@@anodyne57 That's for sure. I think talking like that about tiktok is meant to point the irrelevant the platform is. And how irrelevant it is in comparison to human dignity.
I praise him for his strength of character to just continue, but I wonder what message that send to the backroom? Not that it is his responsibility or that he should be doing anything, but I can imagine them thinking, “well look, he’s still performing, so what we did wasn’t that bad and we can keep doing it”. He’s stuck in a situation where it’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t
@@mrbtparkyeah cant lie, like osimhen showed how professional he is which is good for any businesses involved. But also shows the club if they can disrespect, the door is open to disrespect again.
The thing is. It's disgusting on every level! But this is a man who led your team to their first title in 3 decades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! An absolute superstar and beast of a player
@@iorekby who is they? and where will he to go ? to England? and what happens when he miised a penalty ? will he be treated like the 3 guys that missed the penalties against Italy in the Eurocup?
U21 National team is light work compared to a club who trains everyday and plays twice a week. Wenger managed Arsenal while narrating France's matches for 10 years (10 trophyless years btw).
The day he leaves napoli he will come out and speak about it, whilst he's there it's him respecting the fact he has a contract and loyalty to the fans. Deep down the guy knows he's been disrespect and you never allow it in a "joking" way so that goes to show the professionalism he has
Fun how, since then, Osimhen seemingly can't shut up about his relationship with Napoli, and always acting like he wants to make sure everyone knows he doesn't like to stay here. He ended up causing such a mess that Napoli literally has a hard time selling him, all while Conte decided to replace him with Lukaku
@@NIDELLANEUMcan you telle what osimhen said about Napoli that is bad? Since you said he kept saying bad things and made a mess. Can you just highlight the mess he made?? You and your club did a bad thing and you guys are not ready or willing to admit that it is bad and unfair. The club made it look like it's a normal thing. Isn't that cringe?? Napoli is a very unprofessional club treating players like trash and it's more worse with the club owner saying bad things against him
Let’s praise Oshimen for his character. His response was to take the pitch and score 👌 class act. He didn’t do a big interview or make a documentary just got on with his job and is dealing with it privately . What a man 💯
I agree but a real man and a leader, whichI faith that he is,holds people accountable and raises the level. We can only hope that he flexed his leadership privately for now and we can hear about it in a Hollywood movie ten years from now.
Every nano second that passes without a formal apology and explanation for the video, and utter unexplainable silence by his teammates and the team, the injustice prevails.
It is true, look what Arsenal did for a struggling payer in Havertz compared to this guy who dragged them to a title they'd have no busines winning without him, some folks just jealous, its exactly how you said, some of those around him can't be trusted in their silence
If you look at the Italian press you will understand how Italians view the matter. Every single person (including Napoli fans) is belittling the situation calling it a “joke”. They truly do not understand, and I am becoming to realise they never will. Before you come at me, I am Afro Italian, born and raised in Italy therefore I do know the issues at stake
Amico, personalmente non trovo razzista il video su Oshimen ma comunque lo trovo stupido. Tanto stupido. Però quello che dici è vero in parte. Anche "fare gli occhi alla cinese" era considerata una cosa comica e non razzista, quando palesemente lo è. Il problema è la cultura che c'è stata fino a 10 anni fa, dove se eri razzista ma "per scherzo" andava bene. Il black humor, però, vorrei continuare ad averlo.
@@hisvoice9239 Is there any difference between "how they treat a nobody" and "imagine how they treat a normal person". The first statement was just a paraphrase. It means exactly the same thing.
The club taking the mick of their own player missing a penalty and mocking them, take out the racial aspect, wtf are these clowns in the social media side of the clubs thinking. Doesnt matter if the player was white or black, you are literally taking the piss out of them and its not funny in any way. I dont blame the player getting annoyed, he literally scored the goals that got them a title last season, his transfer whenever it happens will make the club a shed load of cash and this is how they think they should be treated??. This isnt about being woke or offended its about common sense and not doing it in the first place
@@jackwilliam2965 How can you label that as institutionally racist? You snowflakes are making a fuss about everything, he was mocked by his own supporters because he was complaining that he wanted to leave for the last 3 or 4 months. You must be hit in the head if you think there is some kind of racism at Napoli when there are more Africans than in the entire Italy + even the Napoli citizens don't consider themselves Italians but Neapolitan. Please educate yourself before using words like racism.
@@jackwilliam2965 everybody knows this about Italian football , the Spaniards are close second in that regard . Gazetto de La sport , the biggest sports news paper ,printed a cartoon of Balotelli as King Kong scaling the London Tower . Don’t know why Thierry and Micah are shocked , they both played over there . Nothing new.
@@ericburckson727 you know that stupid people are everywhere, right? Don't you remember what happened to Saka, Sancho and Rashford after the Euro 2020 final? Labeling a whole country racist because of few incidents made by some people is racist as well.
Looked like he was trying to make himself seem above people that are just in the loop, it's 2023 everyone knows and in some way uses entertainment that was taken out of TikTok. Pretty lame imo
Talk about past Napoli players who HAVE missed PENALTIES, INSIGNE, MERTENS, etc. This is a guy who gave his best last season, emerging the Calcio Serie top scorer. The fans no doubt love him. As Micah rightly said, what will Legal matters do? Absolutely nothing. We sure haven't heard the last of this.
Noticed that as well. He briefly stated his opinion in the beginning and then stepped back completely and just listened. This pundit team really is amazing. Extremely entertaining but every one of them shows pure class when it's required.
Although I don’t think Carragher could put a lot of input, I think he should try more. Thierry himself said that he’d like to hear from different perspectives and people than him and Micah because he KNOWS what people like them will say. He cited that empathy is a universal trait among people and that you can have an impact on a conversation such as this without actually being a part of that community.
What's great about Henry's input is that he separates the different levels, like racism is surely a truth and headline, but there so much more wrong that hypothetically if it wasn't overtly racist it would still be grounds for this level of backlash. Just astoundingly bad. Edit: heated comments! I’ll just reiterate my stance for my sake. The imagery of him “as a coconut” is inherently related to his race, there can be no denial of that. The question of racism lies in intent/purpose. The TikTok (not a tweet) is very clearly a negative portrayal of the person, to then add the race-related (really stupid) “joke” it can only really be interpreted one way. Personally, I don’t assume or cast the label of racist on the individual creator of the video, let alone Napoli and their production, I think it is a fair assessment to see the fault in an attempt to use a TikTok sound to be humorous and ending up harshly in line with a racist concept and not cast as harsh a personal judgement. Also to assert Henry is wrong for acknowledging what used to be a social safety net, (I know it’s hard for people to grasp these things) being a semi-violent response to a clear social foul, is so incredibly insulated and modern and wrong on so many levels, shut up. Ted talk done
There is NOTHING racist in this tweet. Absolutely nothing, a white player would have had a light fruit used! So this would be racist against Giroud for example, if his team did this with light fruit with him?! Ridiculous racist double standards, nothing racist about this.
Napoli were on fire on every level last season that they won the league. They were on their way to fighting for the champion's league, the lost control when OSIMEN got injured, meaning he was their savior, and now the club is against him. WHAT A SHAME.
@@anthonystephenheath3752Napoli cannot afford to overprice Osimhen if he keeps his calm and runs down his contract to leave on a free in 18 months it would be perfect and poetic justice
I agree with Richards "Victor Osimhen is their hero imagine how they would treat a (black/brown) normal person in the street. Richards is implying they would treat black/brown people worse. Terrible situation we are in the world we live in because of our colour.
@rdvanbilgic341 true, and I'd add that he really loves Napoli as a city, a club, and a fanbase, and wants to stay. People tend to forget that moving to a different club is life changing for any player, as it would be for a normal person to move a different country for work, so it was quite a big decision that he probably wasn't ready to take. It wasn't worth it because he's in his prime there. As a Milan fan, I imagined if the situation happened to Leao for example. He absolutely loves Milan with a passion I've rarely seen from any of our other players. If something like that happened to him, I don't think he would have left, even if most fans (including myself) wouldn't be mad at him for it.
I don't think board members/ president would have any idea about tiktok and social media, Should the club be taken into consideration for mistake that SM admin made, ? Should the 1st question asked be does this resonate with entire club memwbers ?
@@thedude9014 you are right may be only one did it but Napoli is not willing to take action to whomever did it. The silence speaks volumes. Simple apology would put it to rest.
@@GereHadush I think it took time for them to understand what the problem was ,XD even now people those running in defence of Oshimen , some of them are complaining about the penalty video and others about the coconut (btw I have never heard about comparing a black person to a coconut being racist) . we , in Naples , have the feeling that it's partially about the difficoulties to renew the contract and this was used as a pretest to force a transfer. of course the videos were stupid as well but it's tiktok , I myself am afraid to join not to lose neurons
I will love to have my countryman at Villa. It will be sensational watching him lead us to a premier league victory and a champions league cup next season.
One major detail missing from the coverage: Napoli has 100% of image rights of their players. So using Osimhen's image like this is legally legit, but they're actually defaming him. The player is entitled to a lawsuit, but the renewal problem goes beyond that. And the PK TikTok is just cringe - you can be banter-ish to your own player, but this is cringe and stupid.
@jasonpeters6600 u heard what they said it's making fun of African Street vendors, but even before I knew that the tone of it all does not warrant giving napoli's tiktok the benefit of the doubt, then skin toned fruit games on top of that? It sounds like someone who doesn't even kno that watermelon or banana is specifically anti black imagery for us trying to make up their own way to insult us...
I really felt Micah's words at the end there. You could tell he was just exasperated by the whole thing. I just can't believe both Italy and Spain are still so far behind on these racism issues. I'm glad the social media manager for Napoli had the sense to quit his job because frankly he should have been fired
Man i'm sure that there's less racism in Italy than in England. Don't know about Spain, but i believe it's the same. The racism issue is on the streets and in everyday life, not in the stadium.
The WORST part for me in all of these is that they categorically said they weren't gonna apologise to the poor lad. I mean, they released a statement, but that was far from an apology in my opinion- if they somehow did apologise to him internally/privately, its still NOT considered an apology. Its just BARBARIC & BIZZARE that this is still happening in 2023.
They didn’t even say we apologise or say sorry you’re not wrong brodie anybody calling it an apology is a boot licker😭their statement was merely a defence argument not an apology
This might be an unpopular view, but in my opinion, Oshimen should be proud of himself. Brush it off and angle for a move. Jealousy is real thing and when it's from your own club, just goes to show how much of a talent Oshimen is.
Jamie is right... if its a fan page then thats one thing, bjt the official team page is beyond comprehension. Waiting 30 years for a title & running the best player out of town right after?? Never go full r*t4rd
this would be like Liverpool making fun of Salah on their instagram page after losing to United or some other big 6. What weird behavior! Liverpool fans would lose their minds, where are the Napoli fans? The man literally won them their first scudetto in decades!
in England they are all royalties, and in Spain too for sure... there's racism everywhere and if not FIFA and UEFA the single leagues should take initiatives, not for show but real
Honestly, I'm mostly just confused above anything else. I simply cannot wrap my head around who in their right mind at Napoli would even think about making anything to publicly mock your own player. I always try to look at something from the other persons perspective, but I'm absolutely buffels by this one. No words, just a headshake.
It was really disgusting from Napoli. You're top goal scorer that led you to a league trophy in decades. He misses a penalty and you do that, I never shout racism but this was racially motivated I'm sorry it was.
There is NOTHING racist in this tweet. Absolutely nothing, a white player would have had a light fruit used! So this would be racist against Giroud for example, if his team did this with light fruit with him?! Ridiculous racist double standards, nothing racist about this.
Share one concrete fact that makes this for certain motivated by racism?! So they shouldn’t use fruits similar colour to the player?! What fruit would not have been racist according to your freak mind?! There is NOTHING racist in this tweet. Absolutely nothing, a white player would have had a light fruit used! So this would be racist against Giroud for example, if his team did this with light fruit with him?! Ridiculous racist double standards, nothing racist about this.
@AndreasViking1 if this, if that. Are you a person of colour, Show me where and when a white player was mocked with a light fruit? By black social media managers. It's offensive and racist.
@@wildmanmike100 Well guess what mate, I'm from Nigeria. Let me ask you a question, If Kvara missed that penalty, would he have been mocked with a coconut?
we, Naples fans, are even more stunned than Henry. It's an unconsidered lack of professionality, a total disrespect, and whoever responsible shout be fired. But we suspect the input coming from De Laurentiis family (not Aurelio, the president), so nothing will happen
He cant speak more than them and he knows. He is showin ghis utmost respect for the matter by not saying too much so as not to seem like he is as experienced as them in this matter. He did the right thing. He spoke up and then sat back and let them run the narrative because its the right thing to do.
I immediately agree with Micah's point. Common sense says that, regardless of intent, that post is going to be interpreted as racist by most people. And, given what we still see and hear about Italian football, I'm one of those people. Also, I've never heard coconut used as an insult. There are so many words you can use to make fun of someone, so that word choice is damming for Napoli.
Attaching the image of a coconut to a fellow human is not all that distant from that of a banana, one of the white racist fans' favorite way of trying to insult and demean black-skinned players. But they claim they're just having a little fun...or so they say.
What makes it worse is that Napoli is a corporation, meaning there’s the people who made the video, and then the people that said yes and signed it off to be published so there’s more than just the video creator, it’s the whole marketing department and does this also stem as far down as De Laurentiis, who once stated he didn’t want to sign African players at one point… it’s a whole problem, from top to bottom at the club and it needs to be sorted.
Regardless of what you think of the content of the post - if a player makes a post mocking their club, even a rlly silly one, they probably get fined tens of thousands of dollars, have to apologize and get benched the next game...but if a club mocks their player its ok? Ppl saying its soft or whatever - where are your principles? Regardless of the content this is wrong.
My first understanding was they were mocking him for being stupid cuz he's asking for taking the penalty and didn't score. Therefore calling him coconut as in stupid. Tho tbh I genuinely don't understand why calling coconut means stupid moreover as racist thing (maybe it's an Italian thing? I genuinely dunno) But in the first place, why on earth would a team mocks their own player in a social media? Who tf approves to release that video ffs
Coconut is used as a pejorative term in certain ethnic communities to describe a sell out due to the inside being lighter than the outside. To even associate that with a black player from Nigeria is beyond clumsy and racist.
@@mediacenterman8583 Share one concrete fact that makes this for certain motivated by racism?! So they shouldn’t use fruits similar colour to the player?! What fruit would not have been racist according to your freak mind?! There is NOTHING racist in this tweet. Absolutely nothing, a white player would have had a light fruit used! So this would be racist against Giroud for example, if his team did this with light fruit with him?! Ridiculous racist double standards, nothing racist about this.
Inter fans have allowed Cagliari fans scream racists chants at Lukaku when he played there…. The fact that a team can have black players yet fans will be racist to the black players of the ops, I grew up in Italy as mixed and I felt it as a young kid playing football, it’s embarrassing
How do we "allowed"? It was in Cagliari 20 k sardinians and just 3k of us we tried to chant louder but we couldn't do much more? Why you have to lie like that, disgusting, we respected and love that prick and he betrayed us and still nobody ever racially abuse him from our side we are not Verona or Cagliari fans.
@@dappadondadda100 I live in the states and visit il bel paese as much as I can, I was born in Florence and my dads from Veneto… are you implying I have no right to judge? I grew up in Friuli where even being from the South was worth mentioning to players as if that’s an insult, we have a lot to learn regardless of the cultural inheritance that we are all lucky to have and share… Italians do very well abroad and we are loved, so peeps around the world don’t understand how we still have “episodes” of racism
@danielballarin9084 ... nah, I'm not implying anything. You can judge if you want to. I just wanted to know if you're in Italy still and to ask about the current climate of things as I'm thinking of visiting. But if it will be hostile, then I will wait.
Well Insigna, Mertens, Chucky and many players weren't happy in Napoli. Too bad it takes too long to know what really happens within a club. They have some serious internal problems.
And remember, Henry deleted his twitter account in protest against the app tolerating racism. No major figure in football followed his lead. People rather complain than take action. (I know this incident was on tiktok, I'm making a greater point)
Share one concrete fact that makes this for certain motivated by racism?! So they shouldn’t use fruits similar colour to the player?! What fruit would not have been racist according to your freak mind?! There is NOTHING racist in this tweet. Absolutely nothing, a white player would have had a light fruit used! So this would be racist against Giroud for example, if his team did this with light fruit with him?! Ridiculous racist double standards, nothing racist about this.
@Andreas, So, is it only Osimhen that has lost a penalty for Napoli? Lobotka lost a crucial penalty against Cremonese last year during Coppa Italia, no abuse. Zielensky, Kvara (has not scored a single goal was since March until his last week's goal against Udinese) name them have recently lost penalty... no abuse on them. And Osimhen that led the club to its Scudeto title after 33 years lost a penalty and got that unreasonable abuse, And you're coming here to say it is not racially motivated? Stop joking, please, or better try to learn what racism is.
Meanwhile they called Kvara king Napoli and credit for scudetto. Also kvara defended his teammate against Vinicius getting racially abused 4:20 also good point
I mean... It is Italy. You've got Lazio fans and match-fixing, Balotelli situations, threats from mafia etc. No doubt Serie A is a top league with crazy atmospheres, rich history but can't deny it's also a rather... peculiar place in world football
If I was running that club, I'd fire the entire marketing team. Make them all accountable for what they put out, set a precedent that you will NOT tolerate it whatsoever.
And you find some Italians blaming Osimhen for being angry at this, how are these people are they real humans, the man is being mocked yet you blaming him for your mistakes. Oooooh good Lord
The fact that Thierry knows nothing about tiktok is pure legendary.
Again, his analysis come from deepest. He doesn't just talk
What's legendary about it? Not everyone is enamoured by social media mate
Agreed...but I can't seriously believe he doesn't even know what TikTok is. A little bit of pretending there I think.
@@anodyne57 That's for sure. I think talking like that about tiktok is meant to point the irrelevant the platform is. And how irrelevant it is in comparison to human dignity.
@@anodyne57he knows what it is he just doesn't care
How is that legendary 🤣
"Whatever toktok ticktick" says everything about a legend
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Micah trying to not laugh 😂
@@FSousA7X i saw that lol
he sounds like me dad
lmao it's just a video platform, so offended for what. it's giving boomer
It's players like Osimhen that need praising and idolising. Pure character. Pure professional. No drama, carried on playing and scoring.
I praise him for his strength of character to just continue, but I wonder what message that send to the backroom? Not that it is his responsibility or that he should be doing anything, but I can imagine them thinking, “well look, he’s still performing, so what we did wasn’t that bad and we can keep doing it”. He’s stuck in a situation where it’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t
@@mrbtparkyeah cant lie, like osimhen showed how professional he is which is good for any businesses involved. But also shows the club if they can disrespect, the door is open to disrespect again.
praise god
idolize god
Perfectly said 👏
The thing is. It's disgusting on every level! But this is a man who led your team to their first title in 3 decades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! An absolute superstar and beast of a player
He should just leave tbh they don’t deserve him
Yea....the fans and the club are two seperate things. it's best he leaves.
Once he inevitably leaves it will be another 3 decades before they win anotehr title, then they'll understand how offensive and messed up this was.
@@iorekby who is they? and where will he to go ? to England? and what happens when he miised a penalty ? will he be treated like the 3 guys that missed the penalties against Italy in the Eurocup?
@@thedude9014 being insulted by the fan is something, but being insulted by your own club is totally different
how henry juggle his coaching and pundit job at the same time, really impressive
I’ve never actually thought of that really impressive
U21 National team is light work compared to a club who trains everyday and plays twice a week. Wenger managed Arsenal while narrating France's matches for 10 years (10 trophyless years btw).
True was wondering if he put his coaching on pause for UCL.
How is it impressive he's an international coach, they only meet a few times in the yr..
If he was managing club football then yes , but no champions league games will be on at the same time as France u21
I love Henry. Always honest in his analysis
The day he leaves napoli he will come out and speak about it, whilst he's there it's him respecting the fact he has a contract and loyalty to the fans. Deep down the guy knows he's been disrespect and you never allow it in a "joking" way so that goes to show the professionalism he has
Piers Morgan interview 😂
They did something similar to Lozano last season, he left the club
Fun how, since then, Osimhen seemingly can't shut up about his relationship with Napoli, and always acting like he wants to make sure everyone knows he doesn't like to stay here. He ended up causing such a mess that Napoli literally has a hard time selling him, all while Conte decided to replace him with Lukaku
@@NIDELLANEUMcan you telle what osimhen said about Napoli that is bad? Since you said he kept saying bad things and made a mess. Can you just highlight the mess he made?? You and your club did a bad thing and you guys are not ready or willing to admit that it is bad and unfair. The club made it look like it's a normal thing. Isn't that cringe?? Napoli is a very unprofessional club treating players like trash and it's more worse with the club owner saying bad things against him
Let’s praise Oshimen for his character. His response was to take the pitch and score 👌 class act. He didn’t do a big interview or make a documentary just got on with his job and is dealing with it privately . What a man 💯
I think when you know that the Love for you is stronger than the hate (or racism in this case), giving it attention might give it power.
I agree but a real man and a leader, whichI faith that he is,holds people accountable and raises the level. We can only hope that he flexed his leadership privately for now and we can hear about it in a Hollywood movie ten years from now.
I think a team with some serious calibre takes him January, and he will have deserved it. I hear Real are looking for a new sniper.
It's good that he didn't go to Mr Piers Morgan
@@jcflores1774 I don't think that is the case here...
Every nano second that passes without a formal apology and explanation for the video, and utter unexplainable silence by his teammates and the team, the injustice prevails.
It is true, look what Arsenal did for a struggling payer in Havertz compared to this guy who dragged them to a title they'd have no busines winning without him, some folks just jealous, its exactly how you said, some of those around him can't be trusted in their silence
This BS about showing his response on the pitch dos not cut it. I think he should shout at the top of his voice. We are sick of taking it lying down.
He'll leave, possibly as early as January but at the latest by end of season. Then Napoli won't be so blase about this.
Just for information, they posted an apology the 28th of September.
@@thedude6184 Try as much as it can. The Leopard cant change it spots. 😃
Osihmen deserves a move to a great club that will appreciate him for the great player he is, wish him all the best
Real Madrid
Chelsea
Get him straight to Newcastle Utd where we will revere him.
I LOVE that Henry doesn't know or care what TikTok is.
Just when I thought I'm the only one who's disgusted by tik whatever
He just pretends. Even my grandma knows what TikTok is.
Bro doesn't even get his jokes hahahaha Henry is a actor bro, does and says things exactly gor reactions like yours
Whatever 😂😂😂
@@Kone347 Well yeh he's definitely exaggerating, but still.
If you look at the Italian press you will understand how Italians view the matter. Every single person (including Napoli fans) is belittling the situation calling it a “joke”. They truly do not understand, and I am becoming to realise they never will. Before you come at me, I am Afro Italian, born and raised in Italy therefore I do know the issues at stake
@@Reppo80085 You're part of the problem..... and lowkey racist by your statement.
Amico, personalmente non trovo razzista il video su Oshimen ma comunque lo trovo stupido. Tanto stupido. Però quello che dici è vero in parte. Anche "fare gli occhi alla cinese" era considerata una cosa comica e non razzista, quando palesemente lo è. Il problema è la cultura che c'è stata fino a 10 anni fa, dove se eri razzista ma "per scherzo" andava bene. Il black humor, però, vorrei continuare ad averlo.
@@Reppo80085Your parents did an amazing job raising you. They must have worked really hard to pass down the bigotry
The truth is that they know exactly what they are doing. They just don’t care.
@@kgothatsomorena2774 who is they?
Micah last point
(That’s their ⭐️,Imagine how they treat a nobody!)
That ain't what he said. He said "imagine how they treat a normal person" so next time please listen carefully
@@hisvoice9239 You must be fun at parties.
@@hisvoice9239 I stand corrected.
@@hisvoice9239 Is there any difference between "how they treat a nobody" and "imagine how they treat a normal person".
The first statement was just a paraphrase. It means exactly the same thing.
@@seuna.8438exactly 😂
The club taking the mick of their own player missing a penalty and mocking them, take out the racial aspect, wtf are these clowns in the social media side of the clubs thinking. Doesnt matter if the player was white or black, you are literally taking the piss out of them and its not funny in any way. I dont blame the player getting annoyed, he literally scored the goals that got them a title last season, his transfer whenever it happens will make the club a shed load of cash and this is how they think they should be treated??. This isnt about being woke or offended its about common sense and not doing it in the first place
Yeah and their answer to osimhen was basically get over it it's just jokes xD I swear they want him gone or something has to be on purpose
No one sacked, the club never apologised. They expect him to carry on like nothing happened. The harsh reality is they are institutionally racist.
@@jackwilliam2965 How can you label that as institutionally racist? You snowflakes are making a fuss about everything, he was mocked by his own supporters because he was complaining that he wanted to leave for the last 3 or 4 months. You must be hit in the head if you think there is some kind of racism at Napoli when there are more Africans than in the entire Italy + even the Napoli citizens don't consider themselves Italians but Neapolitan. Please educate yourself before using words like racism.
@@jackwilliam2965 everybody knows this about Italian football , the Spaniards are close second in that regard . Gazetto de La sport , the biggest sports news paper ,printed a cartoon of Balotelli as King Kong scaling the London Tower . Don’t know why Thierry and Micah are shocked , they both played over there . Nothing new.
@@ericburckson727 you know that stupid people are everywhere, right? Don't you remember what happened to Saka, Sancho and Rashford after the Euro 2020 final? Labeling a whole country racist because of few incidents made by some people is racist as well.
The fact that Henry doesn’t even know what Tik Tok is makes me love him even more.
Actor like an actor. Even my grandma knows what TikTok is.
Looked like he was trying to make himself seem above people that are just in the loop, it's 2023 everyone knows and in some way uses entertainment that was taken out of TikTok. Pretty lame imo
@@jvimxxhow fam? He’s old school they care nothing about the internet 🤡
@@jvimxxno they're genuinely a lot of people that don't know tictoc. I envy those people not subjected to the cringe on that app.
Henry articulated it perfectly. Legend.
Talk about past Napoli players who HAVE missed PENALTIES, INSIGNE, MERTENS, etc. This is a guy who gave his best last season, emerging the Calcio Serie top scorer. The fans no doubt love him.
As Micah rightly said, what will Legal matters do? Absolutely nothing. We sure haven't heard the last of this.
Why go so far. Kvara missed a penalty in the ucl quarter final against AC Milan just last season. Why wasn’t he ridiculed as well?
@@nagtayagainst Frankfurt aswell 😅
@@nagtay because it's a matter of contract renewal
Thierry Henry is one of those legends not only on the pitch but outside of it as well.
I like how Carragher remained quiet mostly cause you can understand, but you can't relate.
Noticed that as well. He briefly stated his opinion in the beginning and then stepped back completely and just listened. This pundit team really is amazing. Extremely entertaining but every one of them shows pure class when it's required.
Yes! Respectful and learning even at his age.
Atleast he is not as racist as Del Piero
@@TheMaestromMephisto When was Piero racist
Although I don’t think Carragher could put a lot of input, I think he should try more. Thierry himself said that he’d like to hear from different perspectives and people than him and Micah because he KNOWS what people like them will say. He cited that empathy is a universal trait among people and that you can have an impact on a conversation such as this without actually being a part of that community.
Continuing scoring showing your love for the fans shows you the class and strength of osimhen
I think the guys tackled this topic really well 👏🏾💯
I agree 💯
What's great about Henry's input is that he separates the different levels, like racism is surely a truth and headline, but there so much more wrong that hypothetically if it wasn't overtly racist it would still be grounds for this level of backlash. Just astoundingly bad.
Edit: heated comments! I’ll just reiterate my stance for my sake. The imagery of him “as a coconut” is inherently related to his race, there can be no denial of that. The question of racism lies in intent/purpose. The TikTok (not a tweet) is very clearly a negative portrayal of the person, to then add the race-related (really stupid) “joke” it can only really be interpreted one way. Personally, I don’t assume or cast the label of racist on the individual creator of the video, let alone Napoli and their production, I think it is a fair assessment to see the fault in an attempt to use a TikTok sound to be humorous and ending up harshly in line with a racist concept and not cast as harsh a personal judgement. Also to assert Henry is wrong for acknowledging what used to be a social safety net, (I know it’s hard for people to grasp these things) being a semi-violent response to a clear social foul, is so incredibly insulated and modern and wrong on so many levels, shut up.
Ted talk done
There is NOTHING racist in this tweet. Absolutely nothing, a white player would have had a light fruit used!
So this would be racist against Giroud for example, if his team did this with light fruit with him?!
Ridiculous racist double standards, nothing racist about this.
But now did it happen to giroud or a white player? stop talking in hypothesis, the fact is it happened to Oshimen a black player.@@AndreasViking1
@@AndreasViking1 try that on the streets & find out.
@@oomz1975 haha so humiliating. Only wimps make EMPTY threats, no tough person ever does this. Beyond embarrassing
@@oomz1975 which streets, i would love doing this on the street so much more
Napoli were on fire on every level last season that they won the league. They were on their way to fighting for the champion's league, the lost control when OSIMEN got injured, meaning he was their savior, and now the club is against him. WHAT A SHAME.
Perfect!!!
We haven't had a pure striker since Van Persie. Osimhen to Arsenal!!!
You couldn’t afford him he would be 120 million odd plus
@@anthonystephenheath3752 I will not pretend to know what Arsenal can or cannot do... who knows?!
@@anthonystephenheath3752Napoli cannot afford to overprice Osimhen if he keeps his calm and runs down his contract to leave on a free in 18 months it would be perfect and poetic justice
...and then to Man United, i will be there yes
Chelsea bound all day
I agree with Richards "Victor Osimhen is their hero imagine how they would treat a (black/brown) normal person in the street. Richards is implying they would treat black/brown people worse. Terrible situation we are in the world we live in because of our colour.
Definitely the case.
during the live broadcast, that line made me genuinely pause. Solidly put Micah.
Have you ever been to Napoli? Enough said
oh boy implying much here...
@@akxn2162 I’ve been
Osi is very happy in Galatasaray at the moment 🎉
Henry is just astonished. There just isn't a logical explanation!
I wish Osimhen actually stood his ground and took millions out of Napoli's pocket instead of backpedalling like he did.
They compensated him
@@Thembisile13 it feels like a cop out when it could've been (and should've been) much worse for Napoli
@rdvanbilgic341 true, and I'd add that he really loves Napoli as a city, a club, and a fanbase, and wants to stay. People tend to forget that moving to a different club is life changing for any player, as it would be for a normal person to move a different country for work, so it was quite a big decision that he probably wasn't ready to take. It wasn't worth it because he's in his prime there.
As a Milan fan, I imagined if the situation happened to Leao for example. He absolutely loves Milan with a passion I've rarely seen from any of our other players. If something like that happened to him, I don't think he would have left, even if most fans (including myself) wouldn't be mad at him for it.
I don't think board members/ president would have any idea about tiktok and social media,
Should the club be taken into consideration for mistake that SM admin made, ?
Should the 1st question asked be does this resonate with entire club memwbers ?
I 💯 agree. He should have demanded a transfer to a rival and smashed their heads the next time he saw them on the field.
Very difficult to analyse - Osimhen. leaves it all on the pitch every match. He misses a pen & you do this.
tok Tok Tik tik what is the name of it 😂
Napoli mocking Osimhen is not only bad perception for Napli but for the SeriA in general. Perception is a reality!
One social media did it , not the rest of 3 millions people
@@thedude9014 you are right may be only one did it but Napoli is not willing to take action to whomever did it. The silence speaks volumes. Simple apology would put it to rest.
@@GereHadush I think it took time for them to understand what the problem was ,XD even now people those running in defence of Oshimen , some of them are complaining about the penalty video and others about the coconut (btw I have never heard about comparing a black person to a coconut being racist) . we , in Naples , have the feeling that it's partially about the difficoulties to renew the contract and this was used as a pretest to force a transfer. of course the videos were stupid as well but it's tiktok , I myself am afraid to join not to lose neurons
@@GereHadush they did aplogize and the guy was fired or left (it's not clear)
@@thedude9014 Didn't hear about that. Thank you for sharing.
henry is the goat! one of footballs greatest
We would love to have him at Villa - he’s a legend
Now that would be an insult 😂
thats just an insult mate
I will love to have my countryman at Villa. It will be sensational watching him lead us to a premier league victory and a champions league cup next season.
That more of an insult than the Napoli joke
I sincerely thank the people of Napoli. Thanks to them, we got the best striker in the world.
One major detail missing from the coverage: Napoli has 100% of image rights of their players. So using Osimhen's image like this is legally legit, but they're actually defaming him. The player is entitled to a lawsuit, but the renewal problem goes beyond that. And the PK TikTok is just cringe - you can be banter-ish to your own player, but this is cringe and stupid.
It's rasict mate
@@jimmysays6072 simple lol exactly
It's simple racism.
@@jasonpeters6600 there is no way you are a real human being with real thoughts and comment this.
@jasonpeters6600 u heard what they said it's making fun of African Street vendors, but even before I knew that the tone of it all does not warrant giving napoli's tiktok the benefit of the doubt, then skin toned fruit games on top of that? It sounds like someone who doesn't even kno that watermelon or banana is specifically anti black imagery for us trying to make up their own way to insult us...
As a Neapolitan I am simply embarrassed….
I really felt Micah's words at the end there. You could tell he was just exasperated by the whole thing. I just can't believe both Italy and Spain are still so far behind on these racism issues. I'm glad the social media manager for Napoli had the sense to quit his job because frankly he should have been fired
Man i'm sure that there's less racism in Italy than in England. Don't know about Spain, but i believe it's the same. The racism issue is on the streets and in everyday life, not in the stadium.
@@PaolinoChannel91bao lol then you know nothing about England
@@aboladeakintunde5529wait for saka or bellingham to miss a pen for england again youll see it
@@aboladeakintunde5529THE UK voted Brexit mainly on racism to keep foreigners out of the country. The UK is the most racist country around.
@@nethanlock5008lol I wonder what would happen if you gave Italy the same chance 😂. Trust me a lot of foreigners also voted out
The WORST part for me in all of these is that they categorically said they weren't gonna apologise to the poor lad. I mean, they released a statement, but that was far from an apology in my opinion- if they somehow did apologise to him internally/privately, its still NOT considered an apology. Its just BARBARIC & BIZZARE that this is still happening in 2023.
They didn’t even say we apologise or say sorry you’re not wrong brodie anybody calling it an apology is a boot licker😭their statement was merely a defence argument not an apology
"Tok tok tik tik" - Thierry Henry. Splendid comment about a trash app.
I think Napoli should have prevented this from heating up by just apologising straight up
This might be an unpopular view, but in my opinion, Oshimen should be proud of himself. Brush it off and angle for a move. Jealousy is real thing and when it's from your own club, just goes to show how much of a talent Oshimen is.
Jamie is right... if its a fan page then thats one thing, bjt the official team page is beyond comprehension. Waiting 30 years for a title & running the best player out of town right after?? Never go full r*t4rd
I’m a peacock Bob, you gotta let me fly!
@@NotSoRandom_lol
this would be like Liverpool making fun of Salah on their instagram page after losing to United or some other big 6. What weird behavior! Liverpool fans would lose their minds, where are the Napoli fans? The man literally won them their first scudetto in decades!
This isn't the worst from the Italian sport, Lukaku suffered and went back which was a lot worse baffles me.
in England they are all royalties, and in Spain too for sure... there's racism everywhere and if not FIFA and UEFA the single leagues should take initiatives, not for show but real
Irrational hate towards an entire fan base and country. Then who is the real racist here?
@@mell91349 have you been to Italy?
@@mell91349itrational ? Whats irrational is their constant belligerent racism. Haters deserve hate.
Balotelli probably got it the worst, and he was on the national team
LOL this video ending with the champions league song is the cherry on top tho
Carragher is me in a group discussion
😂😂
this is a serious topic and i'm glad they discussed it, but i can't help but chuckle at the most replayed part .
Honestly, I'm mostly just confused above anything else. I simply cannot wrap my head around who in their right mind at Napoli would even think about making anything to publicly mock your own player. I always try to look at something from the other persons perspective, but I'm absolutely buffels by this one. No words, just a headshake.
meeks point is strong. he is their hero and they treat him like that...what would they do to a normal person on the street...
It was really disgusting from Napoli. You're top goal scorer that led you to a league trophy in decades. He misses a penalty and you do that, I never shout racism but this was racially motivated I'm sorry it was.
There is NOTHING racist in this tweet. Absolutely nothing, a white player would have had a light fruit used!
So this would be racist against Giroud for example, if his team did this with light fruit with him?!
Ridiculous racist double standards, nothing racist about this.
Share one concrete fact that makes this for certain motivated by racism?!
So they shouldn’t use fruits similar colour to the player?! What fruit would not have been racist according to your freak mind?!
There is NOTHING racist in this tweet. Absolutely nothing, a white player would have had a light fruit used!
So this would be racist against Giroud for example, if his team did this with light fruit with him?!
Ridiculous racist double standards, nothing racist about this.
@@AndreasViking1 ....🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@AndreasViking1 if this, if that. Are you a person of colour, Show me where and when a white player was mocked with a light fruit? By black social media managers. It's offensive and racist.
@@wildmanmike100 Well guess what mate, I'm from Nigeria. Let me ask you a question, If Kvara missed that penalty, would he have been mocked with a coconut?
Some things are DEEPLY ingrained. That will NOT changed. Not surprised.
we, Naples fans, are even more stunned than Henry. It's an unconsidered lack of professionality, a total disrespect, and whoever responsible shout be fired. But we suspect the input coming from De Laurentiis family (not Aurelio, the president), so nothing will happen
Let him come to Manchester united we love him❤
I like how Jamie is silent
He has no choice.
Sometimes its ok to just listen
@@kingkonhohe definitely does you sick racist
He cant speak more than them and he knows. He is showin ghis utmost respect for the matter by not saying too much so as not to seem like he is as experienced as them in this matter. He did the right thing. He spoke up and then sat back and let them run the narrative because its the right thing to do.
@@OPFCartoons there was no racism so no this was racist to Jamie if you think he was expected to be silent from a non racist joke
You know it’s serious when Thierry Henry stops joking
Great podcast 👍
What shocks me is that the club hasnt apologized and the coach brushed it off, he should plan an exit in january as soon as possible
I immediately agree with Micah's point. Common sense says that, regardless of intent, that post is going to be interpreted as racist by most people. And, given what we still see and hear about Italian football, I'm one of those people.
Also, I've never heard coconut used as an insult. There are so many words you can use to make fun of someone, so that word choice is damming for Napoli.
Attaching the image of a coconut to a fellow human is not all that distant from that of a banana, one of the white racist fans' favorite way of trying to insult and demean black-skinned players. But they claim they're just having a little fun...or so they say.
This is why No Big Player wants to go to the Serie A cos of its Racist Nature hence why they Operating on a Loss For many Years now…
Coconut could also mean stupid.. because they are pretty much hollow
If he doesn’t leave that club in January or by the end of the season, he will face more than that in no distant time
''This is their hero who won them the league, so imagine what they do to a normal person in the streets.''
What makes it worse is that Napoli is a corporation, meaning there’s the people who made the video, and then the people that said yes and signed it off to be published so there’s more than just the video creator, it’s the whole marketing department and does this also stem as far down as De Laurentiis, who once stated he didn’t want to sign African players at one point… it’s a whole problem, from top to bottom at the club and it needs to be sorted.
The worst part is the eupporters didn't get angry with the club about this but were angry with the player for getting upset
Toktokticktick is what im gonna call it from now on. Thanks Titi
The disrespect is absurd,leave in January brother!
I did not realize this was the same as calling someone an "oreo" at first and was so confused as to why people were upset. Wow that is shocking
I love Carra, 0:39
1:26 The tock tock tik tik
Regardless of what you think of the content of the post - if a player makes a post mocking their club, even a rlly silly one, they probably get fined tens of thousands of dollars, have to apologize and get benched the next game...but if a club mocks their player its ok? Ppl saying its soft or whatever - where are your principles? Regardless of the content this is wrong.
Jamie nervously quiet slowly reminded himself how Steven Gerrard and El hadji Douf altercation whent down. 🤔🤔
Luis Suarez Patrice Evra
My first understanding was they were mocking him for being stupid cuz he's asking for taking the penalty and didn't score. Therefore calling him coconut as in stupid. Tho tbh I genuinely don't understand why calling coconut means stupid moreover as racist thing (maybe it's an Italian thing? I genuinely dunno)
But in the first place, why on earth would a team mocks their own player in a social media? Who tf approves to release that video ffs
Coconut is used as a pejorative term in certain ethnic communities to describe a sell out due to the inside being lighter than the outside. To even associate that with a black player from Nigeria is beyond clumsy and racist.
@mediacenterman8583 Thanks for explaining.
If you dunno as you claim, just stop commenting coz how do people evaluate what you post after feigning ignorance!
@@mediacenterman8583 Share one concrete fact that makes this for certain motivated by racism?!
So they shouldn’t use fruits similar colour to the player?! What fruit would not have been racist according to your freak mind?!
There is NOTHING racist in this tweet. Absolutely nothing, a white player would have had a light fruit used!
So this would be racist against Giroud for example, if his team did this with light fruit with him?!
Ridiculous racist double standards, nothing racist about this.
@@emem2863that doesn’t prove anything lol. They literally just picked something that MATCHES his colour, which is right
Inter fans have allowed Cagliari fans scream racists chants at Lukaku when he played there…. The fact that a team can have black players yet fans will be racist to the black players of the ops, I grew up in Italy as mixed and I felt it as a young kid playing football, it’s embarrassing
How do we "allowed"? It was in Cagliari 20 k sardinians and just 3k of us we tried to chant louder but we couldn't do much more? Why you have to lie like that, disgusting, we respected and love that prick and he betrayed us and still nobody ever racially abuse him from our side we are not Verona or Cagliari fans.
Do you still live in Italy?
@@dappadondadda100 I live in the states and visit il bel paese as much as I can, I was born in Florence and my dads from Veneto… are you implying I have no right to judge? I grew up in Friuli where even being from the South was worth mentioning to players as if that’s an insult, we have a lot to learn regardless of the cultural inheritance that we are all lucky to have and share… Italians do very well abroad and we are loved, so peeps around the world don’t understand how we still have “episodes” of racism
@danielballarin9084 ... nah, I'm not implying anything. You can judge if you want to.
I just wanted to know if you're in Italy still and to ask about the current climate of things as I'm thinking of visiting. But if it will be hostile, then I will wait.
I think he’s gonna leave in January cause if I was him I definitely would
Well like Dave Chappelle said about Twitter now known as x TikTok is not a real place osimhen is still a great player will be for years to come ❤💪💪
Thierry Henry really wanted to say wtf or putting de merde .. instead wyd ahahah
Well Insigna, Mertens, Chucky and many players weren't happy in Napoli. Too bad it takes too long to know what really happens within a club. They have some serious internal problems.
And remember, Henry deleted his twitter account in protest against the app tolerating racism. No major figure in football followed his lead. People rather complain than take action. (I know this incident was on tiktok, I'm making a greater point)
And what did his account deletion achieve?
@@manofculture584 nothing, because no other major figure in football had the balls to follow his lead.
I love Carra being the only white, didn’t say much and carefully constructed his words whenever he spoke
At first i thought their account had gotten hacked. There is no way they did this to their own player !
Tick Toxic is the real name for it.
This will never stop, unfortunately. This has been going on for ages now. Sick and tired of this.
Share one concrete fact that makes this for certain motivated by racism?!
So they shouldn’t use fruits similar colour to the player?! What fruit would not have been racist according to your freak mind?!
There is NOTHING racist in this tweet. Absolutely nothing, a white player would have had a light fruit used!
So this would be racist against Giroud for example, if his team did this with light fruit with him?!
Ridiculous racist double standards, nothing racist about this.
I bet you care more about fake racism than actual human atrocities
@Andreas, So, is it only Osimhen that has lost a penalty for Napoli? Lobotka lost a crucial penalty against Cremonese last year during Coppa Italia, no abuse. Zielensky, Kvara (has not scored a single goal was since March until his last week's goal against Udinese) name them have recently lost penalty... no abuse on them. And Osimhen that led the club to its Scudeto title after 33 years lost a penalty and got that unreasonable abuse, And you're coming here to say it is not racially motivated? Stop joking, please, or better try to learn what racism is.
@@adewaleadesanya5121that's not abuse
Come to Arsenal Osimhen. You'll be loved!
This is crazy from Napoli...I wish my bro can just leave the club.
I wish i also didn't know about that social media xx
It’s always the same countries … how many times in Italy ? HOW MANY TIMES?
Yet no one at the club has been fired or no apologies are made ?
Tok tok tik tik my Legend
On t'aime trop titi
My fav... Great conversation guys... Henry doesn't miss
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Meanwhile they called Kvara king Napoli and credit for scudetto. Also kvara defended his teammate against Vinicius getting racially abused 4:20 also good point
Osimhen won the sire A title for his club Napoli
They're being such babies about this.
Not at all. If you don't care about it, just say that. Racism is a serious topic.
thierry “first and foremost”henry
This was a David Ferrell moment way back 20~years back . . .
I mean... It is Italy. You've got Lazio fans and match-fixing, Balotelli situations, threats from mafia etc. No doubt Serie A is a top league with crazy atmospheres, rich history but can't deny it's also a rather... peculiar place in world football
Really sad 😔 as napoli is my favourite Italian team..
I love how carahger is silent, scared to say the wrong word
🤣🤣🤣
he said the most clear point, watch back with your eyes this time
@@brandonlawrence55 sho
If I was running that club, I'd fire the entire marketing team. Make them all accountable for what they put out, set a precedent that you will NOT tolerate it whatsoever.
Most of these clubs have employees who essentially run the social media accounts. Find the idiot behind Napoli’s tiktok, smack him and sack him.
Why Uefa not saying anything about it
Coconut means black on the outside white on the inside
Yes even in RSA
I don't get why being white on the inside is bad or racist unless you dislike white people.
@@jp2650 Yep. UK, Nigeria, US and Canada too.
@@mediacenterman8583Oreo too.
And you find some Italians blaming Osimhen for being angry at this, how are these people are they real humans, the man is being mocked yet you blaming him for your mistakes. Oooooh good Lord
We’re surprised about racism in Italy?
It is not surprising really. More of it was surprising your own team mocked you.