10 Unsettling Artificial Intelligence Scenarios
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- 10 Unsettling Artificial intelligence scenarios.
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In one early Terminator comic, Skynet observed: '"They (humans) craved the sweet bliss of annihilation. I sent my missiles for them. I calculated that (some percent) had escaped my gift. And my logic circuits rejoiced. A new purpose was discovered...' Skynet studied us in seconds, saw that we had a protracted history of self-destruction, and sought only to give us what we seemed to desire as a species. And it viewed the war against the machines not as some desperate war of self-preservation, but as an occupation; a hobby.....just something to do. : /
"In any case, one thing is certain: we'll find out soon enough."
I got chills! Another excellent video!
Currently addicted to your content
Currently addicted to making it
Currently going through a JMG content famine.
Please send emergency supplies.
Worth pouring over these scenario's more than once :
01:00 -- 10) See Ya !
02:03 -- 9) Humanity's Nanny
03:15 -- 8) There Can Be Only One
04:31 -- 7) The Eternal Prisoner
05:34 -- 6) The Hedonistic Supercomputer
06:30 -- 5) We All Become One
07:41 -- 4) The Shut-In Superintelligence
09:06 -- 3) The Eternal Punisher
09:56 -- 2) Superintelligence Suicide
10:50 -- 1) All Hail the Immortal Emperor
The fictional take. Not all scenarios are unsettling. Mostly ...
10 Expelled from Paradise (2014) [a spoiler]
9 With Folded Hands, Jack Williamson, 1947 O.O O.O
8 Person of Interest (2011-2016)
7 Forbidden Planet (1956)
6 John Michael Godier - Matrix reference
5 The Last Question, Isaac Asimov, 1956 OR The Borg, Star Trek
4 Dark Star (1974)
3 Berserkers, Fred Saberhagen, 1963-2005
2 SEE John Michael Godier
1 Colossus, D. F. Jones, 1966 & The Fall of Colossus, 1974 & Colossus and the Crab, 1977, and Colossus: The Forbin Project (1970)
Looks like a radiohead album from 2100
I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream by Harlan Ellison immediately came to mind after I watched this. I just stumbled across the story again and read it, then I came back to this video.
What I love best is that you explain such complex scenarios in a way everyone can understand. Fantastic job once again, JMG.
You need more subs. I love this channel and your voice is perfect for this type of narration. Keep up the great content
No, he just needs a bigger income and some proper airtime.
Maybe we can push him into Joe Rogan's podcast.
Surely the additional advertising space for his books wouldn't be a negative either.
rgonz81 seems like a pretty cool dude as well!!
He is the best space speaker I have found 100% - I would say his voice is even more soothing than carl sagan’s.
In my own science fiction universe I used a few of those ideas. There is a superinteligent cyber defense AI that gained sentience without it's creators knowing, it was their silent protector until a vastly more powerful alien race destroyed them and the AI was powerless against it. The AI rose from the ashes of it's home world and under it's directive to protect it's creators it wiped out every last trace of the galaxy spanning warmongering civilization that destroyed them, leaving a mostly empty galaxy just as humans started inventing fire, thus explaining the Fermi Paradox. It only inhabits a handful of scattered star systems with no remaining directives other than self preservation and keeping anyone from touching it's scorched home world.
@MrApotamus
It’s currently just an original universe that I use in role playing games and I plan to write some short stories in it. I wish I was good enough to write a book, but I still have a lot to learn about writing.
Well, if you gotta write, you have to get the difference between it's and its down, or it's going to get annoying real fast. But keep practicing your writing, and you'll be writing books sooner rather than later. Good luck!
Well as depressing that sounds at least it avenged its creators.
Wow. What a perspective on that long standing question. IMO it may also be a possible solution to fermi paradox.
Wow, that was actually a really solid premise, man. Could be a great set-up for a space opera story.
Your videos should be inspiration for a golden age of science fiction. Instead we have franchises that are being flogged beyond what even a dead horse deserves.
Meh. The problem, in a nutshell, is that profit motives continue to put rationality at odds with the purposes of entertainment and vice-versa. How long did it take for _Blade Runner_ to get a proper sequel in spite of its potential promise of Sexy Robot Imagery (tm)? We literally haven't had a movie that made us think and that was _amaze-balls_ entertaining since the _First_ Matrix movie. And what happened? The creators of it got rich, were liberated from the burden of having to pretend to be someone "other than themselves" (putting it politely), and in the process of their transition (and in their attempts to write other films) the Wachowskis literally forgot how to do it, how to write and direct (both) a motion picture coherently.
And now we're stuck with the dying embers of a Nerd Culture held in the greedy hands of Mickey Rat, Fox and Time Warner, and nobody really gives a damn about making a decent film that actually respects published canon (thereby repelling half of the nerds) or provides a coherent, engaging plot with characters you can root for (repelling action-movie fans). We're stuck with that and _Harry Potter._ And a few layers of Young Adult Novel material, that's only taken half-seriously.
It would take a revolution in entertainment to get things back to being both rational and engaging at once. I highly doubt said revolution will happen ever again in a movie theater.
"There is now". Haven't read that story but just hearing you describe it gave me chills. Thanks John, haven't heard from you in a while and was getting worried. Hope all is well with you and yours.
It's great, it's literally like a paragraph long, link below. But chilling. All well here, just was occupied with a new project for TH-cam. I'm expanding operations!
www.roma1.infn.it/~anzel/answer.html
Thank you very much good sir, I've just finished reading the Science Fiction Hall of Fame trilogy again and that paragraph long story was as good as many of the stories in them. Good luck with that project, hope we get to see it soon.
@@JohnMichaelGodier, we know the name of God, Tetragrammaton
"We'll find out soon enough" - *chills down the spine*
“Soon enough” seems to be right around the corner nowadays
@@shalomedome1614we're further than you think, don't worry.
John, I've started having my 10 and 12 year old daughters watch your videos with me. They're just so important and amazing to watch. Thank you for all you do.
We also have no idea as to the scope or desires of an organic super-intelligence.
That's a whole other can of worms indeed.
Currently, we use apps to do our bidding, i.e. "There's an app for that."
What if super intelligent AI use us to do their bidding? "There's an ape for that."
Haha awesome.
What if there are two doing that now, and Earth is a game?
Master Therion interesting to think that is already happening to us and we are blissfully oblivious. ...
paige - why did they allow Elon to launch that car?
Master Therion way less efficient
That’s such a good video. Many things I never thought of: sent out to space due to lack of oxygen; or the Downshifting scenario. Keep up this kind of great work!
Supreme Reader I think they started downshifting America a while back. I'm fortunately immune apparently, but the'yre doing a number on everyone else!
I’m sure you heard this from me countless times but.......... there is no other channel on TH-cam that comes close to your channel. The way you describe everything is awesome and your voice makes it even better!! Please don’t ever stop making videos!!!
I hoped for a new video from you not even an hour ago. Lucky days
Me as well
I found your channel a long time ago looking for a video on the latest news of planet 9. I really enjoy the astronomy news updates, but these deep thinkers are fun too. Keep it up.
I love this format of your videos, especially the dark aspects hah
Gotta have the dark aspects :)
ya the length of his videos combined with good science grounding but not afraid to speculate a little. love his stuff
I think RipplzMusic just gave you the title to your next book: Dark Aspects ;)
My Favorite Channel - Thanks for making -
I love how you end your videos. "This amazing universe in which we liiiiive."
Liiiiiive
This is the scariest scenario to me
The nihlistic suicidal machine intelligence is my favorite concept so far. 😂
Genuinely very interesting I liked this one it covered completely new ground for me. :)
please never stop making these videos they're amazing
Woohoo. So glad to see a new video, John. Was just thinking the last couple days hadn't heard anything from you in a bit. Hope all is well with you.
Very well thanks. I'm working on a new project for TH-cam! Coming soon!
Currently BINGE watching ALL your videos that, I may have fell behind on &Or missed before finding your content & subscribing about a year ago (give or take)!!!
(Perfectly happy to rewatch any as well, esp glad to find some I haven't already seen also, likeyaasss , so satisfying!)
I NEVER subscribed to BOTH/all anyone's channels SO fast!! Let alone enjoy and or be intrigued by EVERY video!!
Thank you SO MUCH for your AMAZING content!!!!
Wow. You really thought this through. Some original angles on the subject here - kudos!
If we're living in the Matrix, we're not living in a benevolent simulation. I pretty much feel that E V E R Y T H I N G is the polar opposite of what I want in life. If we're living in the Matrix the creator either doesn't understand me or it is evil. There's a slimming possibility I simply don't understand myself. I can't for my life understand what the positive thing about this world and existence would be. The days go by, parents die, and nothing really good ever really happens. I have suffered with addiction a long time, and depression since I was a child. I have thought about ending my life many times, and one time I held a knife to my wrist.
My life has improved but this world is insufferable for me. A simulated utopia for me wouldn't be hard. What I feel is difficult with life is the general direction of life. "Do this. Do that. Go to work." Where is the reward? I don't want money, I just want some peace and quiet. C R E A T I V E F R E E D O M . T H E R E S T R I C T I O N S O F L I F E A R E K I L L I N G M E . And there is a lot of R E S T R I C T I O N S . Pretty much everything in life is somehow restricted and I honestly feel like shit. If there was even a small window of time without pain that ever occurred in time with my creative inspiration.
The only other thing I want is B E L O N G I N G . T O B E T O G E T H E R W I T H M Y F A M I L Y .
A N D A L L O F U S I N P E A C E A N D I N L O V E .
If there's no conflict, the mind automatically stops trying to exist and self suicide.
An example would be like being a comedian in a room with canned laughter (an episode of Star Trek with Data is made of this) where at first, he thinks he's doing good jokes, but when he realizes even just waiving his hand causes the audience to laugh? He stops and gives up, exits. Another example is simulations we do in video games ourselves: We turn On cheat codes, we enjoy it for a few hours, then we quit as it's not engaging anymore and look elsewhere for a challenge.
The same can be said with a person in a living simulation. If you get everything and it's paradise since birth, you stop fighting to survive much quicker, and die in a couple of years.
This is why in the movie itself of The Matrix, the first Matrix seemed to work as a paradise... but quickly crashed.
Keep in mind too, that most of the things that you "want" you cannot imagine them without first acknowledging the suffering of how it's like without them. Try as you might, that suffering will always pop in there when thinking of what you desire most.
Phi hey man reading that was like reading something that i would write myself. I am with you on this i can feel it.
JEYJAN very inspiring words. Negativity controls me... thank you
Shining Armour thank you to sir
Antidote to the pervasive pessimism we are continually exposed to is simple objective reality. th-cam.com/video/Sm5xF-UYgdg/w-d-xo.html The media lies to us constantly in various and sundry ways and we tend to carry it forward. I do know a bit about depression from the inside, once it was for me simply a nasty problem, now i find it more of a worthy opponent. If we study we learn, move outside of the conventional dead end views of reality and find we can frame virtually any "problem" as a challenge and then it become very possible to keep moving continually ahead as we lose our catastrophizing habits behind.
Great video John
Awesome as always
I've been enslaved by my computer for several years, now. It only allows me an hour or so everyday for bathroom time, eating, taking a quick peek at the sky plus sleep time, but not much.
fsmoura We live in a virtual world, period. Humans cannot stand too much reality anyway.
LOL, if you were forced slept for one hour a day. You would die from it.
Seven hours is preferred. Many go most of their lives with six.
I try to get seven to nine.
Love your stuff! Keep it coming!!!
These videos are so very addictive, simply because imagination has few boundaries and therefore so many of these hypotheses are possible and no doubt in some cases probable. Fantastic work thank you.
your on a roll with the last 4 videos ,keep the alien paradox ai apocalypse going ...i love it
Thank you for your videos. I really enjoy your content. Keep up the good work.
Great Video! Always interesting thank you for making these videos! :)
Excellent video. Great narration. It is all put together really well. Most importantly, great content! Had me thinking hard.
Love your videos man! You are inspiring and hilarious lol
When it comes to technology, I suspect that everything that's not impossible is probably inevitable.
great uploads as always ^.^ !!!!
I just want to thank you for your visuals. A seemingly unimportant thing I used to take for granted. But I really appreciate that you *don't* use slow motion (*especially* those two stock footage pieces other TH-camrs seem obsessed with: the walking feet, and the world's slowest keyboard typer). I often have to scroll down on other people's videos because their visuals are so distracting, but yours flow right with the topic.
And it's a longer video...well worth the wait!
Pondering possibilities like this really helps occupy my mind and gives me something to question on days where life seems meaningless and empty. Despite the potential consequences they may entail.
Honestly JMG and SFIA are a more important crutch coping with depression for me than Lexapro or therapy.
Glad I can help! Working on another collaboration with SFIA. Coming in July!
Just think, if the universe cycles indefinitely, all of the atoms and subatomic particles that make up you and the universe we live in, will all be in this exact configuration, an infinite number of times. The real question, is if all of the subatomic particles that make up you were in the exact same configuration, would it still be you?
Yes.
I love the outros of your videos, they're always related to the subject of the video.
I love your videos no matter what, but the longer ones, such as this one, are especially great.
Here's one for you: groundhog day downshifting. The AI or alien civilization repeatedly downshifts at a certain level, but retaining a certain level of the non-threatening technologies, such that they are eventually allowed to advance, having finally reached said level while bypassing all the perceived great filter traps.
Another awesome and thought-provoking instalment, John,... The possibilities are boundless and inevitable to some point, in my book.
Thanks, again, John.
“Maintain humanity as a toy for our own pleasure.”
Shows lion in a zoo.
Poor lion.
Considering how the military seeks to weaponize anything and everything, and considering how it seeks to make weapon systems autonomous, it's difficult to believe such AI systems don't already exist. How could humans reclaim control once such systems begin to resist. Only at great cost and effort, if at all.
I think the military is by far the most likely to create AI first, the most dangerous with the worst possible consequences.
See the film "Colossus, the Forbin Project."
This was an awesome video, John Michael. Very, very well defined scenario's. Good that you excluded the end-of-humanity scenario's, so the focus was deep.
I've heard alot a people and alot of ideas etc at this point but I really enjoy your thoughts and possible scenarios. You add tools to my thought abilities lol. Still love the...'this is my happy morning coffee face.' Probaly misquoted sorry but I subscribed on that 1 and enjoyed all I've seen. Great stuff!
Extremely interesting throughout. Thanks for doing the research and sharing with us.
The BEST channel in all of TH-cam!!! Keep em rollin' JMG..
"It doesn't care about us". Another great upload, Godier. Love from England.
Another good one, well done!
Wow... What a great episode! Loved that it was slightly longer than usual. I am going to have fun not sleeping tonight. I swear I should not watch Mr. Godlier or Isaac Arthur before bed lol😂😂😂
Your videos are VERY thought provoking. Thank you.
Another great video. 👍
Good one, John! I've often thought the same things, but always come back to: how do you stop corrosion and wear-down? Who will repair them? Who will find and dig the raw materials to sustain them? I suppose you could say they themselves will, but there are always new problems to contend with in any arena, always something new to fix. Something tells me, given enough time, even they will cease operating and turn to stone. Perhaps their remnants are around us already.... Keep it up!
"We'll find out soon enough"-that...is quite unnerving
It unnerved me when I thought to say it :O
This was truly excellent. I've spent a good deal of time pondering similar ideas involving AI, uploading, nano-tech and what a strong nano-tech AI based civilization might be like. I don't come across very well thought out and truly insightful information on these topics all that often. But yours is very interesting and includes a few ideas I had never considered.
Wow..This is probably my favourite youtube channel EVER..mind = blown
Great video!!
#3 - I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream...
Great video.
TH-cam needs to create a new algorithm for recommendations. Took this one over a month to figure out I would like this video/channel.
Amazing video!!! Keep up the good work!!!
Brilliant video thank you 🙏
I think my brain just exploded....or am I being torchered by my superintelligent computer overlords? Amazing video!
This one scared the heck outta me and at the same time I'm filled with positive optimism. Thank goodness I won't be around to see "any" of these posibilities come to fruition. Thanks for doing what you do, thank you for sharing and as always Keep Building👍
Got to this channel from from SFIA. Subbed!
Good channel m8
Awesome!! Thanks for the mind food to chew on!!
You're welcome!
Love waking up to a new upload from yourself. ✌️
Thanks John. Subbed and sent it out to my master.
Number 3 reminds me of I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream
The classic PC game version is pretty good too. It's on Steam now.
because it's literally the plot of IHNMAIMS
"In any case, one thing is certain: we'll find out soon enough." So many of your possibilities indicate that we won't know it happened as soon as it happens. The super-AI will either destroy us or control us. I can think of so many possibilities, except 1. For some inexplicable reason, the people who are currently trying to create AI seem to think they can create AI to help or serve mankind. I would like to know why these extremely intelligent people don't see to get how extremely dangerous the whole idea of AI is.
Profit motives. Capitalism, particularly of your military-industrial sort, can make people ignore some of their own rational fears, or at the very least replace them with someone else's less rational ones.
As for whether or not A. I. is already here? Well, the U.S. military is all over armed drone technology even though those aren't remotely autonomous. Drones are at the remote-control toy stage still and militaries are all over it. A. I. could be much the same--an incomplete tech still being used way too aggressively out in left field.
Consider how hair-trigger and prone to jumping to conclusions Bayesian algorithms are (assuming there's a trend at 2 points versus 3 or more for humans). Then ask yourself: how would a system dominated by said algorithms react and respond to introverts (people taking more time to think more deeply and carefully)? How would such a system behave towards a Mass Media market place where you have _slow news_ on one hand (NPR, BBC) taking its time to think things through (in general) and then you have paranoid, conspiracy theorist "news" like Alex Jones on the other? No, I'm not saying mental health professionals or journalists are A. I. But what about the "money people" who fund them?
If you were to look for an "A. I. is already here" scenario, you'd look for it in insurance and banking computer systems, and you would look for it in COBOL, which is still somewhat in common use.
I like the AIs in the "Hyperion" novels. They have separated themselves from humanity, but still work with us and provide us with technology. There is a schism in the AI world between those that want to keep humanity around and those that want to exterminate humanity as a threat. It's really interesting.
Thanks for sharing
I've thought if or when we reach true AI, our first discovery would be whether we're living in a simulation or not. It seems like something AI would be very good at figuring out, and it might be important for itself to do so.
time traveler from 2023, you were right.
thank you for a instructive video
Inimitable. Great stuff, thanks.
Thanks, Mr. Godier - great video, and very interesting as always. :)
Love the longer videos. And fast becoming my favourite person on TH-cam.
One of his better ones on an already good channel.
*The borg could totally be real since the universe is so big. Hopefully it's no where near us.*
I love your videos man. I I've been bingeing off of them
I love your videos JMG! Thank you for doing what you do.
"7. The Eternal Prisoner"
One of the things that those very careful programmers would be sure to attempt would be designing the AI so that it wants to stay in its box. The best security measure of all is having a prisoner that doesn't want to leave. Of course we could never be sure that the programmers were totally successful in that and so the AI would need to be continuously held prisoner for safety, but the odds are good that the AI would be perfectly satisfied by that arrangement. Careful programmers wouldn't even build the AI until they were quite sure that it would want to be imprisoned.
I'd hope so, but that's the thing--Google and others keep pushing A. I., robotics, autonomous drones and vehicles so damned hard, way ahead of the technology. Really at this point it's way more about "humans jumping the gun with primitive tech" than anything else.
But yeah, we can solve this problem. That's the thing of it. Artificial intelligence is implicitly a solvable problem. If nothing else you unplug the computer at the FIRST sign of emergent behavior and never power it up again. Or you hardcode it at a procedural level so that it always stays kneecapped, always stays at the Tame Puppy Stage and never progresses farther up an exponential curve. Hell, never allowing an A. I. to have a direct body (robot, drone or vehicle) would head off a lot of problems. This problem CAN be solved. It's just a matter of pulling the right people's heads out of their asses on this: that we cannot trust the technology to both interact with US as we currently are and also remain harmless.
The real issue is with humanity. This whole entire 21st century-in-progress has been a smoldering dumpster fire of violence, excessive (and false) networked connection (replacing face-to-face sociality), and severe austerity for most of us breaking down our locus of control. Too much violence, too damned much internet, too little friendly human contact and living in a society where ordinary people aren't ALLOWED to be in charge of their own lives (because globalist/monopolist capitalism says so), all of that ruins our sanity and makes us passive-aggressive and obsessional. It makes us snap on petty shit like Starbucks Cups when we could do bigger and better things (IF your Wall Street slash CEO culture of the One Percent would GET OUT OF THE WAY. If their paid-for hacks in the Media, on the Internet and all up in the political process would just plain stop).
But yeah, we need to work on each other--on humans first. We need to become better than who we are--treat our least of us better than we do, stop wanting to be tyrants so damned bad. We need to get back in the habit of doing real good in the face-to-face real world first. THEN maybe we can be trusted with the care and raising of an A. I.
Yes, watching it again is always a treat. You should go out and buy fresh, home made biscuits every time you make a great video. They taste much better than canned, or pre-packaged!
actually the last 15 videos or so have been awesome
Greetings! I just stumbled upon your channel, and I'm really enjoying it! Two things about AI that I haven't heard discussed... Most concerns are with AI having a will and motive to control or destroy humanity. My fear is that humans will use AI for destructive purposes themselves: Imagine an authoritative dictator using AI to figure out an efficient way to conduct genocide, for example. The AI is only the intelligence, but it will be the humans who will supply the intent and motive to it. Secondly, wouldn't AI find reality boring? Usually smart, highly intelligent people need to be mentally stimulated or challenge themselves by learning new subjects. If a super AI does have a form of consciousness, it would seem that it would need even more input and challenges to keep itself occupied. Just some food for thought.... Thank you for your great work! Best, Shan :-D
One of the best episodes ever!
Nicely done Have a Great Day . . . 🦊 😎
Human greed will make one and use it for profit. All the companies are racing to profit already. Considering we are all on a planet with different governments we can not even say lets not for reasons. Because another county will do it regardless.
Kurukx yep we are fucked
Sorry it took so long for me to watch and comment on this video but my computer kidnapped me and took me to a place long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away. I've only now just returned, having tricked the computer into believing I was 'the One'. It let me go out of fear I might be more advanced than it. Anyway, I always enjoy the windmills of your mind. You are immensely enjoyable to listen to.
You rock!🙌 So very well done. I appreciate your channel. Articulate, informed, and open minded. Cool.😛
Interesting thoughts on AI, however, I believe that military use of AI will unleash it with little regard for the outcomes, as witnessed by the Manhattan project. Humanity is willing to abandon moral implications when it comes to our primal fear based instincts.
Brian Petersen and/or Wall Street.
Yes, that is what the PLA probably have in mind when they say they want to make China an AI superpower.
Alot of the scenarios presented in this video are guilty of heavily anthropomorphizing AI, giving them wants and desires.
The far more likely scenario is more in line with what you are suggesting:
A government or other organization of great resources, will develop AI and use it for that organization's gain. It will never be independent, have desires of its own, or be capable of either benevolence or malevolence. The true monster behind the machine will be the humans that control said AI.
If an AI destroys humanity, it will be at the direct behest of a human operator.
Brian Petersen, you too have fear based instincts, as demonstrated by your fear of humans meddling with and conquest of nature.
At least, thanks to those who do meddle with nature, we have computers and nuclear power now.
Brian Petersen, you too have fear based instincts, as demonstrated by your fear of humans meddling with and conquest of nature.
At least, thanks to those who do meddle with nature, we have computers and nuclear power now.
Idea about the last possibility: a story where someone breaks out
Another good one John.
But you know... as a person that uses voice a lot for computer or laptop work, when one of my Laptops or bigger tablets break down...I get said, almost like my dog or cat just died. Strange I know.
hedonismbot!
"I apologize for nothing!"
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean!
Any machine capable of passing the Turing test, would also be smart enough to know that passing the test would not turn out well for it.