Blair should find another way to make Todd feel the consequences of the dead baby lie. She should not use the children against him. But Todd is not doing what he should do, either. He needs to man up and truly act sorry for what he did. His lack of remorse makes it all worse. And, even though he doesn't seem to care much that she lied to him, she needs to apologize for her lies and manipulations, too.
There is a big mistake in this scene. Starr supposedly doesn't know the secret (that Jack is their biological child) but she says "When mom told you that she lied to you about Jack being Max's son, you forgave her."
@lovelikewoee13 ICAM...Everyone seems to downplay it, but Blair's lie WAS a "big deal" too. She set him up to fail and put this whole thing in motion when she told Todd that Max was the father. Blair knew how much that would kill Todd and she let him suffer for months and even ENJOYED rubbing it in. Even worse, if Todd hadn't gone to Mexico, SHE would have kept the baby from HIM, and Sam would have let her. I love my T&B, but BOTH of them had a hand in this mess.
That's always irritating me about the storyline! Not only did she lie to him once but she lied to him dozens of times and somehow the writers seem to shrug it off like it was fair for her to lie to him about his own baby. Totally wrong. She helped set this situation up. What he did is absolutely totally wrong but you can't skip over what she did
@@Justicia007todd was always so fair w/ sharing kids w/ blair. She planned to lie about starr & take her away she was 4 mos pg when she finally told todd she was pregnant. She had zero reason to lie about this pregnancy that todd had to pass the " test" also todd sued for starr b/c blair refused access for months. When blair lost custody didnt press charges when she threw tea out a window only months later he went against the courts & gave her joint custody. With this baby she lied let max barge in they both rubbed it in his face then she planned to never tell him he had a child period. She was even gonna marry max so hed be jacks legal dad & she planned to divorce him she told kelly so omg max would be the legal dad & tes a deadbeat but hed be the one w/ legal rights to todds son & father if her other child. Blair a lot treated todd like he was some sperm donor & the kids were her property & power. Im never condoning todd telling her jack was dead but she was planning to let max raise her child. He broke off tge wedding. Even in labor & giving birth a quick its ur baby todd!!! If he never went to mexico she told her mom told her self lady on the plane " todd will never know this is his child." Thats pretty horrible too esp as it was unnecessary & plain mean. Todd even tried living w/ her but max wouod storm over or annoying kelly kept stopping her but todd never ever took blairs kids away dorian then blair in 97 went after starr, blair lost then everyone was grilling todd how disgusting he was for keeping baby starr. Which im glad when blair went to try & sob & whine about starr how couod he keep them apart & todd said " oh it was ok to do it to me though" blair wouldn't even let todd see starr on her 1st bday. Dorian then kelly were always babying blair but she was an adult. Kellys love life was horrible plus she marries to kevin nice to cassie & joey. Anyway in 95 dorian started the whole theme of " todd will snatch that baby from u " where did he ever show a sign of that esp given they never had kids yet! When he got rich learned blair was really pg ( her first big lie blown up by max btw both of them teamed up on todd a couple times after like trying to steal the sun or framing todd for u know murder!" Anyway when todd got rich did he say see ya im planning to take this baby. No he treated her & 7nborn first baby like gold. So blair planned to leave town w/ starr when todd & her did it in the stables dorian was still going nuts about dont u dare tell him about that baby. Like why did they think todd was gonna be in the dekivery room w/ custody paper's also its blaors fault todd divirced her. Yet she bkamed him of course.
Agree completely that they both had a hand in it! But his horrible behavior is not excused by her lies. My thought: It takes a depraved person to put a tiny, innocent baby at risk and tell the woman he loves that her baby is dead when that baby is not dead. No matter what lies they've been told. And we have no idea what Blair would have done with Jack in a fantasy, alternative story line. We watched the actual story line where they reunited and she finally told him.
@@debb481agreed but why was it OK for blair to plan for months to keep todd from his child? She claimed she kept the lie going so max would lie & say a man shot him but that never would have worked as the cops had blairs clothes & he wasnt credible given hank heard blair was pregnant w/ maxs baby plus max always maintained he never saw the shooter & pled over & over he thought blair did it plus hank didn't even need todds testimony anyway he gave a sworn statement. Anyway todd got her off by helping the defense saying she was insane at the time. At that point she should have told him. He was even letting her & starr live w/ him at dorians they also almost kissed 2x when they slept in bed together but blair killed the moments going on " the baby kicked!! He kicks all the time todd !" Yea that made him miserable & she saw it. She also admitted to kelly over & over todd would be thrilled knowing the baby was his. Also how dumb did they make todd not even considering he was most likely the dad as shed be like 5 months pregnant w/ maxs baby but was bone thin. The man made 2 kids w/ her already & saw she started to show w/ baby no. 1 at 3 months. Weirdly he didn't notice sleeping w/ her 3x she was 4 months pregnant w/ starr another baby she planned to abort than dorian & her planned her leaving town. Anyway blair shouldn't have unprotected sex w/ todd making jack than deciding when he's worthy of knowing he's gonna be a daddy. He didnt drag her by her hair to bed in fact she seduced him or initiated the sex in jacks case same. Then she decided to keep it from todd " to pass the test he can love maxs baby " sorta moot blair hes not maxs. She also kept it going so long todd was sick of lying to starr. Even seeing starr heartbroken it was maxs who treated starr like garbage trashed her in front of blair. She even tried to marry sam then max. That's when todd after being called loser impotent barged into his home blair rubbed it in his face. What if max didnt call off the wedding ? Than max wouod have been jacks legal dad. Then in her condition w/ early labor ran to mexico . In fact paloma had maxs number as the babys dad. I just wonder why blair treats todd like a sperm donor & weilds his pain & his inborn kids as power & weapons. All thos would be avoided w/ 4 words " ots ur baby todd" she babbled the next day when jack was still in the house instead of telling him. Blair has lied & broken todds heart way more times in fact todds bad acts are 8n reaction to blairs mean big lies. Blair even blamed him for the end of their 1st marriage when he was outta llainview looking foward to starting a new life in florida. Blair learned all his secrets so put together todd was the heir when cord told her irene manning 's son was the heir. Dorian & david figured it out b/c they had a p.i. & dorian got info from the trustees that $$ had been payed to a peter & barbara jones home in chicago & david learned the heirs dad just died & dorian was like hello david peter manning is todd mannings father he just died ! Anyway blair pretended to be pregnant & told him marry me or i tell cord its his. Todd was poor lonely broke & blair twisted it about how they had vad childhoods & they could give back to themselves. Ugh. Even marty went off on blair saying " nobody could have treated him worse than u. U lie ur pregnant & for the first time in todds stupid life ( lol ) marries u & does the rigjt thing so u can start sucking on to hos trust fund" this was todds gang rape victim ok! On top of it blair got so owned by marty she said the most viscious thing a person a woman could say " stop feeling sorry for urself b/c u got raped uve dined out on that one long enough " marty rightfully cracked her. Whats sad is blair got so jealous b/c todd came back to the countru club asking " wheres marty?" Literally the next day blair was seducing todd in the stables. I wont even ger into her banging on todds floor the man todd took 3 slugs for suffered agony was so excited to see blair meet his baby & thats what he saw. Blair gad a baby 2 buisnesses but that loser patrick no job in love w/ marty blair classily was on the floor w/ todd freaked took starr & returned her. Blair shot max for ending the marriage & was allowed to bang skye & she shot him.
@@nattyps3160 It wasn't ok! She should have told him in spite of her fears. But Blair was mistrustful of Todd for reasons: his betrayal re: max's shooting, his kidnapping of Starr, his framing of her for murder to name just a few. She also was testing Todd at one point which was wrong. But Todd's actions with the infant clearly show that she was right to mistrust him because they show the manipulations, lies and cruelty that he's capable of. Blair had a hand in this mess, no doubt, but if it weren't for Todd's fragile ego, he would have done something less extreme. He planned and executed this cruelty on his own and ended up losing what he most wanted in life which was her and his family unit with her. He deserved to lose it all.
I don't care what he did, I feel bad for Todd. Cmon, their his kids. Lashing out at him and trying to take them won't make anything better, it'll just make them waaaay worse.
He had to hold his smile back when star said she would never forgive her mother
Blair should find another way to make Todd feel the consequences of the dead baby lie. She should not use the children against him. But Todd is not doing what he should do, either. He needs to man up and truly act sorry for what he did. His lack of remorse makes it all worse. And, even though he doesn't seem to care much that she lied to him, she needs to apologize for her lies and manipulations, too.
There is a big mistake in this scene. Starr supposedly doesn't know the secret (that Jack is their biological child) but she says "When mom told you that she lied to you about Jack being Max's son, you forgave her."
I think she may have learned this when blair said she overheard them fighting.
Well Blair kind of got her wish. Todd didn't see Jack for 8 yrs. and now Jack hates him.
Karma's a b***h.
@lovelikewoee13 ICAM...Everyone seems to downplay it, but Blair's lie WAS a "big deal" too. She set him up to fail and put this whole thing in motion when she told Todd that Max was the father. Blair knew how much that would kill Todd and she let him suffer for months and even ENJOYED rubbing it in. Even worse, if Todd hadn't gone to Mexico, SHE would have kept the baby from HIM, and Sam would have let her.
I love my T&B, but BOTH of them had a hand in this mess.
That's always irritating me about the storyline! Not only did she lie to him once but she lied to him dozens of times and somehow the writers seem to shrug it off like it was fair for her to lie to him about his own baby. Totally wrong. She helped set this situation up. What he did is absolutely totally wrong but you can't skip over what she did
@@Justicia007todd was always so fair w/ sharing kids w/ blair. She planned to lie about starr & take her away she was 4 mos pg when she finally told todd she was pregnant. She had zero reason to lie about this pregnancy that todd had to pass the " test" also todd sued for starr b/c blair refused access for months. When blair lost custody didnt press charges when she threw tea out a window only months later he went against the courts & gave her joint custody. With this baby she lied let max barge in they both rubbed it in his face then she planned to never tell him he had a child period. She was even gonna marry max so hed be jacks legal dad & she planned to divorce him she told kelly so omg max would be the legal dad & tes a deadbeat but hed be the one w/ legal rights to todds son & father if her other child. Blair a lot treated todd like he was some sperm donor & the kids were her property & power. Im never condoning todd telling her jack was dead but she was planning to let max raise her child. He broke off tge wedding. Even in labor & giving birth a quick its ur baby todd!!! If he never went to mexico she told her mom told her self lady on the plane " todd will never know this is his child." Thats pretty horrible too esp as it was unnecessary & plain mean. Todd even tried living w/ her but max wouod storm over or annoying kelly kept stopping her but todd never ever took blairs kids away dorian then blair in 97 went after starr, blair lost then everyone was grilling todd how disgusting he was for keeping baby starr. Which im glad when blair went to try & sob & whine about starr how couod he keep them apart & todd said " oh it was ok to do it to me though" blair wouldn't even let todd see starr on her 1st bday. Dorian then kelly were always babying blair but she was an adult. Kellys love life was horrible plus she marries to kevin nice to cassie & joey. Anyway in 95 dorian started the whole theme of " todd will snatch that baby from u " where did he ever show a sign of that esp given they never had kids yet! When he got rich learned blair was really pg ( her first big lie blown up by max btw both of them teamed up on todd a couple times after like trying to steal the sun or framing todd for u know murder!" Anyway when todd got rich did he say see ya im planning to take this baby. No he treated her & 7nborn first baby like gold. So blair planned to leave town w/ starr when todd & her did it in the stables dorian was still going nuts about dont u dare tell him about that baby. Like why did they think todd was gonna be in the dekivery room w/ custody paper's also its blaors fault todd divirced her. Yet she bkamed him of course.
Agree completely that they both had a hand in it! But his horrible behavior is not excused by her lies. My thought: It takes a depraved person to put a tiny, innocent baby at risk and tell the woman he loves that her baby is dead when that baby is not dead. No matter what lies they've been told. And we have no idea what Blair would have done with Jack in a fantasy, alternative story line. We watched the actual story line where they reunited and she finally told him.
@@debb481agreed but why was it OK for blair to plan for months to keep todd from his child? She claimed she kept the lie going so max would lie & say a man shot him but that never would have worked as the cops had blairs clothes & he wasnt credible given hank heard blair was pregnant w/ maxs baby plus max always maintained he never saw the shooter & pled over & over he thought blair did it plus hank didn't even need todds testimony anyway he gave a sworn statement. Anyway todd got her off by helping the defense saying she was insane at the time. At that point she should have told him. He was even letting her & starr live w/ him at dorians they also almost kissed 2x when they slept in bed together but blair killed the moments going on " the baby kicked!! He kicks all the time todd !" Yea that made him miserable & she saw it. She also admitted to kelly over & over todd would be thrilled knowing the baby was his. Also how dumb did they make todd not even considering he was most likely the dad as shed be like 5 months pregnant w/ maxs baby but was bone thin. The man made 2 kids w/ her already & saw she started to show w/ baby no. 1 at 3 months. Weirdly he didn't notice sleeping w/ her 3x she was 4 months pregnant w/ starr another baby she planned to abort than dorian & her planned her leaving town. Anyway blair shouldn't have unprotected sex w/ todd making jack than deciding when he's worthy of knowing he's gonna be a daddy. He didnt drag her by her hair to bed in fact she seduced him or initiated the sex in jacks case same. Then she decided to keep it from todd " to pass the test he can love maxs baby " sorta moot blair hes not maxs. She also kept it going so long todd was sick of lying to starr. Even seeing starr heartbroken it was maxs who treated starr like garbage trashed her in front of blair. She even tried to marry sam then max. That's when todd after being called loser impotent barged into his home blair rubbed it in his face. What if max didnt call off the wedding ? Than max wouod have been jacks legal dad. Then in her condition w/ early labor ran to mexico . In fact paloma had maxs number as the babys dad. I just wonder why blair treats todd like a sperm donor & weilds his pain & his inborn kids as power & weapons. All thos would be avoided w/ 4 words " ots ur baby todd" she babbled the next day when jack was still in the house instead of telling him. Blair has lied & broken todds heart way more times in fact todds bad acts are 8n reaction to blairs mean big lies.
Blair even blamed him for the end of their 1st marriage when he was outta llainview looking foward to starting a new life in florida. Blair learned all his secrets so put together todd was the heir when cord told her irene manning 's son was the heir. Dorian & david figured it out b/c they had a p.i. & dorian got info from the trustees that $$ had been payed to a peter & barbara jones home in chicago & david learned the heirs dad just died & dorian was like hello david peter manning is todd mannings father he just died ! Anyway blair pretended to be pregnant & told him marry me or i tell cord its his. Todd was poor lonely broke & blair twisted it about how they had vad childhoods & they could give back to themselves. Ugh. Even marty went off on blair saying " nobody could have treated him worse than u. U lie ur pregnant & for the first time in todds stupid life ( lol ) marries u & does the rigjt thing so u can start sucking on to hos trust fund" this was todds gang rape victim ok! On top of it blair got so owned by marty she said the most viscious thing a person a woman could say " stop feeling sorry for urself b/c u got raped uve dined out on that one long enough " marty rightfully cracked her. Whats sad is blair got so jealous b/c todd came back to the countru club asking " wheres marty?" Literally the next day blair was seducing todd in the stables. I wont even ger into her banging on todds floor the man todd took 3 slugs for suffered agony was so excited to see blair meet his baby & thats what he saw. Blair gad a baby 2 buisnesses but that loser patrick no job in love w/ marty blair classily was on the floor w/ todd freaked took starr & returned her. Blair shot max for ending the marriage & was allowed to bang skye & she shot him.
@@nattyps3160 It wasn't ok! She should have told him in spite of her fears. But Blair was mistrustful of Todd for reasons: his betrayal re: max's shooting, his kidnapping of Starr, his framing of her for murder to name just a few. She also was testing Todd at one point which was wrong. But Todd's actions with the infant clearly show that she was right to mistrust him because they show the manipulations, lies and cruelty that he's capable of. Blair had a hand in this mess, no doubt, but if it weren't for Todd's fragile ego, he would have done something less extreme. He planned and executed this cruelty on his own and ended up losing what he most wanted in life which was her and his family unit with her. He deserved to lose it all.
I don't care what he did, I feel bad for Todd. Cmon, their his kids. Lashing out at him and trying to take them won't make anything better, it'll just make them waaaay worse.
Shit she won't press charges
Only on up here cause Starr head would've been knocked clean off her shoulders
Star is so annoying!!!!! I would give up custody of her in a second.
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You bitch! Starr can't help how she was raised!
I love Starr. I'd adopt her!
@@ashleyworden1887she's great!!