You can now 3D print your parts with Fusion360's new slicer! Is it worth using?
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- Fusion360 now has a fully-featured slicer built right in! You can grab models directly from your design workspace without having to export as .stl, but is it worth using it in its current form?
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Can't wait for the time when you'll be able to slice your part with a certain infill and than simulate the stress based on your wall count and infill type/percentage.
Žan Pekošak i feel like this should already be a thing
Oh yeah. Should be. Cant imagine the CPU power it would take. Takes my poor quad core 3min to auto route a circuit board let alone do 3D.
Wanted to say the same.
@@transcendtient Fusion does generative design. It doesn't do infills specifically but it's as close as you can get.
@@zanpekosak2383 That's why softwares like fusion are biased towards cloud computing, which frees you from your hardware limitations.
After the last update I have found that function but didn’t have time to play around with it yet. I love testing different slicers. But of course not from an academic point of view as you do. Great 👍🏼 video!
Judging print quality based on two prints where one is not even from the same slicer is kind of dubious.
Looks more like one just had some feed issues. If it repeats however, then it is a slicing issue.
Remember that fusion will be in a very special situation soon when they start adding features like infill based on simulation or procedural calculations. With the model in the same tool as the simulation results they should be able to do this complicated workflow with a click of a button.
Solid works take note!
I have Ender 3 please send me how change nozzle setting because I am using.8 Nozzle
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Don't see a machine selection in the new setup box only setup milling. Something else to install first ?
love it!
TLDR version? Good first version but needs more TLC? Sounds a lot like ideamaker, where it's got great features but takes 3 or 4 times as long to process versus, say, cura. If only...
Add: like many comments below, one of the big things that makes me hate autodesk and its hoard of software they're snapping up (very Disney-esque business tactics, anyone?) is the damn subscription. I will use a 'lesser' version of software when I can own it versus leasing it. I used to love Substance til they sold out to Autodesk, and now it, too, is leaseware, and thus I'm still running the last version that was the one I purchased. And netfabb. And and and...
can you stress test the geometry of the 3d printed part in fusion 360?
You can run simulations in Fusion, but approximating the way 3D printed parts behave is going to take some work (it should be possible, though)
@@MadeWithLayers AFAIK they cannot simulate materials such as wood or printed layers.
Well - yes, and no. If you make some really big approximations, you can do it. But the FEM software in Fusion 360 will assume an isotropic material model - which means, we will assume the strength of the material is the same in all directions. This is majorly not true of FDM 3D printed parts. In the sim world, we sometimes assume the strength is just the weakest direction everywhere, but this is obviously not so great. Also - polymers (plastics) are a non-linear material, meaning, they don't really behave like steel when loaded. You CAN simulate plastics using F360 - but to do it well, you'll need some pretty specific material data - and by the time you run your filament through your printer, chances are, the material properties are mega-different to the data that your filament provider would give you. So - you'd be stuck having to test your material. And probably every time you use a different setting as well. So - here again, you basically estimate big time to get something workable.
Is it worth it? Probably not - but you may have applications where it is needed and worthwhile....its kinda up to you.
futur CNC? :)
Nice step but it would be nice if we could have it for free you know just home guys not making any money out of it .
Difficult to follow , to fast , didn't understand , not for beginners .
I think it's completely awesome that Autodesk has allowed us hobbyists to use this great software at no cost. I hope fusion 360 dominates the market because young people get used to using it before they hit the workforce and this influences the buying decisions of companies.
Great video Thomas. One protip: In print settings, you can take a sample printer , drag and drop it to your local / cloud library, customize it, add the post (even a customized post) and a profile to it (even a customized profile). This way your settings are just ready to go next time you want to print. stay tuned for a whole bunch of improvements release after release :-) - Sualp Ozel, Fusion Additive Product Manager
Ps: we just fixed the Prusa Post file. You can download the new one and start using it. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Happy printing.
@@sualpozel1 I would like to see "create custom support with using F360 tools" type of think. While printing figures I need that so much, other slicers' support creating tools isn't that useful.
Things that I would love to see added: Simulation based infill density (as you mentioned) would be awesome. And for weight optimizing designs, having the 3D printed part override the solid body would also be fantastic since right now even if you just set a part as some arbitrary percentage of the 100% dense material, it will never be true to life after printing, and to really accurately account for it you need to manually create a new density for every printed part.
its a great first release. Looking forward to them adding non Planar support :)
If they add that I would a tually pay a small fee to use it. If they had like a $20 per year fee to use non planar slicing I would gladly pay. Any more than than and idk if I would.
@@jamessowin2505 Autodesk is not gonna sell you anything under $500 a year just saying lol
I don't want to give Autodesk even more control over the 3D printing world, especially because Fusion 360 doesn't run on Linux.
This was a surprise to me. Interesting move by Autodesk!
I like Fusion360 but I don't trust Autodesk to not pull the rug out from under me. I got a perpetual license with Alibre3d. They have a parametric cad program that has a hobbyist level for $200 US that goes on sale for some deep discounts. Just need fusion360 for cam and now maybe slicing for different infill.
How does it compare? I like Fusion360's style (OpenSCAD's programmatic style feels terrible) but I'd like to get something a little more reasonably priced if I ever buy into something.
@@LanceThumping you draw a sketch and do operations from that scetch. Not as streamlined as fusion and definitely not as good as solid works but very doable.
@@LanceThumping Have you tried FreeCAD it's both cross platform and Libre/Open Source software. I personally like quite a lot, but I am biased as I prefer my software free as in speech.
@@TalpaDK it's better than freecad. I have tried that too.
@@TalpaDK I like FreeCAD too. No cloud/privacy BS and can save files locally without any hassles. Personally I hate the nonintuitive F360 interface. CAD programs are a big investment of time and learning and I certainly don't trust the corporate model of autodesk, who could pull the plug at any time. Even though F360 might be more polished and has plenty of whistles and bells, FreeCAD is just as capable. FreeCAD is an active and growing project and I see it someday growing to the level of success that KICAD has become.
Nice review, thanks. I've been using it couple days now, is very good but there are many improvements needed before it can compete with Cura on flexibility. Creating a post for my modified A8 was a steep learning curve, despite a working knowledge of javascript.
One major advantage is that you can keep the slicing profile as part of the design project!
Just few hours ago I was searching for remedy for too small holes in the prints. Main tought was that is really hard to detect if it's a hole. If there is integrated slicer with modeling software, like in this case, it's easy peacy. I would love to see hole diameter compensation in Fusion360 slicer!
I am really excited for this. Although it isn't amazing right now, slicers loose out on a lot because they don't have the full model information. A combined CAD/slicer program has immense potential.
I have had lessons in inventor professional on school and I am currently in a professional course for Solidworks but fusion is my preferred CAD program, it's the most user-friendly by far ( you can extrude surfaces without having to go to sketch and select project geometry), it looks great, the app is cool, it's cheap, it's so easy I could get started without even youtube tutorials, and it even has CAM and a slicer now..... Fusion is awesome!
I'd love to see G2/G3 true arc support in fusion additive manufacturing. I guess it would be a lot easier implemented than in other slicer software since there's no stl involved.
That's an interesting point! It has a lot of potential to be smarter about the slicing, since it's not just getting triangles.
I'd speculate it's already there, i.e. toolpaths are generated with true analytic geometry under the hood, and only dumbed down to line segments for 3d printer to understand.
@@victortitov1740 if that is the case then it would be a matter of an output option.
does your controller support it
@@dastompa almost every controller and firmware supports G2/3 commands, I myself run multiple duet 2 wifis. David Crocker shows a plotter code running on a delta printer. a buddy is in the Marlin core developer team and also confirmed it working.
Great video/features! Autodesk should just bring you, Stefan (CNC Kitchen), Angus (Maker’s Muse), Ivan Miranda, etc. as product consultants to get their features/workflow perfect before they continue layering on code. I’m looking forward to the day when I can one-shot print and get the exact tolerances I expect and click less on that “buy again” filament button.
A year ago, when I bought my first 3D Printer I opted in to F360 Startup Edition. It was supposed to be 3-yr license. Not a full year after manufacturer changed his mind, cancelled that subscription and forced users to go either to non commercial one (which is generally ok for me, I use it for private use) or to one of commercial grades (of which one is still free). Given the history of other changes, like killing Eagle free edition many years ago, I'll stay on Cura or Prusa Slicer just to keep my workflow safe and stable.
Isn't eagle free and with more free features than it was before AutoDesk bought it?
@@microdesigns2000 it is, as a non-commercial sub. But for long time people were left alone with no free tier and free on-premise option removed.
Startup licenses was never 3 years it is one year and has always been like this it is the EDU licenses are 3 years.
@@SergiuszRoszczyk They did have a free option for eagle you just had to ask for it.
Auto desk is full of DRM and annoying business move
Watching this immediately, this combined with mold tools for compensation for thermal shrinkage could be really something special
I'm really excited for the potential cam/slicing integration. Once that is accomplished I think more machines will have subtractive toolheads.
Many slicers stumble right out of the gate and I definitely didn't think Fusion 360's would be any different. PrusaSlicer started off so-so and quickly improved into something way more robust. Given Fusion 360's awesome development team, I have no doubt they'll patch up the issues and add any missing features. Considering they do have the CNC tools already, it almost seems perfect for them to have implemented a slicer.
Great insight Tom, thanks. I was very intrigued when I saw this in the Fusion 360 update. It's definitely a step in the right direction, but I'll be sticking to Prusa Slicer, at least for now. Although I'm very interested to see what Autodesk do with it.
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Ever since I saw comments of fusion 360 on their additive manufacturing video. I knew they will add support for FDM printers (and it include my Ender 3!!! Yeah!!)
Thomas, Posted on Joel's video too: Are arc/circle G-Codes simple G0/G1 X/Y moves, or is Fusion using I's & J's or R's for arc moves?
I believe the main issue with incorporating arc moves into slicers is that the printer firmware doesn't support those commands currently
@@brandonmott674 marlin does have support for g2 and g3, the reason why it isn't being used is most likely due to the nature of stl files as they only have surface information stored in then and round structures get broken down to many straight segments (surface patches)... That and the other argument might be that it would be quite hard to properly identify use cases (how will it differentiate between a spline close to a radius and a proper radius for example)... Would most certainly be possible but I can imagine it using a lot of processing power while slicing...
@@Averell64 I would guess that it's easier to implement in fusion than it is in other slicers, since there must not be a stl. fusion is capable of generating tool paths for milling and turning which use G2 and G3 already. let's see what the future brings, I put all my hope in fusion 360 🙂
@@3dprintingguru378 definitely, but the state it is in right now is more an alpha or early beta version - I have high hopes as well though :D
Brandon Mott Klipper supports I’s and J’s and we found out Marlin 2 supports both. Firmware is good. We just need to be able to slice native CAD or B-Rep models (step or iges).
Lol. Coordinated uploads! Joel committed you to some pretty serious work.
Well Fusion360 is MAC/PC. Linux users are not really delighted.
They might do something interesting here, but I’ve always found fusion 360 to be really slow. And it’s not like I have a bad computer...
In general - all Adobe products are slow and full of security holes.
I had that problem with not homing and bed leveling too. But when starting the Post Process, you can select the printer model in the first row in the table on the right, under Program Settings and then it homes and does a mesh bed leveling. At least, this worked for me and my Prusa i3 Mk2.
Update: Autodesk have updated the postprocessor for Prusa.
Very nice but I think I will stick with catia and simplify3d for now.
@7:16 Anyone else opened their task manager, to realize how Low their specs comparetively actually are :(
Opening the .stl in Cura (or whatever) directly from Fusion seems currently to me like the better workflow. Awesome video btw
Thank you for a great video. Do you know if the new update is compatible with Octopi?
Given the frequency at which AutoDesk updates Fusion, I can imagine this will get much better, very quickly. Can't wait to see where they go with this.
Would definitely be interested in some tests of the auxetic infill, that sounds really cool
Wow! Your video really pops off the screen!! Extremely high quality image and audio!! and... a good review! I have learned something!!
Question: is there a way to print one piece with different density types?
That would be really useful
This seems like the perfect application for Arc Support in the GCODE. What's the chance that can happen?
Doesn't seem to have options to push the gcode to another program instead of a file, either. With Fusion, Cura and the Octoprint plugin, I can get a model from Fusion to the printer without copying any files anywhere (and faster slicing). Maybe in a future version...
That's a good point. I guess I've to check the Fusion 360 API to check if this could be implemented via an add-in.
@@WilkoVehreke I guess a simple enough work-around would be something to watch a directory and push any new files to Octoprint. As a standalone app, that could be useful for other things too.
@@howardjones543 I see your point but this isn't something I would want to implement.
No, but I might...
@@howardjones543 Perhaps mounting the raspberry directory on your PC might be enough in that case. You could directly write to it.
The real deal of having the CAM integrated into the CAD software is the possibility of using advanced moves, like G2/G3 (Arc or Circle Moves) or G5 (Bézier cubic spline).
Hi Thomas! I just purchased my first 3d printer and I work with fusion 360 Hobbyist version. Could I ask you for a step by step video how to actually go from model stl file to 3d print. Thank you in advance!
Fusion 360: implements slicer for 3D printing... Also Fusion 360: *still* has unusable draughting environment.
This was my thought. 80% of the time I'm googling around for a feature found on most modelling softwares, I find the answer is "we'll add it to the list"...
@@retrotellephone Even more frustratingly when you run into a really annoying bug, find that someone else discovered it *years ago* mentioned it on the forums and the dev team are like ok we'll get on it...at some point...OH LOOK TOPOLOGY OPTIMISATION.
If Fusions slicer tool path generation is anything like Inventor's CAM (which the HSM is still the same plugin, the slicer I'm not sure about I imagine it's from Netfabb). But Inventors CAM tool path generation requires VRam. It makes a significant difference. The streaming workstation you have, try the tool path generation in that vs your laptop, see if it still takes longer.
It's only a matter of time before Fusion is the default, they have some talented software engineers under their belt.
As a FreeCAD user loving Cura while developing an experimental non planar hybrid slicer I'm confused why I'm watching this.
It's all going to be fun and games until AutoDesk gets rid of the "personal license" and makes everyone pay $50/month for Fusion 360.
Great video, thank you. Im biggie backig because ive seen the shelf bracket you designed with the générative deisgn in fusion. I was wondering if you were selling or sharing that 3d files? I wanted to modify it and add a french cleat to be able to use it on my french cleat wall. if not thats cool too !! :) thank have a great day!
I am a mechanical engineer that is new to Fusion 360. To educate management at a new job I would like to create a video making a simple challenge assembly in Fusion 360 by someone that is an expert in the software and compare the drawing time to what I can do in another CAD package. Is this something you, or someone you know would be interested in participating in? I don't have a youtube channel viewership so all I would need the video for would be for internal purposes. I think it could be a subject that could get decent views on a CAD channel like yours.
I really want to change settings per-feature and not by creating boxes and spheres like I need in Sl3cer now. Looking forward for better integration between CAD and CAM...
explains why i now have to download the stl rather than just let fusion send it to cura
but will it still not do G71 rouching cycle. i not want generate 10lines. when i only need figure lol. CNC will generate those million lines on FLY. you just tell this is my figure. oh yes. what is on drawing you write and hit cycle start. you still modelling when i machining part that i wrote by hand
I have attempted to use dual extrusion within fusion 360 and does not seem to be possible yet. it creates 2 different tool paths that execute 1 after the other instead of simultaneously layer to layer. Great video always find your content clear and informative.
Great video and I was definitely not expecting this to be game changing. The real question is what happened to Pathio? lol
got to be an easier way to modify post processing than javascript- just give us a box for start, end and layerchange so we can put in a few lines of gcode. Or that will insert that into the post processor. not everyone runs a prusa or an Anet A8.
After Placed piece in 360 slicer and after G-code is generated How do you send gcode to printer Or where does the G-code being saved ?
I'd like to avoid using slicer for my current project if I can. I am designing a parametric wall out of corrugated board.
Finally we could get g-code running real circles/arcs because the model is not tesselated first.
Sir i have modeled and textued in fusion360 while my client opening that file in his software extures r not coming is tgere any other process to save or export file sir please help me to sloce this sir
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hey! Autodesk should pay to you for this 9:12 and 9:30
Slic-Fusion360-Arrrrrrrggghhhhh!
"That green this the sims have hovering above their head"
It's a Plumbob.
Why is there not just one application... it's been long enough..
10:18 , when you export to STL from fusion do you do it from the file menu (where it has to use a cloud converter that takes ages?)
if you right click on the component name from directly in the workspace it gives the option to save as STL (or click on the project name to export all components)
this does the conversion locally and it happens MUCH MUCH quicker than using export from the file menu. (you can also tweak the conversion settings to lower polycount etc)
I can save as STL open cura and slice the model LONG before the cloud conversion has happened.
I've always thought that was crazy that the export from file menu method uses cloud conversion when it can clearly do the conversion locally
A small tip if I may, when recording from the computer like this - please lower the resolution in Windows or increase the DPI-settings to make the menus and text bigger in the video. That would make it much easier to see and read the texts in the application. Anyway, thanks for your work and great videos.
Funny that they've added this yet there's _still_ no PLA material preset, or 3D printed 'appearance' shader for renderings. I'm excited about the future of the slicer though. With it built directly into CAD, it opens up the possibility of some really smart features, like variable infill based on part strength...and maybe even eventually including non-planar printing and other advanced features.
Its not to hard to add one....texture too.
I walked away from Fusion 360 last year for Design Spark Mechanical (DSM) when Autodesk changed the licensing for us Hobbyists. When all of my models and work is locked up by Autodesk in the 'Cloud' and they can change my access at a whim it became very obvious I had to find another 3D design tool. Now they want to lock me in even more with the slicer? I think not. I can Link DSM directly to Cura and then Cura directly to Octoprint. And all the while I retain control over my IP/files on my storage. I do not trust Autodesk and while F360 is a great platform for me it's not worth the risk.
I use Fusion360 for modeling, but I'll stick with Simplify3D for slicing. Simplify3D has its issues, but the exceptional results with my Prusa i3 Mk2 speak for themselves. I've gotten better results from Simplify3D than with Prusa's own slicer.
Thanks Thomas for the informed video. I noticed the setup in Fusion denotes the Prusa MK3S as having a bed size as 200 x 250 x 210mm. This seems to be backwards in X-Y-Z dimensions as defined by Prusa, with a bed size of 250 x 210 x 200. Does this have any impact on print area when slicing direct from Fusion-360 vs the Prusa Slicer? It would seem as though the print would overrun the allowable print area.
*dual extrusion smirk* I don't worry about supports really since I can easily do petg+pla supports and they get pulled out without a separation distance!
seriously dual extrusion should be more common in printers. I don't like how everyone gives up on it.
Hey Tom, Love your channel man. I am also in Germany, and will be ordering from DAS FILAMENT to test their PLA and PETG.
Something that might make a great video for your european watchers is a review of OWL-Filament / Filamentwerk (Same company) they have crazy cheap PLA / PETG / ABS / TPU ... I've been surprised by their PLA, and disappointed by their PETG. But you can get there PETG and PLA for less than 15€/KG which is insanely cheap.
10:09 This isn't entirely correct; the 'startup/maker' license allows commercial-use, and is free for a practically unlimited time. You just renew it every year as long as you continue to qualify. (Individual or small business making less than $100k/year.)
Thank you for your excellence in webcasting! PS- As a registered Fusion360 user, I have to wonder why they didn't notify me about this. If only they saw the wisdom of hiring YOU to do their tutorials. (Yeah, I've seen the ones by Lars- not my learning style- too jumpy.)
It's much more useful in another point of view. Fusion get's closer to fill whole 3d designing pipe line. For example, my students use university's PCs and don't have an ability to install Cura or any other slicer. So, yes, it's great choice, when you have no others.
but it's still generated using an STL mesh
I'd really like to see a slicer that uses the perfectly smooth NURBS model when generating GCODE
dude thanks! Just starting to get really involved to fusion since its merge with Eagle CAD. Hey, I have a question. What is the state of FDM printing right now? is the hype gone to SLA? I believe prusa with the mk3 and recently e3d's new hemera (as well as the titan) pretty much achieved most of the roadmap for FDM. What do you think are the next steps for FDM, SLA and where do you see them have a place (besides prototyping).
I think the biggest feature and probably the only one I'll use is that you can export your model as .3MF from the Additive manufacture workspace.
I really wish they would offer a 2 and 4 axis wire edm option. I understand the waterjet/laser options have been manipulated for 2 axis wire work but how tough would it really be to do so for WEDM?
Performance in Fusion has been an issue for a long time now. I’m sure they make it better, but at least for CAM, it is still not as fast as a few years ago.
they should do what they do best and leave slicing to the slicing business to do what they do best. if they do it, support octopi at least!.... and fix all their damn bugs.
Isn't Autodesk offering slicers for some time now. AFAIK you can generate gcode with Netfabb.It's "just" new, that it's integrated in Fusion 360.
Hello, I have an anet a8, and the main board recently died in a power surge. Do you know if the btt skr v1.4 turbo will work as a replacement?
Simulation with infill that would be cool if I could afford to use Autodesk products, maybe if they bring a feature like that I'll have to find a way to finance my hobby, like selling my kidney or something
Any good ender 5 posts for fusion 360 out there?
Fusion360 has a hard time importing large stl files so not so good but maybe good for things you draw in fusion.
Not sure I'll bother. It doesn't exactly take long to export from fusion directly into Cura anyway.
I guess it's a working slicer but right now it seems more useful as an introduction to the fusion cam module for people already familiar with slicers.
keeping those algorithms happy.
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I am really excited to where this will go. I give it a few tries, but building my non common 3D printer into it again takes some effort.
As always, thanks so much for your in-depth and useful reviews Thomas.
I'm impressed when it introduces actual 3D movements for printers. Until that, nah.
I can't get my mesh to go on the printing bed in Fusion 360, what should I do?