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Stopped mid-stroke to tune in to this man
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@empt3y_86 +1
Just continue
man i just done doing it
How is it that TMV has garnered the type of comment section that he has. I mean its pretty funny but out of the whole Valo community why just this man.
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@@tylink99ppl in here talking bout beatin they shit on the regular
yeah it's so funny how everyone just collectively agreed to that kind of humor. reminds me so much of jerma's community being into the brainrot gen z/alpha humor while jerma himself doesn't exhibit them on stream
cuz hes so cute
I would choose this type of comments over cringeass westjett or ditto comments
oiled up mans valorant when?
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I am genually a sage beliver on this map. Getting the spike down is just so big and spamm so important.
Thats why i am a harbor believer
@@playbtdbattles2409
Same. Wish I was actually good though...
Before watching the video i will say: Harbor is insane in Abyss i hecking love playing him on that map
True, don't know why people dont consider him playing on this map, it's made for harbor
@@sarthak.inferno as crazy as this may sound but i even play him as a solo controller and it works really well for me
@@Kryzez i make my friend play it and I play Chamber/Deadlock, our squad pretty much destroys enemy team
@@sarthak.inferno Tbh some teams are lazy to experiment and practice him lol
@@funkycrawler619 yeah, chamber harbor are so underrated yet viable options on some maps, atleast we see Asian teams trying out them in different comps
yo TMV hear me out, I'm putting my premier roaster on a sick comp in my opinion, you go double controller with astra and harbor cuz harbor cooks on this map, then you go chamber, neon and breach solo initiator, it's insane how good it is, the double smokes are generally really good for defaults on attack and stopping pushes on defense, then chamber has the oper role ofc, +his trip can hold mid lurks really well and then breach and neon are both for utilities and entries, the comp works really well mainly cuz on defense you can abuse the barriers positions to take space and fight early with chamber or to post him up, and same thing can be done with neon following breach utilities, I'm still working on how to make it a perfect comp tho, cuz for example you only have harbor cove to deal with cypher trips, but I'll figure it out
Honestly on first glance this sounds well thought out. I wish I could use this in my soloQ comp games.
I'm no good at this game but for Kayo I found a defensive lineup on B I throw almost straight up, super unbreakable and lands on the B rush by the time you're basically mid if you're fast rotating after the knife throw. The A knife is super easy, obviously shows greatness in Kayo here but yea figuring out B site is a bitch, it's so split from the rest of the map!
I feel like cypher is just very unoptomised, putting a trip on one side of the mid lane and having a body on the other isn't something a lot of teams were doing afaik
The map doesn't necessarily require heavy mid-presence though. You can just have one body there if anything. Fast executes so far seem the way to go and Deadlock/Sage are far better at stopping rushes/post-plant set up than Cypher (and I'd argue Chamber can get the same "flank" watch potential while still causing more pressure cause his util has no fall off).
@funkycrawler619 its easy to get timinged if youre watching it solo with no util
I mean I'm a cypher main, I'm a silver cypher main to be fair. But I play 2 trips site and cam mid to cover mid pushes. But honestly with how pro is played that's likely not useful.
@@funkycrawler619 Yes, the map doesn't require heavy presence mid, but that's exactly why you would prefer a cypher trip mid. And when I say having a body watching the other lane, I mean the body heavily leaning either A or B side to help with said pushes if they do just fast hit. Chamber would also be good in terms of this, but his site hold is way weaker than cyphers
@@confusedguy996 Well Cypher obviously is that strong on this map in particular at holding site lol as we have seen. Sova being a hard meta pick (and Kayo to a degree) will make Cypher holding very difficult. Cypher trip mid only covers one lane and a relatively close lane to your side. Chamber can do that but also has the fire power to hold a site specially with an op. Cypher brings value but its evident here that the value he usually brings isn't that different from other sentinels.
I feel like abyss will play out like lotus with the odin cause you can spam the plant through the tower wall on A with a odin.
Im surprised viper/harbour havent been used more tbh harbour seems really strong on attack and viper wall is crazy on B but she might not get enough value otherwise to be worth the pick
harbor is actually underrated on abyss, he can cover anything
I wanna see FPX's comp on this map
Ouuu they gna cook 🔥
They already played it. Their comp was Fade, Yoru, Cypher, Omen, Viper.
@@Browniev2 interesting wonder if it'll be different for international competition
Sorry for spilling on you Mr. Man’s Valorant
TMV great video but speaking of controllers what's your thoughts on viper vs. omen for Abyss in soloq? I only play omen and viper and though omen is picked more in the pro scene I feel like viper may be better in soloq for two reasons:
1) I feel that the smokes are stronger on viper than on omen, I can set up wall on B and orb on A, and I feel I get better performance than smoking with omen.
2) Viper's molly is good for both plant denial and post plant, two things that are very strong to play on abyss, and playing viper means I'll guaranteed have someone on my team that is able to play for plant denial and post plant strongly.
Omen's blind is really strong though and maybe I just had some bad games with omen or didn't get comfortable on abyss with him yet? I'm curious as to your thoughts if you do see this.
I have no clue how to play Sova or abyss but tried Sova because team didn't have an initiator and managed to get a lot of value out of my util because you can kinda make lineups on the fly to gather info and with ult you can make fights easier for your team.
I think its funny cypher in VCT is playing B because everyone in ranked has been playing A which is just terrible since an omen refreshing a smoke puts the same amount of denial as a cypher being A. Its already harder to take it doesn't need a cypher
For competitive, Sage is huge pick for this map, trust. Battle sages are true need in your competitive game, you don't even know how much revive means for overall game. Also, Iso and jett combo are not bad at all.
Addional to this: Viper has nice setup, but needs buff, she would be broken otherwise, but you need good timings.
Harbor is brutal pick, you can not miss with Breach, Clove with any other smoker is amazing. Deadlock is nice, cypher is fun, Sova is okay but weak since he is passive with his kit. Skye is good (but again, timings), better to take Breach.
In personal opinion, the best combo is Iso/Jett/Reyna + BREACH / Gekko + Sage / DL + Harbor/Clove
By far, if you are in good terms with any of this agents, you will find the way on this map.
IMO, Deadlock and even Chamber, are far better picks for the map than Cypher (who I think people are over compensating for his universal util but from what is shown- isn't getting much value for how the map plays out). Sage probably even has value here too cause the maps tight choke points/heavy exec means these agents can get great value compared a Cypher in which trips just get avoided fairly easily.
Idk about pro play but you need a cypher cam to watch mid. Also the trips can generate a lot of kills because of how many high low angles and different safe spots you can spam from on the sites. Chamber and deadlock are pretty useless unless people are stupid
@@laserhawk221 You don't need a cam at this elo., You can have a body if need be, and that being said, given how the maps chokes work out, its impossible to lurk onto the site without making sound through the side avenues. There is only one choke point meaning Deadlock (especially more so since her trips completely block off any lurks from B DAnger or Jett/Omen/Raze trying airborne across A). Their not useless at all on this map, just like how Cypher isn't a must pick.
@@funkycrawler619 professional teams all pick cypher. Also it’s not about lurking mid. Some teams actually go mid. Deadlock is a worse cypher with no information. Information is the most important thing at pro levels that’s why you even see cypher taking over some of the kj maps
@@laserhawk221no they aren't, mid is huge you could leave chamber there to watch that, also extremely execute heavy so deadlock can find alot of value
@@laserhawk221 The map is knew and Cypher is strong, that's why they picked him but as we can see so far...his value isn't marginally high. Several other maps fair fine without him, and I do think this could be one of them.
Astra/Harbor/Jett/Sova + another Initiator ('m leaning towards Breach the most roght now) is the best comp. If any team will pick up this comp they'll be the best Abyss team hopefully xD
no omen no win
@@swftchaos Tbh I don’t see how Omen is as big of a must have on Abyss as on other maps. And keep in mind I‘m using Harbor in my comp instead of solo Controller, and I do not play a Sentinel.
1. Astra is a far better Lurker option than Omen
2. Astras smokes are bigger which is actually quite helpful on some spots on the map
3. Astras Ult > Omens Ult
4. I don’t really see that many good Omen blind spots on the map, so I value Astra stun for entries/retakes and her suck for postplant or also entries/retakes more than the Omen blind (if you can give me some example of the Omen blind being really good please go ahead, I‘m not afraid to be wrong)
5. again I don’t see that many incredible Tp uses besides some „funny“ tps of the map or whatever, the only actually useful ones I can think of are both on defense, one down mid to get into the corner fast and one into window on B (where you‘d need extra help anyways and it‘d be hard to actually set him up) and while I‘m typing this I guess the „off the map“ entry Tp on A is useful aswell but you‘d use Jett there anyways if you‘d decide to entry from there. Also again, if you have examples on good Tp spots tell me, maybe I‘m missing a lot
6. There’s like no Omen oneways on the map which would make his smokes stronger than other smokes, the only ones I‘m aware of are both towards mid bottom which imo is not really that big of a deal as you should play Abyss very fast with 4 to 5 people executes and play post plant, it‘s not really worth to try and mid pushes, just to apply some fake pressure but you‘d use the Harbor Wall anyways for that and not some Omen oneways
The only real advantage for Omen on Abyss in my comp that I see is his infinite smokes which is just not more valuable in my opinion than everything I just named, especially if you consider the way how Abyss should be played anyways (in my opinion) in a very fast paced style
I have been thinking of running Harbor, gekko, sova, sage and then unsure about what to run in the last slot. Could se anything there tbh, but probably sentinel, duelist or viper.
100% last slot Jett, maybe Chamber but probably Jett.
i haven’t played a comp like this yet but i would think that a harbour gekko combo is enough to get the spike down without needing sage to wall up esp with a cove to throw over wingman, so ig either keep sage for that extra security or play omen for post plant smokes and then for the 5th i always like jett. thoughts?
@@vikingvfx5412sage is to protect wingmann from spam efficiently, cove cannot protect against odin, for example, and if we are in a spam meta, this will appear frequently.
We might need to see sage on the map, even to slow rotates.
@@Malam_NightYoru after some more thinking, I actually think Astra over Sage is probably the go to. Her stun is actually solid anti-spam too, her Ult is round winning and the extra smokes are exceptional value.
I think you could legit run a double controller / double initiator ( or an initiator + yoru) comp on abyss.
i still don't understand why cypher is preferred over kj? is it because of the ult?
no range for trips, quick ult recovery, allows for good lurking playstyle
people are very high on agressive cam copium
You get way more information and flexibility. Since there is no range
its basically breeze, not worth picking her and i say this as a kj player
@@yourbelovedautumn i wonder what issues you see on breeze that are also a factor on abyss because the maps have nothing in common
I feel like if astra can’t be played on this map she needs to be stronger
using yoru ult to body block someone into falling down is actual peak, i would never touch a duelist otherwise
So basically Ascent comps but with Cypher instead of KJ
I hope to See Harbour Astra in a Team comp
Astra - Gekko - Harbor trio meta.
Please buff Astra, make her ult cheaper at least
Or give her 5 stars which allows her to be a better solo controller
@@some_random_dude13 she was broken though, you'd have to rework some things but it's not impossible.
my ideal buff is to: make the recalls bloom for longer, and stars regenerate faster. ult maybe costs 1 less. you always have at least one star that regens like omen's.
that way it's kinda 5 stars but you can't just place them all down at once for instant total map control, plus you get a mini version of viper's map control power by denying info in small moments with recalls. ult is to help the spam meta
@@jodgey4 She was broken when her abilities were stronger and other agents were generally weaker. Old astra would just be balanced nowadays
@@Marcus-zt1wh but even with omen (at his same level as now) she was picked over him most of the time... it's hard to say.
brim also should have one smoke that regens, while on the topic
Who else up? Pooping they pants?
Did he replace Brim with sova in the thumbnail??? Is he too afraid to put dilfs on there
comp:
sova
breach
harbor
omen
jett
G2 comp was so cool
945 Aylin Station
0:33 gyett
Tldr?
playing tc rn
Cypher, Omen, Harbor, Sova/Gekko, Jett/Neon/Kayo. What do we think?
oiled up meta when?
Supprised to not see more harbor
oil
breach is gonna get more play
It is very early indeed
i think reyna is in this map
Hi there
Just play Sage
ngl this map sucks after watching this
nah, it is okay. Harbor/Omen is a duo never happened before
The map sucks.
this map is shit in ranked
first
Good vid, but putting your face up big and over the information constantly gets quite frustrating. Would appreciate it if you did not do that
440 views in 6 minutes bro fell off
1000+ views in 10 minutes bro climbed back up again
astra with another controller feels good you can do lots of lurk stuff with her smokes since they are bigger and recall-able. been playing it and it feels good