Could Felines Survive The Cretaceous?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- What would happen if modern felines roamed the Cretaceous? More specifically, what if they roamed North America during the Late Cretaceous? In this video, we drop a number of felines into this unique ecosystem and discuss how well they would perform against this prehistoric environment. From environment, to hunting to competition, we figure out if our modern day apex predators are really that impressive!
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The fact the jaguar isn't on this list is a war crime
how do you know?
Agree. Heavier and stronger than a leopard, jaguars are well adapted to jungle environments. These guys hunt caimans and succeed so they’re already taking dinosaurs in one sense.
@@RonHaynes I'm talking to Darkest Twilight, not you.
Thanks for the shout-out! I love to see more paleotubers following this trend.
I just realized I have both of your channel's videos in watch later right beside of eachother. Definitely can't get enough of this trend!
Lol Once i heard this guyy saying tigers take éléphant and rhino down alone and a tiger is equal to a pride of lions i didnt took him serious anymore
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Jaguars would probably fare well. They are already used to preying on reptiles in habitats similar to the environment described in this video. Reptiles are an integral part of their diet if I’m not mistaken, including caimans, anacondas, and river turtles. They have a strong bite force, can swim well, and I presume that they can climb reasonably well. The climate would probably not affect them much at all. It would have been interesting to have seen them incorporated into this video. They would probably do well in marshy or river areas where prey and cover is abundant.
This. Any theropods small enough might just be crocodilians with extra steps (literally).
They can probably evolve to be on a triangular blood feud with subadult Utahraptor and juvenile Tyrannosaurus.
Also Jaguars do live in North America kinda weird he didn’t include one of the North American cats for a hell creek video!
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Huh?
@@zakaryloreto6526 they live in the south not North there are no jaguars in Canada they only live in places like Mexico.
Jaguar bits force have nothing on a rex
Who would likely be the best big cat in this environment: Jaguars. The strongest bite relative to it's own weight, swims well, hunts reptilians on a daily basis and are avid tree climbers(not as good as leopards, but they can adapt to fit the ambush predator role).
a jaguar is getting smoked once he jumps in the cretacous waters realizing these are not 6ft caimans but instead 30ft suchomimuses 3:22
@@jingkoyestrada5844 You’re acting like Jaguars are stupid, they already evolved alongside 20ft black caiman in the Amazon, and guess what, they don’t try to prey on the 20ft caiman because they’re not brain dead. They only prey on young caiman and smaller crocodilians, there’s no reason why they would suddenly change their behavior in the Cretaceous and become suicidally stupid as you’re suggesting.
Also Jaguars would probably be able to grow to the size of Tiger with larger prey being available. During the Ice age Jaguars were the most common predators and weighed up to 200kg
@@Dell-ol6hb Exactly. People think that to be adapted means being the undisputed apex predator and/or never being at risk, Wich isn't the case even in their current environments.
@@greasher926 For sure. Bigger prey can lead to bigger potential for gigantism since they can get more nutrients from it.
5:54 I love that beetles consist enough of a leopards diet that it's listed as one of the prey items that are "on the menu"
In terms of success, any cat larger than a Leopard would have a hard time competing with Dinosaurs.
In one on one fight
No big cat is beating bigger therapods
In terms of just surviving the time period
They could as smaller animals at the time didt die out so bigger cats could manage likely
You mean no big cat is beating a heavier theropod
Many theropods are bigger but too light thats why I think cats can compete very well@@HadesGamesolosgowverseandkrato
Yea pretty much
Larger/Heavier therapods like a t rex or giganotosaurus
I think big cats could survive in the cretaceous period
But its the same way kinda bugs do
Like ofc a bug cant fight off a tiger but they can hide and or get away easily
Which would be the main way of survival for these cats if they were to go in that time period
A direct fight scenario tho, Is legit not even fair
T rex rips apart a whole pack of tigers
I mean they would evolve differently,and could have gotten way bigger
On planes, dinosaur will rules.
But in dense forest? Big cats can manage
Jaguar > Leopard for the time, but both adaptable. I'd also like the odds of a Mountain Lion over the Cheetah. So many different outcomes. Great video and thank you
Jaguar is an overrated animal. Leopards are the much better cat
Please explain how
Another advantage every feline has is that they are significantly faster and more agile than any dinosaur of that era except for ornithomimids. Because of this I believe escaping any encounter wouldn’t be too difficult if they aren’t caught off guard.
Leopards have been recorded hunting crocodiles and fish in swamps, so I think they would do ok. Jaguar would have been interesting as they are from wet jungle habitats
leopards do not hunt crocodiles, they hunt caimans, big difference
@@fidgc6774 That's a Jaguar, caimans come from the americas . Leopards have been recorded hunting juvenile and sub-adult crocodiles. They obviously wouldn't be able to go after a fully grown crocodile.
@@fidgc6774 black caimans can reach 20ft,thye're not small AT ALL,jaguars do not prey on them commonly,and if they do,they need it to go on land or to ambush it in shallow water and are probably desperate,jaguars won't of course prey on deinosuchuses,maybe juvenile ones or small sized sub adults,but the adults are too big.
@@lorenz178 they do prey on caimans, just not 20ft black ones obviously
@@fidgc6774 yep.
Jaguar being the uncontested better leopard and pound for pound most powerful big cat, would definitely have been the best pick for this video. Should’ve there instead of the cheetah lmao because why
You should use the jaguar instead of the cheetah. Jaguar is very multifunctional, cheetah is very specialized.
Cheetah is not only specialized, but a reaction to modern gracing animals having speed as main defense.
This would be bad when most prey use other defenses and there are many predators that are fast.
I've thought about mammals surviving in the time of the dinosaurs before. My general conclusion was that mammals which depended on their size for survival would all die (elephants, rhinos, hippos, etc), because the dinosaurs outclass them. Mammals that could hide in trees (like the leopard) would do fine, because they could simply avoid the confrontations that they couldn't win. Burrowing mammals would also do fine. Cetaceans would probably kick a$$.
Big cats would probably be much smarter than any dinosaur, and they are efficient killers of animals near their own size. They are also extremely sneaky. I bet the leopard, for instance, would be an absolute nightmare for any small sized dinosaur (including juveniles), and could simply avoid the large predatory adults by climbing trees. The juvenile dinosaurs would be getting killed quietly in their sleep and dragged up a tree and the parents wouldn't be smart enough to figure out what was happening.
I agree with rhinos for they are solitary creatures, but elephants are analogous to not only hadrosaurs in terms that they herd but also have superior weaponry to them akin the ceratopsians, with their combined intelligence and long memories they would most definitely pass their cultural knowledge to their herd and they would survive, not with ease at first but they would adapt. Plus carnivores don’t attack prey they aren’t used to. Hippos on the other hand will have to compete with the big crocs but they too live in big groups and they are semi aquatic. And I doubt the spinosaurus would try fishing the hippo. The issue would be what they eat cause hippos eat grass.
@@juritudi57yearsago59 I hadn't thought to compare elephants to hadrosaurs before. I just thought that T Rex hunted more fearsome prey than elephants, so that the elephant's intelligence might not help much. I guess it would come down to whether the elephant could outrun a T rex or could beat it in a fight. I imagine a T rex might just sidestep a charging elephant and bite its neck, and then the elephant is done. But I guess we don't know how agile t rex was. Another issue is that elephants probably reproduce a lot slower than any other comparatively sized dinosaur, so they really could not afford to be killed very often. As for hippos, I just figured there were giant crocs back then that ate dinosaurs, so they'd probably eat hippos too.
Smarter than any dinos? Dromaeosaurs are supose to be Raven-live brain, ima not count whit this
@@HagdoBr Well, I guess I don't know as much about dinosaurs as some other people. But I thought it was still speculation how smart they were, and that the general evolutionary trend was that animals got smarter with time.
@@brendangolledge8312 People just assume that dinosaurs are less intelligent because they are reptiles, but if we were to compare them, it would be the same thing as mammals, with several unrelated lineages being very intelligent, such as elephants and cetaceans. What I learned is that dinosaurs in general are as intelligent as birds and the most intelligent are supposed to be the Dromaeosaurs. so mammals have no advantage in this regard.
With all due respect Tiger's tree climbing skills can't be remotely compared to leopards...
They are a little bit better than lions if not as lousy (relatively speaking).
Yeah, it’s significantly harder to pull up 500 plus pounds of lion or tiger up a tree than a 150 pounder leopard.
@@MrAtrox98 I think there's other factors outside of weight, because bears are heavy and they can still climb trees without much problem
@@MrAtrox98 Exactly!
And in the Age of Reptiles being a large mammal won't necessarily help
(in terrestrial biomes).
That's not the only wrong thing here about tiger the Bengal average is 190 like south African lion at best some populations will reach 210 average
@@josevitorag bears do have greater dexterity with their paws, but even black bears-despite being able to shoot up trees like overgrown squirrels at smaller sizes-have a harder time of it if we’re talking about large males. Still better than a person by a long shot and better than a similarly sized grizzly’s blunter claws, but greater size is a hindrance. It’s doubtful the 1,100 pound record holder shot in New Bruinswick for example was doing much tree climbing once he fully matured.
The fact that leopards drag their prey up trees would be a major contributor to serving in an environment with mega carnivores
there is a big issue with this though, since African Elephants have the strength to topple trees, it is likely that many even larger predatory dinosaurs could also just get the leopard down by knocking the tree over.
@@windhelmguard5295 Trees are extremely limited in the size and type of tres they can push down. I can't remember the dbh and typically can't topple trees that are larger than 8 meters tall. So leopards could easily find trees that would be large enough to escape. It is also dependent on whether the predatory dinosaurs large enough to topple a large tree would be aware a leopard has hidden up there and be sufficiently motivated to go through the extreme effort of toppling a tree when they are specialist hunters of massive prey orders of magnitude bigger than a leopard.
So to summarise, there would be trees big enough to be safe and therapods large enough to knock trees down wouldn't be that motivated to do so.
The fact that the tiger has a bfq of 127 is crazy. The largest wild cat in the world with the 2nd highest bfq (behind jaguar and clouded leopard) just shows how the big cat can take down gaur in india and ussuri brown bears in the Russian far east. Cats are magnificent animals.
The largest wild cats are lions not tigers, and both lions and tigers have biteforce of around 1000psi, this guy has taken his sources from tiger fanboi websites. Bengal tigers hardly reach 200kgs in wild, swamp lions are almost two times heavier than normal tigers
@Superpooper-2020 calling people fanboys is funny when you're claiming Botswana lions are twice as heavy, lmao. Craig Packer has confirmed through numerous weights of individuals throughout all of Africa that Kruger lions are the heaviest lions with the largest chest girth of any lion on average. The only tigers who don't reach and exceed 200kg are the Sundarban tigers. Kaziranga, Nepal, Mayannmar, and north Indian Bengals all reach around 220-230kg. The largest wild cats are those tigers. If we took southern sundarban tigers out of the weight equation, then tigers would dominate in size. No, lions do not reach 1,000 lbs psi bite force. Only tigers do, lions don't because of simple physics. They have longer, but more narrow jaws than a tiger does. You don't understand physics, which is typical of people like you. Lions average in the 800s with their bite force and have rarely exceeded 900 psi. Stay uneducated. Don't reply. I'll ignore it because you're very clearly uneducated. You probably don't know a single lion biologist until I mentioned Craig Packer, who's the number 1 leading scientist in terms of studying lions.
@@Superpooper-2020 that's just wrong. Siberian tigers are the largest of big cats. and bengal tigers in sunderbans average around 180-190 kgs. but north indian bengal tigers average around 220 kg. it seems like you are reading datas from articles not from any credible source
Tigers only hunt juvenile and female ussuri brown bears when they are off guard though. They would never hunt a bear of their same weight or even bigger
@@_AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA_ There's documented reports from Russian biologists that tigers hunt adult brown bears, too. There was a 20 year study by a team of Russian biologists that documented 44 incidents between adult tigers and bears. Tigers won 22 times; bears won 12 times; the remainder, neither won. Tigers are unanimously known as the apex predator. Bears aren't known as that in habitats where they coexist because bears make up a part of the tigers diet. Tigers are mostly immune to bear attacks, and aren't hunted by bears. I have facts, and biologists on my side, you have nothing.
So glad you touched on evolutionary changes the cats would under take. Especially the mutual relationships some of them would make. Very fascinating video and your editing is getting better my friend 👌.
Big cats,bears and other mammalian land predators never reached the size of largest theropods.
we all know that
Largest? Even the bigger “small” theropods were as large if not larger than all the big cats and lower end of the medium sized theropods all were as big as Arctotherium and were bigger .
That's true, because they *never needed to* . The environments in which mammalian predators live and lived don't require them to grow to such large sizes. That doesn't mean their weak or boring, however.
@@gecko-saurus well said! spit ur fax!
No shit, no one said they did
Cheetahs don’t go full speed when avoiding competition since they can pace themselves so they just avoid a lion until it leaves
Plus I doubt any raptor or theropod would try and catch a cheetah when there are many sources of easier meals for them to capture.
@@juritudi57yearsago59 and predators in general don’t have much fat on them which is why predators don’t hunt each other, so cheetahs just wouldn’t be anything’s food source unless it’s out of desperation
@@RandomMackem0069bears have plenty of fat on them
@@randomPATTA-ICICLEand apart from humans, whats gonna hunt a bear?
@@mab_25 A Trex, since thats the era the video is about.
You have to also remember that there was a higher oxygen content. This’ll affect their size and endurance with time
Cats are always on high alert, and if I was a glorified chicken of any size, I just wouldn't bother trying to sneak up on one. In fact, I'd be terrified of going to sleep on the ground in a world with big cats. Most birds have pretty bad hearing, especially compared to cats, and cats, with one or two exceptions, are adapted to hunting prey with hearing at least as good as they have. There's a good chance that Dakotaraptor would just become their preferred prey by being a competitor that's easy to sneak up on in the dark.
problem with that is that most theropods like dakotaraptor and even t rex were probably at least partially nocturnal also if dakotaraptors have the balls to take on young t rexes and large ornithomimids i think they would at least attempt ambushing a big cat like a lion or tiger. in a 1v1, there's no way any big cat is beating a dakotaraptor but, leopards and tigers can escape easily via climbing or swimming for the latter. lions would scare off dakotaraptors with their large numbers and cheethas can outrun them but im not too sure how well a chase would go in a dense swampy forest where the dakotaraptor is more familiar with
@@UltimateTH-camr999 We have like a few fragmentary fossils of Dakotaraptor and you know this much about how they would fare against a feline or their predatory behaviors? Golly.
@@gecko-saurus sorry, lemme rephrase my words: "problem with that is that most theropods like dakotaraptor and even t rex were probably at least partially nocturnal (speculation based on other dromaeosaurs) also if dakotaraptors have the balls to take on young t rexes (they lived at the same time and were around the same size so they might have competed for food) and large ornithomimids i think they would at least attempt ambushing a big cat like a lion or tiger (lions and tigers are smaller than most dinos dakotaraptor would likely hunt). in a 1v1, there's no way any big cat is beating a dakotaraptor (dakotaraptor has the weight advantage) but, leopards and tigers can escape easily via climbing or swimming for the latter. lions would scare off dakotaraptors with their large numbers (this is a very effective strategy probably even in the mesozoic) and cheethas can outrun them but im not too sure how well a chase would go in a dense swampy forest where the dakotaraptor is more familiar with. because of all this, i think that a dakotaraptor would do fine among felines.
Calling dinosaurs "glorified chickens" is like calling cats "glorified mice".
@@SomethingLegit1yeah ...
Also chickens today can scare housecats away in fights ...
Give them more weapons and an even more combative instincts and you got an animal that can take out cat ...
I Say the Pallas Cat would obliterate them all
The pallas cat only wins cause it's body is round.
Grumpy face one shots sauropods
All cats would be bullied by dakotaraptors
Smaller mammales like the Pallas Cat, did thrive alongside dinos during millions of years. They are not occupying same niches, totally different so can co exist easier.
I personally would argue that the tigers would lean more into the semi-aquatic niche which (far as we know) wasn't really filled in the Hell's Creek formation. They'd probably become more streamlined and may even develop very simple webbing in their feet. They'd also get skilled at hunting not only crocs but even fresh water mosasaurs as well. The competition against Dakotaraptor and Tyrannosaurs would be mitigated by either roaring intimidation or simple avoidance. Not to mention being small enough for the Adult tyrannosaurus to not pay them much attention.
Didn’t even knew freshwater mosasaurs existed until now
hold up. One: freshwater mosasaurs? all mosasaurs i know are marine lizards so pls name this "hell creek freshwater mosasaur". Two: no way in hell a tiger is beating a MOSASAUR. mosasaurus itself could reach 46 feet and ~15 tons. even smaller mosasaurus like clidastes can reach 20 feet (couldn't find reliable weight info).
@@UltimateTH-camr999there were freshwater mosasaurs, but they were much smaller and snake-like than the 50 ft ones people are more familiar with. Also the guy is still delusion thinking that a tiger could even survive an encounter with one let alone kill it 💀
@@bru-k5y sry im not too familiar with mosasaurs but yea this guy is delusional thinking a tiger can beat a mosasaur
@@UltimateTH-camr999 I really shouldn't have come to the comments, Their are too many delusional big cat fans roaming around here that its just getting weird lol.
Really enjoyed this video! I hope you might continue the trend of this sort of style
Out of curiosity do you think a prehistoric big cat species video would be interesting 🤔 or maybe how would certain dinosaur specis do placed in different time periods and formations?
There are certainly more types of these videos to come. The next one I will likely cover, is how well sauropod on each continent would survive.
I know bigger isn’t always better but i love how T. rex is this near 10 ton tank that very few animals can match up against.
Now would those felines be able to take down a T.Rex? I mean, no, but they probably would be able to survive a T.Rex trying to hunt them, because these felines have amazing speed and agility. I know that the T.Rex is not as clumsy as the movies make them out to be since their hip bones r fairly flexible, so it probably wouldn’t be impossible for the T.Rex to catch up to at least one of those felines. But I still have to say that overall those wild cats would fair well at living in such a period in time. Because while even a lion may struggle with taking down a T.Rex, u still have to keep in mind that even a velociraptor would struggle not only with taking down a T.Rex just the same, but hey would also have a hard time trying to out run a cheetah when one starts chasing them. So I would say that wild cats would adapt pretty well to the Cretaceous period.
In one on one fight
No big cat is beating bigger therapods
In terms of just surviving the time period
They could as smaller animals at the time didt die out so bigger cats could manage likely
In what world would a cat challenge a large theropod to a 1v1 fight? Dromaeosaur dinosaurs exhibited similar sizes to large cats, and they didn't die off because they couldn't kill a tyrannosaur.
I'd do almost anything to see a T-Rex in action.
good video, i think including a jaguar would have been really interesting as well cause they not only are good at climbing trees but are amazing aquatic hunters as well which would have been an advantage in the flood lands also the fact that they are much larger and heavier than leopards and have the strongest bite force among all feline predators
They are not “much larger than leopards” and they don’t have the strongest bite force. They have the strongest bite force in relation to their size
I feel like Jaguars might have been the most eligible bachelor, truthfully.
Good video, and yeah a Trex could easily kill any pride of lions unless it was already extremely injured or ill
Leopard to T Rex: LOL, you can't get me. I'll just go up a tree.
T Rex knocks down the tree.
You’re working so hard, may all your wishes come true.
As a cheetah main, it's a crime to include cheetahs but not jaguars in this video.
Modern cats would get much bigger over only a few generations, if they went back to the Cretaceous
More of these please!
9:45 tigers aren’t able to put muggers down easily, either. Salties outright dominate tigers where they coexist, and muggers have a pretty even record against tigers. In some cases the mugger will kill the tiger and in others the tiger will kill the mugger. Large male muggers are, of course, off the menu for tigers though.
Same for sloth bears which more often than not chase off tigers not because tigers can’t kill them but they are simply not an easy kill
@@ultimate_animal_showdown Yeah sloth bears are savage af pretty violent and with reason having to coexist with bigger predators.
Most crocodilians hunted by big cats are individuals under a 100lbs.
Honestly. Big cats can hunt such large crocodiles on land due to crocodilians have poor turn radius and agility. Any cat will outmanuever it. If cat big enough they can take down half ton crocodile on land by trying to break spine cord of it
And other question where did that 235 average for Bengal come from
A Bengal is at best at the average size of south African lion 190 and sometimes in small population that are isolated they'll get to 200 yes they can reach over 300 by a slight amount but the average is still the average and 235 is doesn't exist
The domestic cat could survive too if they get familiar when the other predators move-sleep. They could challenge the same sized mammals in that time to catch rodents and small dinos.
If some herbivores introduced to the cretaceous probably these animals could also cope well if they can avoid been noticed by small to medium sized raptors. If a herd introduced and have some edible vegetation which probably would be a problem then most of the current fauna could survive.
Would be an interesting video of what triassic and jurassic creatures could survive in cretaceous and vise versa. The o2 levels was different in these eras so it needs to consider how it affecting these creatures. For bonus you could make a video what permian creatures could survive in the cretaceous.
It would have been a hell Unlike what hellcreek was. In the Morrison formation The most common predator was allosaurus wich was 5 time the size of a lion. They moved in large packs and would have decimated Lions and tigers.
@@doragonzxA ceratosaur which was the runt on the Morrison was big as a polar bear
Feral cats would cause a mass extinction event where most of the dinosaurs (preyed on while they are babies) and more primitive mammals get wiped out it would be like Australia but global 💀💀💀
@@doragonzx Indeed. Allosaurus however was a jurassic animal so the chances these animals could met is small but for sure allosaurus is more agile than a trex that cannot run as fast.
@@anonperson3972 Feral cats would no doubt be a problem but they would not be as opressive to wildlife in present time. One of the reason Cat are sucha problem in our era is because they are mostly protected, and taken care of by the peoples who live along side them. They benefit from living in places were any other predators have been driven out and they have free range of everywere. There also the fact that they are universaly loved by mankind which is a bost. However, I doubt Cat would be able to cause a mass extinction on such levels. You must not forget that mostjuvenile theropods ould have being in the same weigthclass than cats and that juveniles Megatheropods would have preyed on them quite often. IF anything, the cats would restrict themselves to an arboreal lifestyle. And that without mention most pterosaurs dwarfing feral cats.
Realistically, the smaller the feline, the better. Smaller animals require less food and won't be bothered by the larger dinosaurs, dakotaraptor, and other small carnivorous prehistoric species would be a problem, though most likley the feline in question is fast and hopefully agile to escape predators. SO THE POINT IS THAT THE SMALLER THE BETTER
I reckon cheetahs would do better in the Jurassic or Triassic Period due to them having more open environments and suitable sized prey
Unless there was a yet unfound dinosaur better adapted to that niche
You forget the higher Oxygen level compared to nowadays... Big cats couldnt survive at all...
Small ornitopd
@colinmeijer6623 they could adapt over time
@@rogaldorn2312 being bigger turn them a easy target to big theropods, mammal predators cant dream about eat their preys whem a 2 ton theropd comes.
Because this the small ones have most sucefull chances.
Awesome stuff. I love these speculative time travel invasive species videos. One of my favorite things to watch. It is essentially still the who would win superman or hulk but with more science. Never stopped loving those. BTW, I had heard that tigers were sprinters, meaning low stamina and can't run long. I thought they did not need to be able to run long as they are ambush predators that have no predators of their own. Is that not true? Tigers are not the more fast twitch type athletes? If they are would be very bad at surviving while hunted, or at least at being chased. My first instinct was tigers will be worst as it felt to me they were big enough to be a prey item for Trex and are bad are running away as they were top of the chain in their old world. Learn something new every day. Cool video dude, thanks a ton.
Glad you enjoyed!
Evolution would probably force them to grow larger to compete with their dinosaur competitors or cause them to evolve into more smaller animals.
Catnutters in comment section when big cats get absolutely destroyed by crazy 6 foot turkeys with sickle claws, 7-10 ton super predators, crocodiles size of buses, Freddy Krueger turkey and baby-killer storks the size of Giraffe(their supposedly super strong bites and killing of reptiles and other creatures smaller than them which can't fight back didn't help)😲
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Cougars would probably do well. They’re my favorite cat species, they’re not a big cat but pound for pound have the most power of any cat and can jump a ridiculous height, so I could see them jumping up to take large prey or perhaps excelling in its rugged mountain niche
Cougars are american leopards, they do good as they do.
Cougars are identical to leopards.
so basically ur coping
@@jingkoyestrada5844 What?
@@TheStraightestWhitest They have their differences but would probably fill the same niche
I think jaguars would do wonders against some mid-class raptors on a rainforest, but heavy class might need more than just being sneaky 🤷♂️
The tiger propaganda is crazy
@@pablocaceres7378 fr, where the hell did all this overhyping of tigers come from? No modern cat would be able to survive that period. And if any could they would struggle. And I also like how the video vastly overestimates the average size of tigers.
the dakota raptor could probably climb at least as well as the cats, between it's little wings and those big claws getting up a tree trunk wouldn't be an issue for them. some have even suggested that the dromaeosaurs were basal fliers.
It could but then again we don’t have enough evidence that dakotraptors could even climb trees let alone be better than it than leopards
Only the juveniles not the adults
the issue is that, soon as a raptor tries to climb after a leopard it's becoming incredibly vulnerable to attack, since it needs its claws to hold onto the tree so their biggest weapon becomes useless in this scenario. soon as a raptor starts climbing after the leopard, that leopard can drop down onto it from further up the tree, likely causing it to fall and then goes in for the kill.
If the closest relatives to dinos are birds, the cats would be heavier pound for pound so they might be able to take down larger dinos than themselves. Without at least a couple test runs, we'll never know. Even if your brain insists what reality is.
Didn’t cats drive terror birds to extinction which were essentially theropod dinosaurs.
@@greasher926They most likely didn’t, that’s an outdated idea.
Placing my money down on leopard being the most successful out of them. They are already the most successful big cat as they live along side both tigers and lions.
Jaguar>>>>> same size but more bite power, strength, can swim and already hunt archosaurs
@@HagdoBr But in terms of being a meso predator and living/hunting around apex predators like lions or tigers, leopards are much better suited for the role, they would have to barely adapt at all besides behavior while their competition will have to get used to not being an apex predator.
@@KylerBrazda-we9kb but Jaguars can explore some aquatic niche.
@@HagdoBryeah once that jaguar jumps in that prehistoric waters he getting smoked after realizing he aint hunting 6ft caimans but 30ft crocodiles
@@HagdoBrJaguar isn’t as agile as the leopard
I feel like also just like modern day predators similarly sized to big cats may not engage them much in a fight because of the risk of injury being too great
14:55 that lion got YEETED
They probably could, but even the largest wouldn’t be apex predators.
Wait if many dinosaurs had hollow bones similar to birds wouldn't it make it a lot easier for big cats to take them down?
Well actually nevermind... dinosaur sized birds (Ostriches) are usually avoided by big cats but sometimes big cats do take down ostriches pretty easily if they get around without getting kicked by the ostrich.
These felines are too smart. Dinosaur parenting behaviour is nowhere near as developed as elephants and other mammalian prey that is often hunted by these ambush predators. These stealthy cats will just make a habit of raiding nests of dinosaurs and eat the babies, driving species to extinction (just look at what housecats are doing in Australia).
@@shibalikchakraborty5344nor is it as developed as modern birds today as well
dakotaraptors and young tyrannosauruses: exist
big cats:💀
@@UltimateTH-camr999 all big cats are way faster than them
@@shibalikchakraborty5344 Uhh, no. The T-Rex reached 72kmh running speeds and had better stamina than any of these cats. He'd chase down and kill any of them except the cheetah.
@@TheStraightestWhitest Wrong. T rex ran at 10 miles per hour
I just imagined a Leopard snatching a baby T-Rex in the dark night, only to be relentlessly pursued by the Parents later on by tracking its smell, as we know T-Rex had a very powerful sense of smell!
I don't think T-Rex would pursue. That's movie stuff. All dinosaurs were bird-brains at best and birds don't show this behaviour.
@@mikeg2306 it's all speculation and based on speculative studies by scientists, while birds indeed are descendants of Dinosaurs, they are not Dinosaurs, and may have evolved differently.
Plus, some types of Birds of prey do take revenge on whomever or whatever raided their nests.
It’s not surprising that lions, leopards and tigers would more than likely become allies against a T-Rex or other large dinosaurs entering their area. I don’t think cheetahs would live very long. I mean even if they had allies with the lions and leopards to not bother them or steal their food, they’re just not equipped to hunt dinosaurs. They’re best skills is taking down smaller prey like gazelles and chicken size prey. I think they would end up being prey to the dinosaurs. Lions have a much better chance of survival because they live in prides.
I feel like dinosaurs wouldn't chase a cheetah very far so that doesnt seem realistic to me
Another advantage for the cats would be that in a given population, a lot more dinosaurs would be juveniles. Mammals tend to grow much faster so it can be odd for us to imagine, as we're used to a herd being mostly adults. This means there's a lot more potential game than we might imagine. They would register the scent of mammals would be a threat to hatchlings but not much else. An adult Triceratops may be off the menu for these cats, though not being used to such large mammal predators could well enable them to do very well targeting all the young dinosaurs not used to such stealthy predators.
The color vision presumed for most dinosaurs would hinder the camouflage of all cats listed here. Tigers do well because, to their colorblind prey, they look the same as the brown and green backdrop. They would really stand out to dinosaur prey. Minimal grass is also a mark against them, as grass often has a yellow hue favored to the warm tones of these cats.
I definitely think the leopard will do the best. Climbing is great to avoid the other threats.
Also, thanks for the shoutout on my Nanotyrannus!
where did u get that "colorblind dino" info from? a LOT of dinosaurs have been found with shading that implies color camoflouge, if dinos were colorblind, why do some have this camoflouge? t. rex has vision comparable to EAGLES. EAGLES, u know, the bird with better vision than basically almost all mammals, including big cats?
@@UltimateTH-camr999 That's what I'm saying. Nonavian dinosaurs are assumed to have had better color vision than most mammals, so yellow and orange cats would have a problem against a mostly brown and green backdrop. By "The color vision presumed for most dinosaurs would hinder the camouflage of all cats listed here", I was talking about their color vision being better than the color vision of deer etc
@@TalesofKaimere oh sry i misunderstood
It is incredible, that the most baddass animals of today, would be wimps compared to even the wimps of the dinosaur period. The standards of ferocity have decreased massively since then
Yeah a lot of kickas animals of this era
And yet they would still thrive.
If I m not mistaken, there weren't arboreal dinosaurs or at least not as strong as a leopard. Being as fast as a big cat, both in running and climbing during mesozoic means you're untouchable.
My personal survival score for each big cat is:
Cheetah: 3 if alone 5 if in pack
The rest are 10/10. Especially lions
nice video
Thanks!
@@TheOverseerDebates your welcome
Yes. Felines can survive in the cretaceous ( any of them).
Nope Cheetahs won't...
Leopard has the best shot!
Many would be wildly successful but as with any group, there would be some picks that would struggle.
@@petfauna1445cheetahs could survive if they have a Savannah. They don’t need to run as fast as they used to, to catch similar sized prey like in Africa plus their prey is bipedal so it’s much easier to tackle them and fall easier. They would have much longer stamina for sure than the cheetah but no dinosaur can even match the cheetah in speed. So the coalition will most definitely survive they would just need to eat faster so they don’t have to defend their kill that they did not work as hard for.
@@juritudi57yearsago59 Savannah???
Grass was as scarce as cycads are nowadays... And here you are talking about a whole grass biome!
A coalition would be haunted down by dakotaraptors and juvenile rexes not to mention the scavengers that towered over them....
@@juritudi57yearsago59 Did not work as hard??
Cheetahs would be in direct competition with small to medium sized theropods for smaller prey and to sustain a coalition they would have to tackle bigger more risky prey like the ostrich dinos that would still lead to more competition with other theropods...
They can't efficiently climb trees..
Leopards far easily have the most diverse diet. They have a reputation of eating anything they're able to kill, including Lion cubs. Tigers have been known to eat Leopards, but it's quite rare
I’m upset you didn’t use jaguars which are the most amphibious of the big cats and probably best suited to this environment.
I didn't know leopard hunt gorilla
Probably young or sick ones, not a full grown healthy one.
@@cirnosnumberfan6449 no, they live in different biomes
@@cirnosnumberfan6449they hunt full grown gorillas. It’s been confirmed many times.
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This video is truly spectacular!! I knew that the big cats would have enough hits but I bet you would have put the largest feline on the planet i.e. the tiger, above all the Leopard a truly adaptable predator it is also able to survive the urban jungle by feeding on dogs, cats, chickens and other.
There is no record in history of any tiger taking on a full grown rhino or elephant where the tiger ends up on top, there is no such thing their stamina is short and would require hours rest before it can go on the move. This in itself would be the greatest disadvantage for the big cat
Yeah cats are majorly OP. They're faster, smarter, way more agile with better reflexes than even modern reptiles like vipers, and they are amazing at killing prey larger than themselves. I belive they could easily carve out a niche in the Cretacious. How dominant/endemic they would be is anyone's guess, but they could easily pick off young dinos, escape predators, and survive the conditions of the cretatious. I would be curious to see if the increased oxygen would cause cats to grow larger... Considering how effectively they hunt at night, and cats propensity for attacking and killing the young of other predators they compete with, I wouldn't be surprised if prides of lions wipe out raptor nests or even young rexes... lets not forget that the leading theory on the extiction of megolodon was being outcompeted by the smaller, faster sleeker Great white. Considering the differences in reproduction speeds, they could multiply and destroy other predators that provide danger/competition... considering the camoflage and ambush tactics and the fact that even freaking house cats devastate any ecosystem they're introduced too, I think the mythos surrounding dinos and their size simply skews the issue... cats are far better evolved, equipt and designed for the role of a predator. They dont need to kill adult dinos to wipe them out, they just need to raid nests at night and the old ones die off in 20 some years. I love dinosaurs, but a cat like a tiger or a lion is everything a raptor is but faster, smarter, better... cats are the most advanced best evolved predator on the planet. People go on and on about how good we are at hunting, but if an old decrept big cat decides to eat people, it will pick us off by the dozens- even killing hunters sent to kill them (many accounts of this)...
I rememeber over 15 years ago when I was a kid and I was learning about Cheetah's my books were saying they ran up to 80 kmp. I guess they had to get faster to keep up with inflation...
As for big Cats, so is it the smaller cats that are part of the Felinae or Felines while the Big Cats are part of Pantherinae or Panthers.
That is why a black big cat is called black panther.
I love these types of vids keep doing it
Now while I agree with most of your cheetah views but they don’t run at full speed to avoid competition. Nothing in the Cretaceous can even come close to catching a cheetah in its full speed, but it doesn’t need full speed to outrun even a lion at full speed which is faster than all raptors more or less. Cheetahs can comfortably run at 30 to 40 mph for half an hour, and I doubt no theropod is going to try and catch a Smelly mammal that they simply can’t catch.
Jaguar should have been in the video
No Jaguar mentioned...?
the big ones would simply go extinct because would be simply hunted to extinction or outcompeted by the superior theropod dinosaurs
biggest cat a could think off surviving there is an Eurasian lynx
many people would say leopard butt remember many maniraptores could also climb trees and steal there kills or even kill them
I’d like to know how a pack of 70 Hyena would go back then tbh
Felines are natures ultimate predator, while the likes of the Chetah may struggle - lions, Leopards and lets not forget the domestic would thrive. For a Leopard or a domestic threats remain the same (doesnt matter a t rex or a lion, both will eat them)- but the food base is extended with a heap of lizards. So itll be like xmas for them. Lions would have it tougher, but being surrounded by monsters is nothing new to them. And of course its more than just there ability to hunt or evade - cats have a huge list of abilities to help them survive pretty much anywhere. I think the question would likely become, would cats destroy the ecosystem?
I'm pretty sure a Pride of Lion Roaring would deter even some really big Therapods
Do a series about this
But every episode is different megafauna are animals that can weight 300 kg or 660 lbs or more elephant weigh 6 tons and there megafauna
TLDR; The answer is yes. Cats could climb and there were trees.
In just a couple generations the cats would grow tremendously in size. We’ve see the effects of this in today’s cats. We’re talking 30 years. In 100 years you may see 800-1000 pound cats.
We don’t know fully yet if Dakota raptor hunted alone or in packs so we can’t just say their solitary hunters
When did Tigers become 100 pounds heavier than Lions on Average?
It happened when people started overhyping the size of tigers for no reason. Tigers on average are pretty much the same size as lions, they’re just more agile.
@@bru-k5y Although people overhype it, the largest tigers are quite a lot heavier than the largest lions. However, the "average" is about the same because of a large difference in weight within tigers. Lions are more reliably an "average" weight, whereas the weight range for different tigers varies significantly. There are example of some very small tigers, which we don't really see happening with lions.
But when you are comparing the largest of the two species, the tigers are quite a lot bigger.
Tigers tend to be bulkier, you can see it in their legs, especially the front legs. Lions are leaner and it's probably better for their environment. Also, 100lbs is a reasonable estimate when you're talking about animals of that size. In reality the discrepancy of the largest lions and largest tigers is probably more like 200lbs. Although there's not many examples left in the wild for either.
So they live…but at what cost
One of the biggest questions, is what prey would there be. We still don't know enough about the Cretacious to know everything about it's food chain. We are entirely dependent on fossils, which isn't enough. Heck, even today we don't know everything about current ecosystems.
Now, I wonder if some of these big cats, if placed and developed during said time, would evolve to be bigger due to the amount of food there was, or would they go smaller due to competition.
We know that there were bigger tigers and lions for example, not that long ago. So we know that, when their environment allows it, they can get bigger. Maybe the right comparison would have been American Lions and Ngandong Tigers.
Cheetahs are too specialized, but even then, they could probably find a niche. Although they could also evolve either to be bigger, to be able to hunt bigger prey, or to go smaller, and avoid the competition.
Felines would definitely survive in the Cretaceous, not only that, but they completely dominated their niches. Cats are a more sophisticated form of predator than evolution has ever created. The smaller ones would have more possibilities, while the bigger ones would have more difficulties. In addition to almost always being generalists, they are excessively faster than most Cretaceous animals, with few dinosaurs being as fast, they are excellent ambush predators, so even in a time with large forests without many open areas, most of them would feel in danger. home. They would be good predators and would not be such easy prey to catch.
@@SonLucasX they’re no more sophisticated than theropods were at the time. Theropod dinosaurs are killing machines, their weaponry is comically better than what cats have for their size
@@frost7463 The only advantages that theropods have over felines are the mouth with serrated teeth designed to bleed the victim, the resistance over long distances due to the respiratory system and the larger size. But put on the same size scale, cats would easily prey on theropods, the same way tigers prey on bears today. Predating is not fighting, preying is surprise, ambush, a cat could prey on theropods smaller than itself and even the same size. But of course it could suffer serious damage and even die, in a fight for carcass or territory it would certainly be even more difficult. And don't even think about facing the big theropods, that would be suicide. The niche I was referring to would be a small to medium-sized predator (at most), they would never be top predators in the Cretaceous, perhaps only on islands, but never on the continent.
@@SonLucasX that first point alone is huge. They’re like Komodo dragons with larger and more numerous teeth in a much stronger and larger jaw for the animal’s size. Komodo dragons cause absolutely horrific soft tissue damage, and some theropods like carcharodontosaurids are capable of dealing MUCH more in the same amount of time. Theropods would be able to outright disembowel a similar size cat in a matter of moments (not that the cat cant suffocate a theropod to death), they're actual killing machines.
@@frost7463but then again similar sized theropods to big cats will likely avoid each other. As much we like to say that theropods are the ultimate killing machines, they don’t hunt for fun or kill other predators for fun they are actually animals that fear and know to not fight those that they are completely unfamiliar with.
Cats hunt birds, this birds hunt back
7:49 😭😭😭 gambit reference
I would love to see how these big cats evolve to compete with these dinosaurs
The cats wouldn't fair well against the different dromaeosaurs that existed. The big cats are excellent predators but are severely outmatched by the theropods. If anyone has seen what a roadrunner does to a mouse or snake, imagine that but a dakotaraptor that is 19.6 to 20ft long and 900 to 1000 lbs...the cats wouldn't survive. There's a reason mammals at the end of the Cretaceous Period only got as large as a raccoon.
All the big cats would need to stay away from the water.... There were some super nasty things living in/near the water during that time.
1 word... Spinosaurus!!! It was larger than a T-Rex.
Nehhh spino isn't larger than rex also it didn't hunt land animals if there is fish
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In all honesty I think that cats would destroy big portion of the dinosaur populations by targeting their eggs and juveniles. They are way too good at hiding, adapting, very agile and fast, can use pretty much everything in their environment, so even if they cannot do it face to face they will do it where the biggest vulnerability is. I am not sure about lions and tigers because they cannot use trees very well, but leopard, jaguar, cougar, lynx, caracal, ocelot, clouded leopard and snow leopard (if there is suitable environment for it) I am sure will fully disrupt and destroy the dinosaur populations.
Jaguars should've been included, they would've done the best
I feel like the small cats would do fine in their niche. They might not dominate but they multiply quick enough they might fit in the spot rabbits do now but to dinasaurs. Jaguars would have the advantage of terrain in an Amazon jungle like environment keeping it safe from the bigger therapods. Snow leopard for the same reason but for mountain tops. The others would have a hard time. Cheetahs would have the worst time not being able to climb.
Big cats vs Isla Nublar or Isla Sorna Next
no cat stands a chance against a jurassic park velociraptor.
Cats are quite cunning creatures, especially lions. I think they might see even other carnivores as a meal, who doesn't like the taste of chicken. Lions and tigers are quite vengeful animals and might attempt to take down dakota raptors, probably by ambushing them and going straight for that long neck...I doubt anything smaller than a juvenile rex could fend of an ambush from a pride of lions.
@@williambuchanan77 considering that dakotaraptor is almost twice the size of record tigers and lions, it would beat them pretty easily even in an ambush situation.
If they attack its neck then it can slash at them with its claws and/or kick them.
@frost7463 cats are generally quite fast, and tend to be sneaky. In otherwords they're unlikely to opt for a face to face confrontation, but they would ambush it. The D raptor has a long neck, to a cat that's a big target. Lastly cats are smarter than most people realise, until they get one and it becomes the boss.
I know dakota raptors are heavy at 350 but they are also theropods not very stable a tackle from an ambush and this would lead to if falling wolver now it's just a matter of biting in place that you can be hit from @@frost7463
@@williambuchanan77 again, even in an ambush, the raptor would win pretty easily.
@@frost7463 we'll never know.
Great video..i'm at the @13:28 mark.
I think that most researchers have a 'mammalian bias' when it comes to recreating dinasour social structure.
Solitary dinos would be just like solitary birds are today.
Solitary until a food source ( veggie, fish or meat) is found and then ..its a HUGE FLOCK of dinos across species.
Even anklosours and stegos usually recreated as 'solitary' individuals probably foraged in widely spread 'flocks' ( i use that word to break the mammalian bias implicite in the word 'herd') with in clucking, hooting ,chirping and hissing sound of each other.
This is a bit of a nitpick but big cats aren't felines as they're not from the subfamily Felinae since "big cat" refers to members of Pantherinae (or simply "Panthers").
No its a reasonable nitpick
If the cats understood the world they lived in and their place in it yes. A tiger can bring down all manner of dinosaurs I imagine, but it’s going to live its life as more of a Bob cat. Large raptors I think would be the issue and the cubs would suffer greatly if mom has to give way to 90 percent of the predators out there. But I think what an adult tiger cannot outrun, it can give pause. Is a 800 pound giant raptor really gonna wanna risk getting its throat clamped by a big tiger? Maybe. Probably not a human sized species, in fact they are a meal I imagine to something like a tiger. But getting from helpless cub to a semi competent lower mid tier predator would be hard. I bet our house cats would have an easier time.
Actually juvenile large species of theropods might be the issue for big cats. Cow sized sprinters with rows of shark teeth? Idk
Moderate sized theropod dinosaurs have actually faced off with big cats in the past, they were called terror birds and they lost in the great American interchange.
It wasn't an actual face of more or less they got out competed for food items and id credit the wolves more than the big cats as their numbers made it hard for the terror bird to hunt. The Cretaceous is a whole lot different, the variety of carnivorous theropods they have to compete with would make life extremely hard.