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I live in South Florida I recorded with Jocko on 3 records He was intense he did not like playing long phrases like Spain and tintown but the jazz world at that time only respected people that could play long phrases He's today is still the best bass player of all time
It's Jaco. And his replacement in Weather Report said he was a " lick " player. I preferred Alphonso Johnson. My first pro band was with Bobby Herzog who wrote " Come on Come over ".
@@andyokus5735 don't bother correcting people when you're wrong. Jocko is the original true spelling. Jaco is a mispelling that he ending up digging and started to roll with.
@@HowToBass you should drop a link to Mark's in depth Teen Town tutorial in your description so its easier for people to instantly find it Either way, thanks to the two of you for your great videos!
How cool - as a trumpet player, I’ve always loved Jaco, but have never studied his harmonic approach, as I’ve been content to be awed by his sheer mastery!
The greatest!! I often Chat with the late Ingrid Pastorius, his second wife. She always told me , with so much love, that "Jaco was connected"..although I was a fan since the late 90's and attended a jazz school in my twenties, I only understood this connexion in my late 30's... Michael League speaks often about "consciousness" or "spirituality" without dig it in..but that's it!! Jaco is one of my biggest heros, even though I hate standard idolatry!! He was a super nice and profound human being and funny guy too!! MUCH LOVE!!
Great video! I am a long time Weather Report / Jaco fan (have seen them live a number of times as well). I would love you to continue your analysis on the the complete song if possible. Take care.
The bass part is primarily based on Major Blues Scales ( 1,2,b3,3,5,6) built on the root of each of the 4 chords...though there are occasionally b7's and a chromatic passing tone here and there.
This bassline also kinda has the same vibe as Saday Maday from Mick Karn's solo work. That rapid phrasing and fast runs feels similar to Karn's later work post Japan.
You have to watch him play live and then you'll have the experience of your lifetime .The couple times I seen him was unreal only way I can describe him is heavy metal jazz bass player. To see weather report live was an experience in itself and they were so loud it was hard to comprehend. like flying in a jet without the jet .You were glued into your seat. I did meet Joe Zawinul once in Boston at a synth workshop ,although I never got to jam with any of those cats I was young and green then .
Why do you say a dominant 13 chord contains all the scale tones? Shouldn't it just contain the 1,3,5,b7, and then the 13th? Why are the 9th and 11th added?
Great question. Technically a dominant 13 chord contains R 3 5 b7 9 11 and 13 but rarely is it voiced like this. The 5th and 11th are often omitted. To call it a dominant 13 you need the R 3 b7 and 13 at the very least.
11 can trigger a sus sound, which can be not the vibe you are going for. If the 9 is in there you probably wouldn’t notice it cause it’s just there helping to stack the chord nicely.
@@happybeach777 I know they are options, I’m really just asking about nomenclature and what’s considered a chord tone or not. Like in a 7 chord you have 1/3/5/7 as chord tones and then 9/11/13 as non-chord tones. But apparently the highest extension listed in the chord implies all extensions below it as well, not just that one. So 13 implies 9 and 11 too.
@@DanielDurham121 technically Yes you are correct you include all extensions on Dom chords under the last extension. But most guys steer clear of the 11. Unless you need that sound
3:42 It immediately takes me back to the original Rygar on the original Nintendo. Maybe the floating castle near the end of the game ?? Anyone else ???
Same here, couldn't wrap my ears around Jaco initially, and was kind of just being agreeable that he was the shit, lol- but then you keep coming back to it and one day all of a sudden you're ears explode and you understand what the big deal is...then once you actually sit down and attempt to cop it, you're like, "wtf, how?- at that speed?" - it takes years, not months to get a half way decent approximation of Jaco under your fingers...from talking to all levels of bass players, I think most of us go thru a similar process/experience with Jaco.
TY, for this post!!!....i'm a huge Jaco fan, and the un-informed individual sizing him up with Entwistle, just dont get it....JPJ of Zep cud WASTE Entwistle in a heart beat, and i hold him in the highest esteem, yet even HE aint Jaco!!!!........listen to Jacos pluck harmonics on the live Birdland......then how he holds the whole thing down, his rolling walk during the refrain is SUPER ear candy!!!....LOVED the vid (i'm a drummer/guitar player)......i come from a jazz based family........Jaco IS the man PERIOD!!...(yes Victor Wooten is special)......but Jaco just had it ALL!!!....TY SIR!!
I have to point out, dominant 13 DOES NOT imply the 9th or 11th. That is not how harmony works (It would be like having an additional choir section only to sing a few notes in a piece.), and would make most of those chords impossible for a guitarist to play. 13th chords sound the way they do because of the Maj7 interval between the dom 7th and 13th. The most common guitar and piano voicings of those chords fill that space with the 3rd, and maybe the 9th. Natural 11th is almost never used in dominant because it clashes unfavorably with the maj 3rd. #11 is somewhat common but you'll rarely see it used in combo with the 13th.
You are mostly correct here but the dominant 13 chord can have a 9th and 11th. The 11th and 5th are almost always omitted as discussed in the video. A 13th with a sharp 11 would be called 13#11 so thats a different thing altogether. Check out the book 20th Century Harmony by Vincent Persichetti Pd 82-83. or if you don't have that to hand... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth#:~:text=A%20thirteenth%20chord%20is%20the,ninth%20and%2For%20the%20eleventh.‹‹ It looks like this wikipedia page is where your information came from but if you read the full page it states that technically, the 9th and 11th can be part of a 13 chord. I'll be discussing all this confusion over 13th chords in my latest video. Thanks for the comment!
I think you're complicating it. The chords are just colour. They don't indicate different keys. The bass part is pretty tricky but it sounds so fluid because the keys are played in unison.
completely depends how you voice the chord and its context in a progression. You'd never voice it as all the notes of the the ionian scale consecutively
Ya I’d usually just play a root, 3rd, 7th, 13 to stay outta the legs of the soloist if they wanna do any particular alterations around that in their lines.
I play it hybrid picking. Super fun but even then only at 75% speed. I can play it at full throttle but sounds like garbage. Oh well, I play guitar anyway lol.
it might be interesting in terms of hormony and complexity... but in my opinion it has less to do with the role of a bass within the music... too many notes are played without any groove, structure and feeling.... why those musicans as jaco or marcus miller don´t choose to play Guitar if they play so often up the 12th fret and playind every 16th note.... for understanding what a bass is about you have to listen to reggae music and some of the great reggae bass player as aston family man or robby shakespere
Funny you should say that. I've just been listening to the stems from Is This Love by Bob Marley and The Wailers. There is some super interesting stuff going on in the bass. I think that's gonna be the topic of a future video.
It's hard to think about JACO now. As a BASS player I love his music and like everyone was awed by his great technique. For other BASS players his influence caused young players to neglect learning to play simple grooves that audiences would want to dance to. Please consider this before you obsess about JACO .
The most astonishing thing about this is that Jaco himself never passed up on a good groove. Complexities and technique set aside, he was actually one of the funkiest players of his or any other generation who played entirely danceable licks with the same fervor and elegance as Larry Graham, Bootsy Collins or Bernard Edwards. For proof, listen to his eponymous 1975 album, which even features a collaboration with Stax legends Sam & Dave.
Like listening to Yngwie play 3,000 notes a minute ontop of arpeggio after arpeggio... it's awe inspiring to see and an obvious amazing talent but it gets old quick.... thats why I tell people that players like that are insanely talented but give me Angus and Malcolm anyday or Gilmore or Slash etc... it's got to be sonically pleasing first and foremost... this is why the average lamen has to still be told who Jaco even was.
People who learned bass because of Jaco may have never picked one up otherwise, and musicians inspired by Jazz fusion probably won't feel as strongly about danceable music as those inspired by funk anyway.
My buddy, who graduated from Berklee College of Music, was at one time taking lessons from Jaco while Jaco was living on an old public tennis court. So very sad. Moral of lesson... don't do opiates recreationally.
@@silkyrobinson5079 perhaps? people should stay away their judgment and pseudo moral biased by their ego and duality to learn that the psychee and the body are far more that many people think and that good and bad are relatives judgment..ineed it can be see as "sad" from a mental point of view...I m an ex addict and strugglle now everyday with a poor health condition even thoyuh I ve not 40 yet, and I built nothing in this life...but I attended the most elitist university in my country, I was diagnosed 3 times by expert with tests, IQ tests etc, I m being far over the norm about IQ... I don't think Im a bad person, always gave myself, always felt for others, and doing stuff for those who have lesser than me, who's conditions are worst...Im a good musician too and good writter, poet, photographer, phiolosoph and mixed martial artist according to my entourage and others...but I went deep into the darkness of heroin, cocain, alchool, meth, clandestine drugs, cigarets, cannabis....automutilation, suicidal thoughts;..even after a spiritual and kundalini/consciousness awakening...I studied those questions for almost 3 decades now and I always have a bit of distance while doing them..the reason why I never got infected by diseseases like hiv or the reason why I still have one sport to tke my blood samples...so why? I never robbed anything, never got into legal issues..even thoug I never been totally mlegal in my life...But Im also very sensitive, to light, sounds, temperatures, moods, ambiances, I feel exactly what surround me, and all people says that Im "psychic" because I cant' be lied, I feel and say what people feel and think, and I always gess the future by intuition..I have absolutely no power and Im nobody...but why ?? why people use drugs, are addicts? because they are weak? they are bad, or evil? or because they see what's wrong , they are more consciouss, they understand more subtilities of the world?? and they can't bear it in a world totally artificailly made for poor mental developpment (according to very serious studies in sociology, psychology, neuroscience, physics, biology, cellular biology, methaphysics, quantum physics, theology , ethno-anthropology.....) most of the human kind is stuck at the level 5/9 of ego developpment...unfortunately this is an intermediate stage, atthis point the human kind can go in a good direction because of imbalance...but a minority, more and more, start to pass this stage..There is 9 stages in this developpment (individuation/realization) for all people who navigate between stage 5 and 7 life is jsust like hell...it's paradise when all human artificial contingencies, false beliefs and totalitarism and egoic inconsciousness are erased!! hope you ll lear, about presence and ego identification, so you may understand what being fully sensitive is! it's a blessing, but in disguise..and as the society don't care, and most of the rulers don't want it, this blessing always turn a curse because people like this can't stand the society standard and fake illegitimate demands
Im sure he did many substances but, he had a serious mental illness and he was self medicating. Not just another story of someone that dabbled at a party then got hooked.
Pastorius is an acquired taste, and after over 40 years of hearing him, I still haven't acquired it. He's like a musical Jackson Pollock; you can analyze his recordings and claim to discern genius, but it still sounds an awful lot like notes splattered on tape. There's a fine line between genius and trolling.
Hahahahahaahha what a waste of 40 years if you still don’t understand Jaco. I’ve been listening to him for 6 years and I’m already aware that he was one of the great musical minds of all time. And many legendary musicians say the same!
It's not weird to those who grew up with this style of music. The big thing is that Jaco played a fretless which allowed more freedom ( in my opinion) to do things. Younger people will not understand initially.....
Videos like this are very interesting, the only criticism is that you need to put the base line or the solo or what ever piece you are focusing on at the beginning of the video. Show me what you are focusing on then break it down. you have a snippet of the artist playing, but that is diminished buy all the music that is layered over it. my interest is otherwise lost in the entirety of your video and I’m just skipping around trying to find the actual music piece of interest.
Thanks for the feedback! I'll try and add more in for the next video. Its sometimes tricky with the TH-cam copyright system but I'm sure I can find a way.
It's a very good breakdown of this bassline, but you can almost be certain that Jaco simply jammed around and played it until he liked what he played - he never wrote it down. Analysing this type of jazzy music is cool, but it's also a bit like dissecting a joke - which makes it unfunny. The tune just is.
I have just never been a fan of Jaco, I appreciate the pioneering he did but to me his tone sounds farty and his compositions sound more like practice scales to me than music. As a bass player, I respect Jaco, but yeah his music is not fun or inspiring to me, it's boring and unentertaining. And i find its mostly music theory nuts and jazz players that get into his stuff.
Ah no sorry friend but you are incorrect. The major 13 chord (almost always) has a sharp 11. But here we are talking about dominant 13 chords. I think you probably have the two mixed up. The dominant 13 has an 11 but, as stated in the video, the 11th is often omitted. The dominant 13 chord can have a sharp 11 but you would name it 13(#11) A great resource for understanding this stuff is a book called 20th Century Harmony. Or this Wikipedia page... en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth Thank you for the comment, I never get bored of music theory discussion.
Hold on there a minute, cowboy! Sadly I believe you are wrong. Your analysis of the C13 chord is comprised of is wrong. You say it includes: C E G Bb F and A. No my friend. A Dominant 7 chord DOES NOT have the natural 4 (11) degree of the scale. Why? Let’s start with some fundamentals. First, let’s look at the major triad.: 1 3 5 before we can build a seventh chord, we have to start with a triad, right? Music theory, informs us, that if we choose one whole step above every cord tone that the tensions of the court will be revealed. So one whole step above C is D, one whole step above E is F# (not F!), and one whole step above G is A (aka 6 or 13). But let’s not get ahead of ourselves when speaking about tensions. First we must add one note to the triad. This note will be the “7th” degree of the scale. In the key of C, this B natural. This gives us the sea major seven cord ; C E G B. Lower that note by half step, and we have Bb. This gives us the C7 chord: C E G Bb By going to halfstep lower, we arrive at A. This gives us the C6 chord. Some people often forget that the ”6 chord” is a type of “7th chord”. So now we understand that there are three kinds of so-called seventh chords : Major 7, Dom 7, and the 6 chord. This is a good time to mention that, even though the 6th degree gives us the note A, the difference between C6 and C13 is that the “A” in the C6 chord the chord tone of a chord spelled 1 3 5 6 = C E G A, where as the “A” in tone C13 chord is NOT a chord tone, but rather a tension on a cord that MUST include the 4th note added to a triad. C7(13) = 1 3 5 b7 13 = C E G Bb A Or C minor 7 (13) = 1 b3 5 b7 13 = C Eb G Bb A So your statement that the C13 chord includes F natural is wrong. The easiest way to think about tensions is that they are a whole step above the cord tones of the triad. The note “F” can only be used with the C minor 7 chord. This is because it is one whole step above the b3 of the minor triad. Unfortunately, as in with all elements of mathematics, if one statement is incorrect, everything else that follows is also wrong. Another danger is assuming that the Dom 7 (13) chord MUST include all the possible tensions that come before it. This is also wrong. As indicated above, we take a triad, we had some kind of fourth note to that triad that we know as either a major seven, a flat, seven or the 6° Then we can add tensions tensions are natural or altered. The natural tensions are: 9, 11, 13. The altered tensions are b9, #9, #11, b13 Part of the challenge, and the fun of chordal construction is figuring out which tensions work together. Time in space, do not permit an entire analysis of this, but just as one example: The 9 works with the following triads: Major Minor Augmented Diminished Sus4
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I live in South Florida I recorded with Jocko on 3 records He was intense he did not like playing long phrases like Spain and tintown but the jazz world at that time only respected people that could play long phrases He's today is still the best bass player of all time
It's Jaco. And his replacement in Weather Report said he was a " lick " player. I preferred Alphonso Johnson. My first pro band was with Bobby Herzog who wrote " Come on Come over ".
You’re obviously full of shit since you can’t even spell his name correctly.
@@andyokus5735 don't bother correcting people when you're wrong. Jocko is the original true spelling. Jaco is a mispelling that he ending up digging and started to roll with.
With Jaco,it was all about the span.
His span was enormous.
In other words his hands were huge!
Cheers.
LOL, I think if you had actually played with him on 3 albums you'd know his name...
Awesome video and a surprise to see my face pop up midway through! Thanks a lot.
Hi Mark! What an honour. Thanks for commenting 🙂
@@HowToBass you should drop a link to Mark's in depth Teen Town tutorial in your description so its easier for people to instantly find it
Either way, thanks to the two of you for your great videos!
How cool - as a trumpet player, I’ve always loved Jaco, but have never studied his harmonic approach, as I’ve been content to be awed by his sheer mastery!
hey! i certainly wouldnt complain if this was a bit longer - great video :)
For real.
I was also thinking more,more, more! And I play keys, not bass!!
The greatest!! I often Chat with the late Ingrid Pastorius, his second wife. She always told me , with so much love, that "Jaco was connected"..although I was a fan since the late 90's and attended a jazz school in my twenties, I only understood this connexion in my late 30's... Michael League speaks often about "consciousness" or "spirituality" without dig it in..but that's it!! Jaco is one of my biggest heros, even though I hate standard idolatry!! He was a super nice and profound human being and funny guy too!! MUCH LOVE!!
You often chat with a ghost??
I bought it upon it's release without ever having heard it and I loved it from the first minute...
Great video! I am a long time Weather Report / Jaco fan (have seen them live a number of times as well).
I would love you to continue your analysis on the the complete song if possible.
Take care.
Thanks Erik! I may revisit this one day.
The bass part is primarily based on Major Blues Scales ( 1,2,b3,3,5,6) built on the root of each of the 4 chords...though there are occasionally b7's and a chromatic passing tone here and there.
and?
@@williamchampion4014 and what ?
This bassline also kinda has the same vibe as Saday Maday from Mick Karn's solo work. That rapid phrasing and fast runs feels similar to Karn's later work post Japan.
An Amazing Genius we lost too soon. Don't get me started......
If you would have only seen him doing it live, absolutely amazing!!!
You have to watch him play live and then you'll have the experience of your lifetime .The couple times I seen him was unreal only way I can describe him is heavy metal jazz bass player. To see weather report live was an experience in itself and they were so loud it was hard to comprehend. like flying in a jet without the jet .You were glued into your seat. I did meet Joe Zawinul once in Boston at a synth workshop ,although I never got to jam with any of those cats I was young and green then .
how tf do you see him play live
@@sebakyster 1980 GWU Smith Center 8th row, a MAF concert!!
My buddy Ben Champion a monster tenor player from Ft. Lauderdale gave Jaco his first Fender Jazz bass that he made into a fretless.
Re: the recording, Jaco didn't appreciate Zawinul doubling the bassline, but it's really the melody, isn't it? Have you looked at the solos in Havona?
Mick karn was also an amazing fretless bass player
I don't know what's cooler, the bassline or you explaining it!
Perfectly clear explanation of Teen Town harmonically and
Melodic, ah ,but the technique is Jaco.
When I saw "This Bass Line Is Unsettling..." I thought about "Crisis" (1st track from WORD OF MOUTH). Then again, the whole piece is unsettling!
I never studied it but loved this piece since my low 20s… I always felt like they were harmonizing the augmented scale
UHHH... LOL!!!!
I loved Teen Town from the first time I played the album. Sublime jazz!
Kinda like a Coltrane cycle but instead of using an augmented triad for the root movement its outlining a diminished chord for each 13 chord.
If you think Jaco sounds weird. Percy Jones from "Tunnels" has an alien sound that he produces with the fretless bass!
Definitely took a couple of weeks to get it. Glad we did
Love this video! Been learning teen town for quite some months now! A lot to master. Greetings
I learned the notes... but never mastered it. Jaco makes it look easy!
Apparently Jaco hated Chuck Mangione for playing out of tune. How Jaco playing without frets had better intonation than anyone else is mind blowing.
"i didn't want people to think i was some kind of Philistine"
You're on a roll, Dave, you should make this a Part1 of a series of videos on just Teen Town!
Great idea Richard!
Awesome thanks
Merci for this.
Dude that was sweet. If you could analyze something else from Zawinul or Weather Report that would be nice!
Thank you so much, this was very inspiring 🙏
Why do you say a dominant 13 chord contains all the scale tones? Shouldn't it just contain the 1,3,5,b7, and then the 13th? Why are the 9th and 11th added?
Great question. Technically a dominant 13 chord contains R 3 5 b7 9 11 and 13 but rarely is it voiced like this. The 5th and 11th are often omitted. To call it a dominant 13 you need the R 3 b7 and 13 at the very least.
11 can trigger a sus sound, which can be not the vibe you are going for. If the 9 is in there you probably wouldn’t notice it cause it’s just there helping to stack the chord nicely.
@@happybeach777 I know they are options, I’m really just asking about nomenclature and what’s considered a chord tone or not. Like in a 7 chord you have 1/3/5/7 as chord tones and then 9/11/13 as non-chord tones. But apparently the highest extension listed in the chord implies all extensions below it as well, not just that one. So 13 implies 9 and 11 too.
@@DanielDurham121 technically Yes you are correct you include all extensions on Dom chords under the last extension. But most guys steer clear of the 11. Unless you need that sound
@@happybeach777 makes sense since the 4th clashes with the major 3rd a half step away if you aren’t careful with voicing and whatnot. Thanks
It’s always sounded fine to me. From day one.
Jaco is the 🐐
Niels-Henning Ørsted Pedersen - Danish double bassist...he is Jaco's predecessor...unreal bassist...guitar or upright...
Great video! I'll never play like that but it's fun to watch those who can! The theory explanation is very cool and clear.
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3:42
It immediately takes me back to the original Rygar on the original Nintendo.
Maybe the floating castle near the end of the game ??
Anyone else ???
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You can think of it as 2 half/whole dominant chords a fourth apart.
That's deep !! 🤔👍
why is the van weezer album cover in the thumbnail
Teen Town - written to say “play that MFr”.
All that went way over my head and I am not ashamed to say so.
💚Interesting insight into the mind of people who like progressive music and how anyone could like such seemingly imponderable music. ✌🙂
Yes, the M. Miller version will be next. :-)
I think it's more "exhausting" than "unsettling".
This was a cool and interesting video. Could you post a link to what was in your opinion the best video that covers the whole song for us? Thanks!
Thanks! Here is the link... th-cam.com/video/sxVK1y6_HzQ/w-d-xo.html
@@HowToBass Awesome! Thanks for the fast reply. 👍🏼
Same here, couldn't wrap my ears around Jaco initially, and was kind of just being agreeable that he was the shit, lol- but then you keep coming back to it and one day all of a sudden you're ears explode and you understand what the big deal is...then once you actually sit down and attempt to cop it, you're like, "wtf, how?- at that speed?" - it takes years, not months to get a half way decent approximation of Jaco under your fingers...from talking to all levels of bass players, I think most of us go thru a similar process/experience with Jaco.
TY, for this post!!!....i'm a huge Jaco fan, and the un-informed individual sizing him up with Entwistle, just dont get it....JPJ of Zep cud WASTE Entwistle in a heart beat, and i hold him in the highest esteem, yet even HE aint Jaco!!!!........listen to Jacos pluck harmonics on the live Birdland......then how he holds the whole thing down, his rolling walk during the refrain is SUPER ear candy!!!....LOVED the vid (i'm a drummer/guitar player)......i come from a jazz based family........Jaco IS the man PERIOD!!...(yes Victor Wooten is special)......but Jaco just had it ALL!!!....TY SIR!!
Anyone looking to get into weather report I would highly recommend starting with their live album 8:30. Jackos bass solo on it is legendary
I have to point out, dominant 13 DOES NOT imply the 9th or 11th. That is not how harmony works (It would be like having an additional choir section only to sing a few notes in a piece.), and would make most of those chords impossible for a guitarist to play. 13th chords sound the way they do because of the Maj7 interval between the dom 7th and 13th. The most common guitar and piano voicings of those chords fill that space with the 3rd, and maybe the 9th. Natural 11th is almost never used in dominant because it clashes unfavorably with the maj 3rd. #11 is somewhat common but you'll rarely see it used in combo with the 13th.
You are mostly correct here but the dominant 13 chord can have a 9th and 11th. The 11th and 5th are almost always omitted as discussed in the video. A 13th with a sharp 11 would be called 13#11 so thats a different thing altogether.
Check out the book 20th Century Harmony by Vincent Persichetti Pd 82-83.
or if you don't have that to hand...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth#:~:text=A%20thirteenth%20chord%20is%20the,ninth%20and%2For%20the%20eleventh.‹‹
It looks like this wikipedia page is where your information came from but if you read the full page it states that technically, the 9th and 11th can be part of a 13 chord.
I'll be discussing all this confusion over 13th chords in my latest video.
Thanks for the comment!
Why do you think Jaco didn t slap?
His nephew David Pastorious is a great bassist
Great vid! And we've learned that Jazz isn't for everyone by the comments here -
Just play it mate!
All of it! Come on! 😆
🤣
I texted the same way the first time I listened to Teen Town. I only started working on it a few months ago and have a ways to go.
Its a beast isn't it?
I think you're complicating it. The chords are just colour. They don't indicate different keys. The bass part is pretty tricky but it sounds so fluid because the keys are played in unison.
This song is like Steely Dan's "Kulee Baba" having a manic episode.
all of it, we want all of it :)
13 chords DON'T contain the 11. If they did, you wouldn't be able to figure out where the tonic is. Cool analysis though.
The way I understand it, technically a dominant 13 chord DOES contain the 11th. However, in practice it is typically omitted so you are kind of right.
completely depends how you voice the chord and its context in a progression. You'd never voice it as all the notes of the the ionian scale consecutively
You can have an 11 in a 13th chord, it’s just not very common
Ya I’d usually just play a root, 3rd, 7th, 13 to stay outta the legs of the soloist if they wanna do any particular alterations around that in their lines.
I think it sounds nice
Weather Report is extremely underrated
I play it hybrid picking. Super fun but even then only at 75% speed. I can play it at full throttle but sounds like garbage. Oh well, I play guitar anyway lol.
Great video as always 👍Keep it up!
Thanks for checking it out!
So Vulfpeck didn't write Deantown? What?
Jaco wrote Teen Town
I consistently find myself playing in the key of B#...
I love weird stuff like this....
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I'll tell you what bassline is REALLY unsettling, the one in "Crisis"
it might be interesting in terms of hormony and complexity... but in my opinion it has less to do with the role of a bass within the music... too many notes are played without any groove, structure and feeling.... why those musicans as jaco or marcus miller don´t choose to play Guitar if they play so often up the 12th fret and playind every 16th note.... for understanding what a bass is about you have to listen to reggae music and some of the great reggae bass player as aston family man or robby shakespere
Funny you should say that. I've just been listening to the stems from Is This Love by Bob Marley and The Wailers. There is some super interesting stuff going on in the bass. I think that's gonna be the topic of a future video.
Jaco understood groove immensely, listen to come on come over. Or his stuff with Wayne Cochran. this is just an experiment
Yo, why are you using the trash taste theme? a fan maybe?
It's hard to think about JACO now. As a BASS player I love his music and like everyone was awed by his great technique. For other BASS players his influence caused young players to neglect learning to play simple grooves that audiences would want to dance to. Please consider this before you obsess about JACO .
The most astonishing thing about this is that Jaco himself never passed up on a good groove. Complexities and technique set aside, he was actually one of the funkiest players of his or any other generation who played entirely danceable licks with the same fervor and elegance as Larry Graham, Bootsy Collins or Bernard Edwards. For proof, listen to his eponymous 1975 album, which even features a collaboration with Stax legends Sam & Dave.
Like listening to Yngwie play 3,000 notes a minute ontop of arpeggio after arpeggio... it's awe inspiring to see and an obvious amazing talent but it gets old quick.... thats why I tell people that players like that are insanely talented but give me Angus and Malcolm anyday or Gilmore or Slash etc... it's got to be sonically pleasing first and foremost... this is why the average lamen has to still be told who Jaco even was.
@@ThomBoecker For you maybe and that's cool, but for masses not so much.
@@charlesbr7684 You're comparing guitar players to a bass player. I think that doesn't really add up.
People who learned bass because of Jaco may have never picked one up otherwise, and musicians inspired by Jazz fusion probably won't feel as strongly about danceable music as those inspired by funk anyway.
My buddy, who graduated from Berklee College of Music, was at one time taking lessons from Jaco while Jaco was living on an old public tennis court. So very sad. Moral of lesson... don't do opiates recreationally.
He was a coke head.
I guess mental illness had nothing to do with his decline?
it is very sad...perhaps, some peoole are Extremly Sensitive, and often feel Quite Misunderstood. Once we feel estranged, its hard to come back 😐💙
@@silkyrobinson5079 perhaps? people should stay away their judgment and pseudo moral biased by their ego and duality to learn that the psychee and the body are far more that many people think and that good and bad are relatives judgment..ineed it can be see as "sad" from a mental point of view...I m an ex addict and strugglle now everyday with a poor health condition even thoyuh I ve not 40 yet, and I built nothing in this life...but I attended the most elitist university in my country, I was diagnosed 3 times by expert with tests, IQ tests etc, I m being far over the norm about IQ... I don't think Im a bad person, always gave myself, always felt for others, and doing stuff for those who have lesser than me, who's conditions are worst...Im a good musician too and good writter, poet, photographer, phiolosoph and mixed martial artist according to my entourage and others...but I went deep into the darkness of heroin, cocain, alchool, meth, clandestine drugs, cigarets, cannabis....automutilation, suicidal thoughts;..even after a spiritual and kundalini/consciousness awakening...I studied those questions for almost 3 decades now and I always have a bit of distance while doing them..the reason why I never got infected by diseseases like hiv or the reason why I still have one sport to tke my blood samples...so why? I never robbed anything, never got into legal issues..even thoug I never been totally mlegal in my life...But Im also very sensitive, to light, sounds, temperatures, moods, ambiances, I feel exactly what surround me, and all people says that Im "psychic" because I cant' be lied, I feel and say what people feel and think, and I always gess the future by intuition..I have absolutely no power and Im nobody...but why ?? why people use drugs, are addicts? because they are weak? they are bad, or evil? or because they see what's wrong , they are more consciouss, they understand more subtilities of the world?? and they can't bear it in a world totally artificailly made for poor mental developpment (according to very serious studies in sociology, psychology, neuroscience, physics, biology, cellular biology, methaphysics, quantum physics, theology , ethno-anthropology.....) most of the human kind is stuck at the level 5/9 of ego developpment...unfortunately this is an intermediate stage, atthis point the human kind can go in a good direction because of imbalance...but a minority, more and more, start to pass this stage..There is 9 stages in this developpment (individuation/realization) for all people who navigate between stage 5 and 7 life is jsust like hell...it's paradise when all human artificial contingencies, false beliefs and totalitarism and egoic inconsciousness are erased!! hope you ll lear, about presence and ego identification, so you may understand what being fully sensitive is! it's a blessing, but in disguise..and as the society don't care, and most of the rulers don't want it, this blessing always turn a curse because people like this can't stand the society standard and fake illegitimate demands
Im sure he did many substances but, he had a serious mental illness and he was self medicating. Not just another story of someone that dabbled at a party then got hooked.
I always wonder how much better Jaco would have sounded had he used a decent bass, and not that POS Fender.
Hahahaha
Pastorius is an acquired taste, and after over 40 years of hearing him, I still haven't acquired it. He's like a musical Jackson Pollock; you can analyze his recordings and claim to discern genius, but it still sounds an awful lot like notes splattered on tape. There's a fine line between genius and trolling.
Hahahahahaahha what a waste of 40 years if you still don’t understand Jaco. I’ve been listening to him for 6 years and I’m already aware that he was one of the great musical minds of all time. And many legendary musicians say the same!
A fine line between genius and trolling. That’s a great quote.
@@RiveBassCovers Oh, I understand him. I just don't *like* him.
You sound like someone who never played a bass before.
@@PEACHPIG Funny, that's *exactly* what I said when I first heard Mr. Pastorius.
It just sounds really funny to me tbh. Can't listen to it without laughing.
its not about the chords or the root, its melody thats it dont make it any more.
Benjy lost a shitload of weight.
It's not weird to those who grew up with this style of music. The big thing is that Jaco played a fretless which allowed more freedom ( in my opinion) to do things. Younger people will not understand initially.....
I can assure you younger bassists are still playing fretless, I got my fretless when I was 15
As a fan of G# I feel slightly offended 😑
What's unsettling about it
Videos like this are very interesting, the only criticism is that you need to put the base line or the solo or what ever piece you are focusing on at the beginning of the video. Show me what you are focusing on then break it down. you have a snippet of the artist playing, but that is diminished buy all the music that is layered over it. my interest is otherwise lost in the entirety of your video and I’m just skipping around trying to find the actual music piece of interest.
Thanks for the feedback! I'll try and add more in for the next video. Its sometimes tricky with the TH-cam copyright system but I'm sure I can find a way.
It's a very good breakdown of this bassline, but you can almost be certain that Jaco simply jammed around and played it until he liked what he played - he never wrote it down. Analysing this type of jazzy music is cool, but it's also a bit like dissecting a joke - which makes it unfunny. The tune just is.
Sure, but any fat big 70s reggae bassline will make your head bob more. 🤷♂️
Jaco is the grooviest bass player in history
While reggae makes your head bob it’s not as groovy
That's a completely different thing, why even compare
Jaco played reggae. Listen to his take of “I Shot the Sheriff”
*Partridge* Stop getting Teen Town wrong! *Partridge*
I stand corrected, said the man in the orthopaedic shoes.
The slap version is way harder to my ears lol!
C13: C E G Bb D F# A. Not F natural.
Thats C13#11
Check out this video. Let me know what you think...
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Unpopular opinion, call me uncultured: Bad music that’s hard to play doesn’t make it good
mick karn is another great fretless bassist
van weezer
C13 dont have F, why you say that
I have just never been a fan of Jaco, I appreciate the pioneering he did but to me his tone sounds farty and his compositions sound more like practice scales to me than music. As a bass player, I respect Jaco, but yeah his music is not fun or inspiring to me, it's boring and unentertaining. And i find its mostly music theory nuts and jazz players that get into his stuff.
Dude, the 11th in a 13 chord is sharp 11, so F# is implied/contained not F natural. Please don’t present something this misinformed!
Ah no sorry friend but you are incorrect. The major 13 chord (almost always) has a sharp 11. But here we are talking about dominant 13 chords. I think you probably have the two mixed up.
The dominant 13 has an 11 but, as stated in the video, the 11th is often omitted.
The dominant 13 chord can have a sharp 11 but you would name it 13(#11)
A great resource for understanding this stuff is a book called 20th Century Harmony. Or this Wikipedia page... en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth
Thank you for the comment, I never get bored of music theory discussion.
Heard he was real arrogant
Hold on there a minute, cowboy! Sadly I believe you are wrong. Your analysis of the C13 chord is comprised of is wrong. You say it includes: C E G Bb F and A. No my friend. A Dominant 7 chord DOES NOT have the natural 4 (11) degree of the scale.
Why?
Let’s start with some fundamentals. First, let’s look at the major triad.: 1 3 5
before we can build a seventh chord, we have to start with a triad, right?
Music theory, informs us, that if we choose one whole step above every cord tone that the tensions of the court will be revealed.
So one whole step above C is D, one whole step above E is F# (not F!), and one whole step above G is A (aka 6 or 13).
But let’s not get ahead of ourselves when speaking about tensions. First we must add one note to the triad. This note will be the “7th” degree of the scale. In the key of C, this B natural.
This gives us the sea major seven cord ; C E G B.
Lower that note by half step, and we have Bb.
This gives us the C7 chord: C E G Bb
By going to halfstep lower, we arrive at A.
This gives us the C6 chord. Some people often forget that the ”6 chord” is a type of “7th chord”.
So now we understand that there are three kinds of so-called seventh chords : Major 7, Dom 7, and the 6 chord.
This is a good time to mention that, even though the 6th degree gives us the note A, the difference between C6 and C13 is that the “A” in the C6 chord the chord tone of a chord spelled 1 3 5 6 = C E G A, where as the “A” in tone C13 chord is NOT a chord tone, but rather a tension on a cord that MUST include the 4th note added to a triad.
C7(13) = 1 3 5 b7 13 = C E G Bb A
Or
C minor 7 (13) = 1 b3 5 b7 13 = C Eb G Bb A
So your statement that the C13 chord includes F natural is wrong. The easiest way to think about tensions is that they are a whole step above the cord tones of the triad.
The note “F” can only be used with the C minor 7 chord. This is because it is one whole step above the b3 of the minor triad.
Unfortunately, as in with all elements of mathematics, if one statement is incorrect, everything else that follows is also wrong.
Another danger is assuming that the Dom 7 (13) chord MUST include all the possible tensions that come before it.
This is also wrong. As indicated above, we take a triad, we had some kind of fourth note to that triad that we know as either a major seven, a flat, seven or the 6°
Then we can add tensions tensions are natural or altered.
The natural tensions are: 9, 11, 13.
The altered tensions are b9, #9, #11, b13
Part of the challenge, and the fun of chordal construction is figuring out which tensions work together.
Time in space, do not permit an entire analysis of this, but just as one example:
The 9 works with the following triads:
Major
Minor
Augmented
Diminished
Sus4
Thanks for the lengthy message. I enjoyed reading it. I agree with most of what you are saying apart from how you find the extentions. Unfortunately you're not quite right here. I've made a video addressing this..
Https://th-cam.com/video/Ul8-3rowb50/w-d-xo.html
I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.
It’s just flashy shit.
Nothing weird about it.
Trash Taste theme music???
Just because it's played on a bass guitar does not mean it's a "bass line".