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The murderers are still there waiting for the next victims. The police 🚔 knows who are the murderer but they get paid to be silent. I hope tourists becareful with their life. One life, protect it
Tim, this is very fascinating and also Extremely Disturbing at the same time, but I guess I have new reading material now. Great job on the Interview revisiting this tragic incident. Thank you
Obviously very careful not to say anything that might cause them to be sued. I think EVERYONE knows who was responsible but money got in the way of truth and justice.
I was in Kho Tao in 2012 ....... during my first holiday in Thailand.......... and I have NEVER gone back. Lesson: NEVER go out late night on a lonely beach.... alone, or with just 2 people. Fine,,,,, if it's a group of guys........ healthy guys, but never alone. ** Same for Hawaii ! I lived on the Big Island, and white tourists / visitors got attacked there, and you never got to see that in the news.
This: There is no real rule of law in Thailand. The law is subjective and dispensed at whim by whoever is adjudicating on the day. As a foreign tourist, or a Burmese at the bottom of the socio-economic spectrum, you've basically go no rights. Why? Because you lack wealth, influence and status. That is the basis of Thai law. That is why wealthy Thais are able to get away with murder. Once again, there is no real rule of law in Thailand. If you're a foreign tourist and you choose to get involved in illegal activities (drug use) you're leaving yourself open to the worst possible outcomes you could imagine.
sadly it is the same the world over, America and Britain included. Young poor and black in America you cannot afford a top lawyer or any lawyer for that matter. Russia is run by the mafia and the top Don is Putin, you can see what is unfolding there. This is a problem all throughout history. Our monarchy's history is littered with bloodshed... King Henry was a tyrant. It will never change.
Ive been told the killer is one kid with his 2 friends who is the son of the wealthy family who developed or owns most of the land and thus secured police in thier pocket
Well.youre slightly right The family own n control it all. As for anything else you said, I Wouldn't . It's as deep as the sea and the their ancestors where sea gypsy and pirates. That's all I'd say n all I will.
Please read the book and watch the documentary my son Ben fell victim on the island in 2012, Suzanne has been a great support to all of us parents who have tragically lost a child 💔
Hi Pat, I'm David Miller's mother. Suzanne Buchanan was no help to me whatsoever, in fact she has been the opposite. I watched the recent documentary on all the deaths on Koh Tao and obviously David's murder was prominent. I find Suzanne Buchanan manipulative beyond belief. She tried to persuade me that David's murderers were innocent and when I didn't join in her views she resorted to accusing me of taking money! Because of that I know she is a liar. There are lots of accidents on this island because it is so vibrant with young people. But for her to write a book about these tragedies and to self proclaim that she knows something more than us is just wicked and morally corrupt. She is trying to give false hope whilst protesting about the innocence of both rapists and murderers....'her little boys". As a mother I think it is so important to stand up against bullies and she has proved to me that she is one.
@@suem6674 I'm sorry about your loss Sue, those who know Suzanne know she's a manipulative, lying criminal who doesn't think twice about stirring up false hope with the lies she peddles
@@sdevelter thank you so much for replying. Deliberate or not Suzanne Buchanan's actions have done so much harm to the innocent (and I don't mean two Myanmar murderers!), but she will have to live knowing that her 'angels' are in prison for their crimes where they can think on them for a very long time. She has got away with her manipulation too long and I hope more people begin to understand this.
Hi Pat, so sorry for your loss. It was initially & incorrectly believed that Ben was wearing a watch at the time of his terrible bike accident, and that this watch was missing / stolen thereby adding some credibility to the story he was robbed. Now that it transpires from your own son Mark who was on holiday with Ben that he never wore a watch. Mark has studied all the holiday photos, Ben is never seen wearing a watch. I quote your own son Mark in the Sky documentary Episode 3 of 3 at around 25 minutes, "there is no evidence/ nothing concrete / no facts to suggest anything else than an accident happened" and Pat in your own words when the interviewer told you there was no watch with the theory he was robbed you yourself said "Ive been going down the wrong road"
@@suem6674 I fell so sorry listen these words, sorry for your loss, but i am sure Suzanne know the truth, i think you just want elaborate the loss and draw the conclusion that the two Burmese boys did it, for your own in peace , ok accept that, but do not say suzanne is a liar ! you been too rude . it is well known that Tailand police is not the best in the world, is all about money there as alike prostitution it is illegal , but it is well known everywhere and free in front the governament. in my opinion Suzanne is a good person and honest and did well written the book, i saw the documentary and i am reading the book which is quite interesting to who wants to go ko tao and advise youth that is not all wonderful as it is said and see on tv. sorry my english.
Koh Tao didn't give me good vibes: I was there in 2006 and my bill was 2000 baht more then agreed. So I complained! He told me: pay up, or we put drugs in ur hut and call Police!!! Needless to say, I never went back there!
They dug up the deceased male's phone out the back of accused bungalow. They claim they found it on the beach days after the murder and that is the story they have stuck to till this day. Quite a coincidence given both accused where drunk and playing guitar 50 meters away from the crime scene that night and their semen were left at the crime scene. both guilty as sin.
Travel agencies around the world should be advised of this and be able to help stop tourists going there and the trafficking in Bangkok of women and children speaks volumes about Thailand and it's failed corrupt disgusting Govt.
I remember seeing the two Burmese men being paraded in front of the world news. I often wondered if they were guilty or innocent. Years later I watched this interview. After watching it I went out and ordered the book I always wanted to know the truth. The book was very informative and I learnt a lot that I didn’t know. I would recommend it to anybody who is really interested.
I don't know anyone who ever bought into the story of the two Burmese suspects. Saving face is everything in Thailand. If you somehow disrespect a Thai national, be very careful. You will be a marked tourist/expat.
So true, better to pay even if your right than die. You cannot win in Thailand. Although I had a massage 200bt/ 2 hrs. I didn't want happy ending, girl left and I got my money back. I didn't yell or push the issue. Long time ago.
The complete island is a no go for me! Bad local people abound! They are 'untouchable'! I was offshore Unocal in the late 80's. I saw what the 'fishermen' were doing to the Vietnamese boat people that drifted towards our complex! The ones that got through to the 'liberty barge' were the lucky ones!
I was on Koh Phangan at the time. All the locals were sharing pics of the murder scene. There was no security of the crime scene. Lots of people knows who really did this.
September 15, Date of murder. September 20, Y chromosome DNA tests identify DNA of 2 Asian men. October 1, They were arrested. October 2, They pleads guilty to murder claiming they turned on after seeing the victims making love. October 3, demonstrate at the crime scene with healthy appearance, not tired and sometimes smiled. - Scotland Yard officers already came to Thailand to inspect the investigation and never mentioned any false tests. The only thing that they concerned is that the crime scene might be confounded from the villagers who come by to see the crime scene.
- But DNA results clearly show only DNAs from 2 Asian men, so there is no confounding. - In court, they claimed they were assaulting by the interpreter ----> The 1st defendant refused and was attacked by an interpreter and threatened that If not accepted, they will be attacked and killed and thrown in the middle of the sea. If accepting, they will be in prison for only 4 to 5 years. Later, the interpreter said that the 2nd defendant had been arrested and spoke to the 2nd defendant by phone. The 2nd defendant said that he was beaten to death ----> No convincible evidence was shown in the court anyway.
Many murder cases in America link to the murderers from DNA found in rugs, cars, clothes, etc, after keeping the evidence for more than 20 years and reanalyze them because of the development of DNA technology. Why DNA found deep in vajayjay can't be used to link to the murderers?
This is nuts.. an arrest warrant for her just for writing what happened to this young girl..just don't want any bad publicity so let's sweep it under the carpet eh!
Just a few points as a retired senior detective. DNA - contamination is a real issue indeed and would certainly make it difficult to cross match evidence to a suspect, but when collected correctly it is indeed far more accurate and far more scientific than fingerprints. Fingerprints - for many years, I'd go as far as saying at least about 20 years, as a result of a case and trial in the UK, are no longer a matter of FACT, rather a matter of opinion, based on the level of expertise of the person doing the analysis and comparison. (One of the cases concerned a supposed fingerprint match at a crime scene to that of a female police officer. She was charged with perjury, later dismissed after an enquiry). In the case of the couple murdered on the beach, I think I got this from a tv program covering the case, that 'suggested' 'Thai mafia' involvement, and some cctv footage regarding movement of some key individual(s) close to the scene at or around the same time as the incident took place. Can't remember much more about it as it was some years ago.
what really ramps it all up is that apparently one family "owns" the island and there is virtually no police presence (3, and rumor is they, like many are paid off or fear "reprecussions"). I've read that the island was virtually uninhabited even as recently as 1940s. Very curious. Could be made a government park, run by the gov for tourism. 13 guys have jumped to their death AT Suvarnabhumi Airport rather than go home. It's not impossible that a few of these deaths might be this, or just accidents. But the ones involving pretty young women does raise a few red flags. AND the Indian COUPLE that BOTH drowned in their pool? There is enough conflicting or NO evidence to make one wonder.
The Thai authorities never let the facts (autopsy and DNA) keep them from creating their own self serving cause of death. The fact that they refuse to bring the red bull heir to justice only proves they can be paid off. That this author has an outstanding arrest warrant is disgusting. Everyone going to Thailand should keep this in mind and hope they don't run afoul of the Thai police. I can think of few countries with more corrupt authorities.
I remember the arrest of the 2 burmese men.. first thing I thought of was that they were innocent and were being arrested because they were burmese. Thailand has LOTS of crime committed by thai gangs which are protected by the thai police ( which is worst then the gangs). All countries which have a large tourist trade has the same problem.
So after all of this time why is no one doing anything about trying to get this poor woman’s arrest warrant removed? She’s done nothing but try to tell the truth and see justice prevail.
Corruption dude. Just don't go there. Last victims were two wealthy Indian girl owners who drowned in a swimming pool that was closed off to public and staff send nothing. Venetian were not wishing at this 5 start resort..... Sure!
I lived Samui 1994 for 5-6 years, anyone who lives / lived there and gets on with everyone well knows the score on how to adapt to the Asian way of thinking and the minds of Thai men. Thai Society has a very very violent dark side especially in the beach resorts and islands towards tourists , stich ups, rapes , etc etc it's just never reported . I was told by a retired Millitary Thai friend of mine, prior to tourism , the land on the seafront was regarded as cheap worthless land with just coconuts, so land was given to the bad boys of the families, well now the bad boys control most things in Thai tourist places.
Too many deaths to be coincidental and when's the dental and ivorty experience some type some Thai culture that doesn't care if foreigners are there or alive the foreigner needs to pay... Will I go there not likely there are other places in the world to go Thailand oh Thailand has been over saturated with did it with foreign money and They can be quite jaded
I think there are more people died from motobike accident than being murdered on KohTao for the past ten years. bad things just happen. Keep a low profile, don't get drunk and I think you'll be just fine. I've been there dozen times. it's a lovely island.
Yep i was drugged by the DJ in the Suzy Wong bar in Phuket. He asked me what floor i was on in my hotel and i said the first floor and he was very disappointed. Don’t go to that country! Read Thailand : Deadly Destination by John Stapleton for the truth on the many deaths to foreigners that occur there.
If i was a betting man i'm guessing involvement with the big factions on the island, crime scene manipulated police bribed, real killers hidden or moved elsewhere in thailand ...need i say more...Purely speculation of course
I love Thailand and Koh Tao was my crush and most favorite island, which I have visited couple of times. Unfortunately after all this information coming out, I would never ever go there again. It seems there is mafia ruling over the police and country, nowhere safe to be anymore. I heard stories all round Thailand, not only from Koh Tao. It seems a human life has no much value there, especially outsiders.
everyone whether Thai, foreigners or Myanmar when asked if they believe the two Myanmar boys charged are guilty all proclaim absolutely not. They were made scapegoats.
Sue Buchanan on her new upcoming book ‘The curse of the turtle’ which is regarding the true story behind the backpacker murders and the mystery surrounding this island. just love journalist who spin things, who's truth is this different countries do things in different ways
Did you know that according to the statistics Phuket has the highest murder rate in Thailand? In comparison to Koh Tao, if the population would be equal, it is 5 times higher. How about them Apples?
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The world is not like your home country. Just as you would expect people to adapt a little when visiting or staying in your country, you should do the same when visiting other countries. One of the big problems I've seen personally in Thailand, mostly on the islands of Samui, Phangan (my home) and Tao, is that visitors are just plain rude. Rudeness, or being rude to Thai people, in Thailand can put you in real danger, real quick. So if you intend on visiting - wise up: understanding the culture and how to be polite and respectful in a country you're visiting is really the minimum if you're expecting the same in return. This is where the problems start most of the time. I live on Phangan in a Thai community. Best place I've ever lived. I have an open space downstairs where there's all sorts of things that people could try and steal and not once have I ever had a problem with a Thai person here. Foreigners, yes. Nearly every day. But Thais, no. Thailand is a wonderous place and the islands in particular still have a magic about them that's been drained from most places in the Western world. Come, tread lightly, pay even just the minimum of respect to locals and you'll find a paradise unlost. Nice reporting Thaiger. I just wish this has made it's way into the past by now. It's nearly been a decade after all... :\
I feel the same. some time I go on a morning run on this small path by the beach, seeing all these empty beer bottles and trash every where just makes me sad.
@@terencebates6808 Of course it doesn’t. No one is suggesting that for one minute. I’m just giving my observations as someone who has lived next door to Koh Tao for many years. And maybe I know just a little more to the story than what’s reported. In fact, it’s the best unkept secret on the islands. Most people know who did it and why. And trust me, my point about respect and rudeness goes directly to the heart of how these things kick off. I didn’t make it that way. But that’s definitely the way it is. Take it or leave it. Sounds like you’re better off leaving it.
I still believe it was hype & myth creation, driven by other jealous authorities from other island & mainland jurisdictions. With convenient scape goats in two Burmese nationals. Koh Tao is a dive mecca with fabulous dive sites. Many dive operators from Samui etc. initially profited from Koh Tao's "Death Island" reputation. The real culprit/s left the island that night more than likely or is high in the food chain.
Then your brain cells are malfunctioning.21 deaths since 2014 under dodgy circumstances. The person believed to have done it slashed a man's throat in 2020. The only myth creation is from the police on this island
They dug up the deceased male's phone out the back of accused bungalow. They claim they found it on the beach days after the murder and that is the story they have stuck to till this day. Quite a coincidence given both accused where drunk and playing guitar 50 meters away from the crime scene that night and their semen were left at the crime scene. both guilty as sin.
I just returned from 5 wonderful weeks on Koh Tao. I didn't feel unsafe for one second. Sadly, some of the expats that live and work there talk about how this old story is still hurting business. Though the tragedy of loss for these families is timeless, I question the value of rehashing the story over and over again. (I guess it might sell books.)
@@faaf1234 No. Nobody killed anybody for quite some time. I was actually commenting on my feeling (perception, intuition) that happen to align with the people I met there and the experience I had. By your logic, if anybody died anywhere without obvious explainable, natural cause, it is dangerous. I don't buy it. I would much rather focus on the people LIVING there, and it being a happy and beautiful place.
There was s lady murdered and a goanna would climb a rock every day to feed on her. Someone thought that is unusual a goanna crawling up there everyday. They discovered half s corpse. ?
Her name was Elise Dallenange, a Belgium girl and had been part of the Sathya Sai Baba Cult movement and had lived with a self proclaimed guru. This occurred in April 2017.
@@grahamvermish5955 I remember, she committed suicide after burning down her bungalow. She also tried to throw herself in front of a train in Bangkok...poor girl, RIP
@@sdevelter Thanks Steve. That is very sad. People commiting suicide just don't want to be where they are in that moment. I recently went to the suicide of a 10 year old boy. I am a police member. It was quite disturbing. May they all RIP. 🙏
@@grahamvermish5955 she did not commit suicide or burn down her bungalow. She booked a ferry ticket to leave. Her luggage made it onto the ferry, she did not.
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That is a very strange comment. The vast majority of gun owners are not criminals, be they nationals or foreigners. I write as a foreigner living in USA.
@Charlotte McNair she was a dive instructor on a small tropical island,and decided to get an illegal firearm. What type of person does that? There's no shooting range on Koh Tao,it's completely dodgy. Her partner was arrested for armed robbery on Koh Samui too. She's a criminal, and hangs around with criminals.
If I was on thailand id own a gun. I'm an accountant not a criminal and I do archery I the UK. So does that make me a criminal. Your comment has no logic or critical thinking. There are dangerous places around the world and you are responsible for your own safety. Jumping to the conclusion that people that but guns are criminals is very strange.
It seems that you are advertising a book that is making profit from others distress. This book will in no way provide any answers for any of the parents involved, but will just add to the controversies surrounding cases. I believe the perceived 'help' she thinks she is giving is only adding to parents distress. She is no expert, particularly not a DNA expert. As I am the mother of David Miller who was murdered by the two Myanmar men on Koh Tao in 2014, I think I have a right to dispute Suzanne Buchanan's beliefs about this case. The DNA is sound, it was from semen, which cannot be countered. The Myanmar are guilty as proved in court. Social Media is to blame for causing others to think otherwise and Suzanne Buchanan used her position as sole writer and editor for Samui Times to spread rumour and speculation.
I am a legal practitioner in Perth, Western Australia. I do not believe that Sue M has any legal training whatsoever. I have 30 years of academic training and practical experience of “expert evidence” and the rules of evidence. I have also attended courts in Thailand and noted that Thai courts do not follow the same careful rules of evidence that are observed by Western courts. I could tell as early as July 2015 when senior Thai police officers stated that they had “lost” or “used up” the original mixed semen sample supposedly found on Hannah that the prosecution case would be dismissed in a Western court in the first moments of a trial upon a submission of “no case to answer.” This is because the so-called DNA evidence would be inadmissible. There were multiple other glaring defects with the DNA evidence. Indeed, Jane Taupin the Melbourne forensic scientist and internationally respected expert in the field told me that the “DNA evidence” that the prosecution presented was “meaningless.” The reasons are far too extensive to outline in this comment. However, one should have faith in the observations of an expert in forensic science and a senior legal practitioner rather than the mere assertions of a lay person leaving a non-expert comment here.
@@thailandjustice3017 You obviously do not understand DNA and are no expert. This is not the place to discuss DNA samples and where they were found. There is no doubt about the guilt of the Myanmar. And whoever you are hiding under the name "Thailand Justice' you have also helped to make the suffering of parents harder to bear after all we have been through.
@@steveaustin1984 I am not looking for peace, Steven. I just want to voice my concerns that under an umbrella of social justice there are those on social media who spread rumours and misinformation. They are not experts, but certainly are opinionated. They seem to think they do good, but they are just gossip mongers with nothing better to do with their lives . I just hope they take a long hard look at themselves. Thailand Justice, Suzanne Buchanan and even this page are all responsible for spreading gossip. Do you think this is morally ok?
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The murderers are still there waiting for the next victims. The police 🚔 knows who are the murderer but they get paid to be silent. I hope tourists becareful with their life. One life, protect it
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Tim, this is very fascinating and also Extremely Disturbing at the same time, but I guess I have new reading material now. Great job on the Interview revisiting this tragic incident. Thank you
Obviously very careful not to say anything that might cause them to be sued. I think EVERYONE knows who was responsible but money got in the way of truth and justice.
I was in Kho Tao in 2012 ....... during my first holiday in Thailand.......... and I have NEVER gone back. Lesson: NEVER go out late night on a lonely beach.... alone, or with just 2 people.
Fine,,,,, if it's a group of guys........ healthy guys, but never alone.
** Same for Hawaii ! I lived on the Big Island, and white tourists / visitors got attacked there, and you never got to see that in the news.
What happend to you that you „learned your lesson „?
This: There is no real rule of law in Thailand. The law is subjective and dispensed at whim by whoever is adjudicating on the day. As a foreign tourist, or a Burmese at the bottom of the socio-economic spectrum, you've basically go no rights. Why? Because you lack wealth, influence and status. That is the basis of Thai law. That is why wealthy Thais are able to get away with murder. Once again, there is no real rule of law in Thailand. If you're a foreign tourist and you choose to get involved in illegal activities (drug use) you're leaving yourself open to the worst possible outcomes you could imagine.
sadly it is the same the world over, America and Britain included. Young poor and black in America you cannot afford a top lawyer or any lawyer for that matter. Russia is run by the mafia and the top Don is Putin, you can see what is unfolding there. This is a problem all throughout history. Our monarchy's history is littered with bloodshed... King Henry was a tyrant. It will never change.
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Ive been told the killer is one kid with his 2 friends who is the son of the wealthy family who developed or owns most of the land and thus secured police in thier pocket
Well.youre slightly right
The family own n control it all.
As for anything else you said, I
Wouldn't .
It's as deep as the sea and the their ancestors where sea gypsy and pirates.
That's all I'd say n all I will.
Lets just say, i wont be going without a few of my very large and tough mates, just to be safe..
And yet young westerners will still flock there . I personally will never set foot on ko Tao
Well done Thaiger for this video.
That is true..backpackers die all over..but in most cases the cause of death is explained or obvious. The deaths on ko tao are so strange.
Couldn't agree more, Franziska
The entire case stinks to high heavens.
Fantastic coverage of an appallingly controversial story. I bought the book while watching the programme. Another Tim Newton great presentation.
Please read the book and watch the documentary my son Ben fell victim on the island in 2012, Suzanne has been a great support to all of us parents who have tragically lost a child 💔
Hi Pat, I'm David Miller's mother. Suzanne Buchanan was no help to me whatsoever, in fact she has been the opposite. I watched the recent documentary on all the deaths on Koh Tao and obviously David's murder was prominent. I find Suzanne Buchanan manipulative beyond belief. She tried to persuade me that David's murderers were innocent and when I didn't join in her views she resorted to accusing me of taking money! Because of that I know she is a liar. There are lots of accidents on this island because it is so vibrant with young people. But for her to write a book about these tragedies and to self proclaim that she knows something more than us is just wicked and morally corrupt. She is trying to give false hope whilst protesting about the innocence of both rapists and murderers....'her little boys". As a mother I think it is so important to stand up against bullies and she has proved to me that she is one.
@@suem6674 I'm sorry about your loss Sue, those who know Suzanne know she's a manipulative, lying criminal who doesn't think twice about stirring up false hope with the lies she peddles
@@sdevelter thank you so much for replying. Deliberate or not Suzanne Buchanan's actions have done so much harm to the innocent (and I don't mean two Myanmar murderers!), but she will have to live knowing that her 'angels' are in prison for their crimes where they can think on them for a very long time. She has got away with her manipulation too long and I hope more people begin to understand this.
Hi Pat, so sorry for your loss. It was initially & incorrectly believed that Ben was wearing a watch at the time of his terrible bike accident, and that this watch was missing / stolen thereby adding some credibility to the story he was robbed. Now that it transpires from your own son Mark who was on holiday with Ben that he never wore a watch. Mark has studied all the holiday photos, Ben is never seen wearing a watch. I quote your own son Mark in the Sky documentary Episode 3 of 3 at around 25 minutes, "there is no evidence/ nothing concrete / no facts to suggest anything else than an accident happened" and Pat in your own words when the interviewer told you there was no watch with the theory he was robbed you yourself said "Ive been going down the wrong road"
@@suem6674 I fell so sorry listen these words, sorry for your loss, but i am sure Suzanne know the truth, i think you just want elaborate the loss and draw the conclusion that the two Burmese boys did it, for your own in peace , ok accept that, but do not say suzanne is a liar ! you been too rude . it is well known that Tailand police is not the best in the world, is all about money there as alike prostitution it is illegal , but it is well known everywhere and free in front the governament. in my opinion Suzanne is a good person and honest and did well written the book, i saw the documentary and i am reading the book which is quite interesting to who wants to go ko tao and advise youth that is not all wonderful as it is said and see on tv. sorry my english.
Koh Tao didn't give me good vibes: I was there in 2006 and my bill was 2000 baht more then agreed. So I complained! He told me: pay up, or we put drugs in ur hut and call Police!!! Needless to say, I never went back there!
Which bar ..help out ppl who just holiday here
@@borstalD91239 unfotionitly I don't remember the Name, it was to long ago 😥
The 2 innocent young burmese men are still is jail , now they are declared innocent by law but still life sentenced in jail . Seriously ? -
They dug up the deceased male's phone out the back of accused bungalow. They claim they found it on the beach days after the murder and that is the story they have stuck to till this day. Quite a coincidence given both accused where drunk and playing guitar 50 meters away from the crime scene that night and their semen were left at the crime scene. both guilty as sin.
@@timmyg44so... Fell bad theme 😢
Very interesting story, I am Thai and never know what going on behind the island didn’t know it’s a mystery island with the danger .
Learning to dive on the mainland at Chumphon is cheaper, just as much fun, and perhaps less dangerous
Travel agencies around the world should be advised of this and be able to help stop tourists going there and the trafficking in Bangkok of women and children speaks volumes about Thailand and it's failed corrupt disgusting Govt.
Just watched your superb interview with Andrew Gold. You are a very brave compassionate woman. ❤️
I remember seeing the two Burmese men being paraded in front of the world news. I often wondered if they were guilty or innocent. Years later I watched this interview. After watching it I went out and ordered the book I always wanted to know the truth. The book was very informative and I learnt a lot that I didn’t know. I would recommend it to anybody who is really interested.
They were patsy’s
Looking at number of suspicious deaths, I wonder where the 'key families' that run Koh Tao fit into this horrible story?
I don't know anyone who ever bought into the story of the two Burmese suspects. Saving face is everything in Thailand. If you somehow disrespect a Thai national, be very careful. You will be a marked tourist/expat.
So true, better to pay even if your right than die. You cannot win in Thailand. Although I had a massage 200bt/ 2 hrs. I didn't want happy ending, girl left and I got my money back. I didn't yell or push the issue. Long time ago.
The complete island is a no go for me! Bad local people abound! They are 'untouchable'! I was offshore Unocal in the late 80's. I saw what the 'fishermen' were doing to the Vietnamese boat people that drifted towards our complex! The ones that got through to the 'liberty barge' were the lucky ones!
I was on Koh Phangan at the time. All the locals were sharing pics of the murder scene. There was no security of the crime scene. Lots of people knows who really did this.
@@robinhazell6019 the best police force money can buy ?
I have been to most of the islands in Thailand but i will never go to Koh Tao
September 15, Date of murder.
September 20, Y chromosome DNA tests identify DNA of 2 Asian men.
October 1, They were arrested.
October 2, They pleads guilty to murder claiming they turned on after seeing the victims making love.
October 3, demonstrate at the crime scene with healthy appearance, not tired and sometimes smiled.
- Scotland Yard officers already came to Thailand to inspect the investigation and never mentioned any false tests. The only thing that they concerned is that the crime scene might be confounded from the villagers who come by to see the crime scene.
- But DNA results clearly show only DNAs from 2 Asian men, so there is no confounding.
- In court, they claimed they were assaulting by the interpreter ----> The 1st defendant refused and was attacked by an interpreter and threatened that If not accepted, they will be attacked and killed and thrown in the middle of the sea. If accepting, they will be in prison for only 4 to 5 years. Later, the interpreter said that the 2nd defendant had been arrested and spoke to the 2nd defendant by phone. The 2nd defendant said that he was beaten to death ----> No convincible evidence was shown in the court anyway.
Many murder cases in America link to the murderers from DNA found in rugs, cars, clothes, etc, after keeping the evidence for more than 20 years and reanalyze them because of the development of DNA technology. Why DNA found deep in vajayjay can't be used to link to the murderers?
This is nuts.. an arrest warrant for her just for writing what happened to this young girl..just don't want any bad publicity so let's sweep it under the carpet eh!
Just a few points as a retired senior detective.
DNA - contamination is a real issue indeed and would certainly make it difficult to cross match evidence to a suspect, but when collected correctly it is indeed far more accurate and far more scientific than fingerprints.
Fingerprints - for many years, I'd go as far as saying at least about 20 years, as a result of a case and trial in the UK, are no longer a matter of FACT, rather a matter of opinion, based on the level of expertise of the person doing the analysis and comparison. (One of the cases concerned a supposed fingerprint match at a crime scene to that of a female police officer. She was charged with perjury, later dismissed after an enquiry).
In the case of the couple murdered on the beach, I think I got this from a tv program covering the case, that 'suggested' 'Thai mafia' involvement, and some cctv footage regarding movement of some key individual(s) close to the scene at or around the same time as the incident took place. Can't remember much more about it as it was some years ago.
Take a look at the Pattaya murders and the people who jump from condos on a weekly basis
So their Thai woman get the condo after the ‘suicide’
what really ramps it all up is that apparently one family "owns" the island and there is virtually no police presence (3, and rumor is they, like many are paid off or fear "reprecussions"). I've read that the island was virtually uninhabited even as recently as 1940s. Very curious. Could be made a government park, run by the gov for tourism. 13 guys have jumped to their death AT Suvarnabhumi Airport rather than go home. It's not impossible that a few of these deaths might be this, or just accidents. But the ones involving pretty young women does raise a few red flags. AND the Indian COUPLE that BOTH drowned in their pool? There is enough conflicting or NO evidence to make one wonder.
Owned by one family who reputedly deliver the vote at elections.
John
Just bought the book. Thanks for your work.
Yeah great update on this topic mystery
The Thai authorities never let the facts (autopsy and DNA) keep them from creating their own self serving cause of death. The fact that they refuse to bring the red bull heir to justice only proves they can be paid off. That this author has an outstanding arrest warrant is disgusting. Everyone going to Thailand should keep this in mind and hope they don't run afoul of the Thai police. I can think of few countries with more corrupt authorities.
Can I see autopsy and DNA of JonBenet Ramsey case?
I remember the arrest of the 2 burmese men.. first thing I thought of was that they were innocent and were being arrested because they were burmese. Thailand has LOTS of crime committed by thai gangs which are protected by the thai police ( which is worst then the gangs). All countries which have a large tourist trade has the same problem.
Could you give me an example of that case?
Next video on the amazing numbers of unfortunate foreigners dying of falling from balconies?
We call it The Pattaya Flying Club over here.
So after all of this time why is no one doing anything about trying to get this poor woman’s arrest warrant removed? She’s done nothing but try to tell the truth and see justice prevail.
do what?
Corruption dude. Just don't go there. Last victims were two wealthy Indian girl owners who drowned in a swimming pool that was closed off to public and staff send nothing. Venetian were not wishing at this 5 start resort..... Sure!
if I remember correcttly, Koh Tao used to be a prison for political prisoners back in the old days. maybe that's where the curse come from?
Right, and they're descended from the pirates who ruled the seas not very long ago.
Exactely
Look at the Joe Ferrari case the Police told the hospital what to put as the cause of the death.
I lived Samui 1994 for 5-6 years, anyone who lives / lived there and gets on with everyone well knows the score on how to adapt to the Asian way of thinking and the minds of Thai men.
Thai Society has a very very violent dark side especially in the beach resorts and islands towards tourists , stich ups, rapes , etc etc it's just never reported
. I was told by a retired Millitary Thai friend of mine, prior to tourism , the land on the seafront was regarded as cheap worthless land with just coconuts, so land was given to the bad boys of the families, well now the bad boys control most things in Thai tourist places.
thais dont like bad publicity.
@Tawan Paradize they like rich ferangs ,to sell daughters to.
Too many deaths to be coincidental and when's the dental and ivorty experience some type some Thai culture that doesn't care if foreigners are there or alive the foreigner needs to pay... Will I go there not likely there are other places in the world to go Thailand oh Thailand has been over saturated with did it with foreign money and They can be quite jaded
I really want to travel to ko toa but I'm scared to go solo I'll probably have to stick to koh phangan and other Thai islands
I think there are more people died from motobike accident than being murdered on KohTao for the past ten years. bad things just happen. Keep a low profile, don't get drunk and I think you'll be just fine. I've been there dozen times. it's a lovely island.
It's safe in groups. The killer only strikes loners.
Phangan is just as bad, but fairly safe if you're careful after dark.
I just returned from 5 weeks on Koh Tao, and found it to be a completely wonderful and magical place. I didn't feel unsafe in any way for one second.
Perfect safe island..do not worry at all. I've been there many times on my own and also with others.
how about the couple who died mysteriously on the island?
Went very quiet eh
Don't you think the same happened also in Phuket plenty of times?🤔.. I think so. This is the dark side of Thailand. Welcome
You've also got the pattaya flying club
@@fair98fair Exactely man. Only place in the world where people fly without wings😉😏
Yep i was drugged by the DJ in the Suzy Wong bar in Phuket. He asked me what floor i was on in my hotel and i said the first floor and he was very disappointed. Don’t go to that country! Read Thailand : Deadly Destination by John Stapleton for the truth on the many deaths to foreigners that occur there.
Thai Gangs run Kho Tao
If i was a betting man i'm guessing involvement with the big factions on the island, crime scene manipulated police bribed, real killers hidden or moved elsewhere in thailand ...need i say more...Purely speculation of course
I love Thailand and Koh Tao was my crush and most favorite island, which I have visited couple of times. Unfortunately after all this information coming out, I would never ever go there again. It seems there is mafia ruling over the police and country, nowhere safe to be anymore. I heard stories all round Thailand, not only from Koh Tao. It seems a human life has no much value there, especially outsiders.
I thought thai is safe they always say Philippines is dangerous so that tourist will go to thier country clever thai people
Even
Many Thai people on that island do not believe those Burmese did it
They were in the wrong place at the wrong time
Isn't it funny, it's not on Netflix here in Thailand
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No surprise to me. This family is untouchable, they would lose their face once again.
Why someone would go to a place called " the murder island"?
This deserved at least an hour!!!! That's it????? 13 minutes????? Probe her on the dets!
Even the 2 guys dna was not the same that Thai police find
They just leying to us and innocent people are in jail for playing guitar around 50m😢
Hey guys, her name is not Sue. It is Suzanne.
If you google Sue Buchanan, the findings will refer to another author.
Please stop calling these investigators police it taints the name of real Detectives around the world.
everyone whether Thai, foreigners or Myanmar when asked if they believe the two Myanmar boys charged are guilty all proclaim absolutely not.
They were made scapegoats.
The killer are the mafia in the Island
@@EURODANCE1992everybody knows but corruption is can do anything possible because that 2 poor Burmese guys are just a picture for showing people's 😢
Mafia
"We can recommend it even though I haven't even read it!" Sums up the journalistic standards of this channel.
Interesting
That’s crazy how many tourist have been murdered. No discretion for human life at all.
I saw the docu on TH-cam..."Murder in paradise (Crime documentary)"
every where in the world are nice islands, en every paradise have a boogie man
Thanks Tim... What about the couple who died in the pool there?
I cannot ever get that spread eagle body image out of my head.
What will happen to her house Koh Samui, is it possible to sell it?
@@rs5801 Thanks for the reply. Interesting.
Sue Buchanan on her new upcoming book ‘The curse of the turtle’ which is regarding the true story behind the backpacker murders and the mystery surrounding this island. just love journalist who spin things, who's truth is this
different countries do things in different ways
Did you know that according to the statistics Phuket has the highest murder rate in Thailand? In comparison to Koh Tao, if the population would be equal, it is 5 times higher. How about them Apples?
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often referred to as Murder Island...
no..Death Island...
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Nothing wrong the country is the people are the problem no matter which country u live in
I ate Indian last night and this morning had the Curse of the Turtle-head
Still farting onion pakoras after a year most probably
The world is not like your home country. Just as you would expect people to adapt a little when visiting or staying in your country, you should do the same when visiting other countries. One of the big problems I've seen personally in Thailand, mostly on the islands of Samui, Phangan (my home) and Tao, is that visitors are just plain rude. Rudeness, or being rude to Thai people, in Thailand can put you in real danger, real quick. So if you intend on visiting - wise up: understanding the culture and how to be polite and respectful in a country you're visiting is really the minimum if you're expecting the same in return. This is where the problems start most of the time.
I live on Phangan in a Thai community. Best place I've ever lived. I have an open space downstairs where there's all sorts of things that people could try and steal and not once have I ever had a problem with a Thai person here. Foreigners, yes. Nearly every day. But Thais, no.
Thailand is a wonderous place and the islands in particular still have a magic about them that's been drained from most places in the Western world. Come, tread lightly, pay even just the minimum of respect to locals and you'll find a paradise unlost.
Nice reporting Thaiger. I just wish this has made it's way into the past by now. It's nearly been a decade after all... :\
if you a rude,,then murder is justified? Stupidest thing I've read all day. If your child was dead, you'd want answers.
I feel the same. some time I go on a morning run on this small path by the beach, seeing all these empty beer bottles and trash every where just makes me sad.
respect your rapist - is that your message ?
being 'rude' does not justify getting murdered.
@@terencebates6808 Of course it doesn’t. No one is suggesting that for one minute. I’m just giving my observations as someone who has lived next door to Koh Tao for many years. And maybe I know just a little more to the story than what’s reported. In fact, it’s the best unkept secret on the islands. Most people know who did it and why. And trust me, my point about respect and rudeness goes directly to the heart of how these things kick off. I didn’t make it that way. But that’s definitely the way it is. Take it or leave it. Sounds like you’re better off leaving it.
You only have to watch murder in paradise on you tube ....how many murders ?????
Lol, if you choose to believe that bullshit. Check the sources
I still believe it was hype & myth creation, driven by other jealous authorities from other island & mainland jurisdictions. With convenient scape goats in two Burmese nationals. Koh Tao is a dive mecca with fabulous dive sites. Many dive operators from Samui etc. initially profited from Koh Tao's "Death Island" reputation. The real culprit/s left the island that night more than likely or is high in the food chain.
Then your brain cells are malfunctioning.21 deaths since 2014 under dodgy circumstances. The person believed to have done it slashed a man's throat in 2020. The only myth creation is from the police on this island
Scooby-Doo
They dug up the deceased male's phone out the back of accused bungalow. They claim they found it on the beach days after the murder and that is the story they have stuck to till this day. Quite a coincidence given both accused where drunk and playing guitar 50 meters away from the crime scene that night and their semen were left at the crime scene. both guilty as sin.
Monsod. Little Duck.
I knew the word for turtle in Thai but I spell it in my head' towel ' so I can remember it, only used it once.
But you still didnt tell us "what really happened there'.
spooky.
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I just returned from 5 wonderful weeks on Koh Tao. I didn't feel unsafe for one second. Sadly, some of the expats that live and work there talk about how this old story is still hurting business. Though the tragedy of loss for these families is timeless, I question the value of rehashing the story over and over again. (I guess it might sell books.)
It's fine unless you get murdered.
Your one of the lucky ones then
@@faaf1234 No. Nobody killed anybody for quite some time. I was actually commenting on my feeling (perception, intuition) that happen to align with the people I met there and the experience I had. By your logic, if anybody died anywhere without obvious explainable, natural cause, it is dangerous. I don't buy it. I would much rather focus on the people LIVING there, and it being a happy and beautiful place.
@@katday2494 One of the hundreds of thousands of lucky ones? Your reply sounds like you expect the majority of visitor to Koh Tao to be murdered.
A hairy middle aged white man found it 'safe' - LOL
It happens all around Thailand why single out Koh Tao?
Because that is the theme what the show is based upon on this current episode
The count is much higher I believe
All over wow
Where was Charles sobhraj at the time????
Prison
Ask any Thai who the murder is. They go to a ... University in Bkk.
What a complete fabrication. Do you mean a member of the Toovichien famiy? I
a blind man could tell u who done it
There was s lady murdered and a goanna would climb a rock every day to feed on her. Someone thought that is unusual a goanna crawling up there everyday. They discovered half s corpse. ?
Huh?
Her name was Elise Dallenange, a Belgium girl and had been part of the Sathya Sai Baba Cult movement and had lived with a self proclaimed guru. This occurred in April 2017.
@@grahamvermish5955 I remember, she committed suicide after burning down her bungalow. She also tried to throw herself in front of a train in Bangkok...poor girl, RIP
@@sdevelter Thanks Steve. That is very sad. People commiting suicide just don't want to be where they are in that moment. I recently went to the suicide of a 10 year old boy. I am a police member. It was quite disturbing. May they all RIP. 🙏
@@grahamvermish5955 she did not commit suicide or burn down her bungalow. She booked a ferry ticket to leave. Her luggage made it onto the ferry, she did not.
Death island
the lady means well.
Put that pencil away or you'll stick it into your eye sooner or later.
In his newer videos he uses a dagger. Much safer.
@@Joe-mz6dc probably made of mutton
good series on sky now, well worth a watch....not the only murder there of back packers
Don't miss part 3
@@suem6674 watched all 3. Won't ever go there.
What's it called please
Was in koh Tao 2019
oh so it seems to be a video to sell a book.
Of course, it's push it in tim
Maybe it’s time for some ‘POSITIVE’ vlogs, to get Thailand back on its feet once again, need to PROMOTE the great things, this Paradise still has to OFFER, to the awaiting world. 🤔 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I find it hard to trust a woman who admits owning a gun in Thailand - what sort of person goes to live abroad and buys a gun?? A criminal, that's who.
That is a very strange comment. The vast majority of gun owners are not criminals, be they nationals or foreigners. I write as a foreigner living in USA.
@@HemiChrysler I'm not talking about the USA, i'm talking about Thailand.
@Charlotte McNair she was a dive instructor on a small tropical island,and decided to get an illegal firearm. What type of person does that? There's no shooting range on Koh Tao,it's completely dodgy. Her partner was arrested for armed robbery on Koh Samui too. She's a criminal, and hangs around with criminals.
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If I was on thailand id own a gun. I'm an accountant not a criminal and I do archery I the UK. So does that make me a criminal. Your comment has no logic or critical thinking. There are dangerous places around the world and you are responsible for your own safety. Jumping to the conclusion that people that but guns are criminals is very strange.
They done it, allright.!
Why would u think that ?
@@bigal2417 Just a wild guess m8,...ffs!
Dont reply u knobhead.5555555555
@@lilly10snowy97 you're the knob head here.
Orelsan
It seems that you are advertising a book that is making profit from others distress. This book will in no way provide any answers for any of the parents involved, but will just add to the controversies surrounding cases. I believe the perceived 'help' she thinks she is giving is only adding to parents distress. She is no expert, particularly not a DNA expert. As I am the mother of David Miller who was murdered by the two Myanmar men on Koh Tao in 2014, I think I have a right to dispute Suzanne Buchanan's beliefs about this case. The DNA is sound, it was from semen, which cannot be countered. The Myanmar are guilty as proved in court. Social Media is to blame for causing others to think otherwise and Suzanne Buchanan used her position as sole writer and editor for Samui Times to spread rumour and speculation.
You obviously didn't understand the comments about 'mixed samples', did you?
I am a legal practitioner in Perth, Western Australia. I do not believe that Sue M has any legal training whatsoever. I have 30 years of academic training and practical experience of “expert evidence” and the rules of evidence. I have also attended courts in Thailand and noted that Thai courts do not follow the same careful rules of evidence that are observed by Western courts. I could tell as early as July 2015 when senior Thai police officers stated that they had “lost” or “used up” the original mixed semen sample supposedly found on Hannah that the prosecution case would be dismissed in a Western court in the first moments of a trial upon a submission of “no case to answer.” This is because the so-called DNA evidence would be inadmissible. There were multiple other glaring defects with the DNA evidence. Indeed, Jane Taupin the Melbourne forensic scientist and internationally respected expert in the field told me that the “DNA evidence” that the prosecution presented was “meaningless.” The reasons are far too extensive to outline in this comment. However, one should have faith in the observations of an expert in forensic science and a senior legal practitioner rather than the mere assertions of a lay person leaving a non-expert comment here.
@@thailandjustice3017 You obviously do not understand DNA and are no expert. This is not the place to discuss DNA samples and where they were found. There is no doubt about the guilt of the Myanmar. And whoever you are hiding under the name "Thailand Justice' you have also helped to make the suffering of parents harder to bear after all we have been through.
@@steveaustin1984 I am not looking for peace, Steven. I just want to voice my concerns that under an umbrella of social justice there are those on social media who spread rumours and misinformation. They are not experts, but certainly are opinionated. They seem to think they do good, but they are just gossip mongers with nothing better to do with their lives . I just hope they take a long hard look at themselves. Thailand Justice, Suzanne Buchanan and even this page are all responsible for spreading gossip. Do you think this is morally ok?
@@KOHTAOMURDERSDEATHISLAND AKA Property Lawyer!
Not impressed with her book
Why is that
did you read it
Because you're from Thailand