on behalf on the community, thank you for including some of the tier list in the thumbnail! As soon as I saw Harbor in S tier I clicked without hesitation lmao
Underrated Sage. It’s an execute and post plant heavy map - lurks are sparse/late and post plant spam will be oppressive. She’s great for securing plants/defuses and stalling pushes. There are a good number of grim walls too for mixups.
Picking an agents for two specific situations is hardly viable no matter the map you play. Sage is an okay-ish pick but literally pick cypher or deadlock and your value goes up exponentially.
honestly for how the map's made, I think the meta is gonna be focused on harbor and breach as the two main picks, and if I had to make a comp for the map It would probably be either or my preferred one because the neon would help with the fast rotation in defense having a map that's this big, and chamber would take the jett oping position, plus I don't think that a recon is necessary being a map where playing in site is just a nightmare having almost no space to work with when the site is pushed, so a breach solo initiator with a neon running it down is gonna be just fine Imo
Pro play is prob gonna go breach sova harbor neon sage bc cove into sage wall guarantees defuse if enemy plays ppp (passive post-plant) which is kinda becoming the meta bc heretics sunset b (both of abyss' sites can easily use ppp)
As someone who plays both CS2 and Valorant, I see Abyss as the CS equivalent of Vertigo, a map that everybody hates but gives it a great opportunity for players to learn to get an edge over people that hate the map and don't want to learn it. That being said, this game desperately needs a map veto system for comp.
As an astra main, I’m super excited for a map pool where I can play her on most maps (no icebox or bind) without being screamed at by my team for not picking omen
vipers A ults are insane n might get patched but i feel like shes A just cause of how they cover 90% of the site incl walkway if you know the spot n its easy to make orb lineups for mid and b heaven... astra mb A too cause you can suck people off (the map)
Definetely think the meta is going to be based around cypher or kj comps, killjoy and astra are menaces on A site since attackers have to funnel through the choke and astra can play off of the turret instead of relying on comms to support her kj, this allows harbor and a duelist like jett or neon to contest B orb, and because the kj/astra setup is so threatening it creates so many opportunities for massive lurk plays if B main is uncontested early in the round
Basically KJ/Astra teams will be able to play more passively on A to focus on forcing out rotates, while cypher teams can rely on cyphers passive pressure on B to aggressively fight for A main control in order to waste attacker util to make the site hit weaker
Pro comp: Harbor - Sova - Breach - Gekko - Chamber No duelist needed, full util exec’s with wingman cove plant & defuse, similar to no duelist icebox. Could easily swap Gekko for Jett & Chamber for KJ but it’s worth a shot imo
Now a days I would say KAY/O is only worth as a secondary initiator, I’ve solo initiator played him on every map for years now and it’s just not always worth with the lack of info on his knife , pair him with a sova to shut down all sites or skye to just flash the hell out of the site only way to go
Maybe in pro scene? Team comp 1: Neon, Chamber/DL, Breach, Sova, Harbor Team comp 2: Jett, Chamber/DL, Breach, Sova, Omen Team comp 3 (?!): Yoru, Omen, Harbor, Sova, Deadlock
It will be more likely something like Jett/Habor/Omen/Kayo/Sova since it is an op heavy map and sentinels are not that valuable in general. You will want vision denial and util that force ops to reposition like flashes and recon on attack and on defence you will want to ability to stall both sites of the map with smokes
Chamber is so overrated, he can't defend a B hit since harbor cascade will allow attackers to scale up safely, nor can he defend A site since so many flashes are used to get through the choke
The comps should look like this 1: Neon/Jett, Breach/Sova, Killjoy, Astra, Harbor 2: Neon/Jett, Breach, Sova, Cypher, Harbor. The most important site is A because it's so much harder to retake so defenses will have to be planned around either passively holding it at the choke with killjoy and Astra, or they'll rely on cypher to hold down B while the initiators are used to aggress up A main early. The splits will either be 3-0-2/2-1-2 for the first comp or 3-1-1/4-0-1 for the second comp
Astra in B tier for something that has nothing to do with the map and how she as an agent works on it, and HARBOR in S tier controller?! He is so bad! L O L! Rest your arm, you're reaching too far! LOL!!!!!!
Bro harbor on this map is crazy. You put your walls in the jump places and people get slowed and fall to their deaths.
I never thought of that and now I'm tempted to play Harbor on this map
Ur evil I like it
✋🏻🤚🏻 WAVE CRASHING
Bro is bronze
Harbor and Deadlock has so low pick rates, Riot just made a map for them
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Fuck yeah BD
¡me who picks both + astra (lets go man, lets go!!)
I'm watching this while waiting for the tech pause to end on the rrq and talon match
Same 😂
Monyet was kinda throwing sometimes ngl
on behalf on the community, thank you for including some of the tier list in the thumbnail! As soon as I saw Harbor in S tier I clicked without hesitation lmao
Haven't got the chance to play this map yet but as a breach main I can see the potential
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Underrated Sage. It’s an execute and post plant heavy map - lurks are sparse/late and post plant spam will be oppressive. She’s great for securing plants/defuses and stalling pushes. There are a good number of grim walls too for mixups.
I personally love how you can walk the A and trance at just the right angle to have a little hiding spot to avoid being hit
Picking an agents for two specific situations is hardly viable no matter the map you play. Sage is an okay-ish pick but literally pick cypher or deadlock and your value goes up exponentially.
finally, i can play harbor and not get told im throwing (i still usually carry)
IMO a problem with neon is that there’s such little room for error like one miss timed slide or jump and ur gone
don't miss time it then lol
Neon benefits a lot from mastery like yoru! Or like most anyone else.
Omen also has some nice one way on Abyss so having him 2nd makes sense.
honestly for how the map's made, I think the meta is gonna be focused on harbor and breach as the two main picks, and if I had to make a comp for the map It would probably be either or my preferred one because the neon would help with the fast rotation in defense having a map that's this big, and chamber would take the jett oping position, plus I don't think that a recon is necessary being a map where playing in site is just a nightmare having almost no space to work with when the site is pushed, so a breach solo initiator with a neon running it down is gonna be just fine Imo
Pro play is prob gonna go breach sova harbor neon sage bc cove into sage wall guarantees defuse if enemy plays ppp (passive post-plant) which is kinda becoming the meta bc heretics sunset b (both of abyss' sites can easily use ppp)
Harbor will be finally back 🎉❤
As someone who plays both CS2 and Valorant, I see Abyss as the CS equivalent of Vertigo, a map that everybody hates but gives it a great opportunity for players to learn to get an edge over people that hate the map and don't want to learn it.
That being said, this game desperately needs a map veto system for comp.
As an astra main, I’m super excited for a map pool where I can play her on most maps (no icebox or bind) without being screamed at by my team for not picking omen
harbor is going to be wild, as soon as i saw this map in the vct finals, i knew it would be harbor meta
Choosing initiators depend on what kind of duelist so this list for reference purpose only
vipers A ults are insane n might get patched but i feel like shes A just cause of how they cover 90% of the site incl walkway if you know the spot n its easy to make orb lineups for mid and b heaven... astra mb A too cause you can suck people off (the map)
hello kanga, love ur vids, any sneek peeks of the upcoming battlepass for Act 9?
Nothing yet, i’ll make a video whenever I find anything
Definetely think the meta is going to be based around cypher or kj comps, killjoy and astra are menaces on A site since attackers have to funnel through the choke and astra can play off of the turret instead of relying on comms to support her kj, this allows harbor and a duelist like jett or neon to contest B orb, and because the kj/astra setup is so threatening it creates so many opportunities for massive lurk plays if B main is uncontested early in the round
Basically KJ/Astra teams will be able to play more passively on A to focus on forcing out rotates, while cypher teams can rely on cyphers passive pressure on B to aggressively fight for A main control in order to waste attacker util to make the site hit weaker
bro i predicted the meta on one of your community posts im pretty sure i said harbor neon iso breach deadlock im so smart
Pro comp: Harbor - Sova - Breach - Gekko - Chamber
No duelist needed, full util exec’s with wingman cove plant & defuse, similar to no duelist icebox.
Could easily swap Gekko for Jett & Chamber for KJ but it’s worth a shot imo
chamber/dl, jett/yoru imo
Now a days I would say KAY/O is only worth as a secondary initiator, I’ve solo initiator played him on every map for years now and it’s just not always worth with the lack of info on his knife , pair him with a sova to shut down all sites or skye to just flash the hell out of the site only way to go
Hmm.. Interesting..
Maybe in pro scene?
Team comp 1: Neon, Chamber/DL, Breach, Sova, Harbor
Team comp 2: Jett, Chamber/DL, Breach, Sova, Omen
Team comp 3 (?!): Yoru, Omen, Harbor, Sova, Deadlock
It will be more likely something like Jett/Habor/Omen/Kayo/Sova since it is an op heavy map and sentinels are not that valuable in general. You will want vision denial and util that force ops to reposition like flashes and recon on attack and on defence you will want to ability to stall both sites of the map with smokes
Chamber is so overrated, he can't defend a B hit since harbor cascade will allow attackers to scale up safely, nor can he defend A site since so many flashes are used to get through the choke
The comps should look like this
1: Neon/Jett, Breach/Sova, Killjoy, Astra, Harbor
2: Neon/Jett, Breach, Sova, Cypher, Harbor.
The most important site is A because it's so much harder to retake so defenses will have to be planned around either passively holding it at the choke with killjoy and Astra, or they'll rely on cypher to hold down B while the initiators are used to aggress up A main early.
The splits will either be 3-0-2/2-1-2 for the first comp or 3-1-1/4-0-1 for the second comp
Dose abys gonna comme for competitive in the next week?
Yes with the next act
chamber is A tier for this map just because his snipers and trap?
Yes? Just like he's always been good on breeze for the very same reasons
Big map? Chamber
think of icebox how you can basically sit at all 3 entries (a, mid, b) and simply just hold it with your sniper
Can you do this for every map now please
Astra is so fun on this map ngl
is no one gonna talk about how Kanga made phoenix jump off the map😂
im first
Damm i miss the iso shield refresh 😢
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Sir battle pass leaks??
either i'm bad with breach either this vid is wrong, abyss walls are too thick for breach in lots of places
kanga are u an iso main
take a shot anytime this guy says "overall"
Viper is no doubt the best controller along with harbor on this map.
Viper solo isnt the best but with omen she can do crazy smokes althouh harbor can do the same but alone
Harbor s tier letssss gooooo
GGWP❤
Someone actually put harbor in s tier
Neon breach omen cypher deadlock watch
With harbor being meta on this map deadlock is horrible, throw a cascade in front of her barrier and you can teamfire it 100% safely
@@MC-ns8gb you’ll see, no one plays harbor ever so it doesn’t really matter in NA, when he was the guy on Pearl ppl still just played astra instead
Is it only me or abyss isn't even in map pool
I played a lot of comp matches but RNG didn't select abyss a single time.
It gets added to competitive next week after Episode 9 Act 1 starts, for now it's only in things like unrated and swiftplay
no way harbor is s tier, never would i thought mah boi would make it to S TIER 😭
I hate this map
Ya'll are never happy about anything this game does
Yes becoz they're looters 😢
@@Peachihehethank you, finally someone said it
Well we hate u too
sounds like someone fell off during a match
Am i going crazy or skye isn't here?
This is an awful yoru map the gate crash gets stuck on everything
Hahahaha that's why people play harbor on this map??? It doesn't work lol Nobody knows how to play him
It does work he just gets stretched thin if people don't play off of his util
F Tier Map
Astra in B tier for something that has nothing to do with the map and how she as an agent works on it, and HARBOR in S tier controller?! He is so bad! L O L! Rest your arm, you're reaching too far! LOL!!!!!!
We have the same pfp