Wow, having worked Burger King as a teen, I'm surprised a whole printout and computation method was needed for the chips when we had these things called "timers", to let us know when it was time to toss them in the trash if there were leftovers.
Still remember it i was weird walking into college and seeing people crying and then i saw the tv that was in the lobby and the words breaking news columbia disaster "orbiter ripped apart on re-entry" like challenger nasa knew of the issue and yet again it did not listen to requests for a potentially life saving satelilte image scan which would have given more options and nasa had emergency shuttle mission plans think cant remember the name now.
gosh. I can remember a 10mb hard drive that our secondary school had hooked up to the the BBC micro's on a network. it wasn't as big as that monstrosity but it was a big metal case and weighed a ton. it used to schedule access on a first come first serve basis (I'm guessing it had absolutely no cache memory) so when the class loaded a program it was a race to type it in first, if you were the poor sucker last in a room of 30 BBC Micro's you literally joined the end of the que and it would have been quicker to grab a floppy disc with the same programme on it.
You were asking the capacity of those Winchester disc cartridges. They were 3.5mb. They look very similar to the ones i used to use on a Honeywell DPS6 mainframe.
Nevets I have to disagree a little. my hostipal stay in the 80s the food was pretty good (apart from my appendicitis meaning I couldn't eat for a week and a half). Today it's all shipped in as cheap frozen meals or dehydrated, not prepared by actual chefs/cooks or kitchen hands and about time it comes around all the nutritional value has evaporated after being blasted with steam for 4 hours.
Used to love watching this as a kid along with Micro Live and Tomorrows World. Watched that Shuttle launch live too with Bob Crippin and John Young at the controls. Epic. Ian Mcnaught-Davis was a legend. He died at the age of 84 in 2014. Cant beat the days of IBM Fortran. I gotta reccommend Micro Men, the story of Acorn and the BBC Micro. The battle between Sinclaire and Acorn. You can find it on You Tube.
Micro Men is a great drama doc! I agree, anyone who was a home computer user in the '80s would get something out of it. Being a CPC user I would have enjoyed a bit more Alan Sugar, but understand he was late to the game and not really part of that initial wave of personal computers. Really enjoyable.
Man, wish we had shows like that when I was a kid, they were still nerd bashing in 1982, so there weren't many (if any) TV shows until the late 80s Computer Chronicles that addressed my audience.
Fantastic video! Great to see that the forward thinking NHS was trialling automating the catering ordering system back in 1982 and THIRTY-FIVE YEARS LATER in 2017, patients still get what the person in the bed the day before ordered! Lets not rush into anything here!
I went to secondary school in the early 80's and there was definitely a dark feeling about the time. The school i went to made the somewhat silly decision to kit their computer room out with Research Machines computers.No BBC model B for us. Great to see them talking about storage technology.How times gave changed.
I love "movies" like this because they can still teach today, because the basics never change. EDIT: Oh how right he was about the electronic Big Brother...
Nostalgia Nerd I enjoy taking endeavors such as these too! Into the land of computers... I'll take that Mcx12 meal with chips m8. What will they think of next? Computers that run your life? I'd like to ask those chaps this pressing question. Are they still around?
These are such a great watch, i have really fond memories of them originally, but your commentany and quips take them to another level. Our first dot matrix printer was a Citizen 120D for our Dragon 32 and later my Atari 130XE. I printed all my college assignments out using that :)
Wow, i used to watch this all the times in the 80's. Back when i had my VIC-20. Their constant use of the BBC B later led to me getting an Acorn Electron. (The baby BBC B for the home)
Thanks a lot for sharing these. It's really interesting to see since, especially since these didn't air here in the US, obviously. The commentary is awesome fun, too.
Old TV programmes like this are fascinating to rewatch. Stuff like Tomorrow's World and one on Channel 4 that I can barely recall and games shows like Bad Influence interested me when I was young and now its interesting to see in retrospect what became of all this wonderous new tech of the future.
I had a Tandy DMP-106 (9 pin) and later a Panasonic KXP-2123 which was basically the color version of the 1180. I remember in the manual it said if I was using a program that didn't support the 2123, I should select 1180.
It is indeed 'Computer World'. The Challenger disaster was 86. I think there's still one of those modem phones in my parents' loft. The striped video happened a lot, but I can't remember how. It's either mode 6 or 1.
24:10 I knew he was about to invoke GIGO! Awesome, and so relevant given the ongoing internet privacy issues and government monitoring scandals going on in the world today.
Those card sorters were very useful machines. Those numbers marked onto people at Nazi concentration camps were punch card reference numbers. Every one had a card, made it much easier to systematically process them all.
You mentioned the Challenger disaster when the shuttle footage was shown. Somewhat ironically, the shuttle IN the footage was apparently the Columbia, the other shuttle famously involved in a fatal disaster.
Theres-er-er-er "I've already fabricated an answer that contradicts the academic studies and legal decisions quoted by the right honourable gentlemen, and that's why this Tory government is working for everyone" May.
"no pdf's then.." indeed, it reminds me of when they did the BBC Domesday Project. collected all that information from around the country and stored it onto special disks.. of course, they became obsolete within a couple of years lol. although they did do an effort to transfer it since and you can even see it online. one of the dangers of using entirely digital media though is the prospect of either losing it or it becoming defunct. (I typed that before I got to the point you mentioned the Domesday Project)
The BBC Micro mode they seem to be using is MODE 6 with the background colour set to blue... in MODE 6, there's always black lines between actual lines regardless of what you set the background colour to be.
Ahhh, interesting. I see you can remove the blank lines, but graphical functions are still unusable. beebwiki.mdfs.net/MODE_6 Love these little quirks.
Star printers were great, I had a Star LC-10, loved how it did colour, ram the print head against the side, ratcheting the ribbon up to one of the 4 ink colours
aerk12 lol and your yellows would end up all orangey or green once the ribbon had been around once. dirty colours. it was fun watching them print and the paper going all buckled because of the wet ink.
I always liked the lined display they used for the programming sections. Could never get the BBCs at school to replicate it. Custom ROM / display mode for the micros used on the show?
The 'interlaced lines' you mentioned at 20:49 was an option on the BBC to make the lines more defined on curved amd often blurry CRT's when using text. I think it was in Mode 7 (telex graphics), but I'm not 100% on that.
The hospital menu didn't even have chicken on it, just red meat and a couple fish dishes, I guess cholesterol wasn't as big of an issue in the 80s. At least the chips aren't soggy anymore now patients can get their deep fried chips faster! Although unless the patient required some strict dietary regimen I wouldn't take away a sick person's beef and chips considering hospitals are shit anyway at least the food can give some respite. Probably why canteens even now still have loads of unhealthy food options.
nice and chunky fries?! I really like the sound of that....bloke??, no that's not the right word......mate!!, that's it. I really like the sound of that mate!! (google translate for the win!! :P)
Goodbye to the flush toilet : water-saving alternatives to cesspools, septic tanks and sewers / edited by Carol Hupping Stoner ; special consultant, Patricia M.Nesbitt ; illustrations, Jerry O'Brien. ISBN 0878571922
The American spelling of program should be universally adopted. Having extra, silent letters in words is inefficient and silly, and we've been trying to get rid of them for hundreds of years. -our should also be replaced by -or, except for flour, where it makes sense.
Yike everything looks soo old school nowaday's from interiors,telephones,computers and the use of boring color, only brown and wite with no personality in it, in fact most peoples at the time did had boring brown & white colored interior, illll. I can't believe that i was born that year. Nowaday's you can make your interior in your personal tadte .
Whenever I watch old BBC footage nowadays I get chills. There's something very smug and slimy about the presenters and I can't help but wonder how many of them were paedophiles.
With Jimmy Savile, Rolf Harris and other former BBC personalities being exposed as paedophiles and the evidence that BBC covered up scandals within their ranks, I find it hard to perceive the organisation in any other way. The people in this video are probably innocent, but there's just something about BBC presenters from the 70s that make me uneasy nowadays.
Marzeism agreed. that has to be one of the most effed up comments ive read on TH-cam. Seriously, watch most videos from the 70s and 80s from any broadcasting organisation and they sound like this. Talk about narrow minded. Take your bigoted comments somewhere else.
Not true. BBC definitely has a certain type of presenter, even now. They tend to be a lot more smug and high brow than most. No, that doesn't make them paedophiles and I admit it's wrong to judge but the BBC will always be tarnished with that reputation.
That code is the most useless and inefficient code imaginable :) Basic... what a shit language... No hashes, No linked lists. No pointers to make them. Kids fuck basic, use assembler and nowadays C/C++
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Upon rewatching this I almost thought he said "Sun... Sea... SEX." at the start there.
Perhaps so that the media bots will not find this and file a copyright takedown notice from the BBC?
"Cell, C, Sex" isn't it?
It's like MST3K, but with old tech. I love it.
Wow, having worked Burger King as a teen, I'm surprised a whole printout and computation method was needed for the chips when we had these things called "timers", to let us know when it was time to toss them in the trash if there were leftovers.
And then when 5 chips remained at the end of rush time, Skynet went self aware and obliterated half of the human species.
"You're right, no human being would stack books like this."
"before the Challenger disaster" and also before the Columbia disaster. The shuttle shown on screen exploded on re-entry Feb 1st 2003.
Was that the one where some heat shield tiles were damaged by a piece of foam during launch, leaving a hole in the leading edge of left? wing?
Yessir. Terrible thing, that was.
Still remember it i was weird walking into college and seeing people crying and then i saw the tv that was in the lobby and the words breaking news columbia disaster "orbiter ripped apart on re-entry" like challenger nasa knew of the issue and yet again it did not listen to requests for a potentially life saving satelilte image scan which would have given more options and nasa had emergency shuttle mission plans think cant remember the name now.
gosh. I can remember a 10mb hard drive that our secondary school had hooked up to the the BBC micro's on a network. it wasn't as big as that monstrosity but it was a big metal case and weighed a ton. it used to schedule access on a first come first serve basis (I'm guessing it had absolutely no cache memory) so when the class loaded a program it was a race to type it in first, if you were the poor sucker last in a room of 30 BBC Micro's you literally joined the end of the que and it would have been quicker to grab a floppy disc with the same programme on it.
You were asking the capacity of those Winchester disc cartridges. They were 3.5mb. They look very similar to the ones i used to use on a Honeywell DPS6 mainframe.
The computer technology might have moved on but the hospital food has not!
Nevets I have to disagree a little. my hostipal stay in the 80s the food was pretty good (apart from my appendicitis meaning I couldn't eat for a week and a half). Today it's all shipped in as cheap frozen meals or dehydrated, not prepared by actual chefs/cooks or kitchen hands and about time it comes around all the nutritional value has evaporated after being blasted with steam for 4 hours.
I'm a 1980 baby, these bring a warm feeling to me, keep 'em coming NN
** The Plugs you plugged the phone into was an "Acoustic Coupler". Very popular in the 9.6k Modem days with Prestel.
Used to love watching this as a kid along with Micro Live and Tomorrows World. Watched that Shuttle launch live too with Bob Crippin and John Young at the controls. Epic. Ian Mcnaught-Davis was a legend. He died at the age of 84 in 2014. Cant beat the days of IBM Fortran. I gotta reccommend Micro Men, the story of Acorn and the BBC Micro. The battle between Sinclaire and Acorn. You can find it on You Tube.
Micro Men is a great drama doc! I agree, anyone who was a home computer user in the '80s would get something out of it. Being a CPC user I would have enjoyed a bit more Alan Sugar, but understand he was late to the game and not really part of that initial wave of personal computers. Really enjoyable.
Man, wish we had shows like that when I was a kid, they were still nerd bashing in 1982, so there weren't many (if any) TV shows until the late 80s Computer Chronicles that addressed my audience.
Fantastic video! Great to see that the forward thinking NHS was trialling automating the catering ordering system back in 1982 and THIRTY-FIVE YEARS LATER in 2017, patients still get what the person in the bed the day before ordered! Lets not rush into anything here!
I went to secondary school in the early 80's and there was definitely a dark feeling about the time. The school i went to made the somewhat silly decision to kit their computer room out with Research Machines computers.No BBC model B for us. Great to see them talking about storage technology.How times gave changed.
I love "movies" like this because they can still teach today, because the basics never change. EDIT: Oh how right he was about the electronic Big Brother...
I am really loving the content you make :)
Many thanks!
Nostalgia Nerd I enjoy taking endeavors such as these too! Into the land of computers... I'll take that Mcx12 meal with chips m8. What will they think of next? Computers that run your life? I'd like to ask those chaps this pressing question. Are they still around?
These are such a great watch, i have really fond memories of them originally, but your commentany and quips take them to another level. Our first dot matrix printer was a Citizen 120D for our Dragon 32 and later my Atari 130XE. I printed all my college assignments out using that :)
Wow, i used to watch this all the times in the 80's. Back when i had my VIC-20. Their constant use of the BBC B later led to me getting an Acorn Electron. (The baby BBC B for the home)
@ 12:30: "You're right, Egon, no human being would stack books like this."
Thanks a lot for sharing these. It's really interesting to see since, especially since these didn't air here in the US, obviously. The commentary is awesome fun, too.
i love these vids! not only is it fascinating to watch these old programs but your commentary regularly cracks me up! keep it up old chap!
Keep these coming, the format is perfect. I love your commentaries.
Old TV programmes like this are fascinating to rewatch. Stuff like Tomorrow's World and one on Channel 4 that I can barely recall and games shows like Bad Influence interested me when I was young and now its interesting to see in retrospect what became of all this wonderous new tech of the future.
Finally it's here! the Computer Programme!, thanks a bunch for uploading it, i really love this show, reminds me the good old days of the 80s.
I fucking love this show!!!!!!!!
14:11, looking at the old lady who's got a distinct "Hey, where's my food?" look on her face.
I had a Tandy DMP-106 (9 pin) and later a Panasonic KXP-2123 which was basically the color version of the 1180. I remember in the manual it said if I was using a program that didn't support the 2123, I should select 1180.
It is indeed 'Computer World'. The Challenger disaster was 86.
I think there's still one of those modem phones in my parents' loft.
The striped video happened a lot, but I can't remember how. It's either mode 6 or 1.
Great episode man, really love seeing these
I remember writing these sorts of BASIC programs on a Tandy 1000 and then of course never actually using them.
24:10 I knew he was about to invoke GIGO! Awesome, and so relevant given the ongoing internet privacy issues and government monitoring scandals going on in the world today.
More like this please! Great format... you could go through magazines or other tv... great idea
Pure class. So glad I found your channel.
Those card sorters were very useful machines. Those numbers marked onto people at Nazi concentration camps were punch card reference numbers. Every one had a card, made it much easier to systematically process them all.
really like these episode commentaries! Can't wait for the next one....
When he loaded that hard disc it reminded me of a waiter serving room service.
Brian Robinson I thought he was going to prod the platters for a minute (and probably ruin hundreds of pounds of storage media)
You mentioned the Challenger disaster when the shuttle footage was shown. Somewhat ironically, the shuttle IN the footage was apparently the Columbia, the other shuttle famously involved in a fatal disaster.
My favorite segment was Mac and K-9 from Doctor Who demonstrating the possibilities of A.I..:)
Ah I miss the dot matrix printer. My first printer was a KXP2180 it was a 9 pin printer. I still have the box for it but sadly not the printer
Loving watching these. Keep it up.
That bloke at the end was channeling Theresa May
Theres-er-er-er "I've already fabricated an answer that contradicts the academic studies and legal decisions quoted by the right honourable gentlemen, and that's why this Tory government is working for everyone" May.
An amusing glimpse at the 80s.
That's called a Bureau, not a Desk.
Archaeologists haven't worked out what they were used for, yet.
Pioneers of the digital ToDo lists
"no pdf's then.."
indeed, it reminds me of when they did the BBC Domesday Project. collected all that information from around the country and stored it onto special disks.. of course, they became obsolete within a couple of years lol. although they did do an effort to transfer it since and you can even see it online.
one of the dangers of using entirely digital media though is the prospect of either losing it or it becoming defunct.
(I typed that before I got to the point you mentioned the Domesday Project)
that journalist is spot on lol
Nothing like watching someone else type out code at one character every two seconds...
Poor Jill must have had an accident with that lathe in the last episode.
The BBC Micro mode they seem to be using is MODE 6 with the background colour set to blue... in MODE 6, there's always black lines between actual lines regardless of what you set the background colour to be.
Ahhh, interesting. I see you can remove the blank lines, but graphical functions are still unusable. beebwiki.mdfs.net/MODE_6 Love these little quirks.
you beat me to it , strange that after all these years I knew straight away it was mode 6 :)
Yeah I knew that mode existed, used to use it at school.
Lovely Jill. I hope she gets better soon !
DirtyBoySingToGod she's still there.. eating chips.
Such relaxing content. Keep up the top work!!!
Loving this series and looking g right back. My first printer was a Star LC24-10 still got it too.
I remember seeing those advertised in Commodore Format (or a close approximation). Always seemed pretty cheap.
Nostalgia Nerd Mine was 2nd hand at the time but like new. Used it on my 1040 STe. Great build quality.
How about an episode on printers?
Star printers were great, I had a Star LC-10, loved how it did colour, ram the print head against the side, ratcheting the ribbon up to one of the 4 ink colours
aerk12 lol and your yellows would end up all orangey or green once the ribbon had been around once. dirty colours. it was fun watching them print and the paper going all buckled because of the wet ink.
I think I had one of those with my Amiga A500. My first printer was the Sinclair printer with it's silvered paper when I had a Spectrum.
And to think these two guys went on to play Chewbacca and R2-D2 :)
I always liked the lined display they used for the programming sections. Could never get the BBCs at school to replicate it. Custom ROM / display mode for the micros used on the show?
After watching this video, I now realise why I became a smoking programmer
Screen mode 6? Can't remember for sure but none graphics, saves memory and makes it easy to read.
The 'interlaced lines' you mentioned at 20:49 was an option on the BBC to make the lines more defined on curved amd often blurry CRT's when using text. I think it was in Mode 7 (telex graphics), but I'm not 100% on that.
them chips looked pretty good... I think I'll get me a PET to help me cook!
Rex is definitely a Minion
Is there a Nostromo reference in every episode? I've got one in at least three of the programmes I have seen so far.
Uh Oh. Strange vertical book stacking in the studio. OK, who got Gozer from 'Ghostbusters' mad?
You're right, no human could have could have stacked those books :)
Better than acrobat reader shit scrolling on mobile.
The hospital menu didn't even have chicken on it, just red meat and a couple fish dishes, I guess cholesterol wasn't as big of an issue in the 80s. At least the chips aren't soggy anymore now patients can get their deep fried chips faster! Although unless the patient required some strict dietary regimen I wouldn't take away a sick person's beef and chips considering hospitals are shit anyway at least the food can give some respite. Probably why canteens even now still have loads of unhealthy food options.
Love these man
I'm the roll top writing desk.
That was a golf ball tractor feed printer I believe pre dot matrix
patient or staff, I thought it you said it 😄
We all thought it.
15:12 "chipped potatoes" is that potato chips? or "chips" meaning, what us yanks would call, "french fries"
Meloe haze they are what you'd call fries. We like them nice and chunky though.
Though what you'd call chips, we'd call crisps. the joys of language.
nice and chunky fries?! I really like the sound of that....bloke??, no that's not the right word......mate!!, that's it. I really like the sound of that mate!! (google translate for the win!! :P)
Goodbye to the flush toilet : water-saving alternatives to
cesspools, septic tanks and sewers / edited by Carol Hupping Stoner ;
special consultant, Patricia M.Nesbitt ; illustrations, Jerry O'Brien.
ISBN 0878571922
Rex's back
for king and country
Challenger disaster was in '86
The Craig Federighi of the 80s
in medium size
Ahh The time before nasa changed the orbiters external tank colour to rust orange
Microsoft : garbage in, garbage out.
now I want "chips" :P
Chris Serle is always so awkward.
The American spelling of program should be universally adopted. Having extra, silent letters in words is inefficient and silly, and we've been trying to get rid of them for hundreds of years. -our should also be replaced by -or, except for flour, where it makes sense.
Challenger was 1986.
There is a lamentable dearth of punch media operated information technologies these days. 😁
@18:40 Those iron bars are spaced way too far apart to be effective.
I think the gaping gap they walked into might be a further disadvantage.
I wonder what these people would do if they saw the exabytes of pr0n on the internet....
do another Bad Influence Episode....! best
Next week, fo'sure.
Nostalgia Nerd hahaha great thanks....a fan here for you...!
i want a chip time table.
Challenger was 86, January 2 b exact.
Bingo!
Yike everything looks soo old school nowaday's from interiors,telephones,computers and the use of boring color, only brown and wite with no personality in it, in fact most peoples at the time did had boring brown & white colored interior, illll.
I can't believe that i was born that year.
Nowaday's you can make your interior in your personal tadte .
johneygd Indeed. Not as classy as when things were black and white though.
Moar please :)
lol.
You call yourself a nerd and not know Kraftwerk? Shame.
I never said I didn't know it.
Dat sexy jewfro.
Whenever I watch old BBC footage nowadays I get chills. There's something very smug and slimy about the presenters and I can't help but wonder how many of them were paedophiles.
What the fudge, man? What in the video made you think about paedopihila? Are you associating smugness to that? This seems a bit of a stretch to me.
With Jimmy Savile, Rolf Harris and other former BBC personalities being exposed as paedophiles and the evidence that BBC covered up scandals within their ranks, I find it hard to perceive the organisation in any other way. The people in this video are probably innocent, but there's just something about BBC presenters from the 70s that make me uneasy nowadays.
Sorry for hijacking your video comments Nostalgia Nerd. I think you rock btw and I love your videos!
Marzeism agreed. that has to be one of the most effed up comments ive read on TH-cam. Seriously, watch most videos from the 70s and 80s from any broadcasting organisation and they sound like this. Talk about narrow minded. Take your bigoted comments somewhere else.
Not true. BBC definitely has a certain type of presenter, even now. They tend to be a lot more smug and high brow than most. No, that doesn't make them paedophiles and I admit it's wrong to judge but the BBC will always be tarnished with that reputation.
That code is the most useless and inefficient code imaginable :)
Basic... what a shit language... No hashes, No linked lists. No pointers to make them.
Kids fuck basic, use assembler and nowadays C/C++