BBbbbbhaaaahhahahahaaaaahhahhaaaahahaaa......grown ass adults crying over being boned by a company who is doing the correct thing for them AND the people who want to use their product...I can't wait for WOTC to do the same thing over the next couple years.......welcome to HOSETOWN mofo's, you're already on the train, it's enroute....hope you like the ride!!!
If that's the case, you should try reading a transcript of literally any speech Donald Trump has made at his rallies. They are hilariously illegible. An important part of rhetoric that many critically-thinking people ignore is the ability to evoke a "general feeling" in speech, despite - possibly - having extremely little content. Is it not the case that the person you are responding to effectively got their message across, despite being completely devoid of content or eloquence?
I'm just going to point out you clearly don't play pokemon cards, and just don't like rudy/investors. Primal Clash has 0 cards that are played besides some occasional un/commons worth fifty-cents. I'm all for printing cards to make it cheaper for the players too, but this doesn't actually do anything for players like you seem to think it is doing. Roaring Skies i can understand since shaymin ex was over $40, but even the reprint of that set only dropped the card down a few dollars. Just saying...
There's pretty much four faces to Pokemon cards... Theres the investors like Rudy, competitive players, collectors (more on an individual card basis), and then people who fall the awkward category of buying the occasional pack every once in a while, mostly filled with kids. Its really hard for pokemon to satisfy everyone, especially when the player demographic can directly conflict with investors. Specifically talking reprints. The fact they do it without warning can be confusing, or exciting, depending on which group you fall it. You cannot blame him for feeling this way when he pretty much makes a living off of predictions and statistics, and when Pokemon does irrational stuff like this, it confuses you and stresses you out. cut him some slack.
reprints are great for the average player, gets them staple cards cheaper so they can get into the game and makes the threshold $ to get into the game less; which really benefits the company in the long run( more players more customers) . Yes it hurts "investors" and horders and speculators, but that's fine , you are not the intended beneficiary for any of these products in the first place. The more of you stop speculating and trying to manipulate the secondary market in TCG's the better it is for the community.
OrignalSithlord I don't think they should stop investing, they should just stop crying when Pokémon wants to do a reprint or something for the staple cards to be cheaper, the market doesn't revolve around investors after all
The 'investors' hoarders and speculators include those local game stores that host your weekly events, the online sites that let people order singles to make their decks without opening infinite boosters digging, and people who dropped a few hundred dollars on a deck and would get devastated if the value dropped to zero. In the end what we are playing with is pieces of cardboard, it has the value we assign it and a big part of that is confidence just like US dollars are just pieces of paper and what keeps them afloat is confidence. Just printing more so more people have them is as damaging for card games as it is for currency, if you look through failed physical card games overprinting is overwhelmingly one of the reasons they flop. You think reprinting helps the average player? Maybe in the short term. As a long term policy it reduces incentive for resalers and collectors to buy those cards. You know what happens when those aggregators aren't investing? The game dies. How you ask? Here is one example. Say the big resellers go out of card set XYZ because it's going to be reprinted so much there is going to be no value on the cards, they don't stock up on it and they don't break it down for singles. Now you as a player want to make a sick deck and need the cards to build it. You go online to order the singles but WHOOPS, the big retailers aren't selling them because they didn't bother breaking them down since the EV is so low. You go to buy them off ebay except WHOOPS, there aren't really any listings because the cards are worthless and it's not even worth the shipping cost to sellers. Now what is your only option? Buy boxes and boxes of boosters at retail price hoping you get the cards you need. Is this supposed to be cheaper? All that cost is basically just throwing money out too because you aren't going to recoup any of it selling the cards you got that you didn't need.All this yelling about the secondary market when fools don't even realize that the only reason they can build decks without opening hundreds of boosters is because of the very same secondary market they demonize. This is just one example of how overprinting killed many many TCG's and CCG's in the long term. People cheering these things fail to grasp even the most basic economics involved and just blindly cheer because some card they needed got a few bucks cheaper right now.
Ye Li With so many set rotation on MTG, the short term is what should be analysed, not the long term, because without short term players will start to leave the game entirely. The problem with "investors" that you're not talking about is that major sealed product buyers like Rudy, that THEN SELL THEM ALSO AS SEALED instead of single, are holding on a product that could go to the single item sellers which could be selling you what you need to use at the moment that they're still being printed. YES, I know that Rudy also sells singles, but he holds a lot of sealed product, which he then will sell as SEALED product, not those singles that you're talking about, which you may come to pay 2* or 3* the retail value when it comes out of print, which you COULD have gotten when it was still being printed. It will happen as you described: "Buy boxes and boxes of boosters at retail price hoping you get the cards you need", but instead of paying retail, you're going to pay X more times. Good luck with opening the sealed product that you paid 400dollars that is now out of print and you could have paid 100dollars. Sealed product sellers will NOT open them to sell ONLY SINGLES because they'll lose 1/4 to 3/4 of their "investment", when they can gain 2* because it is not printed anymore and you STILL need it.
Yes and no, if you print too much you devalue the product by a lot (and value is one of the reason people play), if you don't print enough then the average player can't get involved and you lose your base players. One of the reasons i liked those expeditions or masterpiece or what ever in MTG (Magic the Gathering), is that you allow a slow increase in the market that is not really noticeable to the collectors, but it does cause a more product to go out to help slowly lower the price (assuming demand for it stays the same or grows very slowly with the rate that wizards currently has them printing at). If I was wizards I would use eternal masters and modern masters to my advantage by keeping a somewhat limited run, or releasing a little bit every month (total amount per year would stay the same but it would be more spread out keeping the box prices near msrp). Then I would eleminate the mythic rarity just for these two sets, but expand the number of different types of rares greatly (instead of 53 different rares think more like 100+) which would include a a lot of the expensive cards. This high number of rares would allow you to reprint expensive cards while decreasing the prices on them slowly over time. A slow decrease in price would not hurt most stores or single card resellers as long as they maintain a good turn over rate. Those that buy cards and try to hold on to them for a long time hoping to profit off of them (hoarders and investors) would be the most hurt. Common players would feel no effect because if you sell the cards once you are no longer want that deck the price change from when you bought to when you sold (or trade value) would be minimal and other cards would have also decreased keeping it roughly in line with other cards.
Hey I have watched your videos for a few months and I'm just wondering on how to get my hands on some factory sealed booster boxes? Specifically Magic The Gathering. Thanks Rudy!
strange how most players and collectors are actualy adults with money and not kido with their 2 pikachu all damaged they got from a birthday gift from their mommy
This is my favorite video so far. I love your somewhat unbiased outlook. I feel bad for the people who lose money but I want a cheaper tcg. I'm glad you get us Patreons things for cheap. You're the best Rudy.
It makes sense to want to make sure people have the cards they want since they are pushing standard play. But Primal clash is just a garbage set. If they wanted to do a product that sees play Breakthrough, breakpoint or even more generations would have been better.
I’ve really enjoyed being able to dig through your history of videos since discovering channel recently. What you discuss here has been true now for 3 years, and Pokémon is still at an all-time high. I suppose demand has surged just that much. I know from your more recent videos to expect even more print volume over the next 1.5 years or so - I wonder if demand can continue to grow to keep pace with production from an investment perspective. Very interesting stuff!
On the note, I like the content you make, I dig the information, I like seeing your point of view, I like your humour, I like how you speculate MTG products. But I HATE what your activity ends up doing to the market! :) Keep it comin Rudy!
Loved the intro on how people get upset when a company makes changes. I used to be deeply addicted to an MMO called Runescape, and I remember thinking during each update "Oh god....what the fuck did jagex do this time?" They ran that game into the ground so many times with so many poor decisions.
GamingTaylor Yeah, and every original player left. Only the fools stay....the fools are always the ones that stay. BUT WE'RE NOT FOOLS, ARE WE, TAYLOR?
Rudy from 2022 told me to come here to watch some of his best videos! I agree it's important to accept changes and I'm seeing more parallels to the last couple years
Hi Rudy, I have been watching your videos for a while and would love to hear your opinion on this matter: How do you feel about the new version 3 mystery power boxes by mj holding company? Also, how do you feel about this company in general? They claim their new mystery power boxes have better chances (1 in 20 chance to pull a vintage pack vs the old 1 in 50) However, having watched almost every new mystery power box v3 opening on TH-cam, it seems all that everyone is getting are x2 furious fist, x2 primal clash and whatever the hell is taped to the front of the pack. HOWEVER, when Derium's Pokemon did a $625 opening on these new Mystery Power boxes, they seem to pull a variety of packs and vintage packs in every box. That shit is so shady. Do you think mj holding company strategically sent Derium's Pokemon "custom" boxes with good pack combinations to trick people?
"Just like some fallen angels?"... Are you assuming that Lucifer was dumping his stock when he found out God's interest rates was too high but Metatron and Gabriel knew about it?....
i really like that your so open to both perspectives, I love hate you and love hearing these "behind closed doors" discussions, your cocky but also kinda humble, your a jerk but your sweet. wish I could afford to support you on patreon but then again im kinda salty seeing you with all those black lotus and power 9's
what you say is true. I work in the mineral and gem industry. every year I see mine owners trying to hype things up... a year or 2 later the same material you can get from any dealer you want and at any price point. it's a bitter pill to swallow. I appreciate your honesty and humor on this subject. we live in fast and changing times in every industry.
It seems like most companies are moving more towards strategies that support players far more than collectors and investors. It is unfortunate that this is the case for those that are investors and collectors, but it is what it is. There's really no way to have it both ways, and supporting players is making the companies more money, so that's where they're going.
I've played pokemon for a long time, made it to worlds several times. I can confidently say the secondary market has never been a major concern for the pokemon company, ever. The game continues to exist through strong turnout at organized play events and the continued success of the video games leading to casual sales. The company has always wanted to support that organized play demographic by making cards fairly affordable and easy to get. The first major dip in turnout after the initial hype and downturn was in 2006 when the undisputed king of decks LBS cost well over 300 dollars to construct and people who couldn't afford to play it just stopped showing up. The company has been combating this for years with their ex tin releases, each set of 3 tins released usually contains at least one if not two expensive tournament standard ex's whose price has raised over 30 dollars. This game isn't magic and out of format cards will always tank in price once they rotate unless you are talking about 10-15 year old sets because the game is driven by play not collecting. The company is reprinting sets which is great because cards like shaymin ex are required in 95% of standard decks with the price reaching over 100 dollars per card needing at least 2 if not 3. The fastest way for them to kill the game is to put that kind of entry barrier in place to be competitive. They know this and have taken steps to increase the supply of these cards without just reprinting them in a tin which would tank the price from 100 to 10 for collectors overnight. This was a well thought out strategy to bring down the price while also not gut checking people who own these cards or paid a high price for them.
I'm really hoping you put up a video of your opinion of the MM2017 prices. MSRP for packs are 8.99, but booster boxes on eBay are going for around 180-190. Do you think they will drop like Eternal Masters did? Or will they stay stable where they are?
So Rudy what is your opinion on investing in the old school boxes? I currently have a base set booster box but I have the opportunity to get a fossil box for $600, curious if you feel they will continue to go up in the next 5/10 years
Hello Rudy. thanks for the vid (s). please keep them coming. this video got my i remember memories flowing. seeing the visuals of the Star Trek CCG and the non sports cards brought back many tears of sorrow. i am old enough to remember distributors ultimately killing their market and huge swaths of stores ie the secondary market by flooding the current market with huge over supply, diminishing quality and short sited marketing gimmicks. How many variant number #1's ya want son? the Timmy in me screams all of 'em! 8 million copies of X-men #1 were sold with 5 different covers (?). what a huge bubble it turned out to be. turns out you can use comic paper for insulation or kindling. there will never be value there. thanks again.
"Few players recall big pots they have won, strange as it seems, but every player can remember with remarkable accuracy the outstanding tough beats of his career."
Do you think this "reprinting" of the Pokemon TCG will be done only for the XY sets? Or will this be done for older sets like legendary treasures (B/W) and other older sets with value?
My local walmart no longer carries Pokemon cards, my local target doesnt either. Nintendo/Pokemon company make 90% of their income from collectors who purchase booster boxes directly. A popular set like roaring skies will drop in price temporarily, but in a few months the boxes, due to the cards IN the set, it will go back up to premium. This is just a re release because us late in fans who just started collecting again from the nostalgia trip Evolutions was gets to get some of these NEEDED cards from a pivotal sets.
hey rudy i am from up north and have some small connections. i can say that most times the word "reprint" is used whenever a large amount of stock is "found". a large store chain could have one out of business and that product goes back to pokemon and they are redistributing it. its still called a reprint.
Does TPCi even announce sets that become out of print? XY-Primal Clash hasn't rotated yet so I believe it's fair to print them while they're supported in the main format. With Expanded being a moderately younger format, they might be 2nd printing to-be-rotated sets to future-proof Expanded's price range.
Hey Rudy random question. Urza block and Marcadian masquerade block. got super ass expensive. What am I missing. That was when I was first really able to buy cards of my own vs getting older kids cards. Wanted to get a box of masquerade but at 500$ for a box yikes. If anyone knows why let me know. What cards spiked or what not sad I can't afford my nostalgia sets. but can get fallen empires for 120$ a box. i know I know its "fallen" empires
Investors like Rudy say: "The Pokemon Company as lost its credibility." The Pokemon Company "lost credibility" only to investors and those who scream about these reprintings. I say that those people deserve being slapped in the face by the card game company, like Pokemon and WoTC.
From a players perspective: This is great. Easier to get a hold of cards that are good for play. Either they are cheaper as singles or the packs themselves will be cheaper since they have been reprinted. From a casual collectors perspective: great for the same reasons. Cards I always wanted that were too expensive are now affordable. From a full blown collectors perspective (what I am transitioning to): This kind of sucks. Part of what I have enjoyed about collecting the cards is knowing I have something valuable. While I have no intentions of selling my collection, I like seeing how wanted they are by others. I have just began to collect every sealed pack artwork from my favourite sets and seeing as they won't increase in price much in the coming years kind of sucks. Part of the awesome thing of collecting is selling things once they reach high value so you can collect new stuff! It sucks seeing things getting reprinted especially when they said they were out of print.
I like those PKMN booster box sizes. We can fix the Modern Masters issue by making it non-draftable packs like pokemon and just putting in valuable reprints. Hell, charge the same amount, but at least the ratio of good rares/uncommons would be higher than draftable packs. Boo to draft bombs since they bomb financially.
To be honest if they just stick to ONE reprint wave like theyre doing with Roaring skies, just my two cents but I personally have no problem it. In time they will go back up as its only a limited wave I assume. Also one other thing I dont know if you've ever mentioned though is that because Pokemon is targeted for younger audiences and the people that watch the anime like many others have said, the market absorbs product with much less pickiness. Unlike Mtg and Yugioh, the criteria for a card to be deemed desirable is not just limited to card playability but just the card being "_______". Even if the card is shit it is still desirable to many because of that. We can tell because unlike shitty Yugioh secrets or shitty Mtg mythic foils that might as well be toilet paper, Ex's and Full Arts usually never go below the $3 ish line. Long story short, shit cards in pokemon are still desriable. There will be a temporary dip for sure in value of the Primal Clash boxes for sure, but I'm pretty confident it impact the targeted sets permanently.
Waiting to come to terms with WOTC reprinting the Four Housemen sets with black boarders, stock art, updated copyright, little foil authenticity stamp, and all new foil sub-set. =D =D =D
Good! I'm glad "investors" will move on from Pokemon! It is tough to support people that just horde a child's product as an investment. Don't get me wrong I invest in magic and play Pokemon. My Vintage deck has foils and altered Power, and my Pokemon is foil with full art. I paid for that, I can buy my own stuff unlike a small child. What I can't get behind is a kid not being able to play or compete with other kids because his parents can't or won't buy a $70.00 card! let them reprint all of it and make it affordable to kids (7-13, the true player base) let investors move on to something else. Go on kids enjoy Pokemon!
I think the thing to look out for now is if they reprint a set that's not in Standard Tournament Rotation. Roaring Skies and Ancient Origins are both still legally playable, but if something like a Black & White set or Flashfire got a reprint, then there'd be something to worry about.
Expanded format, which goes from B&W series onward, and Unlimited format, which is any set ever released, though championship tournament playing is done with Standard.
Ok that's interesting are any cards valuable because of those formats or is there some kind of meta? I'm a very casual magic player I don't really look at tournament results or decklists I just buy cards I like and play them so I don't even know what most of the stuff is worth or good.
Logan Armes expanded is the only format that really sees play in tournaments other than standard, but there are still cards that are retaining their value because they are good in expanded, like Jirachi ex
About the issue if this is a straight up reprint or old inventory left around: won't that be revealed by the dates printed on the card, when the first boxes hit stores? I mean Primal was originally released in '15, the last print run was probably sometime '16. So if the card say 1996-2015/6, that's old inventory, if it ends with 2017, that's a brand new print run. That should shed a little bit more light on the new direction by the Pokemon Company. Also, someone said this below and I totally agree with it: Sets should be printed while they are included in the standard rotation.
Yes, I know, but still. If the copyright date says 2015/6 that means they were printed that year, since the copyright date always displays the year of production. But if it says copyright 2017, that should mean it's a new printing, not old inventory left behind, since the first "reprint" with Roaring Skies happened this year, I highly doubt they were planning this since last year. And since Primal Clash wasn't the most popular sets, it would be interesting to see if these reprint initiative are actual new print runs or just leftover inventory that went through a rebranding.
Lantaar not exactly, some sun and moon cards were printed in 2016 however they continued printing in 2017, yet all sun and moon cards have a copyright date of 2017, copyright is not what year it's printed.
The company seems to compete with the little sellers either that or they don't care about them at all. I'll go with the latter. Profit is the goal. Reprinting does not only stabilise the price for the sets but also give them control of prices and what do we know about large companies? They want to keep control of their products and by controlling the price, it allows other/newer players to join without paying a premium for low stock sets. Whether this is good or not is subjective depending on which side you are on: - Great for short term casual players who do not 'collect' extensively. - Painful for long term collectors - Painful for investors For me, as a collector I think this drives people out of the hobby in the long run as they are literally burning their cash by collecting cards (or anything for that matter) that gets a reprint. But why would they do such a thing even though its obvious? Again, as outlined above they DO NOT CARE, in the case of Pokemon, their target audience are young kids who buy individual booster packs with their pocket money not investors. Every generation cycle that lasts around 2/3 years, kids move onto a different hobby during the time and new kids enter the craze and the cycle restarts. In the end its about profit. And these companies are ruthless...
The pokemon industry shifted in the late 90's when they changed the card game from a ccg to a tcg and announced they would reprint anything and everything to keep prices down. They didn't just suddenly start changing. They have long been changed and I am in disbelief that you invested in pokemon in the first place. Great video as always, and for the love of god, drop pokemon.
I'm beginning to feel disturbed by the Dragon's Maze box. It keeps making reappearances. There's gotta be something to it... I'll better get a case or two, before people catch on.
Honestly, I've always figured the companies making this stuff would eventually get thin margins and start doing deals with the devil to keep the profit coming in. I always figured MTG would eventually die from WoTC having a comfortable profit stream that shrinks and they give on their moral stance (not overprinting, etc.) So for me it's not surprising. But I've also been a lot more convinced Magic was going to die many times before and it didn't. Far too many people love it. What might happen is a volatile death... than a later resurrection from smaller investors and passionate people. Kinda like a pheonix rising from the ashes but connecting more strongly with the player/collector base and not trying to go so big. Who knows. Either way... they just better damn well not destroy collections by printing too much "out of print" stuff.
This is hilarious. More than three years removed and they just announced their first reprint since Primal Clash: Hidden Fates. In the interim sets like Ultra Prism and Forbidden Light were even short print.
Not sure if it's a reprint. I think it is a re release.. for roaring skies at least, all the boxes had the same copyright year,2015. Suggesting a re release and not a reprint.
Something you forgot to mention in the roaring skies video is that the reason it was reprinted was that it had not finished its rotation of six months due to generations coming out. That's probably why it was reprinted.
BBbbbbhaaaahhahahahaaaaahhahhaaaahahaaa......grown ass adults crying over being boned by a company who is doing the correct thing for them AND the people who want to use their product...I can't wait for WOTC to do the same thing over the next couple years.......welcome to HOSETOWN mofo's, you're already on the train, it's enroute....hope you like the ride!!!
Billy Richardson This was a thoroughly entertaining comment
Tough guy
If that's the case, you should try reading a transcript of literally any speech Donald Trump has made at his rallies. They are hilariously illegible. An important part of rhetoric that many critically-thinking people ignore is the ability to evoke a "general feeling" in speech, despite - possibly - having extremely little content. Is it not the case that the person you are responding to effectively got their message across, despite being completely devoid of content or eloquence?
I'm just going to point out you clearly don't play pokemon cards, and just don't like rudy/investors. Primal Clash has 0 cards that are played besides some occasional un/commons worth fifty-cents. I'm all for printing cards to make it cheaper for the players too, but this doesn't actually do anything for players like you seem to think it is doing. Roaring Skies i can understand since shaymin ex was over $40, but even the reprint of that set only dropped the card down a few dollars. Just saying...
There's pretty much four faces to Pokemon cards... Theres the investors like Rudy, competitive players, collectors (more on an individual card basis), and then people who fall the awkward category of buying the occasional pack every once in a while, mostly filled with kids. Its really hard for pokemon to satisfy everyone, especially when the player demographic can directly conflict with investors. Specifically talking reprints. The fact they do it without warning can be confusing, or exciting, depending on which group you fall it. You cannot blame him for feeling this way when he pretty much makes a living off of predictions and statistics, and when Pokemon does irrational stuff like this, it confuses you and stresses you out. cut him some slack.
Pokémon knows kids are buying packs....kids don't invest. It's an impulse buy demographic
MrJam8611 The adults who sell these cards to kids do.
MrJam8611 not only kids buy packs
And that is exactly it flyswatter, the demographic is children, the adults do not matter to their bottom line
reprints are great for the average player, gets them staple cards cheaper so they can get into the game and makes the threshold $ to get into the game less; which really benefits the company in the long run( more players more customers) . Yes it hurts "investors" and horders and speculators, but that's fine , you are not the intended beneficiary for any of these products in the first place. The more of you stop speculating and trying to manipulate the secondary market in TCG's the better it is for the community.
OrignalSithlord I don't think they should stop investing, they should just stop crying when Pokémon wants to do a reprint or something for the staple cards to be cheaper, the market doesn't revolve around investors after all
OrignalSithlord well said
The 'investors' hoarders and speculators include those local game stores that host your weekly events, the online sites that let people order singles to make their decks without opening infinite boosters digging, and people who dropped a few hundred dollars on a deck and would get devastated if the value dropped to zero.
In the end what we are playing with is pieces of cardboard, it has the value we assign it and a big part of that is confidence just like US dollars are just pieces of paper and what keeps them afloat is confidence. Just printing more so more people have them is as damaging for card games as it is for currency, if you look through failed physical card games overprinting is overwhelmingly one of the reasons they flop.
You think reprinting helps the average player? Maybe in the short term. As a long term policy it reduces incentive for resalers and collectors to buy those cards. You know what happens when those aggregators aren't investing? The game dies. How you ask? Here is one example. Say the big resellers go out of card set XYZ because it's going to be reprinted so much there is going to be no value on the cards, they don't stock up on it and they don't break it down for singles. Now you as a player want to make a sick deck and need the cards to build it. You go online to order the singles but WHOOPS, the big retailers aren't selling them because they didn't bother breaking them down since the EV is so low. You go to buy them off ebay except WHOOPS, there aren't really any listings because the cards are worthless and it's not even worth the shipping cost to sellers.
Now what is your only option? Buy boxes and boxes of boosters at retail price hoping you get the cards you need. Is this supposed to be cheaper? All that cost is basically just throwing money out too because you aren't going to recoup any of it selling the cards you got that you didn't need.All this yelling about the secondary market when fools don't even realize that the only reason they can build decks without opening hundreds of boosters is because of the very same secondary market they demonize.
This is just one example of how overprinting killed many many TCG's and CCG's in the long term. People cheering these things fail to grasp even the most basic economics involved and just blindly cheer because some card they needed got a few bucks cheaper right now.
Ye Li
With so many set rotation on MTG, the short term is what should be analysed, not the long term, because without short term players will start to leave the game entirely.
The problem with "investors" that you're not talking about is that major sealed product buyers like Rudy, that THEN SELL THEM ALSO AS SEALED instead of single, are holding on a product that could go to the single item sellers which could be selling you what you need to use at the moment that they're still being printed.
YES, I know that Rudy also sells singles, but he holds a lot of sealed product, which he then will sell as SEALED product, not those singles that you're talking about, which you may come to pay 2* or 3* the retail value when it comes out of print, which you COULD have gotten when it was still being printed.
It will happen as you described: "Buy boxes and boxes of boosters at retail price hoping you get the cards you need", but instead of paying retail, you're going to pay X more times.
Good luck with opening the sealed product that you paid 400dollars that is now out of print and you could have paid 100dollars.
Sealed product sellers will NOT open them to sell ONLY SINGLES because they'll lose 1/4 to 3/4 of their "investment", when they can gain 2* because it is not printed anymore and you STILL need it.
Yes and no, if you print too much you devalue the product by a lot (and value is one of the reason people play), if you don't print enough then the average player can't get involved and you lose your base players. One of the reasons i liked those expeditions or masterpiece or what ever in MTG (Magic the Gathering), is that you allow a slow increase in the market that is not really noticeable to the collectors, but it does cause a more product to go out to help slowly lower the price (assuming demand for it stays the same or grows very slowly with the rate that wizards currently has them printing at).
If I was wizards I would use eternal masters and modern masters to my advantage by keeping a somewhat limited run, or releasing a little bit every month (total amount per year would stay the same but it would be more spread out keeping the box prices near msrp). Then I would eleminate the mythic rarity just for these two sets, but expand the number of different types of rares greatly (instead of 53 different rares think more like 100+) which would include a a lot of the expensive cards. This high number of rares would allow you to reprint expensive cards while decreasing the prices on them slowly over time.
A slow decrease in price would not hurt most stores or single card resellers as long as they maintain a good turn over rate. Those that buy cards and try to hold on to them for a long time hoping to profit off of them (hoarders and investors) would be the most hurt. Common players would feel no effect because if you sell the cards once you are no longer want that deck the price change from when you bought to when you sold (or trade value) would be minimal and other cards would have also decreased keeping it roughly in line with other cards.
Why dont you buy Hearthstone boosters?
lol
Are you serious? Hearthstone is not a smart investment, since you can't trade, also meaning you cant resell.
TheClosetGamer see the joke? look at it go...right over your head.
Please refer to piepie1's comment.
bro I think he was trying to joke back to him.
I will comment on every video from now until Rudy loves me just as much as I love him.
Invest in Tibalts and Storm Crow. Solid investments.
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Hey I have watched your videos for a few months and I'm just wondering on how to get my hands on some factory sealed booster boxes? Specifically Magic The Gathering. Thanks Rudy!
maybe because it's a children's game and not an investment opportunity?
Never heard anything more ignorant than this.
Grayson Neal >implying that Pokemon is strictly a children's game
>lolololololol
>it's not
They don't print pokemon cards to make kids happy. They do it for money. Everything is about money.
strange how most players and collectors are actualy adults with money and not kido with their 2 pikachu all damaged they got from a birthday gift from their mommy
Have you been to a Pokemon tcg tournament? The adults generally outnumber the kids by a decent amount.
They need to reprint EX Team Rocket Returns.
That's the best set.
that set is awesome all the old school ex's are pretty much awesome
i have a sealed FRLG box still i bought like 4 years ago
Broface oh GOD yes those dark holos mmmmm
Broface They'll reprint the entire EX series, then all the E Readers.
that would be bad for me, ive been holding on to that set for a long time now
ylevanon1 no worries, I highly doubt they will reprint that far back
This is my favorite video so far. I love your somewhat unbiased outlook. I feel bad for the people who lose money but I want a cheaper tcg. I'm glad you get us Patreons things for cheap. You're the best Rudy.
Watch for the rudy's life advice. Doesnt matter the topic of the video he always spills some real shit out
Standard will keep being printed till a rotation out, that is the message, and honestly, shouldn't be?
It makes sense to want to make sure people have the cards they want since they are pushing standard play. But Primal clash is just a garbage set. If they wanted to do a product that sees play Breakthrough, breakpoint or even more generations would have been better.
Correct.
I like this guy. I enjoy hearing him talk. I wish he was talking about things I cared about. No joke.
Rudy watch Smpratte's video. You will understand more about this change.
I’ve really enjoyed being able to dig through your history of videos since discovering channel recently. What you discuss here has been true now for 3 years, and Pokémon is still at an all-time high. I suppose demand has surged just that much. I know from your more recent videos to expect even more print volume over the next 1.5 years or so - I wonder if demand can continue to grow to keep pace with production from an investment perspective. Very interesting stuff!
On the note, I like the content you make, I dig the information, I like seeing your point of view, I like your humour, I like how you speculate MTG products. But I HATE what your activity ends up doing to the market! :) Keep it comin Rudy!
Loved the intro on how people get upset when a company makes changes. I used to be deeply addicted to an MMO called Runescape, and I remember thinking during each update "Oh god....what the fuck did jagex do this time?" They ran that game into the ground so many times with so many poor decisions.
GamingTaylor
Yeah, and every original player left. Only the fools stay....the fools are always the ones that stay.
BUT WE'RE NOT FOOLS, ARE WE, TAYLOR?
Rudy from 2022 told me to come here to watch some of his best videos! I agree it's important to accept changes and I'm seeing more parallels to the last couple years
Hi Rudy, I have been watching your videos for a while and would love to hear your opinion on this matter:
How do you feel about the new version 3 mystery power boxes by mj holding company? Also, how do you feel about this company in general?
They claim their new mystery power boxes have better chances (1 in 20 chance to pull a vintage pack vs the old 1 in 50) However, having watched almost every new mystery power box v3 opening on TH-cam, it seems all that everyone is getting are x2 furious fist, x2 primal clash and whatever the hell is taped to the front of the pack. HOWEVER, when Derium's Pokemon did a $625 opening on these new Mystery Power boxes, they seem to pull a variety of packs and vintage packs in every box. That shit is so shady. Do you think mj holding company strategically sent Derium's Pokemon "custom" boxes with good pack combinations to trick people?
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"Just like some fallen angels?"...
Are you assuming that Lucifer was dumping his stock when he found out God's interest rates was too high but Metatron and Gabriel knew about it?....
i really like that your so open to both perspectives, I love hate you and love hearing these "behind closed doors" discussions, your cocky but also kinda humble, your a jerk but your sweet. wish I could afford to support you on patreon but then again im kinda salty seeing you with all those black lotus and power 9's
what you say is true. I work in the mineral and gem industry. every year I see mine owners trying to hype things up... a year or 2 later the same material you can get from any dealer you want and at any price point. it's a bitter pill to swallow. I appreciate your honesty and humor on this subject. we live in fast and changing times in every industry.
It seems like most companies are moving more towards strategies that support players far more than collectors and investors. It is unfortunate that this is the case for those that are investors and collectors, but it is what it is. There's really no way to have it both ways, and supporting players is making the companies more money, so that's where they're going.
HOLY FUCK RUDY!!! Is that the 1994 Fleer Ultra Xmen series in the background? I love you!
I've played pokemon for a long time, made it to worlds several times. I can confidently say the secondary market has never been a major concern for the pokemon company, ever. The game continues to exist through strong turnout at organized play events and the continued success of the video games leading to casual sales. The company has always wanted to support that organized play demographic by making cards fairly affordable and easy to get. The first major dip in turnout after the initial hype and downturn was in 2006 when the undisputed king of decks LBS cost well over 300 dollars to construct and people who couldn't afford to play it just stopped showing up. The company has been combating this for years with their ex tin releases, each set of 3 tins released usually contains at least one if not two expensive tournament standard ex's whose price has raised over 30 dollars.
This game isn't magic and out of format cards will always tank in price once they rotate unless you are talking about 10-15 year old sets because the game is driven by play not collecting. The company is reprinting sets which is great because cards like shaymin ex are required in 95% of standard decks with the price reaching over 100 dollars per card needing at least 2 if not 3. The fastest way for them to kill the game is to put that kind of entry barrier in place to be competitive. They know this and have taken steps to increase the supply of these cards without just reprinting them in a tin which would tank the price from 100 to 10 for collectors overnight. This was a well thought out strategy to bring down the price while also not gut checking people who own these cards or paid a high price for them.
I'm really hoping you put up a video of your opinion of the MM2017 prices. MSRP for packs are 8.99, but booster boxes on eBay are going for around 180-190. Do you think they will drop like Eternal Masters did? Or will they stay stable where they are?
I don't care for Pokemon. But dig your videos. So the fact I'm even watching this says alot about your content. Keep up the good work dude.
So Rudy what is your opinion on investing in the old school boxes? I currently have a base set booster box but I have the opportunity to get a fossil box for $600, curious if you feel they will continue to go up in the next 5/10 years
I just looove the random Star Trek box sitting on top of the shelf
your videos and insight are so interesting. can't wait for more
The thing I dont understand.... Why Primal Clash??! I can think of like 3 other sets that would do a LOT better.....
Robert Wojciechowski phantom forces i.e xD
phantom forces is rotated
maybe they're just going to go in order now?
Because it is still in rotation. Watch Smpratte on TH-cam. He is the Rudy of Pokemon.
Remlap Remlap phantom forces still has vs seeker, which would make it a better choice than primal clash
Hello Rudy. thanks for the vid (s). please keep them coming. this video got my i remember memories flowing. seeing the visuals of the Star Trek CCG and the non sports cards brought back many tears of sorrow. i am old enough to remember distributors ultimately killing their market and huge swaths of stores ie the secondary market by flooding the current market with huge over supply, diminishing quality and short sited marketing gimmicks. How many variant number #1's ya want son? the Timmy in me screams all of 'em! 8 million copies of X-men #1 were sold with 5 different covers (?). what a huge bubble it turned out to be. turns out you can use comic paper for insulation or kindling. there will never be value there. thanks again.
Love your videos Rudy, you're funny and insightful. Will stay subbed for life!
"Few players recall big pots they have won, strange as it seems, but every player can remember with remarkable accuracy the outstanding tough beats of his career."
Pain is much more powerful than pleasure going to hell is infinitely horrible. Going to heaven is just nice and reassuring.
rest in peace, force of will. I'll always love you
Do you think this "reprinting" of the Pokemon TCG will be done only for the XY sets? Or will this be done for older sets like legendary treasures (B/W) and other older sets with value?
At least you picked up that 1996 World Champion card. Also, I see that Star Trek box. Doesn't look like my booster box I got at $14.99.
I see you have Panini DBZ boxes in the background. Whats your opinion about that whole situation?
I've been waiting all day!
What do you think about banning the reserved list at MtG? It's something to be considered or it's just a horrible idea?
Do you think it is gonna happen for the old WOTC pokemon sets?
Actually surprised there wasn't some sort of dynamite or explosion in this video. Even I considered it when I heard the news.
what year are the marvel cards from?
My local walmart no longer carries Pokemon cards, my local target doesnt either. Nintendo/Pokemon company make 90% of their income from collectors who purchase booster boxes directly. A popular set like roaring skies will drop in price temporarily, but in a few months the boxes, due to the cards IN the set, it will go back up to premium. This is just a re release because us late in fans who just started collecting again from the nostalgia trip Evolutions was gets to get some of these NEEDED cards from a pivotal sets.
I was waiting for you to make this video lol
How about Legendary Treasures? I don't see a reprint of those coming anytime soon.
im looking to get into selling pokemon cards and starting a company. what are some distributors you go through?
Holy shit you still have pogs. That's awesome.
hey rudy i am from up north and have some small connections. i can say that most times the word "reprint" is used whenever a large amount of stock is "found". a large store chain could have one out of business and that product goes back to pokemon and they are redistributing it. its still called a reprint.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS I've been wanting to collect PRIMAL CLASH 4 EVER but I never got round to it, well i suppose sorry rudy i guess aswell
Was it out of print? I still see it everywhere and it's still in rotation. No biggie imho.
thanks for letting us know what it feels like to enter pound town
Does TPCi even announce sets that become out of print? XY-Primal Clash hasn't rotated yet so I believe it's fair to print them while they're supported in the main format.
With Expanded being a moderately younger format, they might be 2nd printing to-be-rotated sets to future-proof Expanded's price range.
rudy, have you ever considered putting a cactus on the shelf behind you?
Hey Rudy random question. Urza block and Marcadian masquerade block. got super ass expensive. What am I missing. That was when I was first really able to buy cards of my own vs getting older kids cards. Wanted to get a box of masquerade but at 500$ for a box yikes. If anyone knows why let me know. What cards spiked or what not sad I can't afford my nostalgia sets. but can get fallen empires for 120$ a box. i know I know its "fallen" empires
Can we get a Rudy/smpratte collab on Pokémon investing going?
Hey rudy, what ever happened to your shirt with the white collar?
Don't invest in Pokemon
nothing that is current...
yeah, don't invest in something who sells like hot potatoes. who cares about money right?
CastelDawn selling fast isn't good for investing. investing means creating an artificial price for booster boxes through hoarding them.
I'd invested a little in old Pokemon, new stuff isnt as good
is it likely that base, jungle , fossil, gym heroes and gym challenge will ever be reprinted?
Investors like Rudy say: "The Pokemon Company as lost its credibility."
The Pokemon Company "lost credibility" only to investors and those who scream about these reprintings.
I say that those people deserve being slapped in the face by the card game company, like Pokemon and WoTC.
Rudy " I'm just going to tickle you..." what? lol xD love this guy
rudy its time to do more magic related videos
where was the inventions box?
From a players perspective: This is great. Easier to get a hold of cards that are good for play. Either they are cheaper as singles or the packs themselves will be cheaper since they have been reprinted.
From a casual collectors perspective: great for the same reasons. Cards I always wanted that were too expensive are now affordable.
From a full blown collectors perspective (what I am transitioning to): This kind of sucks. Part of what I have enjoyed about collecting the cards is knowing I have something valuable. While I have no intentions of selling my collection, I like seeing how wanted they are by others. I have just began to collect every sealed pack artwork from my favourite sets and seeing as they won't increase in price much in the coming years kind of sucks. Part of the awesome thing of collecting is selling things once they reach high value so you can collect new stuff! It sucks seeing things getting reprinted especially when they said they were out of print.
I see the Dragon Ball Z box in the back. was wondering if that is usually a safe investment or not, have never touched them. does any one know?
I like those PKMN booster box sizes. We can fix the Modern Masters issue by making it non-draftable packs like pokemon and just putting in valuable reprints. Hell, charge the same amount, but at least the ratio of good rares/uncommons would be higher than draftable packs. Boo to draft bombs since they bomb financially.
"Slap it across everyone's balls" gave me the most genuine laugh I've had today. Thanks Rudy.
Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, b, a, select, start
I like the very end of his videos when he sneaks off screen and you can tell he's fidgeting with the camera trying to turn it off low key.
" I may just by a few of each..." -200 boxes later.- " DANG IT TIMMY"
i thought it was a re-release not a reprint? as in new copyright years? or is SMPratte wrong lol?
Invest only in Sun and Moon
Energy and Ultra Ball secret will retain their value
Ricardo Lopez ultra no energy yes
Paul Stringer True, Energy will ALWAYS be needed, but also right now Ultra Balls are also wanted
base sets never really go up in price
I feel like ultra ball was extremely overrated and will continue to drop in price, so don't invest in ultra ball
Gonna buy into the Final Fantasy card game? It's been tough finding any to buy.
To be honest if they just stick to ONE reprint wave like theyre doing with Roaring skies, just my two cents but I personally have no problem it. In time they will go back up as its only a limited wave I assume.
Also one other thing I dont know if you've ever mentioned though is that because Pokemon is targeted for younger audiences and the people that watch the anime like many others have said, the market absorbs product with much less pickiness. Unlike Mtg and Yugioh, the criteria for a card to be deemed desirable is not just limited to card playability but just the card being "_______". Even if the card is shit it is still desirable to many because of that. We can tell because unlike shitty Yugioh secrets or shitty Mtg mythic foils that might as well be toilet paper, Ex's and Full Arts usually never go below the $3 ish line.
Long story short, shit cards in pokemon are still desriable.
There will be a temporary dip for sure in value of the Primal Clash boxes for sure, but I'm pretty confident it impact the targeted sets permanently.
Rudy, should I invest in Pogs and Marvel trading cards?
still great videos. Thank you!
Greed is good. Just not for investors in the product.
Waiting to come to terms with WOTC reprinting the Four Housemen sets with black boarders, stock art, updated copyright, little foil authenticity stamp, and all new foil sub-set. =D =D =D
Is Square Onyx the silver lining od Rudy's all content now ?
My gift bag was full of Fallen Empires and Steam Siege boosters :(
Good! I'm glad "investors" will move on from Pokemon! It is tough to support people that just horde a child's product as an investment. Don't get me wrong I invest in magic and play Pokemon. My Vintage deck has foils and altered Power, and my Pokemon is foil with full art. I paid for that, I can buy my own stuff unlike a small child. What I can't get behind is a kid not being able to play or compete with other kids because his parents can't or won't buy a $70.00 card! let them reprint all of it and make it affordable to kids (7-13, the true player base) let investors move on to something else. Go on kids enjoy Pokemon!
Cards aren't stocks stop treating them as such
RyokoAsakuraLastFan everything is stocks
It's gambling stop crying when you lose.
Neither are ppl and yet we all still have social security numbers
I like this guy. Don’t know or care about these games, but still, interesting talks.
I think the thing to look out for now is if they reprint a set that's not in Standard Tournament Rotation. Roaring Skies and Ancient Origins are both still legally playable, but if something like a Black & White set or Flashfire got a reprint, then there'd be something to worry about.
Ben is there a format other than standard in pokemon?
Expanded format, which goes from B&W series onward, and Unlimited format, which is any set ever released, though championship tournament playing is done with Standard.
Ok that's interesting are any cards valuable because of those formats or is there some kind of meta? I'm a very casual magic player I don't really look at tournament results or decklists I just buy cards I like and play them so I don't even know what most of the stuff is worth or good.
Logan Armes expanded is the only format that really sees play in tournaments other than standard, but there are still cards that are retaining their value because they are good in expanded, like Jirachi ex
Huh that's neat thank you for sharing!!
About the issue if this is a straight up reprint or old inventory left around: won't that be revealed by the dates printed on the card, when the first boxes hit stores? I mean Primal was originally released in '15, the last print run was probably sometime '16. So if the card say 1996-2015/6, that's old inventory, if it ends with 2017, that's a brand new print run. That should shed a little bit more light on the new direction by the Pokemon Company. Also, someone said this below and I totally agree with it: Sets should be printed while they are included in the standard rotation.
Lantaar cards are printed with the copyright date, not the printing date, thus that would not work
Yes, I know, but still. If the copyright date says 2015/6 that means they were printed that year, since the copyright date always displays the year of production. But if it says copyright 2017, that should mean it's a new printing, not old inventory left behind, since the first "reprint" with Roaring Skies happened this year, I highly doubt they were planning this since last year. And since Primal Clash wasn't the most popular sets, it would be interesting to see if these reprint initiative are actual new print runs or just leftover inventory that went through a rebranding.
Lantaar not exactly, some sun and moon cards were printed in 2016 however they continued printing in 2017, yet all sun and moon cards have a copyright date of 2017, copyright is not what year it's printed.
since you've got a fan mail PO box, are you going to do fan mail videos?
The company seems to compete with the little sellers either that or they don't care about them at all. I'll go with the latter. Profit is the goal. Reprinting does not only stabilise the price for the sets but also give them control of prices and what do we know about large companies? They want to keep control of their products and by controlling the price, it allows other/newer players to join without paying a premium for low stock sets. Whether this is good or not is subjective depending on which side you are on:
- Great for short term casual players who do not 'collect' extensively.
- Painful for long term collectors
- Painful for investors
For me, as a collector I think this drives people out of the hobby in the long run as they are literally burning their cash by collecting cards (or anything for that matter) that gets a reprint. But why would they do such a thing even though its obvious? Again, as outlined above they DO NOT CARE, in the case of Pokemon, their target audience are young kids who buy individual booster packs with their pocket money not investors. Every generation cycle that lasts around 2/3 years, kids move onto a different hobby during the time and new kids enter the craze and the cycle restarts. In the end its about profit. And these companies are ruthless...
you still have anymore d3 collector edition?
The pokemon industry shifted in the late 90's when they changed the card game from a ccg to a tcg and announced they would reprint anything and everything to keep prices down. They didn't just suddenly start changing. They have long been changed and I am in disbelief that you invested in pokemon in the first place.
Great video as always, and for the love of god, drop pokemon.
I'm beginning to feel disturbed by the Dragon's Maze box. It keeps making reappearances. There's gotta be something to it... I'll better get a case or two, before people catch on.
Honestly, I've always figured the companies making this stuff would eventually get thin margins and start doing deals with the devil to keep the profit coming in. I always figured MTG would eventually die from WoTC having a comfortable profit stream that shrinks and they give on their moral stance (not overprinting, etc.)
So for me it's not surprising. But I've also been a lot more convinced Magic was going to die many times before and it didn't. Far too many people love it.
What might happen is a volatile death... than a later resurrection from smaller investors and passionate people. Kinda like a pheonix rising from the ashes but connecting more strongly with the player/collector base and not trying to go so big.
Who knows. Either way... they just better damn well not destroy collections by printing too much "out of print" stuff.
Do you think if Pokemon has success with that strategy, WotC will do away with the reserved list?
Hold my taco. Rudy is back
love you rudy... still stalking your store.
This is hilarious. More than three years removed and they just announced their first reprint since Primal Clash: Hidden Fates. In the interim sets like Ultra Prism and Forbidden Light were even short print.
Nice end. Like the drift out.
Not sure if it's a reprint. I think it is a re release.. for roaring skies at least, all the boxes had the same copyright year,2015. Suggesting a re release and not a reprint.
Zack Morris wants his phone back.
Something you forgot to mention in the roaring skies video is that the reason it was reprinted was that it had not finished its rotation of six months due to generations coming out. That's probably why it was reprinted.