I just realize something here, Even Older Ramona was right, maybe her younger self and Scott do need some space. It is when being seperated from each other, the do know how much love they have to the other one. Ramona got the chance to stand up and act instead of keep running away and let Scott deal with everything. She set out to find out what happened to Scott and to find him while also encountering her exes and work things out with them one way or another, allow them to overcome the past and move on with their lives. And about Scott, being seperated from Ramona and can only watch her from afar (via Robot 01) made him realize how precious this girl is. Seeing Ramona never give up on looking for him, seeing her investigate, fight and confront her past just for him has become his motivation to try to get back to her, the motivation that makes him go look for Future Ramona in the future timeline, the motivation to fight his even older future self, the motivation to become a better man for his girl and to avoid the mad man that he could've become. This new direction of their love story is just beautiful, it further justifies the love that they have. Amazing.
As a fan of all 3 mediums I absolutely loved the show cause like Metal Gear Solid 2 it reinvented the franchise in an entirely new way that gave me more added substance to the series and gave us the best version of Ramona and her exes. Also I find it funny that the best version of the twins is in the game lol
I couldn't agree more about the exes. In the original comics, only three of the exes had more going for them than just being antagonists. They were ultimately still villains, and even if we didn't completely get their backstories, they felt a lot more *real* like the rest of the main cast. I am, of course, talking about Todd, Roxy and Gideon. The rest of them were still enjoyable, but didn't have that much going for them as characters. And that is what this show improves upon from the graphic novels, as amazing as the source material is to me. While not every one of these exes is sympathetic in this adaptation, a lot of them are a lot more fleshed out and, well, it's nice to hear where they're coming from in what Ramona meant to them, and in Gordon's case, the life he left behind because he was too obsessed with flipping off the modest nerd he once was. In fact, while it's nice seeing Todd get with Wallace out of feelings of love and not ego, unlike what he does with Lynette in the graphic novel... well, he's still cheating on Natalie, the same girl who was his childhood friend, who he left and then started dating Ramona, only to then go back to Nat after breaking up with Ramona. And it was through her overall performance, and learning of her backstory, that solidified Roxy as my favorite of the exes.
But as for the Katayanagi twins... at least the twins were portrayed more sympathetically here, too, providing us with more of a visual representation of their motivations for never abandoning one another. And really, the mystery boiled down to them pretty easily after every other ex had been eliminated from the suspects. Because, while they weren't minor villains in the original, they were the worst of the exes when I think back about them. They don't really have as many funny moments as the rest of the exes, and after their robot gimmick is done and done (Besides, it's kinda lame how only the first robot gets much time on the pages, in contrast to the later two who only get a few panels.), all they've got to offer is the fact that they're twins. The twin thing is the only thing that makes their fighting styles interesting. Granted, Lucas wasn't much of a fighter, either, but at least he threw Scott hundreds of feet into the air into the wall of his mansion. Not to mention, each of the other exes have something sympathetic about them, even if it's not shown explicitly or implied, despite how awful they really are as people. Even Gordon is kinda pathetic, only starting the League because of a drunken rant on Craigslist. All we got from the twins is that Ramona played the two of them against each other...and yet before that, are the only exes to cross the moral event horizon aside from Gordon, once they kidnap Kim purely for the sake of luring Scott to fight them. Simply put, while the Katayanagi twins may have never gotten the best treatment in adaptations of Scott Pilgrim... they weren't that great to begin with.
Just finished it. It was actually my first encounter with the franchise and I really enjoyed it. And with everything you said now, I am really glad they went into this new direction with the story. Especially because almost every character felt "alive" or at least well written + were given enough time to develop. I love it when non-main characters get this kind of treatment.
Honestly the new story is so refreshing, and paired with the visuals and sheer heart from the cast, its so good, and I fell in love with every character more than I ever got to before. Your review articulates all of those feelings towards it very well!
I loved it. Loved Ramona getting closure, loved how the exes got to live their lives, loved the art style. It had me enthralled the entire time. No one is perfect and I like how Scott Pilgrim captures that. I also love specifically how this anime capture that. Everyone is just mad to be mad at something. And lordy do the shut ins love to be mad when creators try to be original (even when respectful) to the source material. It was a continuation to the comics more than the movie. And it’s not a bad one.
One day, I was really bored of the selection they had on Netflix about 3-5 years ago, when I saw Scott Pilgrim VS The World. It looked like a fun movie, so I clicked on it. What I didn’t know, was that I would become obsessed with this movie 8-10 years after its release. I couldn’t get my hands on the comics when I realised they were made halfway across the world and were discontinued a long time ago. So, my adventures seem to end there.. Until, Netflix announced Scott Pilgrim Takes Off. I was pumped to watch it, but somehow it was rated wayyyy over my age, unlike the movie, which was PG. I stayed determined and watched the entirety of those 8 episodes in secret. Not gonna lie, the show had a fresh take on the series as a whole, and chose not to stay bland. Only problem I had was with the LGBT inclusive stuff.. Look, I’m all for LGBT inclusiveness, but it increases age ratings in my country. Otherwise, the show was really great and I’m excited for Season 2.
I feel like the problem is that young Scott isn't dealing with older Scott - Ramona is and it is kinda not her place to do that... or at least less impactful
It’s not about who deals with it, because it was about their future as a couple. The whole franchise is about their relationship and it is explored through each other’s perspective depending on the media. Also they had known each other for years as a couple. I think it’s far more impactful to see a separated imperfect couple still care for each other despite being separated. It’s something the media tends to ignore. Normally it’s about the couple hating eachother after a breakup. And older scott was trying to erase their entire relationship, Older Ramona had every right to want to step in and keep those memories. Also young ramona stepping in at the end to deal with older scott in itself was impactful because it was about her own personal growth. She chose not to run away and instead face her problems in her relationship with another person. Scott Pilgrim has never been just Scott Pilgrim. It’s about him and the people around him, and it was awesome to see Ramona get more screentime and character growth
@@sillygo0oser I don't think so. At this point, young Ramona has known Scott for what days? Young Scott and young Ramona are treated like they've been in love for ages but they are not. He had like two dates with her. She doesn't know Scott or what it's like to be together with him and what their struggles as a couple looked like. Old Ramona did. But then again she didn't bother to check in with him for years. And those problems that led to their break up aren't suddenly gonna disappear. What personal growth did young Ramona truly gain? Her exes were all a bunch of a-holes and leaving or breaking up or running away is okay. You don't have to reconcile with toxic people. (I mean you can but you don't have to - you are not responsible for other people's happiness) Young Ramona was never together with old Scott - there is no relationship between them. And by getting rid of young Scott so early it is really not helping establish their relationship either. it should have been young ramona vs old ramona or old ramona vs old scott or young scott vs old scott old scott is just a let-down especially when it could have been an older more toxic version of ramona she could have faced, but it had to be scott the manchild, because we all need to see who is in the wrong and who is in the right... if I had a time machine I'd save myself from the pain of a bad relationship too
I just... disagree, the problem is not that the series is bad, in fact it is okay, but the marketing was completely misleading in such a malicious way. They just gave Scott's plot to Ramona and it doesn't work at all, she is probably the most interesting character in the series and was just reduced to "girl Scott", she deserved better than being a substitute for the main character, and they way they went about it was even worse because it breaks the series theme as a whole, because Scott and Ramona are two assholes with a lot of problems that slowly pushes them away and back together until they get their shit together, in the anime all their problems are just hand waved away, hell Ramona barely had problems in this adaptation, she just fix stuff out of her sheer awesomeness.
Those are all fair points, I think they should have been more honest with the marketing upfront. I also think that the story would've benefited from having more than 8 episodes to incorporate more themes and character arcs from the comics. The movie did the the character arcs better imo.
@@TheWildCard the movie is great but i feel like it suffers from the fact that it takes place over about a week like most films really. So their relationship just feels too shallow at times for the struggle Scott goes through. But TBH the series would benefit more from expanding the universe instead of rewriting it, hell a prequel from Ramona POV would've been amazing, a sequel after the original comic would've too. Feels like they wanted to make something completely different but didn't want to ditch the IP, at least it didn't turn out another Velma, the animations is great in a vaccum at least.
The new story really threw me for a loop. I mean I did wish it had more scott pilgrim but the actual story we got was incredible.
I just realize something here, Even Older Ramona was right, maybe her younger self and Scott do need some space. It is when being seperated from each other, the do know how much love they have to the other one. Ramona got the chance to stand up and act instead of keep running away and let Scott deal with everything. She set out to find out what happened to Scott and to find him while also encountering her exes and work things out with them one way or another, allow them to overcome the past and move on with their lives. And about Scott, being seperated from Ramona and can only watch her from afar (via Robot 01) made him realize how precious this girl is. Seeing Ramona never give up on looking for him, seeing her investigate, fight and confront her past just for him has become his motivation to try to get back to her, the motivation that makes him go look for Future Ramona in the future timeline, the motivation to fight his even older future self, the motivation to become a better man for his girl and to avoid the mad man that he could've become. This new direction of their love story is just beautiful, it further justifies the love that they have. Amazing.
As a fan of all 3 mediums I absolutely loved the show cause like Metal Gear Solid 2 it reinvented the franchise in an entirely new way that gave me more added substance to the series and gave us the best version of Ramona and her exes. Also I find it funny that the best version of the twins is in the game lol
I couldn't agree more about the exes. In the original comics, only three of the exes had more going for them than just being antagonists. They were ultimately still villains, and even if we didn't completely get their backstories, they felt a lot more *real* like the rest of the main cast. I am, of course, talking about Todd, Roxy and Gideon. The rest of them were still enjoyable, but didn't have that much going for them as characters.
And that is what this show improves upon from the graphic novels, as amazing as the source material is to me. While not every one of these exes is sympathetic in this adaptation, a lot of them are a lot more fleshed out and, well, it's nice to hear where they're coming from in what Ramona meant to them, and in Gordon's case, the life he left behind because he was too obsessed with flipping off the modest nerd he once was. In fact, while it's nice seeing Todd get with Wallace out of feelings of love and not ego, unlike what he does with Lynette in the graphic novel... well, he's still cheating on Natalie, the same girl who was his childhood friend, who he left and then started dating Ramona, only to then go back to Nat after breaking up with Ramona. And it was through her overall performance, and learning of her backstory, that solidified Roxy as my favorite of the exes.
But as for the Katayanagi twins... at least the twins were portrayed more sympathetically here, too, providing us with more of a visual representation of their motivations for never abandoning one another. And really, the mystery boiled down to them pretty easily after every other ex had been eliminated from the suspects. Because, while they weren't minor villains in the original, they were the worst of the exes when I think back about them. They don't really have as many funny moments as the rest of the exes, and after their robot gimmick is done and done (Besides, it's kinda lame how only the first robot gets much time on the pages, in contrast to the later two who only get a few panels.), all they've got to offer is the fact that they're twins. The twin thing is the only thing that makes their fighting styles interesting. Granted, Lucas wasn't much of a fighter, either, but at least he threw Scott hundreds of feet into the air into the wall of his mansion.
Not to mention, each of the other exes have something sympathetic about them, even if it's not shown explicitly or implied, despite how awful they really are as people. Even Gordon is kinda pathetic, only starting the League because of a drunken rant on Craigslist. All we got from the twins is that Ramona played the two of them against each other...and yet before that, are the only exes to cross the moral event horizon aside from Gordon, once they kidnap Kim purely for the sake of luring Scott to fight them. Simply put, while the Katayanagi twins may have never gotten the best treatment in adaptations of Scott Pilgrim... they weren't that great to begin with.
Just finished it. It was actually my first encounter with the franchise and I really enjoyed it.
And with everything you said now, I am really glad they went into this new direction with the story.
Especially because almost every character felt "alive" or at least well written + were given enough time to develop. I love it when non-main characters get this kind of treatment.
Exactly, I feel the same way.
Honestly the new story is so refreshing, and paired with the visuals and sheer heart from the cast, its so good, and I fell in love with every character more than I ever got to before.
Your review articulates all of those feelings towards it very well!
I loved it. Loved Ramona getting closure, loved how the exes got to live their lives, loved the art style.
It had me enthralled the entire time. No one is perfect and I like how Scott Pilgrim captures that. I also love specifically how this anime capture that.
Everyone is just mad to be mad at something. And lordy do the shut ins love to be mad when creators try to be original (even when respectful) to the source material. It was a continuation to the comics more than the movie. And it’s not a bad one.
Well said
SPTO is like a Star Wars movie without a Jedi. I love the universe so much, it’s barely an issue.
Andor is the best thing that happens to star Wars since rogue one
Loved it too ^^
Hope the idea of season 2 isn't gone
Fingers Crossed.
Bro this show was my first encounter with it and now im obsessed
Welcome to the fandom lol
Yeah, it was awesome.
I didn't know that there was a game based on this 🤯
Yeah, it’s really fun!
One day, I was really bored of the selection they had on Netflix about 3-5 years ago, when I saw Scott Pilgrim VS The World. It looked like a fun movie, so I clicked on it. What I didn’t know, was that I would become obsessed with this movie 8-10 years after its release. I couldn’t get my hands on the comics when I realised they were made halfway across the world and were discontinued a long time ago. So, my adventures seem to end there.. Until, Netflix announced Scott Pilgrim Takes Off. I was pumped to watch it, but somehow it was rated wayyyy over my age, unlike the movie, which was PG. I stayed determined and watched the entirety of those 8 episodes in secret. Not gonna lie, the show had a fresh take on the series as a whole, and chose not to stay bland. Only problem I had was with the LGBT inclusive stuff.. Look, I’m all for LGBT inclusiveness, but it increases age ratings in my country. Otherwise, the show was really great and I’m excited for Season 2.
I also REALLY hope they make a second season.
I feel like the problem is that young Scott isn't dealing with older Scott - Ramona is and it is kinda not her place to do that... or at least less impactful
Fair point
It’s not about who deals with it, because it was about their future as a couple. The whole franchise is about their relationship and it is explored through each other’s perspective depending on the media. Also they had known each other for years as a couple. I think it’s far more impactful to see a separated imperfect couple still care for each other despite being separated. It’s something the media tends to ignore. Normally it’s about the couple hating eachother after a breakup.
And older scott was trying to erase their entire relationship, Older Ramona had every right to want to step in and keep those memories. Also young ramona stepping in at the end to deal with older scott in itself was impactful because it was about her own personal growth. She chose not to run away and instead face her problems in her relationship with another person.
Scott Pilgrim has never been just Scott Pilgrim. It’s about him and the people around him, and it was awesome to see Ramona get more screentime and character growth
Very well put!
@@sillygo0oser I don't think so. At this point, young Ramona has known Scott for what days? Young Scott and young Ramona are treated like they've been in love for ages but they are not. He had like two dates with her. She doesn't know Scott or what it's like to be together with him and what their struggles as a couple looked like. Old Ramona did. But then again she didn't bother to check in with him for years. And those problems that led to their break up aren't suddenly gonna disappear.
What personal growth did young Ramona truly gain? Her exes were all a bunch of a-holes and leaving or breaking up or running away is okay. You don't have to reconcile with toxic people. (I mean you can but you don't have to - you are not responsible for other people's happiness)
Young Ramona was never together with old Scott - there is no relationship between them. And by getting rid of young Scott so early it is really not helping establish their relationship either.
it should have been young ramona vs old ramona or old ramona vs old scott or young scott vs old scott
old scott is just a let-down especially when it could have been an older more toxic version of ramona she could have faced, but it had to be scott the manchild, because we all need to see who is in the wrong and who is in the right... if I had a time machine I'd save myself from the pain of a bad relationship too
I just... disagree, the problem is not that the series is bad, in fact it is okay, but the marketing was completely misleading in such a malicious way. They just gave Scott's plot to Ramona and it doesn't work at all, she is probably the most interesting character in the series and was just reduced to "girl Scott", she deserved better than being a substitute for the main character, and they way they went about it was even worse because it breaks the series theme as a whole, because Scott and Ramona are two assholes with a lot of problems that slowly pushes them away and back together until they get their shit together, in the anime all their problems are just hand waved away, hell Ramona barely had problems in this adaptation, she just fix stuff out of her sheer awesomeness.
Those are all fair points, I think they should have been more honest with the marketing upfront. I also think that the story would've benefited from having more than 8 episodes to incorporate more themes and character arcs from the comics. The movie did the the character arcs better imo.
@@TheWildCard the movie is great but i feel like it suffers from the fact that it takes place over about a week like most films really. So their relationship just feels too shallow at times for the struggle Scott goes through. But TBH the series would benefit more from expanding the universe instead of rewriting it, hell a prequel from Ramona POV would've been amazing, a sequel after the original comic would've too. Feels like they wanted to make something completely different but didn't want to ditch the IP, at least it didn't turn out another Velma, the animations is great in a vaccum at least.
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