Heresy is a Problem
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Whenever I’ve had the opportunity to learn about some theological controversy that formed some part of Church history, I can’t help sympathizing with the person or group who was found to be wrong.
This is especially true for the early Christological controversies when they were trying to understand more precisely who Jesus was and what the nature of the relationship was between Christ’s humanity and divinity.
Because whenever I’ve immersed myself in some of those original sources, my first reaction is usually surprise at how sophisticated and complex these early debates were to the point that I find myself admitting that, if I was involved in a controversy like that, I could have easily found myself on the wrong side.
One example that comes to mind for me was the controversy between Nestorius and St. Cyril and the rest of the Church. I won’t bore you with the details, but Nestorius in an effort to appease two theological factions under his care, tried to compromise between them with a proposal that within Jesus were two hypostases, hypostatises, hypostatic? Two substances! - one divine and one human.
In reality, there was one hypostatic union of humanity and divinity, but two natures, one divine and one human.
Now, as an average layman looking at a controversy like that, my initial reaction is often one of almost intellectual despair because if that’s how nuanced and dense our theology can get, and it does, what are the chances that any of us aren’t walking around with all kinds of muddled heretical ideas floating about in our heads? After all, it’s easy to make mistakes right?
In Nestorius’ case, he was removed as Patriarch of Constantinople and eventually exiled to a dessert monastery. And given how easy it appears to be to make intellectual mistakes like that, it’s hard not to sympathize with people like Nestorius who were on the losing end of these controversies.
So how do we reconcile the sever consequences that heretics like Nestorius faced in the history of the Church - sometimes with penalties as severe as death?
Well, the first thing to understand is that heresy, the kind that goes down in the history books, wasn’t a mere intellectual error. In the case of Nestorius, there were several gatherings and councils in which Patriarchs and bishops gathered to debate and discuss whatever controversy was at large.
And they did so with the intention of coming to an agreement about what the truth of the matter is - which is where we get doctrines and dogmas from.
After it’s all said and done, those who had proposed the wrong solution, the heretical one, are given the opportunity to accept the new dogma and this is what distinguishes them from people who have simply made an error to those who persist in heresy.
And in Nestorius’ case, he chose to persist in it. And it’s this audacious persistence that is the true revelation of how evil heresy is.
Heresy, at this point, becomes a rejection of truth and a rejection of your community. It’s the obstinate insistence that you and you alone are right and that instead of committing yourself to being reformed in the image of God through his Church, you want God and his Church to be conformed to your image and your ideas.
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Hearing Brian start talking about Christendom is amazing. I knew this guy was awesome, but this idea of Christendom is absolutely misunderstood by modern people. So good to hear about it on a semi mainstream channel.
Brian... could you make a whole video on Christendom???
In my grade school catechism years (pre-vatican-2, so I'm no spring chicken), we were well instructed in the dogma of the Hypostatic Union. One instructor, a religious, saintly man, told me that if I held firmly to this dogma, that I would avoid so many of the heretical pitfalls which I would encounter in my life. He was right! The Dogma: Jesus is a Divine Person. He is a Divine Person with two natures, His Divine Nature, which He had from all eternity, and His Human Nature, which He took on at the Incarnation, which the Church celebrates on March 25th. If a man never forgets that Jesus is a Divine, not a human, person, that man will be served well in matters theological.
You must have gone to a Catholic school. I went to public school and, we called it Catechism class back then, not CCD, on Sundays. I also am no spring chicken (60) I made my 1st communion when I was 7..so I guess the year 1966. I was too young to see the changes being made..though I always remember receiving communion on my knees at the communion rail (as should be)! Anyway..the only thing I learned and actually took away from Catechism was my basic prayers...thats it! I set out on my own at age 50, thanks to the internet, to teach myself why we do what we do as Catholics!
You're 99.5% correct. Jesus is a Divine person, 100%, but he's a human person as well, 100%. When I took one of my theology classes in college I was surprised to hear that Jesus not only has a divine soul but a human soul as well, which I had never really thought about. It makes sense too, because in order to be truly human he would need to have every single attribute necessary for humanity, which by necessity means a human soul and thus human personhood as well. My dad once told me that Jesus was in fact the most human person to have ever lived, and in a sense that proved his divinity, because only God could truly embody ultimate human perfection and fulfillment.
@@curiouschris98 Nope! Jesus is a Divine Person, only.
@@bengoolie5197 Yeah, you’re right. I did more research on the subject and am sad to say I’m the heretic here! Language is tricky, so I thought that in saying that he was not a human person you were saying that Jesus wasn’t truly human, but upon researching what the Church means by human person I see what they mean. The official language of the Church is “Divine Person with a human nature”. Thanks for clarifying!
@@bengoolie5197 He suffered pain and temptation, he is human too, but without sin
This is great you and Matt Fradd should consider doing a weekly spot together
I think Matt Fradd gets worn down enough trying to keep content and topics continuous as content makers are.
I don’t want either of them to feel burnout!
It's funny because Brian never mentioned his meetup at all in this video, yet the people who watched this knew exactly what you meant.
《O People of the Book! Do not go to extremes regarding your faith; say nothing about Allah except the truth.1 The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah and the fulfilment of His Word through Mary and a spirit ˹created by a command˺ from Him.2 So believe in Allah and His messengers and do not say, “Trinity.” Stop!-for your own good. Allah is only One God. Glory be to Him! He is far above having a son! To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And Allah is sufficient as a Trustee of Affairs》
Quran chapter 4 verse 171
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They1 say, “The Most Compassionate has offspring.”
You have certainly made an outrageous claim,
by which the heavens are about to burst, the earth to split apart, and the mountains to crumble to pieces.
in protest of attributing children to the Most Compassionate.
It does not befit ˹the majesty of˺ the Most Compassionate to have children.
There is none in the heavens or the earth who will not return to the Most Compassionate in full submission..
Quran chapter 19 Mary verses from 88 to 93
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.."Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Apostle."
Book: Prophets
Chapter:
Bukhari no. 3445 th-cam.com/video/nIbnUMqLQ78/w-d-xo.html
@@khalidahmad3961 If Jesus were merely a prophet then he would have been a false prophet, a liar and a blasphemer because he announces his divinity and oneness with the father and holy spirit repeatedly, fulfilled the prophecies including his death and resurrection which he also foretold repeatedly. He also performed countless miracles which if he were not God incarnate but a liar, God would never permit him to perform. He also granted this authority to his apostles by baptizing them with the holy spirit which again if he was just a prophet he wouldn't have the authority to do.
@@khalidahmad3961 I may not agree of course but I respect you for attempting to evangelize for what you believe is truth.
Sir, whether I agree or disagree with you I must admit that you are an absolute treasure and I enjoy every minute of your content. I am converting to Russian Orthodoxy but will ALWAYS have a place in my heart for all Catholics and pray that the Traditional Latin Mass take hold even more and grow! Going to join your site now!
I as a teen love your videos Brian. Thank You so much!🙏😇
I noticed "Protestant Revolution." Glad you said it.
Care to explain?
Pray for discernment, brothers and sisters.
I have a youtube playlist entitled "Special Videos", that was made so I could easily find videos that struck me as moving, to my heart or mind. Taking a look at it today, I realized Mr. Holdsworths videos easily consist half of it!
I know you have the advantage of writing your script and editing, but your articulation carries constants of both justice and charity towards confusing subjects in a way I've previously only experienced with authors predating video capture.
You've become a strong model for how I want to speak on all occasions. Thank you for what you do!
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Don't you find it odd how the "Dark" Ages were the most peaceful and unifying times in all of history according to the Catholic Tradition? The word "dark" really doesn't do the age justice. I watched a PragerU video a few months back, and the speaker presented a different and more appropriate term: the "Brilliant Ages."
Well, it depends how one defines "Dark Ages". If one is speaking of the first few centuries in the West after the fall of the Roman Empire, up to the Viking invasions from the north, the Magyar invasions from the east, and the Muslim invasions from the south, then the tern might have some validity (although one shouldn't forget the glorious interlude of the Carolingian Renaissance under Charlemagne). It was the Church, and above all the monasteries, that kept the dimly burning flame of civilization alive during this time period. But if the term is applied to the "Middle Ages" (another problematic term) as a whole, then it amounts to no more than anti-Catholic propaganda by the secular-minded "Enightenment" thinkers.
@@alphaomega238 ah yes actually. I saw a lot of commenters on said PragerU vid talking about the dark and middle ages being separate entities. I grew up having both ages combined into one though.
From what I read the term "dark ages" didn't exist until the french revolution where progressive deists and naturalists used the term to disparage the role of religion in society.
@@alphaomega238 I see you're a very well-informed Catholic. Maybe you're able to connect the dots re- the state of the Church using the info from these sources. I hope Brian does as well, and other perceptive viewers of his:
"Papal Imposters": th-cam.com/video/2-VqjJW_lOM/w-d-xo.html
The Siri Project: th-cam.com/channels/mJLcKSyO3CBtxJwddm0Ymg.html -- This is several long interviews but the short 3 min. 41 sec. segment there is itself enough to astound anyone, Catholic or not. How many people know, e.g., that Pius XII read the Third Secret of Fatima on May 13, 1957, and then secluded himself for close to two weeks, weeping bitter tears? Almost everyone thinks John XXIII read it first.. He and his sinister cohorts wanted the Secret buried forever, and Sr Lucia along with it. sisterlucytruth.org
"Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist. The Church will be in eclipse. The world will be in dismay." (Our Lady of La Salette, 1846)
Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ. (St Athanasius)
"Is it tradition? Ask no more." (St John Chrysostom)
The only real dark ages were the ones after it
I find this topic interesting because heretical practices are slowly creeping into the church, either via Protestant beliefs disguising themselves as Catholic or just the general, subtle new-age spirituality. In addition, I understand that Gnosticism is making a slow comeback within certain segments of the Church as well, sadly.
“Slowly” lol.
When you read Matt 13, everything that is happening now in the Church begins to make full sense. The field is the world and the Church (plants from the sower) is supposed to fill it, but the enemy always continue to plant weeds. And one thing about weeds is that they certainly interfere with the plants on the field.
What would the sower do? Instead of uprooting the weeds (which is the normal thing to do), He waits until the harvest. The weeds grow with the plants and it is possible that at harvest time, there could be more weeds than plants on the fields. But nonetheless, the sower waits.
The Church like the world is a mixed bag of people. But the Church is planted by Christ. All we can do now inspite if the heresies creeping into the Church is watch, pray, read more into ancient Christianity, practise the faith, and wait for the harvest.
@Isaac Osahon
That was never the way the Church dealt with heresy throughout its history (until the 1960s and beyond). It is necessary to drive heretics out of the Church, lest they lead other souls astray. This is explained by St. Paul in Chapter 5 of his first letter to the Corinthians. "Know you not that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?" The story of the wheat and the tares that you cited refers to God's patience in tolerating evil in the world for the sake of the elect until the everything is set aright in the Last Judgement. It was never meant to justify do-nothingism with respect to those who espouse heresy within the Church. That kind of attitude bespeaks cowardice, pure and simple, on the part of the leaders of the Church..
Aren't many church rituals gnostic in origin?
@@deepforestfire Nope. Gnosticism usually hinges itself on secrecy and hidden 'secrets' kind of like Scientology. Mostly everything the Church does is public knowledge.
Have you ever considered a 'Catholicism for Beginners' series or playlist? For people like myself who are very new to the faith, it would be an incredible resource for preparation and education.
I really appreciate the conversation on heresy within the church. Galatians, 1 2 and 3 John, among others were written to address false teachers. Where this video falls short is in the assumption that the structure of the church and its culture can't be what is heretical. It assumes mother church is always in the right, but lets look at one of those NT books and see what it says about this.
Galatians 1:8 "But even if we, or an angel fro mheaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to, he is to be accursed."
Paul in Galatians isn't protecting the Catholic church. It is warning against false prophets even if they are the Catholic Church. We are warned that they can come from the very authorities we trust.
I'd submit that this is what has happened in spades and so the Bible commands us to flee from that church. You see the Bible is the authority. Not the church. I submit to Jesus. Not my pastor and not the Pope.
How did the church go from what it was in the early church to what it was in the days of the reformation. It did so because it hid the scripture from the people. Even did liturgies in languages they couldn't understand. So instead of having accountability to be faithful to the scripture they invented doctrines that had no place in scripture or was created off a single verse or an odd interpretation of a verse. The people didn't know better until Luther came around and started printing the Bible up in mass.
The sin of Eve was not that she ate of the tree. It was deeper then that. The tree was likely a good tree but Eve didn't want to wait on God's timing so she followed the serpents leading to take matters into her own hand and grab what she wanted for herself instead of waiting on the Lord. But there is something else as well. Something that we see in the scriptures from time to time. She added to the commands of God instead of trusting Him and His commands. God told Eve to not eat of the tree. Eve added to that by telling the serpent that God told her not to eat or to touch the tree. Instead of trusting in God, Eve created her own traditions in order to protect herself even further from sin instead of trusting God.
This is also seen with the Pharisees in Jesus's day. They were criticized by Christ for their legalism and their rules. They to did the same thing as Eve. They added and expanded the Law and built traditions to buffer themselves from sin but by doing so put their trust in their traditions instead of God.
Now the Catholic Church does the same thing. Not only have they distorted the gospel by returning to works as efficacious in salvation, they have added all kinds of tradition and commands to the scripture to buffer them from sin. Instead of putting their trust in God they put it in the church hierarchy or the traditions that the church has slowly built over time.
I'm not a hater of the CC but when someone wants to call me a heretic because I am no longer a part of its body, I shrug it off as nonsense considering what the church has done to scripture and in the fact that it seems more interested in people's acceptance of its authority then actually teaching the Bible.
Thanks for the video. As a born and raised Protestant, there’s a tension in my thinking between agreeing with the problematic origins of Protestantism and perceived difficulties in accepting the Catholic Church such as the doctrines on Mary and papal authority. Perhaps you could recommend some resources dealing with these things? Always open to engaging and seeking to obey our Lord Christ.
When I was comming back to the Faith, what helped me with understanding the importance of Mary, is the parallels between her and The Ark of the Covenant in the O.T.
I was familiar with how important The Ark was in the O.T., and once I realized that she is the Ark of the New Convenant..it made sense the importance we give her
Scott Hahn comes first to my mind as a suggested author. There's also an author who's name I'm unfortunately going to mangle - I think it's Jeffrey Cavin? And Tim Staples also has written on these subjects.
Search Dr. Pitre blows your mind on Mary. Good scholars on the Catholic Church, Dr. Pitre, Dr. Scott Hahn, and Steve Ray are my favorite 3.
@@kimfleury Thank you for the suggestions! Searching for Jeffrey Cavin doesn't show up anything relevant as far as I can tell. But Hahn and Staples look useful. I'll check them out.
@@jackd8439 I appreciate the suggestions, thank you. They look like good ones.
I found Hilaire Belloc's book "The Great Heresies" a great help in understanding heresy.
Belloc's "The Jews" is also important.
I appreciate your humble spirit and fidelity to the Roman Catholic Church. I have often yearned to have such clarity. However, the reality of the continued existence of the Nestorian Church, as well as the Eastern Orthodox Church, leaves me thinking that perhaps your clarity on the Protestant Reformation might be a little misplaced. Or perhaps the format and time constraints don't allow for the degree of nuance required to treat the subject fairly.
The underlying presupposition you carry, which I cannot share in, is that the magisterium of the RCC cannot depart from the gospel. I have tried to worship RCC, and though I find much to be beautiful and laudable, I also find much with which to take issue. It simply isn't sufficient to lean upon the dogmas of the church against scriptural critiques. I have appreciated the few RC thinkers who have it in them to appeal to scripture in justifying their distinctives. However, I guess I'm just too far gone; they always seem like they are jumping the shark to conform the RCC to what is found in scripture. Anyway, like I said, I really appreciate your videos. Pray for folks like me who want to be united with you in spirit, but who cannot yet cross the chasm between Protestant and Roman Catholic doctrines.
Cardinal Richelieu was such a Chad. He put his country first and destroyed the Catholic Legue, allowing Protestantism to win. Him crushing the Catholics in the 30 years' war allowed France to surpass Spain as Europe's strongest nation.
I'd love it if you did a video on the messages of Our Lady Of Fatima
I think these apparitions were fake/demonic.
@@hopefull61256 only God knows
Hey Brian, is it in any way you were inspired by John Petrucci's JP Shield logo that you used as your BH logo?
by the way always had enjoyed your content, As a young "traddie" we don't really have a lot of media that guides us, and I am always a big fan of the stuff you put on. Greetings from Italy :D
I would like to comment on your assertations that Luther’s movement was cause for so much bloodshed. I feel that you overstate is impact on the divisiveness that followed his movement.
First, Luther’s actions were common at the time. When Martin Luther “nailed his thesis to the door” he was doing little more than what was common practice at the time. Professor Andrew Pettegree Points out in a Time article that it was common at the time to post messages in such a manner (1). His position as Professor of Moral Philosophy would have made it his mission to point out any inconsistent messages from the Church.
There are also no shortages of inter-European wars pre-1500s. In fact, there are no shortages of wars that ignore Christian Brotherhood in the name of advancing an agenda (2). One that stands out, in particular, is the Aragonese Crusade had official Papal authority (3). Martin Luther’s reformation does lead to civil war in what is now Germany, but those seeds had been planted with the founding of the Holy Roman Empire. It is argued by John B. Wolf that while the tone of the Knights’ Revolt had a religious tone, their goals were the preservation of their stature (4).
As is the case for most wars post gun powder, casualty figures rise as the lethality of the weapons increase. It is careless to ignore the role that firearms would have played in the ongoing conflicts that exist in Europe. These conflicts culminate in the wars that took place in the 20th century. It is hard to argue, given the war-like nature of the aristocracy that existed since the founding of feudalism to the Treaty of Versailles, that Reformation that took place after Martin Luther’s time would have been avoided had Luther recanted his arguments.
(1): time.com/4997128/martin-luther-95-theses-controversy/
(2): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe#1st%E2%80%9310th_century_AD
(3): images.library.wisc.edu/History/EFacs/HistCrus/0001/0002/reference/history.crustwo.i0024.pdf
(4): Wolf, John B. (1962). The Emergence of European Civilization. New York: Harper & Row. pp. 47, 147
Of course there's is a typo. I will leave it unedited, but it should read "overstate his impact"
No, this is not overstated. As far as I can see, Europe did have a shortage of pan-europeab conflicts before the Protestant reformation. Even the hundred years war, one of the largest wars between Catholics, only occurred in France. But, the first war that emerged after the Protestant Reformation was the thirty years war, the first pan-european war in history. It was fought largely along Catholic/Protestant lines, and the only reason the war ended is because the various nations of Europe made a mutual agreement to stop considering religion in relation to politics. Future wars were fought for secular reasons, and they kept on getting worse, kept on getting pan-European.
The war of Spanish succession, the war of Austrian Succession, the Great Turkish war, post reformation, pan-European wars. The seven years war was not only pan-European, but global. The secularism that was growing in the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries which caused the French revolution was started at the Protestant Reformation. The French revolution spilled into another pan-European conflict that resulted in a roughly century long peace. But, between Napoleon and the world wars, the wars of German and Italian unification brought bloodshed from France, to Austria, to Italy. The two world wars occurred, and by that time religion was already non-existent in politics for nearly a century. First world war, second world war, then we had a cold war. These massive scale conflicts are the results of secularism, secularism that can be traces back to the Protestant Reformation, and now we are on the edge of a brand new third world war. Where is God in politics? Even the President that did recognize God (Trump) was not the greatest of men to put it lightly. Few men recognize God today, and this can be traces back to the reformation.
Sure, Luther never knew how successful his heresy would be. He would've never intended the affects it had. But that is ultimately the point of the video, that heresy is a sin with consequences massive and unpredictable. That if you do commit the sin of heresy, you have no idea what you are doing, and you really might end up causing an age of world wars.
I would expound that Luther's rise coincided with a schism already rising in Europe. Luther was not the first to "inspire" conflict (I use the term inspire loosely), the Hussite wars are indicative of the growing friction between the secular princes and authorities and the church. Luther's information got to inspire more, due the growing ubiquity of the printing press. There is a contemporary but separate schism between secular and religious authorities that can underline this point, Henry the VIII and the church of England. To blame it all on Luther is to scapegoat. The predicates between the church and state were there, Luther may have just thrown the match in at the right time. Also, there were no other schisms that happened before that led to bloodshed etc (Orthodox.....4th Crusade and the Sack of Constantinople...).
If you scapegoat Luther, you hide the predicates and are not able to fully learn from those mistakes. Many (if not all) of the leaders who embraced Luther's teachings did not out of some theological disagreement, but to assert their dominion over their lands and not to have to pay Rome and their representatives in their lands. (side note, I live in Ramstein, near Landstuhl and Burg Nanstein, this was where Franz von Sickingen was killed during Landsknect-Knight's War. Also, the last real war where Knights tried to assert power in Europe.)
I will concede that not viewing your enemy as a "true Christian" makes it easier to shoot them. Oh yeah, shooting. Like you elegantly state, another conflation is to wholly blame the Protestant movement with the rise of violence and numbers of dead on the battlefield. The rise of gunpowder and artillery had a lot to do with the scale of war-making at this time. The siege of Nanstein (see note above) was one of the earlier uses of cannons against a castle. The advance of gunpowder, guns, etc, made it easier to scale up forces with less training than with Archery and Edged weapons. Both of which required skill, money, and time to make a user proficient and effective. Firearms "flattened" the field and took war away from the knights and put it into Soldiers' realm.
In the end, Wars are rarely about Religion (not all wars). It is about power. Religion is one of the Tribal leader's tools to compel action. Religion in war, like another other 'ism, is a method to dehumanize your enemy. To make it palatable to kill them.
What exactly was Luther's heresy? I have heard this term a lot but I have no idea what is meant by that.
I've read the 95 theses, and all they are about is the practice of indulgence, and how the people who preach it are not in line with what the church believes it to be, and what the Bible says about salvation.
I've also read the Augsburg confession, and I also couldn't find much disagreement with what I think are the teachings of the Catholic Church.
@@intedominesperavi6036 1. that the Church was not infallible, 2. Grace alone, faith alone. 3. Sola Scriptura.
I feel more embarrassment because of excommunication of Martin Luther. All he wanted is to have discussion with Johann Tetzel about selling plenary indulgences. Luther was closer to objective morality than anyone in Rome in that time.
When you don’t want to reasaon with someone, this is what happens. People were recognizing more morality in Luther than in Rome, that’s why it was so threatening for Rome- protestantism came untill North Italy and Adriatic sea. Catholic church has had to do something about it to stop it, therefore Council of Trent.
We see the same today. Many traditionalists want to talk about the problems of relativism, but it seems they are completley ignored. Like there is no truth in anything what they say.
But, as I understand, people in America are now going back to tradition more and more, Latin liturgies are more popular. If this become so popular that NO churches would be empty, someone in Rome should react and finally find a way for dialogue.
For now, I can’t even imagine Marshall Taylor and Bishop Barron sitting together and having respectful dialogue about Thomas Aquinas.
Onley by seeing our church united with all differences I would be proud and not embarrassed. God Bless❤️
I am Lutheran but I follow Dr. Taylor Marshall, and I am constantly reminded of how Trad Catholics today are walking a similar line as Lutherans did 500 years ago. Catholics can hate on Luther all they want and blame him for the splintering of the Church, but they are walking dangerously close to the same circumstances with Rome as Luther and his sympathizers. It seems we would all be better off if we could believe Jesus when He said that all are sinners and have fallen short of the glory of God, than believe the dogma that the Pope is infallible. Unfortunately, this (latter) belief is what is so dangerous- if any Pope makes a boo-boo, must everyone after him follow in the same error? All Luther wanted to do was look at the corruption inside the Church and say hey, wait a minute- how did we get from there to here, and how do we go back?
The Trads are asking the same question.
@@shellieperreault6262 Yes indeed. We all got our subjective lence by birth and objective Truth holds onley God. No one can say and understand objective Truth, onley Jesus from all human beings. I hope this time traditionalists will be recognized as correcting factor, not as heretics.
When division spirit prevails, no one is more hurt than the body of Jesus!
I’m not american (You can see it by my poor english), but I’m sad to see such division among us!
Thank You for reply, may dear God bless us all❤️
I disagree on 2 points, 1 that heresy should in fact be treated in the same manner by the chirch that it was in history and 2 that the priesthood is not the bastion it once was, it is full of modernists and other heretical ideas.
Wow... Just yesterday and today I have been studying the Reformation and found myself feeling bad for the heretics and maybe even ashamed of my Church.. Thanks for this it has given me a lot of insight!
Where can I find the background music? 👀
Thanks!!! I learned so much about how the church avoid killing heretics on the middle ages on Brian Stock's The Implications of Literacy, he gives there many accounts of the church trying to deliver a good judgement, but secular authorities burning them, or the lay people killing them. And it is not even the subject of the book... and BTW, it would be awesome if you add some literature you used, at the end of each video!
Will you be uploading your videos to Rumble soon, too? Lots of people are turning their backs on TH-cam for censorship and free speech violations, and I’d love to continue to follow your channel once I’m off.
[Rebuttal] No singular group should have a monopoly over Heaven.
The Jewish pharisees needed to understand this and so did the pope.
Nothing Martin Luther did could have catalyst the great atrocities caused by the atheist revolutions in 20th century; in fact, abhorrence to state religions generated its fair share of protest (ex: American settlers, French Revolution)
God has the monopoly on heaven. The way you phrased it shows the error of Protestant thinking. The Wars of Religion were battles over human-centered control over access to heaven, which isn't even possible because God controls it.
Part Two: The heresy of atheism flows from the heresy of Protestantism. Once every man can interpret the Bible for himself, it follows that it's permissible for men to determine that the Bible is fiction.
@@kimfleury
To those such as yourself that fear the dilution of religious thought,
the answer isn't complete despotic-like ('state') control, but something much simpler: *follow the 3rd Commandment-don't take the name of the Lord in vain*
Pope Francis: _A great deluge, perhaps due to a rise in temperature and the melting of glaciers: what will happen now if we continue on the same path_
> A sitting pope claiming the Lord will bring back another flood and we wonder why Martin Luther and generations of people are disenchanted with these charlatans.
I was interested in this because we're going through history in the making. Hopefully we will not commit heresy on purpose, but it's possible. Because it can happen. That's why you have to dig up the truth on people as it happens. I had no idea that you had to watch several news pieces in order to find truth out about policy and religious beliefs especially in accordance with Catholic School Beliefs in our modern day. That's how we became engaged in the "battle" that we have to de-escalate now and our prayer servants have to weaken further too. It's important. It helps with virtue building and the call to Love between a husband and wife, for example....
I doubt you can mistakenly commit heresy. It is easy to have incorrect/differing views on certain theological matters, but until it’s settled by the Church it is merely a disagreement. To reject definitive church teaching (which is to reject the truth) is what makes heresy heretical and this seems to require full knowledge that you are heterodox and full consent to teach heresy regardless, ergo you can’t mistakenly commit heresy.
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@@duxagustus7346 Which video should I start with, with Fuentes? (edit) also, where can I see his product? A lot of the stuff I see on youtube is old and there's none on his channel
Heresy contains many traits of Narcissism that puts themself and their own thoughts over the Holy Trinity and Holy see. God bless!
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This is a helpful synopsis of Western European history. It can even be seen in the East-West Schism and events that followed and persisted into at least the 18th century. I haven't read much of the Russian authors, only bits and pieces of their works in fact, so I can't recall if it was Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky, or just a movie about Catherine the Great, where one of the characters says, "We go to war over whether to cross ourselves with three fingers or two." I think that illustrates how the differences devolve in importance once a heresy takes root. (I really don't want to go to hell because that's what they all do: accuse and gnash their teeth at one another). Lord, have mercy!
The thing is, that sadly, one should always be able to ask himself: "maybe I am the one, who is the heretic?". Most people are in great danger, if they only follow a church because of tradition or in general, because it's easier that way. I'm orthodox and it's difficult to pose that question to myself, but I still do it and try to learn more about protestant and catholic theology. On the other hand I really would wish that people from all churches asked themselves these things. Btw, awesome beard Brian :)
As a Protestant to Roman Catholic convert, I'm constantly comparing what I spent my life (birth to age 42) believing as a Methodist and what I am learning now as a Catholic. I play the game of "where is the heresy" pretty often.
This is thoughtful and well presented, and I wish more people could experience it. Thank you Brian.
Hey Brian.. thanks for your work. Do you have a recommendation for a book where I can read the historical evidence of your arguments? I would appreciate that. God bless you man.
2:58-3:48 sounds so similar to communistic thinking. Apologize for thinking differently on the basis of just how rare your way of thinking is, and apologize to the organization. I find it strange that religious people are rightfully pro-individual when it comes to politics, yet concede such power to a corruptible organized body when it comes to religion.
Couldn’t have said it better myself, thank you.
Haha, I didn't expect to see a powerlifting channel here! Seems we fell down the same very disturbing algorithmic rabbit hole. Great content, man!
Well not all of us do but then again we were just called heretics for not doing so. :P
"I find it strange that religious people are rightfully pro-individual when it comes to politics, yet concede such power to a corruptible organized body when it comes to religion."
It's far more strange that non-religious people are pro-individual when we are all just cosmic dust according to you. Only in Christianity does the individual posses the dignity and inherent worth that comes from being made in the image and likeness of God.
@@PaulDo22 what about Judaism?
@8:44 I changed my like to a dislike. Unity under a lie is far worse and more devastating to your immortal soul than a dissolution under an inconvenient truth. We are called to follow the truth, lovingly, not accept majority opinion so that we don't make others uncomfortable. We know that humans will reject truth and find ways to ignore it...
I'm really glad Galileo dissented and insisted that truth matters, no matter how much other's prefered it to be something else.
Watch his video on Galileo.
@@g.weg.3723 I did. This is why I chose to include him. I think Galileo is an excellent example, as is his video on him. Thank you for your reply.
In the American colonial era, being a Catholic in the colony of Virginia was a capital crime and people were actually executed by hanging for adherence to the Roman Church.
George Washington donated the land for the first Catholic church in Alexandria Virginia after the Revolution, Old St. Mary’s which is now a minor basilica.
The line you said about Christendom not existing anymore just made me depressed
With exactly this kind of reasoning the Sanhedrin might have argued against Jesus. And please bear in mind that the first ancestors of Christians who converted to Christianity were considered heretics by the societies from which they stemmed.
An orthodoxy of a confession is a heresy for another.
Hypostasis was important because it led to the development of the Church's teaching on the Eucharist. Basically, at the consecration, the priest makes the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ present in the elements. However, bread cannot be changed into the substance of divinity--that which is finite cannot become that which is infinite. Even God cannot turn bread into Himself (this is a philosophical non-sequitur).
So, how to solve the problem? Well, the priest does not technically change bread and wine into the divinity of Christ. He changes it into Christ's human nature, to which His divine nature is perfectly united. Thus, hypostasis proposes that Christ had two natures but was a single person, and this allows Christ to become truly present in every mass until the end of time.
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Brian, where did you get that thumbnail wallpaper from? Because to all of you who may not know, that's a painting of the Spanish Tercios, arguably the greatest armies the world has ever seen after the Roman legions, and defended Roman Catholicism all over Europe during the wars of religion of the 16th and 17th centuries. The painting is called "Battle of Rocroi" by the Spanish painter Augusto Ferrer-Dalmau. Respect.
The Inquisition (1478) served to prevent witchunts like protestants (1517) had.
Ok.
Also Luther Died during Trent, he was never considered a heretic in his lifetime.
The inquisition wasn't setup in response to Protestantism and I didn't say it was. I said it was established to avoid something like a witch hunt which Protestants had far more difficulty with, which is true. It isn't a side by side comparison in time.
Luther was excommunicated in 1521. Trent wasn't a trial to determine if Luther was a heretic but a response to Protestantism which had already been unleashed. Luther had been declared a heretic long before that.
That was a really good brief history. It never ceases to amaze me how little people understand about where they came from.
Thank you for saying protestant "revolt"
Brian i need help, my whole life ive known god is real and multiple times i would get angry with god, at one point i even believed that i am someone that will go through this life multiple times until i reach the knowledge that god has and position, not seriously sticking to the idea, but it was there. I now am learning the truth but i dont know if it is too late for me, im trying everything i can, but maybe i am overreacting as it hasnt been 24 hours since i really really am trying to be a proper Christian, but i have problems focusing and loving and im so scared i wont be able to let myself love jesus even though i keep trying
Let go of the expectation that you have to make it right and trust that God can if you allow him too. He will provide the grace, you just need to ask for it and cooperate with it. If you have not already, you must be baptized and receive the sacraments. These are the channels of grace that will give you what you need. If you have, nurture that gift and continue to trust in him.
@@BrianHoldsworth thank you very much, I wasn't sure you would help but now I know I can do this, bless u
@@BrianHoldsworth How do I get baptized? Do I need to be a member?
@@BrianHoldsworth haha good thing u didn't reply well I was trying very hard to open my heart to him and after the new information u gave me and with some christian music in the background it helped me feel his love and it's so amazing thank you so much for ur help it felt like I was a robot needing wd-40 my whole life
Now I'm gonna go to sleep and go to church tomorrow have a goodnight/day
Christ warned us 2000 years ago humanity only two choices 1) the narrow gate that leads to eternal life but few people to find it 2) the broader gate that leads to eternal destruction
Translation problems with that verse abound, my friend.
Can a pope be a heretic?
Was the justification of the Phariseses behind the crucifixion of Jesus him spreading Heresy from their view?
Excellent video, Brian! I am curious about how you think about heretics who have been condemned after their deaths? For example, Origen was condemned centuries after his death; he was never given any opportunity to defend his ideas or repent of them when condemned. In other words, he was anathematized for merely holding wrong beliefs and not for any sin of pride. What are your thoughts on these kinds of heretics?
I’d love if you made a video about Excorsism’s. I want to see your take on the act of Catholic priests healing people with demons. I simply struggle to believe in such things like that.
You struggle to believe in evil???
@@PaulDo22 probably a new convert
deus vult
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@@RodDop-us9ex D&V forever
We will take... oh, no... that’s not PC.
Unfortunately, the clergy is the first to be infected by heresy if history has anything to show for Luther's insanity. Most of the laity were poor country bumpkins with no direct knowledge of Latin. They also burned books back then because those books was detrimental to the Faith. Because so many people can read now and authors are a dime a dozen, it would be hard to isolate exactly what is causing most people to have heretical thoughts.
@Brian Holdsworth... "Ideas have consequences", bad ideas have bad consequences, typically at the expense of human dignity which comes from the divinity of Christ."
As always, love the background music.
3:26 - 3:38
Reminds me of every Protestant ever
I was under the impression that Nestorius and some of the Eastern Churches had been reconciled with the West. Something about a misunderstand between the two parties?
Is this incorrect?
Heresy is an important problem. But how we treat heretics is also equally important.
Yeah I always felt sorry for people like Arius and Nestorius. It seems like they’re splitting hairs over things that no human being can definitively know.
As if the Catholics don't split hairs between worship vs veneration of saints... Idolatry is not a sin you want to take risks with! This is why no protestant will touch it with a 100ft pole.
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This video reminds me of the VVitch, small mistake backed up by stubborn refusal to correct course leads his family to...well, it's a spectacular film, shouldn't spoil anything.
Some may question my right etc etc...
Brain, this is an excellent video. You should do an in-depth analysis of Orthodoxy.
5:29, remember, Belloc says the Roman Empire never "fell" ;)
If the clerical class is heretical where does that leave the laity? What if it's not the clerics but the laity? How are we to know? Did Pope Francis commit heresy when he worshipped the Amazon goddess as a representation of the blessed mother? If not then are we not obligated to do the same? If we dont are we not the heretics?who is to say?
Jesus says not to follow false teachers.
Who are you going to listen to- Jesus, the Son of God, or his man-declared "representative on earth"? Let me tell you something- Jesus is King in the heavens, and Satan is prince of the earth.
Now, as to your question- who do you love more? Jesus, or Satan?
Heresy is only a problem for the believers. If it disturbs them it shows them that belief is 'not knowing', seeing a heretic exercising his free will frightens them..
Very good. There is also connected the problem of the 《wars of religion》 . They weren't most of the time. The old principles of the warlords came back in connection with the forming of the modern state. So what most often occured was that catholics AND protestants faught against those who would put heavy taxes on them, whether catholics or protestants.
Hello Brian, could you share some links that further discuss how the Church handled heretics?
I am actually a fan of an aristocracy, provided that the people involved were tutored to become leaders and their power or greed was checked or tempered at youth. Benevolent rulers under this sort of Plutonic ideal have existed here and there throughout time, it is possible.
Stunning and brave claim!
Fun fact: the word "christendom" is basically made up of christian and the norse word "dom" which means judgment, rule, or law. Christendom, then, is a rule of christian law.
The Protestant Deformation and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
I really respect you but i must say i don´t agree with what you say in this video . I think you greatlly simplified what you said abou the rol of the chruch in unity and peace in those times .
In the past (and to a degree today) when murder was punishable by death, it would make sense that heresy would garner the same punishment, as it is essentially spiritual murder.
"Pray that clergy would not succumb to it". Prophetic. What are Heresies? Old stuff but keep coming back with new labels
well that beard ain't getting any smaller
I'm not a fan of this explanation of heresy. Christianity is very new to me and the major appeal for me is the absolute truth and unwavering search for the truth. You are going to fail, but if you put your trust in truth, the truth will save and rescue you.
If Joan of Arc, to name one example was a little less heretical and persistent even after the court explained at length error of her ways, she wouldn't have died needlessly. Also, Jesus himself wouldn't have to die if only he accepted error of his ways and accepted the judgment of his peers.
How do you figure out which group is right and when do you give up your belief?
Take Corona for example, a group of scientist think we should wear masks and vaccinate asap. A dissenting group has a lot of evidence for the contrary position. How do we differentiate? Are heretics merely the minority position? How is that different from mob rule?
Its why Protestants stress the scripture and committed life to God.
Well, Jesus knew the Truth, as He IS the Truth.
St. Joan De Arc was tried in an invalid court. It wasn't her bishop or the bishop of the diocese who sentenced her.
@@g.weg.3723 But how do you separate the secular courts from the church. It wasn't a true secular court. I mean it had laws for heresy. The church couldn't execute people. It was the same thing with the Jews. They took him to a secular court because they weren't allowed to execute people themselves.
The inquisition persecuted people that disagreed with the church and not just on major issues but even on simple issues of denying the Pope's authority. Now the secular courts were made up of Catholics who did the work of the church in a secular setting. Since the Pope was supreme all the church had to do was to condemn the courts or the king for killing people unrighteously but they never did, did they?
@@blusheep2 If you think denying the Pope's authority is a simple issue you're gonna need to define some terms. The secular courts were separated from the churches power- the bishop couldn't demand a judge to judge someone guilty of a capital crime. Them having the same belief system was a consequence of a sane society.
Is unity in Europe worth putting a price tag on God's grace? Don't forget, you could buy indulgences for your grandparents who'd long since passed away. And being merged with the state they could coordinate to have the tax man come right after you bought your grandpa out of purgatory and had no money left. "Awww too bad," says the taxman, "nothing a few months in prison won't cure!" (sorry my imagination runs wild)
Luther didn't want to break the church, he wanted to purify it of works righteousness and make scripture available to commoners. The Bishops didn't want to give up their personal harem and governors wanted the people to worship them. If the Roman Catholic church wasn't corrupt, I couldn't say they had it coming. But no flesh will be justified by the law. If Luther didn't protest, I couldn't afford to get into heaven.
4:55....So declaring someone a heretic...like Trent did so visciously....is something other than declaring someone ANATHEMA??
Nowadays, nobody cares about the truth.
Just to throw this out there to the comments section: give Roger Buck's "Gentle Traditionalist" books a go. Cheers.
Heresy is NOT to disagree with men...but to disagree with God. And of course that includes people who BOAST about their own authority
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Another great video!
Didn’t you skip over the schism of 1054, when talking about a split in Christianity’s unity?
While the schism of 1054 was certainly a tragic schism and damaged Christianities unity, I would argue that it wasn't nearly as serious as the protestant one. The loss of the East has had much less of an impact on world history than the loss of Northern Europe.
If you don't believe me, examine the state of protestant/enlightenment America and how the whole world awaits January 20th with bated and fearful breath.
The focus of this video is on Europe. The term "Christendom" refers to Western Europe in unity with the Pope. It doesn't mean "Christianity," but a group of tribes and kingdoms unified by their religion.
I saw a painting of a Spanish tercio during Spains Golden age. Nice😁
Largest heresy is Marianism, the Papacy, and transubstantiation. I praise God that ever year more Catholic are leaving and coming to the truth of the Gospel
Your point about punishing heresy to maintain political stability in Christendom is very interesting, but there is a flip side. Catholicism wasn't the only unifier of peoples in history. In much if the Middle East, Islam has also fulfilled much of that role, or even other religions have helped maintain individual nations, so what do we say of Christian missionaries who spread the Word of God in those countries?
Christianity spread throughout the Roman empire voluntarily through conversion (often at great cost to converts). The unity of Islam was always imposed, by contrast. People were conquered and expected to become Muslims or be second class citizens. Furthermore, the moment Muhammad died it split into sects. That took a thousand years to happen in Christianity.
@@BrianHoldsworth Although Islam was forcibly imposed through financial penalty after a Muslim ruler took over a nation, enough people in said nations genuinely converted to establish national unity, hence why these nations are still majority-Muslim today after so many years. Christianity also...temporarily broke into sects shortly after Jesus Christ died and resurrected, mostly Gnostic sects, and it took a good century or two for those to die off.
Pope Francis, Jim Martin lost supernatural faith, publicly preach against Jesus' teachings, with their opinions and continuous announcing these deliberate errors. There are other in the hiearchy of wolves. We need to protect the priesthood which is highly infiltrated, apostasy in the hierarchy and fallen away Baptized Catholic
So say you but not the clergy you're standing against the Pope the Cardinals and some of the Bishops why are they wrong and you correct perhaps it's your pride
I am not a fan of Father Martin's ministry, but please, call priests by their real name and title. Remind them of their office and it's responsibility!
Right on target. We are breaking down into heresies run amok. Come Lord Jesus.
When one receives the boast that Catholic leaders CANT err in doctrine....all other argumentation becomes nonsensical
What is the background music? It is beautiful.
See the description!
Introit for confirmation by Paul Jernberg
It’s on SoundCloud
Good one
I guess the Hundred Years' War was kinda peaceful when you think about it.
Thanks for this explanation. It brings a new appreciation for the glorious ascent of the scientific method to replace this nonsense. I didn't know that anybody born after 1600 still believed in the concept of "heresy". I've always been a fan of the heresy that brought us Newtonian and Relativistic mechanics. How arrogant of these heretics to think they knew better than the majority.
The Catholic Church doesn’t even say the word “heresy” anymore
I'm pleasantly surprised at how much I learned from this video and how much it altered the way I see Christianization in history.
I'm curious if your website is hosted by a third party or if you handle that yourself somehow. I ask because of what happened with Parlor.
I hope that I can convert people I know from their heresies. Which I know one of at my workplace.
Catholics throw the "heresy" accusation at the drop of the Mitre. Trent is a great example(s)
Let us get back to the true historical Jesus and put our trust in Him !
The worst thing about the inquisition, was how unexpected it was.
“NOBODY EXPECT THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!”
or is it?