I love how badass not just this ship apparently but also French ship voice is. Huge respect for ur build. Just got a chief but your vid is making me question my decision.
My second favorite ship after the T10. I run 1 L MC 2 M MC (1 corrosive) and 3 S Railguns on the small hard points. Usually I can’t use fixed weapons but the convergence is so good on the C-Series ships!
Thank you for sharing this build in the description! I just now bought one. Exchanged my transporter 7 and some credits for it before watching this video. Now I know I’m in good hands for combat. Thanks again! o7
I've got one with a cannon build. High damage level 3 engineered cannons. Melts ships quick fast and in a hurry. I don't see many people using cannons though. They kill faster than most of my other builds, minus maybe my double shot frag build. Just gotta get used to the slower projectile speed and time it right. Occasionally you get some crazy 1 shot hull hits on ships.
I use cannons on quite a few of my ships. I agree with everything you've said. My Corvette has two class 4 fixed cannons strapped to her back, firing gigantic shells to put very large holes in things. For module destruction they are top tier weapons. I like to run 3 fixed class 1 cannons on my Chieftain. To say they're small weapons, they can still take out a powerplant, and ship, in a couple of salvos. My Chieftain Gunship video is an example of them at work.
Class 3 and 1 long-range thermal vent fixed beam lasers in the top center-line hardpoints w/ two class 1 overcharged caustic gimballed multi-cannons in the left and right hardpoints works very well when used in separate firegroups for hull and armor, and that leaves the top and bottom size 2 slot for hi-cap heatseeker missiles w/ drag munitions. Paired w/ a fixed-beam taipan or GU-97, that build can very effectively strip shielding, then the multi-cannons and missiles can sub-target drives. Fixed beams have a decent amount of armor-penetration and will let you make quick work of the power plant once you've immobilized your enemy. This is a versatile build that I recommend for conflict-zones.
The Crusader saved my continued gameplay in Elite early on. I was slowly working my way up, trading in ship for ship, got myself a Krait Mk II, was having an okay time even though I couldn't afford to A grade everything, then I made the mistake of trading it in for an Anaconda without the filthy lucre to fit it out proper. Got it destroyed once when I almost had not enough to cover insurance, freaked out a bit at the prospect of losing everything I worked for, then determined to trade it in for something I could kit out to A grade with the funding. Alliance Crusader was my choice, and for a good long time, life became easy in Elite. Got that Anaconda again now, but being 1200 hours into the game, she's fitted right and purring, but damn, I can't say I'd ever have reached this point if not for the Crusader.
As someone who loves the underdog ships (Crusader, Clipper), and who uses both the Chieftain and the Crusader, i can add the following to the convo: 1) Chief and Crusader share most module slots, so it is easy to swap between them; 2) Crusader is fun to fly, especially with the fighter, but: - it is slower and less manuverable than the Chieftain; - it has less overall damage unless the fighter hits consistently with no significant downtime (like it being destroyed). Both of these causes the Crusader to underachieve compared to the chieftain in combat. That slower kill-farm CAN hurt in a higher level Combat Zone, especially if you are trying to influence a certain faction with it (it takes more time to complete the same amount of CZs). That being said, i love the design of the Crusader, i just wish they would balance it's performance better.
@Kaethena Thank you a lot for awesome video. I'm kind of new to the game, but was lucky to spend some time already. Can you please suggest a build for these ship without engineers? I already bought it and i want to fly multicrew mode with two of my friends, however i just started to do my engineers. Please give advice on the build without engineers for the beginner ))
When you say unengineered, do you also mean without any Guardian unlocks? Because that will change how you build the ships a lot, outside of any engineering. And are you also talking about the Crusader specifically or another ship you want to fly?
People such as TheYamiks and The Pilot do make good points why the Crusader is not that good of a ship. I think the ship's full potential can only be used as a party boat, load up two buddies with you and launch two fighters, and use the Crusader's excellent maneuverability, you have a wolf pack tearing into your prey. In a sense, It is a light carrier. Myself, I use the Chieftain as my go to combat ship, its maneuverability and heavy firepower is appealing to me. I use that ship as an oversized fighter because I do like getting behind my enemy's 6 and tearing into them or thrusting sideways to force them to overshoot. I don't think to much of the Challenger because of it weapon placement which is not that good for leading compared to the Chieftain.
Sorry it's taken me a while to get back to you. I agree with most of the things you've said, although I don't think you can really call a ship "Good" or "Bad". It's entirely subjective. Personally, I really, really don't like the Corvette. Even though I'm in the minority. It isn't a bad ship, it just doesn't suit me. I think the same is true with the Crusader. Either you get it or you don't. If you don't, that's okay.
@@Kaethena I never did say it was a bad ship. Because of the ship’s lack of fire power and maneuverability compared to Chieftain and the fact I usually fly alone I figured that would be best if I stuck with the Chieftain. If I could launch two fighters on my own, I’d take it. I’d get it down the road for when I want to do multi crew and want to fly around in my Chieftain.
@@Soundwave142 Actually you can launch 2 fighthers alone not with a friend multicrew... but with AI pilots ! This way the enemy AIs are destracted most of the time with the 2 tiny ai fighters and you have easy time to destroy your target! The Crusader for PVE combat its way better than the Chieftain , because the enemy AI is so Dumb to attack the smaller 2 fighters they dont engage you 90% of the battle you dont recive damage at all!
Thermal Vent experimental on the lasers. It acts like a heatsink. When you hit your target, it drops the heat of your ship, at the cost of generating more heat when you miss. Which basically means don't keep spamming them when your target uses Chaff. Also the lasers use the Efficient Weapon modification, which lowers the thermal load, as well as the distributor and power draw of the weapon, while providing a slight damage increase. Although the thing about Thermal Vent is that how well it works is based on how much heat the lasers generate. The hotter your ship would normally get, the faster they cool it down. Meaning if you use a Short Range modification on the beams, which would normally be like blowtorching your own face off, adding the Thermal Vent experimental and hitting your target will drop your heat to zero in mere seconds. Way faster than a heatsink does. One other thing to note is that the efficacy of Thermal Vent also depends on the Heat Efficiency of your Power Plant. A plant with a better HE will sink the heat faster than a Grade 5 Overcharged one will.
@@Kaethena Oh my, that’s crazy! I guess I gotta get those mods, heat generations has always been a problem for me across all of my beam laser loadouts. Getting better and better every day with my Cheiftan at controlling the heat but I’ve always felt that I could do a lot more damage if I didn’t have to stop shooting to cool down. Thank you! :)
@@myfavebandLP12 biggest error of most ppl is to use thrusters with overcharge and drag u get like +60% heat other one give u 24% more speed and -60% heat so -120% heat in total for 16% speed loose
It's an Alliance military ship so its primary use is combat. It doesn't really have the internal space necessary for mining. It could be outfitted for exploration but it wouldn't be as effective as other ships.
all 3 ( chieftain,crusader,challenger) are designt thargoid hunters ! and the crusader works very well as a no shield-hulltank-pirate ship. if you wont use the fighter hangar. other wise its a great support ship between the Keelback and Krait mk2.
Well, in terms of defence, she has lower numbers than your Chieftain. But because she has the SLF, she doesn't get hit nearly so often, so it works out better. It gives you way more thinking time, too. Basically if your target is focused on your SLF then go ham with the weapons, but as soon as it looks at you, go shields up. :D You do sacrifice one of the class 3 hardpoints, which is downgraded to a class 2. But that's more than made up for by the firepower the SLF itself has.
@@Kaethena I see, I ask because I've been thinking of getting Elite and such for PC, I just recently got a rig (and it's almost paid off!) But the controls kind of dissuaded me once I saw them, but I've seen people without the mouse indicator such as you so I was wondering what was what :P
@@ArthurReinhaldri You can use a HOTAS, or a controller, or even a mouse and keyboard. The game works equally well on all of them. Elite (pre-odyssey) is on consoles, and developed with controllers in mind. All the keys/buttons can be mapped to a controller for the most part, if you don't want to invest in a HOTAS. I used one for the longest time with no issues.
I guess to an extent, yeah, although I was more concerned really with showing how much damage the ship could avoid by virtue of the SLF, rather than how much it could dish out. However, I'm the kind of player who doesn't really think anything of using Premium ammo to boost weapon damage. As long as you don't have too many weapons to reload, I really don't see the point of sitting on materials just to say you have them. That seems a bit silly. A few hours collecting every month or so and you can run your weapons with an extra 30% damage practically non stop. That's basically two extra engineering grades. I don't get why Premium is treated as a precious thing by a lot of people. It's just another tool in your toolbox.
@@chelimix4580 Haha well I'm British, so I guess I would be classed as a westerner, too. I find the idea of hoarding a bit dumb. We do it in other games too. Anything that's seen as rare, we hold onto it because we freak out over the difficulty of getting it again. The materials aren't hard to get though, in Elite. A few hours and you're maxed out. Enough for several weeks of playtime. Why not just make the most of it?
As a Turk, I can easily say that collecting materials varies from person to person. I think this is personal actually. for example most of my ships are 2-3. level of engineering and I am generally satisfied. because collecting materials is so boring... I only collect materials at the "manageable" level not "perfect" or "premium" :D I haven't tried the crusader. I have a challenge. Let me take a look at that ship. I like.
I mean sure. She is conservative. But she's also capable of taking out engineered pirate ships 4 times her size without worrying about anything. Go in there with something more "fly by the seat of your pants" and see how long you last. Before jumping out again. Fun is relative. Actually check out my video where I do just that in an Asp Scout, lol.
lol, if you say it's terrible, then at least say why. I personally dont think crusader is as good as other 2 alliance ship, but This build is objectively great vs NPC's. At least say what is terrible about it, like this, you just look like a clown.
Terrible how? Medium ship taking on the toughest NPC ships in the game (at that point) and with relative comfort... Not sure I'd call it terrible. But I'd like to know why you think that. :)
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I love how badass not just this ship apparently but also French ship voice is. Huge respect for ur build. Just got a chief but your vid is making me question my decision.
No reason you can't have both. Or all three of the medium Alliance ships. They all have their strengths. :)
Can confirm Chief is great. I mainly use it for bounty hunting n what not but I've taken her out exploring as well.
@@marleyjr00 They're all great, in different ways. They make the Imperial and Federal navy ships seem kind of pointless.
My second favorite ship after the T10. I run 1 L MC 2 M MC (1 corrosive) and 3 S Railguns on the small hard points. Usually I can’t use fixed weapons but the convergence is so good on the C-Series ships!
I wholly approve of this loadout!
@@Kaethena T10 is best ship. I have 4; one for Mining, one for Combat, one for Exploration, and one for Multipurpose mission running.
@@Chronicler177 I knew there was a reason I liked you. Good man!! We would get along famously!
Thank you for sharing this build in the description! I just now bought one. Exchanged my transporter 7 and some credits for it before watching this video. Now I know I’m in good hands for combat. Thanks again! o7
You're very welcome. :) Have fun with her. She's a very underrated, yet awesome little ship.
@@Kaethena very much so! o7
I love this underrated ship
Me too. I'm a sucker for an underdog, and this ship is far better than her reputation suggests.
I've got one with a cannon build. High damage level 3 engineered cannons. Melts ships quick fast and in a hurry. I don't see many people using cannons though. They kill faster than most of my other builds, minus maybe my double shot frag build. Just gotta get used to the slower projectile speed and time it right. Occasionally you get some crazy 1 shot hull hits on ships.
I use cannons on quite a few of my ships. I agree with everything you've said. My Corvette has two class 4 fixed cannons strapped to her back, firing gigantic shells to put very large holes in things. For module destruction they are top tier weapons.
I like to run 3 fixed class 1 cannons on my Chieftain. To say they're small weapons, they can still take out a powerplant, and ship, in a couple of salvos. My Chieftain Gunship video is an example of them at work.
Nice build! I know I'm a bit late, but could you please share your HUD colour codes? It looks wonderful!
Sure thing. They are:
0.3, 0.05, 1.2
-0.15, 2, -0.5
1, -1.3, 0.7
Enjoy. :)
@@Kaethena Thank you so much!
Class 3 and 1 long-range thermal vent fixed beam lasers in the top center-line hardpoints w/ two class 1 overcharged caustic gimballed multi-cannons in the left and right hardpoints works very well when used in separate firegroups for hull and armor, and that leaves the top and bottom size 2 slot for hi-cap heatseeker missiles w/ drag munitions. Paired w/ a fixed-beam taipan or GU-97, that build can very effectively strip shielding, then the multi-cannons and missiles can sub-target drives. Fixed beams have a decent amount of armor-penetration and will let you make quick work of the power plant once you've immobilized your enemy. This is a versatile build that I recommend for conflict-zones.
If it works for you, go with it.
It’s actually one of the ships I’ve never bought in game after 33 weeks of gameplay, being a fan of the chieftain and chally.
I should give it a try !
Definitely. You might be surprised. :)
The Crusader saved my continued gameplay in Elite early on. I was slowly working my way up, trading in ship for ship, got myself a Krait Mk II, was having an okay time even though I couldn't afford to A grade everything, then I made the mistake of trading it in for an Anaconda without the filthy lucre to fit it out proper. Got it destroyed once when I almost had not enough to cover insurance, freaked out a bit at the prospect of losing everything I worked for, then determined to trade it in for something I could kit out to A grade with the funding. Alliance Crusader was my choice, and for a good long time, life became easy in Elite. Got that Anaconda again now, but being 1200 hours into the game, she's fitted right and purring, but damn, I can't say I'd ever have reached this point if not for the Crusader.
As someone who loves the underdog ships (Crusader, Clipper), and who uses both the Chieftain and the Crusader, i can add the following to the convo:
1) Chief and Crusader share most module slots, so it is easy to swap between them;
2) Crusader is fun to fly, especially with the fighter, but:
- it is slower and less manuverable than the Chieftain;
- it has less overall damage unless the fighter hits consistently with no significant downtime (like it being destroyed).
Both of these causes the Crusader to underachieve compared to the chieftain in combat. That slower kill-farm CAN hurt in a higher level Combat Zone, especially if you are trying to influence a certain faction with it (it takes more time to complete the same amount of CZs). That being said, i love the design of the Crusader, i just wish they would balance it's performance better.
What are examples of ships with the lowest kill-farm times?
I just joined ED ~ 3 weeks ago.
My fav is T10 and Federal Corvette.
But I am sure that I will buy this ship, cuz I love how its look :D
@Kaethena Thank you a lot for awesome video. I'm kind of new to the game, but was lucky to spend some time already. Can you please suggest a build for these ship without engineers? I already bought it and i want to fly multicrew mode with two of my friends, however i just started to do my engineers.
Please give advice on the build without engineers for the beginner ))
When you say unengineered, do you also mean without any Guardian unlocks? Because that will change how you build the ships a lot, outside of any engineering. And are you also talking about the Crusader specifically or another ship you want to fly?
Fantastic, I also think the Crusader is underrated :D
Yeah it really is. Thank you.
People such as TheYamiks and The Pilot do make good points why the Crusader is not that good of a ship. I think the ship's full potential can only be used as a party boat, load up two buddies with you and launch two fighters, and use the Crusader's excellent maneuverability, you have a wolf pack tearing into your prey. In a sense, It is a light carrier.
Myself, I use the Chieftain as my go to combat ship, its maneuverability and heavy firepower is appealing to me. I use that ship as an oversized fighter because I do like getting behind my enemy's 6 and tearing into them or thrusting sideways to force them to overshoot. I don't think to much of the Challenger because of it weapon placement which is not that good for leading compared to the Chieftain.
Sorry it's taken me a while to get back to you. I agree with most of the things you've said, although I don't think you can really call a ship "Good" or "Bad". It's entirely subjective. Personally, I really, really don't like the Corvette. Even though I'm in the minority. It isn't a bad ship, it just doesn't suit me. I think the same is true with the Crusader. Either you get it or you don't. If you don't, that's okay.
@@Kaethena I never did say it was a bad ship. Because of the ship’s lack of fire power and maneuverability compared to Chieftain and the fact I usually fly alone I figured that would be best if I stuck with the Chieftain. If I could launch two fighters on my own, I’d take it. I’d get it down the road for when I want to do multi crew and want to fly around in my Chieftain.
@@Soundwave142 Actually you can launch 2 fighthers alone not with a friend multicrew... but with AI pilots ! This way the enemy AIs are destracted most of the time with the 2 tiny ai fighters and you have easy time to destroy your target! The Crusader for PVE combat its way better than the Chieftain , because the enemy AI is so Dumb to attack the smaller 2 fighters they dont engage you 90% of the battle you dont recive damage at all!
@@BG-Skech You sure? I tried to do that once an it only allowed one AI crew member.
How were you able to keep the heat down? I run the same Beam Lasers and Multi-cannons and heat up very quickly.
Thermal Vent experimental on the lasers. It acts like a heatsink. When you hit your target, it drops the heat of your ship, at the cost of generating more heat when you miss. Which basically means don't keep spamming them when your target uses Chaff.
Also the lasers use the Efficient Weapon modification, which lowers the thermal load, as well as the distributor and power draw of the weapon, while providing a slight damage increase.
Although the thing about Thermal Vent is that how well it works is based on how much heat the lasers generate. The hotter your ship would normally get, the faster they cool it down. Meaning if you use a Short Range modification on the beams, which would normally be like blowtorching your own face off, adding the Thermal Vent experimental and hitting your target will drop your heat to zero in mere seconds. Way faster than a heatsink does.
One other thing to note is that the efficacy of Thermal Vent also depends on the Heat Efficiency of your Power Plant. A plant with a better HE will sink the heat faster than a Grade 5 Overcharged one will.
@@Kaethena Oh my, that’s crazy! I guess I gotta get those mods, heat generations has always been a problem for me across all of my beam laser loadouts. Getting better and better every day with my Cheiftan at controlling the heat but I’ve always felt that I could do a lot more damage if I didn’t have to stop shooting to cool down. Thank you! :)
@@myfavebandLP12 biggest error of most ppl is to use thrusters with overcharge and drag u get like +60% heat other one give u 24% more speed and -60% heat so -120% heat in total for 16% speed loose
@@roemiroemi6791 Ah that makes sense, guess I’ll have to switch those out lol
Hello, anyone tell me what this ship is for? It for fighting or mining or exploring?
It's an Alliance military ship so its primary use is combat. It doesn't really have the internal space necessary for mining. It could be outfitted for exploration but it wouldn't be as effective as other ships.
@@Kaethena thanks
all 3 ( chieftain,crusader,challenger) are designt thargoid hunters ! and the crusader works very well as a no shield-hulltank-pirate ship. if you wont use the fighter hangar. other wise its a great support ship between the Keelback and Krait mk2.
That is nice and tanky ! I wonder if I should transfer the guys of my new Chieftain onto a Crusader.
Well, in terms of defence, she has lower numbers than your Chieftain. But because she has the SLF, she doesn't get hit nearly so often, so it works out better. It gives you way more thinking time, too. Basically if your target is focused on your SLF then go ham with the weapons, but as soon as it looks at you, go shields up. :D You do sacrifice one of the class 3 hardpoints, which is downgraded to a class 2. But that's more than made up for by the firepower the SLF itself has.
Do you play on controller by chance?
I did in the past. Then I swapped to an X56 Hotas. But I still have some things bound to the controller for ease of use.
@@Kaethena I see, I ask because I've been thinking of getting Elite and such for PC, I just recently got a rig (and it's almost paid off!) But the controls kind of dissuaded me once I saw them, but I've seen people without the mouse indicator such as you so I was wondering what was what :P
@@ArthurReinhaldri You can use a HOTAS, or a controller, or even a mouse and keyboard. The game works equally well on all of them. Elite (pre-odyssey) is on consoles, and developed with controllers in mind. All the keys/buttons can be mapped to a controller for the most part, if you don't want to invest in a HOTAS. I used one for the longest time with no issues.
I love the Crusader
Good man! Very underrated little ship.
Good video but using premium ammo kinda invalidates the purpose of this showcase, in my opinion.
That said i also love my crusader, gj.
I guess to an extent, yeah, although I was more concerned really with showing how much damage the ship could avoid by virtue of the SLF, rather than how much it could dish out.
However, I'm the kind of player who doesn't really think anything of using Premium ammo to boost weapon damage. As long as you don't have too many weapons to reload, I really don't see the point of sitting on materials just to say you have them. That seems a bit silly.
A few hours collecting every month or so and you can run your weapons with an extra 30% damage practically non stop. That's basically two extra engineering grades. I don't get why Premium is treated as a precious thing by a lot of people. It's just another tool in your toolbox.
@@chelimix4580 Haha well I'm British, so I guess I would be classed as a westerner, too.
I find the idea of hoarding a bit dumb. We do it in other games too. Anything that's seen as rare, we hold onto it because we freak out over the difficulty of getting it again. The materials aren't hard to get though, in Elite. A few hours and you're maxed out. Enough for several weeks of playtime. Why not just make the most of it?
As a Turk, I can easily say that collecting materials varies from person to person. I think this is personal actually. for example most of my ships are 2-3. level of engineering and I am generally satisfied. because collecting materials is so boring... I only collect materials at the "manageable" level not "perfect" or "premium" :D
I haven't tried the crusader. I have a challenge. Let me take a look at that ship. I like.
Looks awesome! But also super boring...
I mean sure. She is conservative. But she's also capable of taking out engineered pirate ships 4 times her size without worrying about anything. Go in there with something more "fly by the seat of your pants" and see how long you last. Before jumping out again. Fun is relative. Actually check out my video where I do just that in an Asp Scout, lol.
Terrible build
lol, if you say it's terrible, then at least say why. I personally dont think crusader is as good as other 2 alliance ship, but This build is objectively great vs NPC's. At least say what is terrible about it, like this, you just look like a clown.
@@tomasgaming703 I actually work in a circus
@@boneidlethe3rd looks like it got to your brain
Terrible how? Medium ship taking on the toughest NPC ships in the game (at that point) and with relative comfort... Not sure I'd call it terrible. But I'd like to know why you think that. :)
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You are owed an explanation and I wished you had stayed on my Discord until I had the chance to.
And you are more than welcome on my stream chat! It was all an error that has been corrected. Please get in touch. Thx.