Nice - will keep this in mind in case I get a Pi 5 down the road. Definitely a significant bump in performance from USB SSD to NVME. What surprised me the most was the Proxmox install - had never considered that on a Pi. Looking forward to what you come up with next!
There is a big design flaw on this addon, and its that it makes it hard to give the CPU cooling. I've seen some other SSD boards, which mounts on the underside of the Raspberry instead, making cooling easy on the cpu and other ic's.
Wonderful video! ❤ Finally someone has done this comprehensive test. I've been looking for it for a long time. Thank you very much. SATA HAT would be very interesting for me and a speed test for it would be brilliant, I have a lot of SSDs lying around.
I disagree, that HAT (hardware attached on top) version is not the best. Simply because it forces you to use a very low profile cooling fan and even so, is still obstructing the airflow in the process. I have instead chosen the "RPi5 NVMe Shield X1002 V1.1" from SupTronics Technologies, which is a HAB (hardware attached on bottom) version.
I am more a fan of the Geekworm X1003 HAT, because it doesn't obstruct the original RaspberryPi fan as much and is still compatible with the original RaspberryPi case.
G'day, Hi there big fella, thanks for the update. I have been on the NVME train for a couple of months now using the pimoroni HAT but have found to some expense (a few hundred $) that the pimoroni board is a little fussy about which NVMe drives it works with (I am now the proud owner of 4 NVMe drives that wont work with the RPi 5). Does the official board run with all NVMe drives? Hope you are doing well - Johnno
Been using A high grade camera microSD's for over 6 years now and they are still the same as new with heavy use. Sure cheap microSD's are never intended to last and yea the the higher grades might cost more but the usability far outweighs the costs of replacing the cheap ones.
This m.2 addon isn't compatible woth their official case fan, so i ditched it and went back to usb 3.0 flash storage. It's fast and reliable enough for my use case
The whole point of RasPi5 is the wonder of running your single applications of a credit card sized box also its low power consumption. Pi5 + monitor = 32watts
@@djedUVprojector but my fanless N100 PC is also running at 24W from a USB-C PD, and no larger than my iphone. Can run all Windows applications and Linux.
Thanks for the video I'm looking to fitting an nvme too my rpi5 but need some pointers ideally I want to be able to dual boot to graphic and non graphic what do you recommend and also the expansion card I have my setup housed in a geeekpi mini tower case which has a fan and heat sink which rise above the processor so any help would be appreciated
Wait. How the hell did you get a Phizon to work?? Those controllers were shit in the first releases of NVME hats. I had to go thru a couple different NVME drives before I found one that worked. I never could get a card with Phizon Controller to work, LOL!
Timing buffered disk reads: 2584 MB in 3.00 seconds = 860.81 MB/sec I'm using the Geekworm X1001 with a Crucial P3 500GB (Gen3). I tried using a cheaper fanxiang S660 500GB (Gen4) but my results were inconsistent and frustrating.
I just tried hdparm on an old x64 core2 duo running Ubuntu off a spinning disk, 76.38 MB/sec So your SD card is faster than a old school (real) hard drive.... kind of crazy. Mind you that x64 install is nice and stable, unlike running Ubuntu off an SD card in my 'Pi 400, where the odd corrupted card was almost a norm, I was all but ready to write that '400 off as a useless joke.
I'm watching the load times and think "I wonder if this thing is as fast loading Proxmox" and bam, he loads Proxmox.... Talk about knowing your audience.
not even close to the best upgrade for a pi 5......best would be one of the argon case with that has this built into the case, unless of course you want to print your own case then it might be a close second since argon's cases are aluminum for the most part. I have the neo 5 case and its great.
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Good review Don. Hope your treatments going well 🙏
Thank you for videos Don. Hope your treatment is going well.
I've been using an attached USB SSD on my pi 4 for 3 years. Zero issues.
Yep, there is some misinformation here. I'm using an SD card, and have been for homeassistant for like 4 years with no issues.
@@DavidJJJ Does Home Assistant do a lot of read/write cycles to the SD Card?
With external power right? This hat doesn't require any
I install preload which caches highly used apps to memory, it will make it alot snappier for apps you use regularly
Ooo that's a great suggestion, I used to use that back in the HDD days but haven't touched it in a while. I can totally see preload being useful here.
Yeah, it still looked really slow to me.
How?
@@fabriglas You see it mentioned in those "things to do after installing Ubuntu" or whatever dist. You need to install the package "preload".
@@fabriglas sudo apt install preload -y
Nice - will keep this in mind in case I get a Pi 5 down the road. Definitely a significant bump in performance from USB SSD to NVME. What surprised me the most was the Proxmox install - had never considered that on a Pi. Looking forward to what you come up with next!
Thank you very much for review❤
Have a request... Can you try OLlama with Raspberry Pi 5 using Coral or Hailo AI Accelerator
Thanks for covering this topic. Looks like a great way to upgrade my Pi 5
There is a big design flaw on this addon, and its that it makes it hard to give the CPU cooling. I've seen some other SSD boards, which mounts on the underside of the Raspberry instead, making cooling easy on the cpu and other ic's.
Pironman 5 case has this done rather elegantly.
Wonderful video! ❤
Finally someone has done this comprehensive test. I've been looking for it for a long time. Thank you very much. SATA HAT would be very interesting for me and a speed test for it would be brilliant, I have a lot of SSDs lying around.
I bought both pineberry and pimaroni nvme adapters, pimaroni works fine with my WD 530. Pineberry doesn’t boot all the times with the same drive.
I too hope everything is going well with you. Best wishes
I disagree, that HAT (hardware attached on top) version is not the best. Simply because it forces you to use a very low profile cooling fan and even so, is still obstructing the airflow in the process. I have instead chosen the "RPi5 NVMe Shield X1002 V1.1" from SupTronics Technologies, which is a HAB (hardware attached on bottom) version.
Crazy how good ProxMox is running on the Pi.
Great material Don, thanks.
How are you keeping it cool with the hat on top?
I have the Pimoroni HAT and it's great. Waiting for them to release a case. Might have to buy a 3D printer...
Because Firefox is a snap it's best to do the opening time test on the second opening after installation...possibly🤔
if you are using the experimental pci3 i would use a filesystem that does checksums like btrfs or zfs if you care about your data
Great video on this HAT!
I am more a fan of the Geekworm X1003 HAT, because it doesn't obstruct the original RaspberryPi fan as much and is still compatible with the original RaspberryPi case.
G'day, Hi there big fella, thanks for the update. I have been on the NVME train for a couple of months now using the pimoroni HAT but have found to some expense (a few hundred $) that the pimoroni board is a little fussy about which NVMe drives it works with (I am now the proud owner of 4 NVMe drives that wont work with the RPi 5). Does the official board run with all NVMe drives? Hope you are doing well - Johnno
thanks for the Review Don , hoping your keeping well
is it possible to use ssd also the halio ai kit at the same time ?so can we use two pci at the same time ?
Been using A high grade camera microSD's for over 6 years now and they are still the same as new with heavy use. Sure cheap microSD's are never intended to last and yea the the higher grades might cost more but the usability far outweighs the costs of replacing the cheap ones.
Like a security camera card?
This m.2 addon isn't compatible woth their official case fan, so i ditched it and went back to usb 3.0 flash storage. It's fast and reliable enough for my use case
Great info thanks, hope you're doing well 🙂
Great stuff!
Will definitely be adding this to my own Pi board
Best upgrade is the Intel N100 mini PC, because, after you add the case, memory, fan, everything up, it’s more expensive than a mini PC.
The whole point of RasPi5 is the wonder of running your single applications of a credit card sized box also its low power consumption.
Pi5 + monitor = 32watts
@@djedUVprojector but my fanless N100 PC is also running at 24W from a USB-C PD, and no larger than my iphone. Can run all Windows applications and Linux.
I have the AI hat. Can I use NVMe as well somehow? Thank you
I switched to Intel NUCs. For HA and proxmox. I use only one rpi3 for octoprint ATM.
The NUCs have a case. The RAM is upgradable and they have a m2 port without requiring an extra Hat.
But yes if you have a use case it's definitely cool to have to this now. I wished they would have added it to the main board.
I switched to intel n100 for 4k60fps video streaming and Windows compatibility with way more software and hardware
Raspberry + psu + fan + cooler + nvme board + nvme drive + case cost more than some of the NUC's aswell, and the nucs usually have twice the ram.
Thanks for the video I'm looking to fitting an nvme too my rpi5 but need some pointers ideally I want to be able to dual boot to graphic and non graphic what do you recommend and also the expansion card I have my setup housed in a geeekpi mini tower case which has a fan and heat sink which rise above the processor so any help would be appreciated
Thanks!
Thanks for the chart it is very handy.
Wait. How the hell did you get a Phizon to work?? Those controllers were shit in the first releases of NVME hats. I had to go thru a couple different NVME drives before I found one that worked.
I never could get a card with Phizon Controller to work, LOL!
Hello, thanks for the video. Which is fastest with Rpi 5 - Sata SSD through USB or NVme M.2 SSDs with the HAT?
usb3 is slower than the PCIe port
Timing buffered disk reads: 2584 MB in 3.00 seconds = 860.81 MB/sec
I'm using the Geekworm X1001 with a Crucial P3 500GB (Gen3).
I tried using a cheaper fanxiang S660 500GB (Gen4) but my results were inconsistent and frustrating.
I made a NAS out of a dual nvme hat and OVM7.
I just tried hdparm on a 'Pi 400 running Ubuntu off of a USB M.2, 250.92 MB/sec
Firefox takes 17 seconds to load to a Google search as it's Home page.
Great job of comparing performance
thank you. get well soon.
Hope you are feeling well, Don.
Thanks for all this. This is amazing!!!
I just tried hdparm on an old x64 core2 duo running Ubuntu off a spinning disk, 76.38 MB/sec
So your SD card is faster than a old school (real) hard drive.... kind of crazy.
Mind you that x64 install is nice and stable, unlike running Ubuntu off an SD card in my 'Pi 400, where the odd corrupted card was almost a norm, I was all but ready to write that '400 off as a useless joke.
Great news!
Ordered one.
I would like to install Raspi OS on ssd driver but with btirfs? What is the best way to do that?
man this hat rocks
GPIO pins are gone and unusable if you don’t have larger jumper pins.
Well wishes
Great video, thank you.
Danke!
Thanks Don. 👍🏻👍🏻
rasp for gpo ai external etc, internal ZimaBlade quad-core (7700): Intel® Celeron with 2.4 GHz Turbo Speed
Keep up the good work.
when is pi6 out?
Great Review!
what does hdparm -t do?
Nice vid Don.
I'm watching the load times and think "I wonder if this thing is as fast loading Proxmox" and bam, he loads Proxmox.... Talk about knowing your audience.
I love you man no diddy!
Free hat!
Run llama3 please
Nice!!!!!
not even close to the best upgrade for a pi 5......best would be one of the argon case with that has this built into the case, unless of course you want to print your own case then it might be a close second since argon's cases are aluminum for the most part. I have the neo 5 case and its great.
Good bench marks, but shaving off a few seconds for opening the browser doesn’t seem impressive at all
ok, lest start that hdparm is VERY BAD benchmark...
if only they would just ditch the sd card and use m.2 or release a revision with no sd card but m.2 non nvme which is cheaper along those lines
❤👍
Nice, helpful video but math, bro.
Thanks!