziest part of that statement is? It actually doesn’t seem like that wild of a stat anymore.
For all of 1 second my brain wants to go “holy moly, that’s crazy!”, but then after that 1 second is over it’s like “yeah that trailer was so long ago, it totally makes sense.”
So disappointing
What the hell, man. That's wild.
Damn
we're about to get 2 entire GTA releases between skyrim and TES6
I’m honestly more hyped for Project Tamriel/ Tamriel Rebuilt for Morrowind, a 23 years old game than whatever slop Bethesda is cooking next.
TR project is the true Morrowind sequel that we didn't deserve.
@@varvarith3090 Morrowind fans sort of do deserve it though.
They are the customers/audience that saved Bethesda financially. And there has been at most 2 spiritual successor indies made.
Oblivion is like it is from a different series so there isn't even a literal sequel
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 what are these two spiritual successor indies you speak of?
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Please elaborate on the 2 spiritual successors.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 spirituals successors?
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Bethesda Game Studios didn't make Indiana Jones, that was a different studio. They should have been focused on Elder Scrolls 6 since Starfield launched. So that's one year of full development time, not including the concept stages.
I'm not sure how people still think publishers are the ones making video games.
Bethesda Game Studios (Skyrim, Fallout 4) and Bethesda Softworks (the publisher) are two different entities.
Yep I am aware and should have touched on it more. They only published it but still it’s something that was on their “to do list” that should clear space for ES6
@GoatedSynro don't confuse Bethesda Softworks and Bethesda Game Studios. Softworks publishes games, BGS develops games.
Both entities are owned by ZeniMax, which is in turn owned by Microsoft. And that is the main issue. It's no longer a handful of talented devs creating passion projects. Instead, it is a giant corporate machine trying to create art by committee and squeeze as much profit as possible.
@GoatedSynro
The issue is Todd Howard, he wants to be the grand director for Fallout and Elder Scrolls.
This is why we are yet to get a New Vegas 2 or another Fallout from Obsidian.
@@MattChew2 obsidian is ass now all the talent left the studio
@@MattChew2 Todd Howard has like 2 other people above him he is just the fall guy. Obsidian is making avowed which they wanted to be like New vegas but in the ES world, Bethesda turned it down though.
They cannot write a satisfyingly conclusion to the Skyrim civil war. Not with Emils attitude.
No, that is very easy. You simply never mention Ulfric or Tullius ever again. You simply state that the war has ended and now Skyrim has joined the war against the Thalmor.
Or you do a timeskip where all known people would have died anyway.
@@jasperzanovich2504 and also they will probably take their usual route and put in two new books, each with its own perspective about the war, one talking about the Stormcloaks' pyrrhic victory, and other about Empire's pyrrhic victory. We can expect that Thalmor will be driven out of Skyrim either way after some events, perhaps after a battle at the foot of the Throat of the World. Nevertheless, Skyrim as a province will be tired and bleeding and overall irrelevant to the plot, apart from obvious easter eggs Todd would never miss including.
They'll either go with what happened in the main quest "season unending", where a ceasefire is called and then just stays, or cause a Dragon Break and somehow have both sides win.
Or both, who knows!
Well, they could have had a cease-fire then Skyrim joins the empire in the second great war, and then Skyrim is just no longer part of the empire after the war🤷🏻♂️
@@unclefester1840 Too complicated for them. They need this to be solved by a single writer before lunch. Otherwise, it will cost too much and this will affect their bottom line.
Microsoft buying the studio has become the kiss of death. These larger businesses are just eliminating competition they aren't trying to make more better games. Its monopolistic.
People that know how companies develop and work overtime can see all too well whats going on.
Bethesda died a long time ago. We are just waiting for the casket to shut. When a company is this chronically ignorant and inefficient theres zero saving it.
This is why IP's are flawed. A company gets a few good installments and then think they can do whaever they want if they just gaslight hard enough. They got away with it for awhile but now nah. Its over.
elder scrolls is officially dead until IP laws change. You should not be able to own idea's. its solely responsible for this mess.
I disagree with you, I believe Microsoft actually soften the blow of starfeild. They were for sure releasing that game in 2022 and it would of been a mess. I believe Microsoft saw that and said no it’s getting delayed.
Microsoft seems to be a wishy washy thing, monopolies are not cool at all but added pressure of being totally erased as a smaller company by your larger owner might be enough for Bethesda to not release swill that is either a marginal improvement and 5 steps back or just 5 steps back.
Shouldn't work like that, but if Bethesda has stagnated to the point of now then way I see it that's just company natural selection. If you won't deliver on your end in a contractual agreement or are releasing bland, grey sludge over and over and the big company you willfully signed with is shilling out the dough for you to exist then I don't think it's particularly unfair for them to assimilate Bethesda into the Microsoft entirely like what happened to pandemic studios with EA.
It's 2025 now, this was a fun gag 8 years ago but now it's stale like Bethesda.
This is happening in every industry right now and why we need unions and enforcement of anti-competition or anti-trust laws as well as the breakup of big obese companies.
@@dabrams84 they look to be falling apart themselves. you can't gaslight consumers forever these companies are finding out
I gave up on Elder Scrolls 6 a few years ago, about the same time I gave up on George R. R. Martin finishing A Song of Ice and Fire. Lost ALL interest in either, and I bought and played EVERY Elder Scrolls since Arena....yes I am that old. My opinion is that Bethesda thinks it can milk the earlier Elder Scrolls games a few more times....without putting forth any effort.
1000% bro. thats why you dontt peorder.
god you just had to remind me that winds of winter will never come out huh
You can probably blame ESO too on why their ass isn't on fire to produce something good and fast. Blizzard knows, they've been milking WOW for decades.
2011 really was a terrible year in hindsight with the last installment of Bethesda's Elder Scrolls, Martin's a Song of Ice and Fire, and Patrick Rothfuss's Kingkiller Chronicle. Hell, I hate 2011.
We are the same age. And i call tell: you are completely right.
Honestly, I think Bethesda is being ran by idiots lol like their budgets for games are 10 times higher than they were in the skyrim days. Why is there not to separate teams working on games?
Like in other words, when Starfield was being made, Bethesda should’ve been developing elder scrolls, six with the B team, and then when Starfield was released, they should’ve transferred over the majority of the A-Team to help the beat team with elder scrolls, cutting the timeframe between games down from like 6 to 8 years to like three years.
I just feel like they are out of touch with the modern reality of gaming
That makes too much sense and is too modern for Bethesda’s 1990s style approach to game development.
In todd we trust
I don't think that their goal is to release more games. Their goal is to make more money. This is a different thing. Making games costs money. Releasing the same game 5 times is much cheaper. Using the "Creation DLC" excuse as a new packaging to reintroduce the good old 'microtransactions' that got so much backlash in the past costs them almost nothing and allows them to increase thir bottom line with next to no risks, simply by miking decade old releases like Skyrim even further. Why do you think they released turds like ESO or 76? Obviously, because single player games can't satisfy their greed anymore. They want something to milk for one or two decades so that they can have high monetary benefits for next to zero investment. It is the utopia of the 'IP' concept: 'use a brand's image in order to cut costs' to the point of making them almost disappear, while still reaping steady and massive benefits. Right now, they are trying to get the most benefit possible from Skyrim and their online turds. Releasing a new single player game not only would cost money, but they would end up competing against themselves. As long as ESO, 76 and Skyrim bring them money, it is much safer not to release any new Fallout or TES. THat would spending a lot of money with no guarantee for the massive bottom line they are aiming for. Bethesda is doing VERY well. Which is Microsoft spent so much money to buy it in 2021, despite te controversies around their later releases. I mean, how many bought Starfield day one? Enough so that it was the best start of Bethesda's history. Even if TES VI is the worst turd of the decade when it releases, it will still be profitable for sure. Just, probably not enough to satsfy the lusty greed of their shareholders.
@ such a terrible business plan.
Skyrim was a sort of one off thing.
Also, they still make dumb decisions even if they’re doing things like that for instance, when Skyrim first came to the switch, I honestly assumed that within a year we would have fallout three in new Vegas on there and seven years later we don’t have any of the other games besides this made but it makes me wondering why?
Like they’re just leaving cash on the table there’s a whole generation of Nintendo fans who never played Fallout who would pick it up in a heartbeat just like they did with Skyrim.
Like I grew up on fallout three in new Vegas, so I was really bummed that I can never play a portable.
Just odd. Same thing for oblivion when Skyrim sold really well on the switch. Why didn’t they quickly pour oblivion like the next year onto the switch?
It’s seriously just seems so odd.
@@Faceplay2 I seem to remember that i read somehwere that it is because they simply can't port those properly. For whatever reason. Or maybe, they think that investing money to do that wouldn't return enough benefits.
See, in the past, and even in present day, for a company to live on, it needs to ear enough profits to pays the employees and the bills. But something weird started happening in the USA.
What became remunerated is not work anymore. It is capital. This is where capitalism failed. All this situation is simply the obvious sign that it failed hard.
Think about it... The business policy in the USA tends to bne "maximum short term profit". It is understandable. Even if you make a decision that jeopardize long term benefits for the sake of maximising short term benefit, if you continue to apply the "short term benefit over all else" doctrine, then that simply means you will have to handle the problem down the line.
There, you see lie, manipulations, information control... After EA released the crappy Dragon Age II 1 year after Origins in order to cash of the DA brand, they knew there would be backlash. Still, despite that, they maniopulated information in order to have gullible fools continue to by DA games up to the Veilguard. That is how they do things. Devs interviews with lies and fake informatins on non existent features. Paying gamer magasines or TH-camers to rewrite History, or simply make people forget about the previous scandal. Artificially building hype to fasten this process... That is how the gaming industry works, especially to corporate one from the USA. And as frustrating as it is to watch all this... this works like a charm.
What does this mean? If you have a board of shareholders and a company director that need to consider where to invest 10 000 000 $, they will consider the expected bottom line and delays. If they can get 20 000 000 within 5 years, 12 000 000 within one year or 30 000 000 within 10 years, something like that. They may discord a 60% profit over 3 years if they believe they can make 30% within a year.
In short, these businesses are not about paying the bills and the employees... It is about ending with the largest possible margins at the end of year, not matter what. And this is because of these policies that we see companies like EA or Bethesda going down the gutter.
Thing is, mindsets outside the USA tend to be different. This is why you have companies like Owlcat (Russian), CDPR (Polish) or Larian (Belgian) in Europe. THe mindset is different. Sven told that Larian wasn't to sell while he could have made massive benefits by selling it just before BG3 released. But money is not the priority. Hence they released games like BG3, refuse to create any DLC, put the added content in free patches, and refuse to work on a sequel, going back to their old Divinity franchise of ISO RPGs.
Quite frankly, i have no trust whatsoever in EA or Bethesda. I would - for real - rather bet on a random guy, give him 20 bucks, ask him if he can help me to do something without having any guarantee that he will come... than give these bucks to EA or Bethesda in hope they will release something even half decent. How so many people seem to still value those is very frankly waaaaaayyyyy beyond me.
As for me, i started Fallout with Fallout 1. I despise Fallout 3 to the core, obviously.
It's actually insane it's now 2025 and they teased this game in 2018. That's the length of time they went from releasing Fallout 3 in 2008 and then Fallout 4 in 2015.
Oh boy and there is still so incredibly many years to come... 2030+ for sure.
It’s really frustrating! Greed will ruin the greatest RPG in history.
And the worst part is that _IF_ or _WHEN_ The Elder Scrolls VI is released, it will probably be even more dumbed down and boring than Starfield.
It's almost like they teased the game without having it in production so the teaser isn't tied to the timeframe of TES VI release, huh. It makes you think...
What drives me potty is the realisation that I’m going to miss out on years of, hopefully, happy times in ES6, because Bethesda prioritised Starfield instead. That really burns as I’m no spring chicken and have limited time to enjoy games before the big sleep kicks in. Now, if Starfield had been great - no problem, but the fact that Starfield is SO BAD, has just spooked everyone out.
Look into a game called The Wayward Realms it's a game being made by the developer of The Elder Scrolls Daggerfall
It’s just a game, a product. And you’re just a customer still in shackles.
Get over it and free yourself
@@mrtrizzle3653it’s not just a game, though… it’s a message about the future of gaming. It’s a deliberate lowering of the bar and if all the “just” customers shrug it off as “just” a game, then they would be doing future generations a terrible disservice in favour of greedy, profit driven developers.
@ look at the industry as a whole. And then tell me.
Isn’t it time that this shitshow ends with all its liberal propaganda?
Oh and by the way I could imagine being able to choose non binary as a gender in the new elder scrolls if it continues as it is.
@@mrtrizzle3653 Get over yourself bro.
I just don’t think Bethesda knows what fans want anymore. They’re so focused on making there game bigger than the last. Why’ll more and more depth and rpg mechanics get left by the wayside.
More than anything, i don't think they care. Why would you think they do? They are simply relying on you to buy their turds just because it is written 'The Elder Scrolls" on top of it. And you WILL buy it. And then, they expect modders to do the dev job in their stead so that you will be able to write in a decade: 'TES6, bst game ever'. I mean, this is so repetitive a scheme by now, i still marvel at how so many people don't seem to see the obvious... Probably due to a severe lack of emphasis on critical thinking in modern day education.
Bethesda absolutely knows what their fans want. I believe they have been vocal for decades, it's just that Bethesda doesn't care. Don't believe me? Read their replies on Starfield criticism.
Narcissism, narcissism with zero reasons to exist.
The Creation Engine is an updated version of the Gamebryo engine which had its initial release in 1997. _That's_ how long this engine has been around for, almost 30 years. I'll give you my theory on what the problem is. Bethesda don't want to make TES6, but feel pressured to do so by fans, which is leading to this drawn out development because their hearts simply aren't in it, and in the silence the pressure has grown. If they'd made TES6 after FO4 and outsourced FO76 like they did TESO, we'd have had Starfield, TES6 and FO5 out by now. If they don't want to make it, just tell us and we can all move on. The silence helps no one.
My theory is Todd wants his audience to just buy whatever so they can keep making money. Thing is they went bankrupt and microsoft bought them.
so i think youre right. they should have just said "nah no more TES games" and leave it at that. whatever backlash they get, they'll have to take it and just focus on what they want. Like a sci-fi genre based game. Of course, I cant assume todd howards finances. no one wants to be homeless and lets be honest no ones gonna wanna hire him cause he lies too much. so maybe thats why it happened the way that it did.
honestdly its pitiful. i hope he just cleans up, if not, leave and go homeless lol you practically scammed your audience.
I think they said they don’t want to be known as the Elders Scrolls and Fallout studio
We know that devs at Obsidian have pitched to BGS to make more Fallout and TES spin-offs and they denied it. I can't imagine they would hold so tightly to something if they didn't want to make a game in that universe. Also BGS is always tight lipped. We barely had any information on Starfield for years. Todd has said he prefers radio silence, announcing a game and dropping it within a few months. Seems to me that they have jank set up when it comes to actually creativity and building the game. The devs that have left have complained about how reporting goes up and someething that they wanna put in the game right now and test takes like 3 weeks to get greenlit, and that lead designers that have left like William Chen complained he spent more time NOT making starfield and asking for approvals for quest lines than actually working on the game and coming up with quest lines. They just don't know how to run themselves. It's not a lack of desire to make TES it's just bad at managing a 400+ gaming studio.
@@daoyang223They almost went bankrupt multiple times since the 90s. It's a miracle people didn't see through them sooner.
@@austinbevis4266 Too bad, because it's the best series they ever made...
At least it feels like it'd be 3031 before TES6 comes out.
One reason I hate early release announcements is you give a lot of massive fans false hope. I remember I’d just gotten out of high school when the 2018 trailer got announced, one of my best friends at the time was unbelievably excited, and now he’s dead from cancer as of a few months ago. Bethesda got his hopes up for nothing. Don’t announce something when it’s totally undeveloped and 10 yrs out from a release …
I suspect that they only announced it in order to make the buzz. They needed some free attention since they had another turd to release soon (76). People should always wonder: "what kind of monetary benefit can they get from doing this or saying that?". Never take anything at aface value, because there are always ulterior motives, no matter what they do. This applies to EA and Activision, too.
I honestly couldn't care less if ES6 feels outdated as long as it manages to be fun. A better inventory system perhaps inspired by SkyUI, an even slightly more varied overworld that manages to not feel too samey as you explore through it, better city design, and a main questline and major faction questlines that manage to tell good stories and I'd be pretty much satisfied even if the graphics and gameplay don't feel like a huge overhaul from Skyrim.
I'm not asking Bethesda to reinvent the wheel and blow all our minds with the greatest game ever made, I really don't think the idea of a more refined Skyrim that learns from their past mistakes to make something even slightly better is all that much to ask of them. Just make the game good, that's all I want. I couldn't care less about groundbreaking graphics or major overhauls to the gameplay or etc. So what if the game feels a bit outdated? I still play lots of outdated games. I still have fun playing them. I still play Skyrim. I still play Oblivion. I'd rather get a game that feels a bit outdated but is still good and fun than a game that feels modern but sacrifices quality to achieve that.
This is a healthy attitude to have. A measured response instead of the usual death threats that are sent to devs when things don’t meet or exceed expectations.
With bugs and lag there is no fun don't be silly!
Daily reminder that Fallout New Vegas was made in 1.5 years.
With massive amounts of fallout 3 assets
@@freaskydoodle999 The writing was what made the game memorable. It was written for a thinking, adult audience and not for 10-year old like Fallout 3.
@@Immopimmo who said anything about story and writing im talking tech and assets here i prefer new vegas by a long shot to but why cant people acknowledge the reality
Whole other group of devs
And I thought my opinion of Bethesda's inner management couldn't get any lower
Makes a lot more sense when you realize that Bethesda is waiting for the next gen Xbox to release sometime around 2027. Once the hype train begins for the next Xbox, you'll see a lot more progress on the next Elder Scrolls and Fallout. Whether or not they're worth waiting on a new console for is another issue. I don't have any faith that the next gen Xbox will be all that much better than what we have now, just more expensive.
After everything they've released _since_ Skyrim, I honestly can't imagine ES6 being worth getting for me. I'd love to be proven wrong but their game design and writing has progressively been getting farther away from what I find enjoyable. And honestly, everything else aside, Starfield alone has me beyond skeptical in their future work.
For me skyrim is included, but I agree wholeheartedly.
Nah I'm honestly over ES6 at this point. Bethesda ruined this game for
You could honestly say that even elder scrolls as a franchise is different now. over time bethesda has legit written elder scrolls into a different franchise. they fucked up the lore so much, same with fallout.
@LittleMissLuna232
The only thing that sells ES and Fallout are the titles and themes.
Everything I see in Todd Howard games, other studios have been doing better since before Fallout 4.
I'm just interested in the release, just to see it being played on YT, I'm not paying $170.00 AUD for it . And yes Starfield was that price in Aussie Dollaridoos 💀😒 NOPE!
I just hope OpenMW's engine progresses enough to provide a modding base for the community once Skyrim and oblivion are inevitably ported to it. I'm over Bethesda, the modders have surpassed the developers.
What would make you want to play ES6? Everyone says things like this and I’m always curious as to what they expect one way or another. Like it’s vague. “If it’s like starfield” but then nobody explains what that means. Not saying you are saying that but I’m curious on what WOULD make people play it or want it. I play modded Skyrim and I know I want like 90% of the QoL addons and I feel like we won’t get those so it’ll have to be modded in. What I’m hopeful for is larger areas, so taking starfields large world/universe and condense it into one area but make places much bigger. Can it happen? Idk. But for me that’s what would get me to play and keep going back so long as those larger areas have content.
starfield was a waste of development time, resources, and money. i hope at the very least the negative feedback from it will go into making ES6 better
judjing by interviews it will make it ever worse because they always learn a wrong lesson.
There are still people like that it seems, that somehow believe that all these failures were 'accidents' and that the next one will be better somehow...
For many of us the writing on the wall was Oblivion, which will seem like heresy to many younger Elder Scrolls fans. But for those of us who grew up playing the old dungeon crawlers and CRPGs and can readily recall the transition to full 3D, Morrowind was genuinely the last time Bethesda seemed capable of bottling lightning, and they've been consistently diluting the potency of their formula ever since. I say Oblivion is the marker of a downward trajectory primarily because it was the point at which they became a multi-platform studio and began compromising on key areas. And here we are. Starfield is irredeemably poorly conceived, only a studio that has lost its way could deliver something so anachronistic and leaden with such decadent fanfare. Microsoft have bought a hit and miss publisher attached to a lemon development house.
What old dungeon crawlers and CRPGs do you recommend we play?
You are exactly right. I never cared for TES, but while in high school, i ventured into Fallout (the first), Planescape, Baldur's Gate, Arcanum, and such games... There is NO WAY i would EVER find anything remotely satisfying in things like Skyrim. Needs several hundred mods to reword every aspect of the game before it is playable. Only the core map design and artistic direction are worth anything in Skyrim.
@@dabrams84 Arcanum, Baldur's Gate (I and II), Planescape Torment, Fallout (I and II), Diablo (the first one), Vampire the masquerade: Bloodlines, ... Diablo is a hack 'n slash though, the first one ever made, but with great ambiance and music. Although, you can't run in this :). Planescape is the best RPG in History, with Avellone as project director, but you will probably hate this one, too. Granted, if you found Skyrim half decent, you will hate all those i mentioned (i consider OG Skyrim to be the bottom of the barrel, this is a piss poor RPG in all regards). They are ISO RPGs, sometimes, they were ugly even when they released. You need to handle your limited inventory and carry weight, need to prepare your expeditions carefully, you will see the Game Over screen, you have to micro manage stuff (all stuff, but this is what i love), you won't find the key to a door next to it just because devs don't want to frustrate little kids, there are very obviously no disgusting arrow pointing to the right direction, and more than anything, some of those games require heavy reading (especially Planescape, where you can spend hours on a single map, reading dialogues, fascinating ones, though). Although, i never exhausted all ends or all companions in Planescape. Right now, what i anticipate most when it comes to RPGs, is my try to mod heavily a BGT (Baldur's Gate Trilogy, meaning BG I and II in BGII engine) game. Granted, i played it more than 10 or 20 000 hours already, but it's been a while i have been meaning to mod it properly. This simply is no easy task. All the more so considering that new mods that release these days (one i want is still is beta) set the bar very high and my list of mods ends up being too large...
I hope everyone enjoys Elder Scrolls IV.
I'll be enjoying Skywind, Skyblivion, & Beyond Skyrim. To me, they are the future of Elder Scrolls.
Bethesda will make something impressive, but they'll be making an Elder Starfield game instead.
I will make TES6 alone as a Skyrim mod and I will be done earlier than Bethesda
Skyblivion will be very interesting!
Beyond Skyrim is so freaking exciting
Agreed, but Tamriel Rebuilt is being slept on - despite all the work being done there. A shame, really
At this point I want them to release TES 6 ASAP just to let the modders to do their job at making it a good game. The only fear I have is that the main quest and the guilds will be even worse.
Bethesda does not have the talent, passion, resources, or veterancy to make a good game anymore.
I'm more looking foreword to fan made creations that will add new lands to Skyrim of old.
look up The Wayward Realms
More than they anything, they don't have the 'will' to.
we should be getting elder scrolls 7 by now wtf is this
We should have had 7 release, and been about halfway through the development cycle for 8.
@ASNS117Zero 6 should of came out in 2017 and 7 should be out next year realistically
@@thefreshvince879 Nah. There's no reason it should have taken even *that* long. Oblivion came out in 2006 - there's no logical reason why we shouldn't have been able to have 3 numerical releases in 19 years and expect the 4th to come out in another year or two in that time, especially for a super popular franchise like TES.
That there's only been 1 numerical release in 19 years since Oblivion is an abject failure for Bethesda, and their entire management staff should be sacked.
@@ASNS117Zeroall they had to do was make oblivion again with better graphics, but that would've been too easy.
Back in my day developers released sequels in a year, and you could always count on a sequel being way better than the game prior.
The old GTA games are the first that come to mind. It was literally every 10-18 months we got a brand new GTA game that massively improved features and added in tons of new things to do. Each game was a mind blowing experience if you'd played the last.
Now we have to wait 5+ years between sequels and most of the time the developers make a shitty game or ruin what players loved about the previous.
Since Starfield and how Bethesda is still dealing with feedback about it all, I have lost all faith in TES6. Starfield perfectly shows the shortcomings of their writing, game design and the prehistoric engine. When speaking about the latter, the problem is not about the graphics at all, it's about the limitations, like each interior having a loading screen. If you compare starfield to cyberpunk, it's pathetic. They can't do so much stuff because their engine sucks. That's one of the main reasons.
The other is the ABSOLUTE lack of accountability, like it's the gamers fault we don't like the game, the writing is good! It just isn't for you... With people like Emil Pagliarulo so high up the ladder, we will never get a good main story or interesting side quests. He refuses to take any feedback, he's an awful example to the employees.
Wanna hear something ? Kurt Kuhlmann, 20+ years veteran, Kirkebride's protège and their last lorehead left Bethesda same day as Starfield released. Now there is literally nobody inside BGS except for Emil "Can-i-Change-The-Lore-Todd" Pagliarulo left and he's the reason why Kurt and so many other veterans left. Emil was and still is an insufferable pr*ck.
@@Vert_GreenHeart Yea that sadly checks out ... Seems like this company is a big echo chamber now and nothing will change, it'll just get worse.
After Fallout 76 and Starfield, how could anyone have any hopes for TES6?
blind fanboys
People with no critical thinking that were bred and taught from birth not to ever criticise anything because criticising stuff is evil. And then, young kids who found in 76 and the Veilguard the deepest roleplaying experiences they could ever expect from such groundbreaking masterpieces (according to them). And then, those influenced or paid by private interests to 'overhype stuff in order to compensate for those who dare dislike it and hence, must be hairy trolls that Justice must reclaim'. Sure everyone here met those dangeroulsy contagious creatures here and there in the woods.
I'm not even waiting anymore. Elder Scrolls basically denounced its weirdness, trying to become just another generic fantasy setting so. If the next instalment is going to be set in Hammerfell the only thing we can expect is boring "Fantasy Middle East" and nothing more.
Not to mention that current Bethesda games are simply bad.
My first game was oblivion, it was my first time playing anything like ES so I loved it. Then I tried Morrowind and was totally blown away. I had a "What the hell happened" moment when I realized how much was cut.
guys I slipped on snow, fell down and died for a moment. I was connected to myself in 2078 when I died of brain hemorrhage from high cholestrol. I saw my grand kids playing skyrim anniversary 400 and still waiting for ES6. So lets not have our high hopes. Also I met my descendent from 2203 possibly my reincarn that died there, he was waiting for ES6 to come out too so... there you have it folks. Good news though they have half life 3 by then. But still no ES6 so just move on.
Good to know your family lives that long.
Bethesda Game Studios does not work on Indiana Jones. That is Machine Games. Not the same company.
Skywind or skyblivion are more hyped than tes6
The thing about xbox pushing to streamline ES6... Bethesda has been on A consistent path of streamlining their games since morrowind. If it's streamlined more than skyrim was, I shudder to think what we will get.
Every race has the exact same stats, no "male/female" variation, no classes, no skills, linear story with "exploration" taken from starfield. No supplementary mechanics (smithing, spellmaking, enchanting).
@@Izzmonster No, all these will be there, but it will be over simplified. 'All-in-on-click-immediate-satisfaction-meaning-no-sactifcation-at-all" kind of idiotic design. Beth (and most western devs, mostl american ones) don't seem to understand that 'satisfaction' is somethuing that comes mostly when 'frustration' is released. To create satisfaction, you first must pile on frustration. That simply is how it is. This 'immediate satisfaction' thing is a big part of what made games so dull in the first place.
@@nox8730 This is all true. We're in truly dark times my friend.
@@IzzmonsterSo dark, it feels like it is night all year round.
Games that spend this much time in development usually don’t turn out that well, and I think it’s because over time people start losing sight of their original intentions on a project. People change, and it’s reasonable to assume that their work will. So Elder Scrolls 6 might really suck.
Now they will make a subpar Oblivion remake and justify it as giving us 'what we want' to buy time.
I'm worried they'll shutdown Skyblivion because of their remaster...(not even a remake, Skyblivion is the remake)
@Vert_GreenHeart oh lord I hope not
@@Vert_GreenHeart They won't shutdown Skyblivion. Bethesda has always openly supported modders, and the Skyblivion team is literally doing their job for them. Bethesda will still make a little money for zero work; people who don't own Oblivion will have to purchase it in order for Skyblivion to launch.
@@muscleman125 What they did to Fallout London is nothing short of ignorance, they don't actively combat big modding project but they don't even show a shred of respect to them either, in fact they'll come to disdain them if people start to say a mod like F:London is a better story than vanilla FO4.
I paid for Skyrim over 5 times because I thought that money was helping create the next game in the series… they didnt do that and now I’m old
If we’re still on ES V in the year 3031, 1000 years after its first release, the modding scene has got to be nuts.
There's no talent left at BGS. ES6 won't suck because the Creation Engine is bad, it will suck because there is nobody left there who can make the game into something great. Starfield sucked because that was the best they could do. There was nobody who could translate Todd's core idea into a memorable game.
Blame it on the Emil-fication of Bethesda, blame it on the company getting too big and bureaucratic, blame it on the sycophants, fanfic writers, and DEI hires they have filled the company with, and whatever else. It's all a part of why the company sucks now. All the people who made your favorite BGS game awesome are gone and you'll never get a good game from the studio again.
Honestly the best thing that could happen to BGS is for Microsoft to shut them down and build entirely new studios around each of their core IPs filled with the most talented creatives they can find. Give Todd a lifetime achievement award and let him retire. Pat Emil on the head, tell him he did a good job, give him a cookie, and show him the door.
bethesda after realizing modders allow players to make they're own elder scrolls 6 for free that would be infinitely better than anything bethesda would make in the decade they've had to make TES6
Remember playing Morrowind as kid 22 years ago and been pretty sure that in next game we wont have loading screens to every house and REAL windows xD
I'd say it's more likely, given Bethesda's reputation, that Micro$oft is forcing them to fix bugs. Given how bad Skyrim was it could take them decades to get a halfway bug free game to release.
Skyblivion and Beyond Skyrim are exciting. TES VI is a disappointment until proven otherwise.
I can answer the question, whether Elder Scroll 6 will live up to the expectations, really fast. NO, it will not. There I spared you another disappointment by Bethesda.
I am also not looking forward to ES6 anymore. Bethesda has fallen off their pedestal so quickly that I fear it cannot be redeemed. We've seen the way they've released their last few games. The way they make them is different now. Fallout 4 was the last truly decent Bethesda title, and even that had it's issues with the fanbase.
Bethesda has fallen flat on it's face every year since Fallout 4 was done being developed. I remember seeing GManlives put up a crazy sad rant trying to defend Starfield because he couldn't cope with the fact that his favorite developers suck now. That was when I realized Bethesda was done and their fanboys had devolved into meat riders who would've still enjoyed Starfield if it crashed every 5 minutes and the only gameplay feature was a remake of Pong.
I'm worried. Fallout 4 showed the lack of imagination in story, characters and quests and a continuation with the auto generated "eternal" quests concept.
It was a grind. I felt like i needed to push through the game.
Starfield seems even more thin.
Red flags are allover the place. Unless they switch their whole new concept. I don't see that happening. Fetch quests or kill this animal and get 100 gold incoming.
I'm worried. And Bethesda basically saying they don't believe it will be good enough is saying something about their confidence and skillset. And it ain't good.
I've felt this way since skyrim released. It was a huge disappointment and they've continued with the streamlining and gutting.
@@Izzmonster Agreed. Skyrim was so damn dull... But the arts were good. Artistic direction, music and the gameworld map. But that was pretty much all of it. Most of the rest was a disaster, and the so-called quests were mostly simply scripted events where you had no choice whatsoever, not even to say simply "NO".
@@nox8730 Yeah, as the graphics improved everything else swirled the toilet.
Microsoft doesn't need to push Bethesda towards streamlining their games and opting for mass market appeal over depth. It's what Bethesda has already been doing for over 2 decades now. Oblivion casualized certain aspects of Morrowind, just like how Skyrim casualized certain aspects of Oblivion. Elder Scrolls 6 will do the same, and just like its predecessors, it will fail to add enough of its own to make up for what has been lost.
I grew up with the franchise, but I've accepted the fact that BGS is gone and continues in name only. ES6 will almost certainly be a massive disappointment.
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Only those who have expectations will be disappointed. On the other hand, this means that they WILL be disappointed.
The way I see it, we are either getting an amazing game that looks like Rockstar, CD Projekt Red, and FromSoftware partnered with Bethesda to create the Elder Scrolls game of our dreams, which is why it took so long, or it will be some Cronenberg hellspawn of Fallout 76, Starfield, and Cyberpunk 2077 at launch, mashed together into a buggy, procedurally generated nightmare that will make commentary TH-camrs more money than Bethesda spent making Elder Scrolls 6. And who knows, maybe Bethesda could pull a Cyberpunk and fix Elder Scrolls 6, but by the time that happens, we will be on GTA 10.
"we are either getting an amazing game that looks like Rockstar, CD Projekt Red, and FromSoftware partnered with Bethesda to create the Elder Scrolls game of our dreams, which is why it took so long"
LOOOOOL !!
This one was funny :)
After the absolute letdown of nearly every AAA game over the past few years, and despite being autistically obsessed with the elder scrolls, im not exited for ES6 in the slightest.
And you are a wise one indeed.
My honest feeling and opinion:
Bethesda just doesn't care anymore. The Elder Scrolls is their main franchise and, although Fallout also had a huge success as a franchise, I think it's reasonable to agree that TES is what carried the studio to success. And at this point, I think they're just trying to kill it off. They fired all of the original writing team of the Elder Scrolls games, leaving veteran fans and old developers (like Kirkbride) to believe that it will be a disaster. I genuinely think they're trying to kill the franchise, use ESO as a money-farm and I have a really strong feeling that TES VI will be the LAST singleplayer game of the franchise and then, there will be only ESO.
The engine is a huge problem! But they’re kind of stuck in between a rock and a hard place. The announcement and then huge delay seems poorly timed too 😢 great video man!
Thanks AVV! Yeah it is a huge issue for them, I just don’t see how they will be able to compete in the future if they don’t innovate
The engine is really not a problem.
Engines can evolve, get better. Just needs work.
The writing is the biggest problem. Look at FNV , still holds up today
@@FabiTheSnake The Creation Engine specifically, apparently..... has many things holding it back from actually being innovated though. Apparently alot of "mistakes" were made in the early conceptions of Creation Engine. It was Gamebryo before that, and something else before even Gamebryo and now Creation Engine 2 is built up on top of all of those iterations. Alot of people will tell you that the engine is held together by duct tape. It's got walls built in now, made of that duct tape, that prevents the engine from being able to be upgraded in certain ways to do certain things.
For instance, alot of modern open world games have seamless travel, you go from the street into a building and out the buildings back door back into the street all without a loading screen, however Creation Engine and how it handles physics specifically, makes it so that it would be horrible for performance to be able to set that up throughout their games. Only by going back and chunking out that whole part of the engine and replacing it, would they be able to rectify that issue, but the physics engine is attached via duct tape lines to a bunch of other core elements within the engine which means they are all effected by its removal and replacement. It would be easier for them to build a new engine from scratch without the mistakes or switch to a better engine, like Unreal Engine 5 and work with Epic like CDPR are, to adapt that engine to do certain things that would work to make it feel like a BGS title, than it would be to actually continue to press the Creation Engine forward enough to feel like it can compete with modern engines like Unreal 5 or even the last edition of Red Engine before CDPR abandoned that.
BGS isn't ready to tap out though, they've specifically made this engine to make their games and they don't want to waste the time it would take to train and switch or pay the royalties to Epic for their engine use, and they have an entire engineer department that would likely lose their jobs if they didn't have an in house engine anymore. BGS needs something more than the backlash to Starfield to convince them that Creation Engine is toast. They also don't want to give up on it because they just implemented paid mods. a paid mods store does not work when the game runs on Unreal 5 because its not BGS's decision to release the modding tools and their community knows the creation engine, not Unreal, so they would be fucking themselves by switching because they would lose all that income and all that free game support that they've relied on for years to keep their games alive. Modding wouldn't die, but it would become far less popular and simple.
All this to say, the creation engine has some good things about it, but alot of skeletons in its closet that will prevent it from likely ever, actually standing next to modern day tech giant engines. a BGS title will just never feel as good as a game made on one of those engines.
@@redwolfstudios5699 This was a really interesting read, I had no idea so thank you :)
Tod Howart is a Problem
I just think he’s not adapting to the modern times as well as he could/should. I’m sure he’s a nice guy!
@GoatedSynro i have no hope for this, the fact that they do a remaster of oblivion, knowing that some of the great modders actual do skyblivion is a sign that there is no hope for this company. The big companies will find crisis because they don't listen anymore to us, the audience and gamers. Maybe that's more disappointing for big fans like us that remember on the old days with Mass Effect, the elder scrolls and more. I dont wanna think about the evil move breaking fallout london with a patch
What an understatement. Further more I can't blame Todd entirely there's alot of culty Howard fans out there that keep him propped up.
If you've heard about what he's been like to work with from past devs..yeah he's a problem. Nice guy, but a hinderance. Especially today.
he was a good guy in the past but the negative things weight more and more. I was not a fan of him either i dont dislike him but yo, all the awesome titles Bethesda has done .. its just sad
Isnt the "Creation Engine" actually just an updated Gamebryo Engine, which is even older lol. They haven't done a significant engine upgrade in like 30 years.
I love how exclusivity is seen as cringe and yet in the same sentence Nintendo gets a pass. Why?
only room for one in the market, nintendo is to gaming what apple is to PCs
No the hell they don't lol
Nintendo makes incredible games, but if they want to remain exclusive, we'll continue pirating and reverse engineering their consoles
@@ericestrada3530 all the time and electricity you've spent pirating nintendo games and you could've bought a switch and all the games in the world. Instead you spent your time seeding roms on the pirate bay, time you could've spent working to make the peanuts required to buy nintendo games.
Seriously bro, bragging about not be willing to spend $300 is cringe and makes you look like a cheapskate.
@@muscleman125 Consoomer
@@muscleman125 keep defending that billion dollar company, I'm sure they care about you.
Honestly, it was to be expected. Bethesda enters full scale production on a project only when the project from before is in the last stages of development. For example, Starfield entered full scale production a few months before Fallout 76 shipped. So I believe it's normal for them to start full scale production on TESVI in 2023, because that's when Starfield was in it's last stages of development. And because TESVI has been in full scale production for like a year and half now, I don't think we'll see gameplay earlier than 2026. So the problem was that they announced it way to early, in 2018, the pre-production had just started.
"The year is 3031"
"After over a decade", technically not wrong, but that hurts me
Regardless of what they do the game is going to disappoint many simply for the time its taken to release. I have no faith in them anymore. Fallout 4 felt somewhat outdated on release and that was a decade ago this year. Starfield was hot garbage and they don't seem to listen to any criticism anywhere, they're delusional
Doesn't matter how much feedback Bethesda gets if they refuse to listen.
The problem is that the Bethesda that made Fallout 3/ 4, Elder Scrolls III/ IV/ V and more no longer exists. Nearly every single one of those devs and designers that made those game have moved to other companies. And why? Because as Bethesda grew it stopped being a company that made great games, and became instead a corporate profit-first enterprise. After 2016 Bethesda transitions from a company focused on making great games, to a company creating opportunities for players to spend money. In reality I can't see any way for Bethesda to move forward and again make great games while Todd Howard is still at the helm.
00:15 I got another one lol 6 pops up on the screen, everyone cheers, then it moves to the left and to the right it says more years.
A lesson to all studios in the future to NOT announce a game until it's at least past pre-production (keep in mind pre-production is incredibly important and takes time)
TES fans have to hallucinate our own content for a decade before we get a new game
Lore channels all but given hope lol they milked everything and desperately needs new content which isn't coming
I'm sure it will be made for "modern audiences" so despite Skyrim being one of the best games I ever played, I"m not holding out much hope for VI
imagine woke elder scrolls nonsense
No more dark or wood elves they are called East elves and southern Elves and orcs have been removed due to "overt" racism to real life stereotypes.
-Bethesda, Probably.
the core issue this video seeks to address is explained by the following sequence.
- Zenimax announces TES VI to generate hype ahead of a major acquisition and allows them to hire directly for TES VI (harder to hire for unannounced games).
- Zenimax bought out by Xbox, have to throw everything into getting Starfield out the door (evidence in it's delayed release date)
- Starfield releases in late 2023 - team can now go into actual production on TES6.
- Expect at earliest a TES VI 2027 release based on the schedule slip from the xbox lawsuit schedule + relative slip of known title release dates.
Ultimately I don't really see anything to be embarassed about (other than Starfield). This video assumes a lot of reasoning on the part of the developer (e.g. the timing of the TES6 trailer wasn't hype ust for the fans, it was to sell the franchise as valuable to Xbox) that is explained by more industry/business driven rationales.
Starfield, Fallout76, Fallout4 was pretty mediocre, Skyrim was a streamlined disappointment. They have a lot to be embarrassed about.
Skyrim was a dull mess with no creativity whatsoever, poor writing, embarrassing game design, marked by a lack of content somewhat compensated by disgusting 'random fetch quests'. Everything after Skyrim has been steadily worse. The fact this company still exists at this point is merely because they bank of their former glory, and that of others (Black Isle's in this case). They have value only through the IPs they happen to own. But these very IPs are losing value over time due to all the turds they have been releasing since almost 20 years. To me, Bethesda has been an embarrassment since Fallout 3, what with this laughably shallow, ridiculous and childish main quest that wasn't even a quest in the first place...
there’s no way they don’t F this up, its going to be a massive letdown and we all know it. In a way I hope it doesn’t get released because this company lacks self awareness and won’t change
BGS is always tight lipped. We barely had any information on Starfield for years. Todd has said he prefers radio silence, announcing a game and dropping it within a few months. Seems to me that they have jank set up when it comes to actually creativity and building the game. The devs that have left have complained about how reporting goes up and someething that they wanna put in the game right now and test takes like 3 weeks to get greenlit, and that lead designers that have left like William Chen complained he spent more time NOT making starfield and asking for approvals for quest lines than actually working on the game and coming up with quest lines. They just don't know how to run themselves. It's not a lack of desire to make TES it's just bad at managing a 400+ gaming studio.
"A master class in building hype"? Dude, it was literally a logo shown on a screen.
1. "Development Hell" isn't when a game takes a long time to release from when it's announced. The term is used for projects that have challenges stopping it from being made, such as lack of direction and artistic differences. Most of the time, we'll see the projects swapping out important people like the creative directors. I have seen no evidence of there being any internal problems in regards to ES6 development.
The only reason the game got announced so early is because they knew people were going to be critical of Fallout 76.
The reason it's taking so long is because the majority were working on Starfield.
They've only been in full development for about a year, why would they be showing off anything for a game that's probably 2 years away or more? Aside from potential leaks, we probably won't see much until the game is 6-12 months before launch.
2. The engine isn't the problem and visuals aren't the most important thing in Bethesda games. I don't need the next Elder Scrolls to look as good as Cyberpunk. I want it to look fine and function as a Bethesda game does.
e.g. being able to drop something at the beginning of the game, come back 200 hrs later and it still being there. This small amount of freedom compounds and allows for freedom most other games don't have.
Their current engine was made for the games they make. Moving to Unreal or Unity might make the game look better, but they'd have to strip away more features and ultimately reduce player freedom.
I wouldn't be willing to make that trade, especially since modding is so accessible for their engine. You can make the game look as beautiful as your system can handle with mods.
3. I mostly agree with your worry with Microsoft involved, I think they'll push them further into "safe" content, which will hinder the impact imo.
I do believe it will end up coming to Playstation. Though, I think they'll need to convince Sony to allow mods that add new meshes and such. Them not allowing it is why Skyrim's Bards College Expansion didn't launch on PS, for example.
they're just lazy
I would probably agree for Shattered Space, I'd need some convincing for their other projects.
"I have seen no evidence of there being any internal problems in regards to ES6 development." - Well, I have seen no evidence of there being any development of ES6 going on at all.
Because they've only been in full development for a year, the game is probably 2 or more years away... Why are you expecting updates right now?
I agree with you
>deep lore and rich story telling Bethesda was known for
Are we thinking of the same Bethesda?
screw microsoft and everything they do at this point...
They only showed it so the valuation of their company went up so Microsoft would pay more for them. They never actually even started.
Im 34 years old and this game release is the first time I hear a seller say "dont expect too much from our product or you will be disappointed."
A worlds first for me. They dont even pretend anymore lmao
Even when it is released it won't look/play as good as a modded Skyrim. Nolvus Awakening and Lorerim showcase the standards that Bethesda should adhere to. For me, a lot has changed since 2011 and Todd can't be trusted with ES6 if the shambles that is Starfield, and his inability to accept how underwhelming it is, is anything to go by.
Starfield was a huge leap forward for Bethesda. But people hated it. It was a leap of passion, but sadly people lost it over the things they did wrong instead of recognizing the things they did right. Regardless that had an effect. They are learning what every big company learns, the paradox of choice means no matter what you make, no one will be happy. Big companies play it safe. It's why film companies don't make originals. Scaring companies with hate means you get lukewarm instead of blown away. Right or wrong the people killed passion, so aim low.
Lore fans are definitely not suffering. We're eating the best in fact. With stuff like TR and PT, who can complain?
I genuinely think that announcement trailer was done for the purposes of increasing stock value for when Microsoft bought them out.
Geez, can't wait for bugged procedural dragons 😷
The situation is so flat that a graphic remake of Skyrim which keeps mods would be way more exciting.
In a time long ago, Todd Howard was asked when we will get TES6. He actually replied with 2025. At the time everyone thought he just picked a random year to temper expectations. It is now 2025. We are getting a reveal trailer this year. Hopefully it will get the fallout 4 treatment and Todd will play it on stage and say it’s releasing holiday season this year. That’s my prediction. I remember reading about small updates and interviews with Todd and Bethesda in game informer before Skyrim came out. It seemed like every issue that came out in 2011 had a new interview or story with minor updates about Skyrim. I think Bethesda became exhausted from answering all these questions about their next game. That’s why fallout released the way it did. I predict that’s how they are going to release TES6 the same way. A small announcement saying check out our new game showcase. The game showcase will be a few upcoming projects and then end with TES6 releasing later this year.
Wow that’s very optimistic. I personally now can’t see them realistically releasing it this year especially with GTA 6 coming out. But who knows maybe you’re on to something there
2026 or 2027, that's what I would say. too big project to release this year
And it is possible it takes even long
In any case, it is released as a broken mess
I highly doubt it’s coming out this year judging off of development time for pass games.
The best bet would be realistically we’re getting it in like 2026 at the earliest.
I wish... but incredibly unlikely. Even if 2025 aligned with the time line he had mapped out at the time. Covid hit and fucked all the time lines everyone had. Leaked documents showing games were supposed to release 1-2 years before they actually did would suggest even if 2025 was the original goal post, 2026-2027 would be the goal post internally now.
I think a trailer is possible this year
All they have to do is make it as moddable as Skyrim (if not more) and release the creation kit alongside it AT THE EXACT SAME TIME, with a tutorial or guide for the kit. If they want to be even more successful, then release a video that showcases the creation kit, and an in depth guide for it let's say 1-2 months IN ADVANCE of the game, so that modding can begin from day 1.
That's it.
Neither F4 nor Starfield has been as successful modding wise as Skyrim (or Oblivion or Morrowind) has been, which has been their biggest faults in my opinion.
No, this is the wrong attitude. They need to release a compelling game with deep mechanics and a story that wasn't written by a 2nd grader.
OMG... So, you basically endorse how Todd has relied on modders to make his games? Wow... the future of this world is seriously grim. All they have to do is DESERVING my money. Which is not something they have managed since 2006. This is how companies are meant to strive. Not by grappling at coveted IPs and doing a consistently crap job, and having modders work for them for free instead. A companies that does that simply needs to disappear once and for all.
They cant make ES6 a success. Everyone at this point is too used to Skyrim with mods and were all kind of expecting basically a new Skyrim with a lot of those mods as base features. They will NEVER be able to make even half as good a game as Skyrim with a few mods. Starfield was a disappointment and theyve run out of Heart and soul for their games. ES6 will be a success once it gets a modkit and 1-2 years pass by so modders can once again fix their sht. Believe me, we wont even get the option to choose where our weapons are stored on your characters, like a one handed sword on the back or a dagger on the ankle. They wont give us NPCs with an actual own everyday life. Hell, skyrim doesnt even have modding. What makes skyrim great is its base content combined with tons of mods that improve every aspect of the game. They couldnt make a game half as good nowadays even if they wanted.
bait used to be believable, reading this I don't even think *you* know what you're taking about.
0:26 you didn't plagiarise him because you gave him credit. plagiarism is when you copy and try to pass it off as your original work
The last of the people who gave Bethesda "deep lore and interesting storytelling" left the studio 20 years ago.
I saw a post on reddit today saying that as of the 8th of Jan 2025, the TES6 teaser trailer is now older than Skyrim was when the teaser trailer was released. I agree with all your points apart from the point about the Creation Engine. I don't think that Bethesda should change game engines as it would be a major disruption with no guaranteed pay off. Nice video, I enjoyed watching!
It’s actually insane and pretty embarrassing isn’t it. I’m really glad your enjoyed!
9:59 - Can the Bethesda RPG formula be diluted more..?
news flash dude; bethesda "RPG's" have always been dumbed down versions of Dungeons and Dragons; this sentiment has been spouted since Skyrim came out and it's getting beyond tired.
@@muscleman125 I don't know about that, I guess daggerfall was the closest to D&D mechanics.. but really they left the dice rolls system with Oblivion...
The games has been dumbed down quite a bit over the franchise life though. Choice has no real consequences in the game anymore.. you can join any faction, and become arch mage without being able to cast any advance spells.. At least Morrowind had requirements to progress skills... and In Daggerfall you could "lock" your game if you said "no" to do certain quests..
They make it halo
@@muscleman125 what does d&d have to do with it? No one cares, we're talking about how they've been gutting and dumbing down THEIR OWN GAMES.
@@terrydavis1286 if they did, the main story would at least become better 😂
They only lucked out on the 4th and 5th games. The first 3 were actually groundbreaking in terms of vast open world RPGs went. The only reason the buggy messes they released after had success is because we didn't have Unity or Unreal engines. Theoretically a sweaty guy with too many cats and a few bitcoins saved from back in the day can outdo them now.
My conspiracy is that ES6 is already done, but the think-tanks are telling them to wait/alter it.
Tbh with Bethesda's track record lately I actively do not want elder scrolls VI to come out under their development. If they outsourced development to another studio and published it I'd give it a chance.
An issue I'm sure Bethesda is considering if not worried about, is them being capable of beating and being compared to a fully modded Skyrim with shaders and ENB.
Given that Morrowind had 40 people and like 4 years of development and Starfield 8 years and a team of 500 and made a pretty empty game, I doubt it’s a lack of resources.
Nevermind that while Oblivion and Skyrim had upgraded graphics, more VA and QL upgrades, the depth of the games and story, in varying degrees, has decreased. Whenever they do put effort into 6, I don’t have high hopes for whatever slop they create.
agreed
Nah, 76 was their big embarrassment Elder Scrolls 6 will be the reason they get "restructured".
I hope they restructure their whole team out of there and get a completely new set of people.
@@Izzmonster I hope they simply bankrupt and that TES franchise goes to a studio on another continent. Problem is... since it will be all about money rather talent all over again, we should simply assume that both TES and Fallout are dead.
@@nox8730 100%, if some small studio filled with devs who actually have passion and a vision got ahold of it, it could be amazing. Odds are that isn't going to happen
One of the endings for shattered space was you die and reload your save. I'm not expecting much different in the future, that is such a low bar I don't even know what to say
this video is as big as a nothing burger than the subject you try to discuss 😮💨😮💨
Ikr, it barely touches meaningless surface level of discussions about the sombre future of TES6.
Bethesda is still around?
The brand is. Still shaking money from gullible fools.
Why are people so certain that the game will be in Hammerfell or High Rock? It's clear they did absolutely no writing on the game before Starfield came out, and the teaser looks like a stock landscape they threw out there precisely because it's so nondescript and can fit in nearly any region.
The only explanation on Hammerfell/High Rock that is realistic is that Bethesda will take the easy way out and pick a human province so they don't have to come up with a strange, alien setting like they did with Morrowind, opting instead for fantasy Arabia or fantasy France.
Yeah you hit the nail on the head. They have no vision or creativity.
Oh gosh... Being french, i pray that they will spare us the 'fantasy France' disaster. Any time an american starts tackling anything french, i end up having extremely violent thoughts. Like when this 'thing' released the infamy called "Dunkerque" in cinemas............. I probably won't ever be able to forgive and forget that, not in decades. Considering my age, i will probably be dead before it happens. It is this, or some radom crap made by a guy who never went out of his garden and look at the world through Fox News. Which may be even worse than a film only meant to rewrite History at the anglosphere's benefit and crap of french soldiers just because they happen to be french. Urgh... bad for my blood pressure again.
Imagine wanting skyrim mechanics over clearly superior oblivion ones.
Simply put, they shouldn't've announced it that bloody early.
Idk how any game needs more than 3-4yrs development. Sad. Mismanagement has always been an issue for Todd.
I predict that TES VI will fare slightly better than Starfield, but that's a low bar to cross.
Interesting, I think it'll continue the downward spiral that's been going on since 2011.
In many aspects, Bethesda games have felt out-dated on release since Oblivion. Bethesda's combat mechanics, player skill-expression, RPG depth, voice acting, physics, graphics, optimization, and writing have all been lapped several times by other studios both big and small. There are still things to love about Bethesda games both new and old, but overall they're getting left in the dust and the leadership at Bethesda appears to not acknowledge this.