This channel has done wonders for my understanding of riding overall. Any tips for those working on mountains with say early 2000 500s? Would love to see a "working through it" vid. 😄
My tip... Don't. It's worth the money to have a sled that won't kill you. I have a EFI water cooled 500, and an RMK 800. Guess which one goes ice fishing and which one goes to the mountains? I tried it, it sucked. I was stuck non-stop, and killing myself where the RMK goes without even thinking about breathing hard. If you just want to cruise the trails, it'll work most days. Off trail and you'd better bring all your buddies to dig with you.
@@leftyeh6495 it's what I have available to use at work. Bout 3 yrs riding all on ski resort property. I discovered this channel after getting stuck in the flats on a work road in 4+ft checking the lift line. Trust me, I know it ain't ideal. we have groomed terrain up here in most situations but sometimes you gotta get to that lift tower. Any extra knowledge on downhill control in general is appreciated.
Teather kinda sucks, why they call it a magnetic when its more of a click on with plastic fingers then magnet. Its got a bit size magnetic. I took mine off and went Durapro on my trail sled. Now thats a magnetic teather! 👌
Polaris dropped a bomb on the industry. So amazing. SUPER stoked on the 22' lineup - and SUPER stoked for you Dan. So rad that Polaris continues to support you and your fellow athletes. Couldn't happen to a better guy
@@ianstuart7395 You're obviously another BRP troll. Do you girls have anything better to do with your lives than troll Polaris every year during this time??? Grow up.
@@208SledHead 😂. Just amazed at what Polaris fan boys get excited about. Heck I got a whole new BRP owned brand of sleds to check out. I could care a less about what Poo does, I stopped caring years ago when I used to ride Poo until I bought my first E-Tec. I said I would try Poo again when their engines catch up, still waiting 13 years later.
@@ianstuart7395 You're right. You COULD care less about what Polaris is doing because you're here - paying attention to what Polaris is doing. Grow up.
As usual NXT Level give the right information and excellent feedback! Thumbs up ! On another note for Polaris , A snowcheck programm is order in advance and give a chance to a manufacture to figure their inventory And be more efficient, well 24 hours after the new 2022 release , I tried to snowcheck and their are sold out ! How this can happening ... Not impress by Polaris .
I hope the rest of the sled is as high quality as the doo. I went in to look at some 2021 Kaos sleds and all 5 had extremely loose steering stems. It was about as tight as the steering column on a 20 year old craftsman riding lawn mower when you yank on it. It clunks up, down, and front to back.
@@mrbillybob444 they come fairly complete in the crate. Skis and windshields are about the only thing not attached from the factory. The setup guy is usually the lowest position at most dealers so a lot of the time they don't properly adjust things.
@@maxerdman4155 I'm not saying that doo or polaris is better. What I'm saying is for the last couple of years, everytime doo comes out with a new feature/ sled, polaris adds it to its line up 1 or 2 years later.
It will be cool to see how the Boost compares to the aftermarket turbos. Performance, Price, weight. Also what aftermarket does with the factory turbo.
@@ianstuart7395 you don’t develop a factory turbo system in a year. So don’t think they copied Skidoo. Plus if you compare the Summit Turbo to the Boost you will end up comparing sleds instead of turbo systems. I’m more interested in the turbo system then the sled.
@@ianstuart7395 like the 800 twin skidoo copied doolaid drinkers this isn't a copy you doing only has 3lbs of boost the poo has 9 the doo is nothing but a altitude compensator 🤣
That is a cool sled. I just have a hard time getting so stoked about it because Doo has already been doing a lot of those things. So it makes me think that Doo still has the leg up on Polaris. However, that sled does seem like a monster and I am stoked to ride one to compare to my Ski-Doo factory turbo. One question that I do have. Is it as heavy as the Ski-Doo turbos? Mine is like a freaking gun safe hahaha.
@@vincelombardi2669 .SHOT is yet another ski doo only feature. I believe you need direct injection for it and the 7 year patent won't be up for a couple more years.
850 had a design flaw for 19, fixed for 20 and 21. All warranty claims got a new bottom end casing which tells you they figured it out and fixed it. Tether was a $40 part that took 10 minutes to install. They were taking advantage of that extra $38 for a majority of the RMK's sold.
Many of the sleds we have in our fleet have electric start and the bigger PID gauge, leaving the key on for extended times could drain the battery so we have got into the habit of using the key.
Dan can you tell me will my fox float shocks fit on the new Matrix sled? They are the same react front end and same rear skid so was curious. Thanks great video!!
We haven't tried to put shocks on the new sled yet but it's our understanding that they will fit with the exception of air shocks on the rear track shock. Polaris moved the upper idler wheels in so the body won't clear. Worst case you would need to get a new rear track shock.
@@amog5093 oh, i should have included that I'll be towing off piste, in hokkaido japan backcountry. several meters of untouched fresh through trees, on relatively mellow pitches at least. resale on sleds in Japan is ridiculous, they seem to barely ever lose their value, thus its more effective to buy a new one instead of paying 99% the price for a beat up old one.
@@amog5093 it's been 10 years since I owned a sled, thinking about getting back into it and want to get stuck less too hence watching next level. But your answer made me realise that there's a very big difference in types of towing.
@@NextLevelRidingClinics awesome! A tip perhaps; My arms used to get too tired behind the sled all day and up hills with ski ropes, so setup a cool cheap harness idea with 2 mountain bike tyre inner tubes and a large carabiner that took only fingers to hold on but can still eject. Bike tyre tubes looped around your waist/butt (not stepped into), loop ends held with carabiner at your front to make a kind of belt you just wear all day. Knot rope to create a loop a few ft from the end. Loop rope end through carabiner, then the knot (creating a pulley system) and hold the end anyway you like (I like to hold behind my back it's quite comfortable) It's so easy to hold all day long, but safe to just let go and it releases and you have some shock absorbtion with the rubber. Recommended water resistant rope, otherwise it ices up, gets heavy, and doesn't slide through knot easily when u let go.
We don't have exact numbers but Polaris tell us that compared to the Patriot 850 it makes 10% more power at sea level and 50% more power at 10,000 feet.
Really so skidoo was ahead when the first big twins came out uhhh no they were way behind polaris rmk started the mountain riding trend not skidoo you must be young
You mean like the 650 engine, or Belt Drive tracks, or GPS gauge with group ride & wifi & satellite image view(MY22), or temperature selectable SmartWarmers?
Paid 15k for a 2021 boosted yamaha sidewinder that's basically guaranteed to last for the life of 2-3 boosted 2 strokes... so yeah, they're crazy. That pricing SUCKS
@@FBI_whatchagonnaDo hahahaha take that boosted tank to the mountains and see how far you won't make it. If you seen the places these boosted 850's will take you, and how easily they will get you into that terrain you wouldn't think twice about the extra 5g. No comparison.
@@s.a.t419 Not sure what engine you’re referring to.... The 800’s of ‘09-‘14 weren’t great but since the introduction of the 800 HO in 2015 Polaris’s engines have been far greater.... A couple hiccups with the 2019 850 intro but the 2020’s and 2021’s have been very reliable. The notion that Polaris engines are grenades is a myth and severely over exaggerated. Usually spewed by a Skidoo fanboy.
Yeah pump gas and the same clutch weights at all elevations. It adjusts boost for elevation so it pretty much makes the same power at all elevations. +10% hp at sea level and +50% hp at 10,000 feet.
Theyre not saying, just 10% more at sea level. They will need it because they need that to catch the 850 Doo. Dyno claims the Patriot has more hp but can't catch the 850 Doo in a race
Factory tether($7.00 from your local Canadian tire). Large GPS screen( So you can try to figure out how your ski doo friends made it so high up when it shows a vertical climb). Awesome boost at sea level( because all mountain sled owners ride at sea level🙄) Nice “BOOST” decal. Come on, lets be honest with each other. These are supposed to be game changing sleds but all I see is Polaris following a leader again. Like they say, I guess there is always next year😂😂😂😂😂
@@ronwikeheiser6706 Yup, just proof read my comment one more time. Still don’t see any mention of Saskatchewan so go easy on them Pilsner drinking flat landers👍
Polaris always brag and I get that. They do a great job in 1 specific little area. But can they add fit and finish compared to Ski-Doo? The answer is no! Always!
I hate to break it to you but they have leaked info out and looks like no boost for cat this year. Cat needs boost, and update lighter tighter and smaller body and new smaller seat like the skidoo and Polaris to be on top. I love my 2021 alpha. However just snow check a Polaris tonight
@@danielware4316 😂. Easy when you know what mark to hit. Don’t say that yet, the boost at sea level is going to be an epic mistake. I have never heard of a Polaris turbo at low elevation that didn’t blow up.
@@NextLevelRidingClinics let’s just pray that the sea level guys don’t exploit the Turbo, sea level and two stroke turbos do not mix. The guys I know in NFLD running 20’ and 21’ Rmks with turbos have nothing but issues. Especially with fuel, they have to run on race fuel and even then they are just constantly throwing detonation codes until they blow. I DO understand that these are designed for the mountains, however, tons are GOING to make it to the trails and sea level. I really hope that POO took this into account, and if they are rock solid at sea level I will eat my words gladly.
My 1974 Ski-Doo 340 FA had a tether.
This channel has done wonders for my understanding of riding overall. Any tips for those working on mountains with say early 2000 500s? Would love to see a "working through it" vid. 😄
My tip... Don't. It's worth the money to have a sled that won't kill you. I have a EFI water cooled 500, and an RMK 800. Guess which one goes ice fishing and which one goes to the mountains? I tried it, it sucked. I was stuck non-stop, and killing myself where the RMK goes without even thinking about breathing hard.
If you just want to cruise the trails, it'll work most days. Off trail and you'd better bring all your buddies to dig with you.
@@leftyeh6495 it's what I have available to use at work. Bout 3 yrs riding all on ski resort property. I discovered this channel after getting stuck in the flats on a work road in 4+ft checking the lift line. Trust me, I know it ain't ideal. we have groomed terrain up here in most situations but sometimes you gotta get to that lift tower. Any extra knowledge on downhill control in general is appreciated.
@@stevelikesgummybears1662 What are you riding exactly?
@@stevelikesgummybears1662 lol just tell them to get you a nice 174 turbo. no more stuck :)
Factory tether! SOLD!
-looks at my 2008 summit- yup, definitely was a factor.
😂 Doo has had that for umm? 20 years?
For sure, we have been asking for a tether for years.
What's a Doo🤔 new hair setup🤷♂️
Teather kinda sucks, why they call it a magnetic when its more of a click on with plastic fingers then magnet. Its got a bit size magnetic. I took mine off and went Durapro on my trail sled. Now thats a magnetic teather! 👌
Polaris dropped a bomb on the industry. So amazing. SUPER stoked on the 22' lineup - and SUPER stoked for you Dan. So rad that Polaris continues to support you and your fellow athletes. Couldn't happen to a better guy
Huh? They are a little late for that. This is lame and LATE. Just another typical copy cat.
For sure, we are so lucky to have a partner like Polaris. These new sleds are going to be so good.
@@ianstuart7395 You're obviously another BRP troll. Do you girls have anything better to do with your lives than troll Polaris every year during this time??? Grow up.
@@208SledHead 😂. Just amazed at what Polaris fan boys get excited about. Heck I got a whole new BRP owned brand of sleds to check out. I could care a less about what Poo does, I stopped caring years ago when I used to ride Poo until I bought my first E-Tec. I said I would try Poo again when their engines catch up, still waiting 13 years later.
@@ianstuart7395 You're right. You COULD care less about what Polaris is doing because you're here - paying attention to what Polaris is doing. Grow up.
As usual NXT Level give the right information and excellent feedback! Thumbs up !
On another note for Polaris , A snowcheck programm is order in advance and give a chance to a manufacture to figure their inventory
And be more efficient, well 24 hours after the new 2022 release , I tried to snowcheck and their are sold out ! How this can happening ...
Not impress by Polaris .
I hope the rest of the sled is as high quality as the doo. I went in to look at some 2021 Kaos sleds and all 5 had extremely loose steering stems. It was about as tight as the steering column on a 20 year old craftsman riding lawn mower when you yank on it. It clunks up, down, and front to back.
no they have great quality from what i have seen
That sounds like builder error aka the mechanics
Yeah that can really depend on the dealer putting it together. They are shipped as kits
If you expect a Poo to be anywhere close to the Doo if build quality your vastly mistaken. The Matryx is worse then the Axis.
@@mrbillybob444 they come fairly complete in the crate. Skis and windshields are about the only thing not attached from the factory. The setup guy is usually the lowest position at most dealers so a lot of the time they don't properly adjust things.
It amazes me how they can just make improve year after year. Awesome beyond awesome.
You are impressed by the way they follow what ski doo is doing year after year?
@@lucasaubin1661 they make it better
@@lucasaubin1661 so everyone is just copying the guys from the early 2007 era and putting turbos on sleds 😂
@@maxerdman4155 I'm not saying that doo or polaris is better. What I'm saying is for the last couple of years, everytime doo comes out with a new feature/ sled, polaris adds it to its line up 1 or 2 years later.
With a whopping 3psi like skidoo?
I was hoping it would be this good can't wait to see the details
Us too. Its better than we were hoping.
Such a good looking sled and they sound awesome!
I see your used to the axys chassis. The key isn't there any more. Lol nice machine!
It will be cool to see how the Boost compares to the aftermarket turbos. Performance, Price, weight.
Also what aftermarket does with the factory turbo.
Or with the already existing Doo turbo that Polaris just copied.
@@ianstuart7395 you don’t develop a factory turbo system in a year. So don’t think they copied Skidoo. Plus if you compare the Summit Turbo to the Boost you will end up comparing sleds instead of turbo systems.
I’m more interested in the turbo system then the sled.
@@ianstuart7395 like the 800 twin skidoo copied doolaid drinkers this isn't a copy you doing only has 3lbs of boost the poo has 9 the doo is nothing but a altitude compensator 🤣
Now just put that motor in the XCR and than we’re talking!
Man would that be a good time :)
I'm still rocking my 2008 IQ 700 I'm thinking a new Khaos is in order next year!!
Guess it’s time to cash in the kids college funds.
No kidding
Those are some sick sleds Dan !
For sure, we are pumped.
That is a cool sled. I just have a hard time getting so stoked about it because Doo has already been doing a lot of those things. So it makes me think that Doo still has the leg up on Polaris. However, that sled does seem like a monster and I am stoked to ride one to compare to my Ski-Doo factory turbo. One question that I do have. Is it as heavy as the Ski-Doo turbos? Mine is like a freaking gun safe hahaha.
We don't have exact weights but even with the turbo it will be lighter than the Ski-Doo turbo.
Wish they did something like the skidoo shot
Honestly Polaris killed it IMO. The only thing missing was shot start. We can’t always get everything but let’s hope 2023 they update that.
@@vincelombardi2669 .SHOT is yet another ski doo only feature. I believe you need direct injection for it and the 7 year patent won't be up for a couple more years.
Its called your right arm its not hard to pull start a sled lol
A gym pass is a lot cheaper than the shot system if thats an issue
Polaris had to save something to add for the next couple years.
Dan, how does the new platform compare to the Axys as far as holding and edge and putting it on its side?
The handling characteristics are very similar to the Axys just improved in every way.
@@NextLevelRidingClinics Thank
You Sir
that thing is sick! only 700 kms on my 2019 rmk 800 wife said no,,time for new wife..and sled lol
What does it push for boost
Sure hope they did something to their bottom end. A tether? We've had those for decades on doos.
850 had a design flaw for 19, fixed for 20 and 21. All warranty claims got a new bottom end casing which tells you they figured it out and fixed it.
Tether was a $40 part that took 10 minutes to install. They were taking advantage of that extra $38 for a majority of the RMK's sold.
@@leftyeh6495 are you kidding?? The 21’s have been having nightmares with their bottom ends. Just go ask a dealer that sells both.
I’m curious why you use the actual key to turn off the sled. Don’t most people just use the kill switch??? That’s what I do
We all do but it’s likely “not recommend by the factory”, lol
Many of the sleds we have in our fleet have electric start and the bigger PID gauge, leaving the key on for extended times could drain the battery so we have got into the habit of using the key.
New Polaris looks great!
For sure. Thanks for watching
Dan can you tell me will my fox float shocks fit on the new Matrix sled? They are the same react front end and same rear skid so was curious. Thanks great video!!
We haven't tried to put shocks on the new sled yet but it's our understanding that they will fit with the exception of air shocks on the rear track shock. Polaris moved the upper idler wheels in so the body won't clear. Worst case you would need to get a new rear track shock.
Dan in the video you mentioned it had been awhile since you had ridden a turbo. Why did you guys stop ridding turbos?
Weight probably. Most turbos are 4 stroke and heavier
Totally awesome! 💪🏼💪🏼
Thanks buddy
I've been thinking about getting a mountain sled to tow skiers. Perhaps you have some tips, advice, and comments before I go ahead?
@@amog5093 oh, i should have included that I'll be towing off piste, in hokkaido japan backcountry. several meters of untouched fresh through trees, on relatively mellow pitches at least.
resale on sleds in Japan is ridiculous, they seem to barely ever lose their value, thus its more effective to buy a new one instead of paying 99% the price for a beat up old one.
We are actually planning on a video about this in the near future.
@@amog5093 it's been 10 years since I owned a sled, thinking about getting back into it and want to get stuck less too hence watching next level. But your answer made me realise that there's a very big difference in types of towing.
@@NextLevelRidingClinics awesome!
A tip perhaps; My arms used to get too tired behind the sled all day and up hills with ski ropes, so setup a cool cheap harness idea with 2 mountain bike tyre inner tubes and a large carabiner that took only fingers to hold on but can still eject.
Bike tyre tubes looped around your waist/butt (not stepped into), loop ends held with carabiner at your front to make a kind of belt you just wear all day. Knot rope to create a loop a few ft from the end. Loop rope end through carabiner, then the knot (creating a pulley system) and hold the end anyway you like (I like to hold behind my back it's quite comfortable)
It's so easy to hold all day long, but safe to just let go and it releases and you have some shock absorbtion with the rubber.
Recommended water resistant rope, otherwise it ices up, gets heavy, and doesn't slide through knot easily when u let go.
What are the horsepower numbers on this sled?
We don't have exact numbers but Polaris tell us that compared to the Patriot 850 it makes 10% more power at sea level and 50% more power at 10,000 feet.
I’m a little disappointed the switchback XCR is gone in 2022. I was hoping to see that with the 650
The MY22 650 Indy XCR is available with a 136" track, same as the Switchback XCR had in the past. And it's got more HD features & parts.
Where can i get your klim gold and black helmet 🤯🤯🤯🤯 can’t find it on site
...they are coming Fall 2021
Like Joey said this is a new helmet for next season.
Polaris is always a year or two behind Ski Doo
If thats the case we are happy we waited :)
Really so skidoo was ahead when the first big twins came out uhhh no they were way behind polaris rmk started the mountain riding trend not skidoo you must be young
You mean like the 650 engine, or Belt Drive tracks, or GPS gauge with group ride & wifi & satellite image view(MY22), or temperature selectable SmartWarmers?
How deep do the treads come standard
2.6, 2.75, and 3 inch are all available.
20k for the boost model are they crazy!?
15k for the none boosted model, a Boondocker agility kit is 5k to add.. So they are on par with their price.
Paid 15k for a 2021 boosted yamaha sidewinder that's basically guaranteed to last for the life of 2-3 boosted 2 strokes... so yeah, they're crazy. That pricing SUCKS
@@FBI_whatchagonnaDo hahahaha take that boosted tank to the mountains and see how far you won't make it. If you seen the places these boosted 850's will take you, and how easily they will get you into that terrain you wouldn't think twice about the extra 5g. No comparison.
@@FBI_whatchagonnaDo what's a Yamaha🤷♂️
@@joshpitts7256 who knew they made sleds haha
How is turbo lag being handled? What is the warranty on these?
2 year on the turbo. 4 on every other engine of snowchecked
We don't fully understand the technology but there are systems (airbox reeds etc) to help with turbo lag and they work. The sled has almost no lag.
Don’t worry it will grenade well
Before warranty runs out lol. The naturally aspirated ones blow left and right lol. Junk motors and sleds
@@s.a.t419 Not sure what engine you’re referring to.... The 800’s of ‘09-‘14 weren’t great but since the introduction of the 800 HO in 2015 Polaris’s engines have been far greater.... A couple hiccups with the 2019 850 intro but the 2020’s and 2021’s have been very reliable. The notion that Polaris engines are grenades is a myth and severely over exaggerated. Usually spewed by a Skidoo fanboy.
@@s.a.t419 keep drinking the doolaid wasn't long ago skidoo 800 blew apart non stop
What do you mean by a tapered tunnel
It gets thinner towards the rear of the tunnel
Same as Ski-Doo, they gen 4 is tapered as well.
My God i need one
👏👏
Does the new Turbski run on pump gas?
Yes
Yeah pump gas and the same clutch weights at all elevations. It adjusts boost for elevation so it pretty much makes the same power at all elevations. +10% hp at sea level and +50% hp at 10,000 feet.
"In early 2021...", Yo dude, it's March 1st let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Just say a couple weeks ago ;)
They gave him the machine in nov or dec probably
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Burants been running this chassis for 2 years in secret
We need to know. Series 7 or series 8 track to snow check a 2022 khaos.
So Sick!!
How many ponies??
Theyre not saying, just 10% more at sea level. They will need it because they need that to catch the 850 Doo. Dyno claims the Patriot has more hp but can't catch the 850 Doo in a race
@@wasupfool5692 Really? My 850 patriot stays ahead of the etec every race....
💥💥💥
I went broke watching this.
We feel your pain
Unfortunately it will cost near 30 kilo$ in Russia, and probably problems with plugs like 850
Factory tether($7.00 from your local Canadian tire).
Large GPS screen( So you can try to figure out how your ski doo friends made it so high up when it shows a vertical climb).
Awesome boost at sea level( because all mountain sled owners ride at sea level🙄)
Nice “BOOST” decal.
Come on, lets be honest with each other. These are supposed to be game changing sleds but all I see is Polaris following a leader again.
Like they say, I guess there is always next year😂😂😂😂😂
How high are the mountains in Saskatchewan again lol
Lol this is funny
Guys in NFLD. Try to boost their Poos at sea level and they are constantly blowing up, it’s almost comical.
@@ronwikeheiser6706 Yup, just proof read my comment one more time. Still don’t see any mention of Saskatchewan so go easy on them Pilsner drinking flat landers👍
3lbs verse 9lbs and your doo is 20lbs heavier power to weight get a grip
The new ones look like gen 3 doos
LETS GO!
Welcome to the party. Better late than never.
Its going to be a party for sure :)
Man does he look old now, that new grey hair really changes his look.
Didn’t the stocker Matryx have a shit lot of crankshaft problems? Now there they throw a turbo on it.. let’s see how these hold up.
Polaris says the 850 Patriot was developed from the beginning to work with boost so it should be good.
Polaris always brag and I get that. They do a great job in 1 specific little area. But can they add fit and finish compared to Ski-Doo? The answer is no! Always!
"lots of storage". Holds one pair of gloves. Im kidding that sled is fucking awesome
No kidding, its so good.
If cat don’t have some kinda boost. I be pissed. Got bring a factory speedwerx supercharger
I hate to break it to you but they have leaked info out and looks like no boost for cat this year. Cat needs boost, and update lighter tighter and smaller body and new smaller seat like the skidoo and Polaris to be on top. I love my 2021 alpha. However just snow check a Polaris tonight
Ya thinking your right
Bet they change colors and call it all new
Polaris should include Jean shorts and rainbow pants to anyone that buys that. DOO ALL THE WAY !
No thats what you doolaid drinkers where
Copy ski doo. How it different. That’s why hope cat goes charger
Skidoo did it first, but polaris did it better.
@@danielware4316 😂. Easy when you know what mark to hit. Don’t say that yet, the boost at sea level is going to be an epic mistake. I have never heard of a Polaris turbo at low elevation that didn’t blow up.
@@ianstuart7395 They blow up non turbo. Havent seen one make it to 2000 miles yet!
Cat will put new colors hahaha that’s it
@@ianstuart7395 do you own an apple device?
Has super cool tech but is the ugliest snowmobile ever!!!
Just polaris copying skidoo again
Why doesn’t Polaris ever come up with their own ideas? Goodness they are lame. Lynx have more ingenuity and they are BRP for crying out loud.
I think if you look in detail at the turbo design you will find a lot of their own ideas.
@@NextLevelRidingClinics let’s just pray that the sea level guys don’t exploit the Turbo, sea level and two stroke turbos do not mix. The guys I know in NFLD running 20’ and 21’ Rmks with turbos have nothing but issues. Especially with fuel, they have to run on race fuel and even then they are just constantly throwing detonation codes until they blow. I DO understand that these are designed for the mountains, however, tons are GOING to make it to the trails and sea level. I really hope that POO took this into account, and if they are rock solid at sea level I will eat my words gladly.
Yawn! What else is new?