MK1 is great. The notion that MK is inferior to SF is a MYTH. The reason MK doesn't do as well in the competitive scene is because fatalities aren't competitive, and they change the META every new game. Sometimes they're 3D. Sometimes they're old school. MK1 is a love letter to MVC! They change it up too often for professional players to re-learn a new concept of play every time a game comes out. Also, de-synchrinization undoubtedly played a huge role in the collapse of our tournament scene, because people weren't playing the game enough to take seriously in a professional context. MK1 derangement syndrome is getting old. It keeps getting better and better. I love it. The myth SF is better than MK is rooted in MK's inception, because people were comparing 1992 MK with SF2. SF2 was better than 1992 MK, it is NOT however, better than MK2 or MK3. SF6 Is a better PRODUCT than MK1, but I don't think the actual gameplay is better at all - it comes down to personal preference and it's all subjective. I own all these games and they're all great. MK1 and Tekken 8 are my favorites. It's a great time for fighting games in general, but a rough time for the MK franchise. That does not mean SF is inherently the superior game. They all require skill.
It's understandable the PC players are upset. They paid for a product, it didn't work, and there weren't enough matches because there was no crossplay. The Switch players got shafted too. HOWEVER... I got it on PS5, so I was fine. Of the big 3, MK1 was my favorite. But yes, the product of MK1 was bad, but the essence of it's gameplay is arguably some of the best. MK1 is my favorite fighting game.
Initially I was confused about all the hate MK1 was getting, but after thinking about it I believe my positive experience with the game greatly relied on my experience as a PS5 player.
That’s because Mkx was a faster pace version of Mk9 MK11 is a watered down version of Mkx and IJ2. While Mk1 plays like Injustice but Functions like MK11. MK1 is more fun than MK11 but both games too me are to simplified. I find both games to be soulless and not fun. At this point I’m playing the game for the platinum trophy then I might be done playing it for a while
@@coolassjack3214 i bet u never played sf5 & sf6 huge difference not only the drive system but there 3different supers replacing vskills..characters having legacy moves don't really mean they r the same thing, look how mk1 turned out
I’m glad that he disagrees with me. I’m glad that there is multiple perspectives on this and we can have an amazing conversation. Still, I wish more people were willing to agree to disagree and still have a respectful conversation.
Characters in NRS games have different strings and special moves in every MK. The way your character works, fundamentally changes in every game. Street Fighter (and Tekken,) have shown the characters' legacy moves/movesets more love. Imagine if in SF7, Ryu doesn't do Shoryuken anymore, instead it's a divepunch. and he has no ex fireball. THAT's the type of stuff we deal with in the NRS scene. And, I HATES IT!!!
Tbh I do hate that a lot lol. Injustice did a great job changing characters but they're still the same archetype from the last game. Superman was still superman, simple combos and long ramge lasers. Batman was still batman, has a tool for every place on the screen, but using the wrong one gets you killed. In MK Johnny Cage has gained and lost moves like crazy. Johnny's forceball was just axed in MK1, ex uppercut combo extends but doesn't extend in the same way like at all. Nut punch in one game combo extends, safe in another game. It's so weird
18:59 "I wish it (Mortal Kombat) was more dark". The words they're looking for is "atmosphere". The MK classics were Very atmospheric with dots of humour everywhere, including the cartoonish violence, preventing the tone to not get too heavy. It's like the old Fallout games.
Thank youuu. A lot of people don't understand that just piling on the violence doesn't make it darker, it's the complex explination of the darkness that makes that darkness amazing.
Love how rewind called cap right in the beginning with Chris saying every mk felt the same , bruh , the meter management has been changed each time since mkx, the movement has been different in all 3 , 11 has krushing blows , mk1 added kameos , the wake up options are also different , up 2 in 11 and wake up armor in mk1 and mkx….what the hell is Chris on lol
That's the one thing about MK. Each entry adds something different. I think that keeps the devs feeling excited because they know that the next entry they will be able to try something new. I actually liked the Krushing Blows. I just don't think you should have been able to break from it.
@@christatarian2504 the netcode is terrible in most of Africa especially west Africa. Nigeria, Ghana, etc. Please get the word out. We paid the full price for the damn game $70 for standard, $110 premium. It's just a terrible situation.
@@Damann18This is more of an L take than you realise. Let's consider just one of the problems you're alluding to. One of the major problems is youth employment. Esports creates employment, beyond just the pro players. SF6 has had tournaments in South Africa for years. Theres really no excuse other than ignorance
NRS is like a Sprint with Skill Cap/ SF is like a marathon. Both are a type of "race" both they require different approaches of a grind and execution of performance
Saw this segment of the stream (fire video btw) but the issue with Mortal Kombat 1 is that most of the kameo roster (which is the main component of the game) pretty much suck with a lot of characters. There is no reason to use someone like Sonya with Kenshi for example. Once all the kameos are as buffed as the dlc ones the game will benefit more. I also can’t agree that every nrs mk game feels the same 11 and 1 definitely play different from each other just from the fact 11 had core fundamentals mechanics that were completely flawed.
He’ll be back for another episode. I’m sure that we can handle the question a bit better. I’m still new to this podcast thing and it was my first time interviewing a non-street fighter player so I didn’t know the direction of questions to take it but I’m learning and hopefully the next one you can learn a lot more.
They put that in mk11 and everybody complained. Mkx that had basically no risk and all the reward people complained so they toned it down in mk11 and people called mk11 shit.
We gotta give "hardest competition" to Tekken. Then SF, then MK. Tekken has Japanese, Korean, Thai, Pakistani, EU, NA. You name it, they got it. But i agree with some of Rewind's points about staying good in NRS games. You have to learn a new game every 2 years. With SF and Tekken, there isnt much change to the mechanics for like 6 or 7 years, so you can settle into them over time. You have a better chance to get to the top and stay there because of it.
@@christatarian2504 That's a fair analogy. WB makes NRS release faster for the cash grab. They could care less about the competitive scene for MK/Injustice because they're not the devs that have to take the backlash. They just publish the product to get returns. Bandai Namco and Capcom are different in that regard. Lucky bastards 😭🤣.
Nah bro, MK keeps changing so much from game to game. :D honestly I think MK 1 is mostly fine. BUUUUUUUUUUUUUT. That is after almost a 9 months of Patches.
I'm a Gen X'r and I grew up on arcades when you had to go up and put your quarter up on the screen and wait your turn and SFII was where you earned respect. When MK showed up a few years later, it was very different to SF because of the block button and the different combo timing. But we had so many different style fighting games with Virtua Fighter, Fatal Fury, King of Fighters, Killer Instinct that it was hard to master just one, especially since the arcade version was not the same as the console version. I think the biggest difference is going from a fighting stick to a pad, I cannot fight on a pad.
@Chris Tatarian. I miss the music that was playing in the menu off mk4. It set the dark tone, the stages had dark music in them aswell. Now we got a violin playing on the background...
This was a great conversation. Truly. I'ma die hard mk since the beginning of the series and I also love street fighter. I can admit I love mk more but street fighter is also part of my childhood memories and we definitely need to be like this on both sides to enjoy watching each other even though we don't play as much. I love Tekken, decent at it but love watching someone like Majin just kick butt with king. It's just two different opinions and no hate except of just wanting to understand why we love what we love. Trust, as mk players we want the better things that should have been in the game in the beginning but we just have no control like rewind said. Great pod. BIG UPS TO BOTH THE HOMIES FOR TALKING IT OUT!!
this has got to be the least productive conversation i’ve ever heard like this is for real just some dumb shit. tf is even the point arguing about this
Chris T i hope you interview MK Tom Brady one day, he’ll give you great in-depth reasons on why the MK games and MK FGC scene have been in the gutter for nearly a decade.
13:54 I think that may be the worst take ever and I hate that it came from my favorite FG player. The tech system in MK is bar none the worst, it is terrible. Strike Throw is infinitely more bearable and fairer than a throw with guaranteed initial damage that leads to a true left right sequence with no indication of direction for where you are being thrown. It's Tekken's system without indicating hands to let you know what throw type it is.
it is strike throw though. you can duck a throw in MK and can get hit by a mid when you do that. strike throw was the gameplan of one of the top tiers in MK11
Discussions like this are basically like the Boxing Vs MMA discussion. Everyone in their own field is gonna feel like their own is hard and guess what, it is in their own regards. Definitely feel the Street Fighter bias has put thick layers of rose tinted glasses on its players and they often feel they have the better everything. Teching a throw in SF is so easy that people just feel to do it own wake up to basically tech by default. Whereas MK you actually have to know where to tech whether back or front. I’d love to see a discussion like this have a wider panel rather than two going back and forth. Weakest discussion thus far. Still enjoyed the episode.
I find SF6 being the most difficult compared to T8 and MK1. I do play all but the mental stack that SF6 has is too draining; too much too look out for. You go from one situation to the next really fast; decision speed. SF6 may be "easier" to pick up, but it doesn't mean you're fundamentally strong or a strong player (especially against a worldwide comp scene). Legacy skill is a huge advantage in Tekken due to the large roster and movelists. Small margin of the NRS scene is consistent, too many talk more than running the set! Fighting games are difficult in their own ways, this is just my opinion as someone who's been playing for long time. MK2 and KI were my first back in the day and I miss the dark atmospheres those games had.
Yeah that’s crazy. MKX feels nothing like 11 and 1. Why I had to drop MK and move on to SF and Tekken, MKX felt fast, not as fast as Tekken. But more in line with SF. MK11 and 1 feel so slow. And awesome content regardless btw
I def feel like mkx is faster then tekken...idk about that one. That run mechanic and the sheer speed of some of the mix ups- it was not possible to react to a lot of things the way it is now in the endgame of MKX and even now it can be hard to react. Punishes in tekken are typically between 10-15 frames, the fastest jab in mkx is like 6f.
Will do better next time, other episodes went as interruption heavy but you have to understand that we are friends so it’s natural to do that during conversation, I’m trying to give him time to talk but also inject my thoughts here and there too
I definitely understand the US is the strongest scene, however, I feel like the US has not been tested in MK the way that the US has been tested by the Japanese in other fighting games. I just wish that the NRS scene also existed in Japan, so you could get a taste of a community that devotes their life to their craft. Thanks for watching!
@@christatarian2504That's because you don't follow MK. Ask Rewind himself. In MK11 we had the Chilean Brothers wrecking people left and right and winning evo. Ninjakilla put a stop to that last MK11 evo
17:38 Chris is really speaking truth here. What happened to the darkness and horror of Mortal Kombat? That’s definitely what attracted me to the game and now it seems to be gone or white washed.
@@christatarian2504 I will most likely get it yeh but I'm so new even to MK that I feel like I need to get my fundamentals a bit better before jumping to another fighting game which might be even harder but idk maybe it's just different
I loved mk9 I was weak as hell at. X tho I’m not the strongest Mortal Kombat player, but I don’t like how many people shit on 11. Best customization ever besides when you literally could create player back in the day. MK one is decent. I don’t understand why it gets so much hate for the people who really know how to play the game it looks good and they pull off some crazy kombos I wish I can play MK one at a high-level
So the first point raised , I think the disconnect between the question of “ why do all modern mk games feel the same?” And his answer “ no they are all wildly different “ Is actually with how he worded the question. While the outer layers of system mechanics like variations, stage interaction and kameo all change from game to game the engine and animations and game feel all feel too similar , it’s like saying groves or isms in streeet fighter alpha are as drastic a change as going from alpha to third strike .I actually agree all modern mk play differently but feel the same
NRS is 1 slice a cake. They will only give you 1 slice, and you dont get to pick what kind of cake you want. You stand in line and wait for your slice likes its a cafeteria. Tekken is you being given that whole cake and being able to chose which slice you want. Do you want a slice with a lot of frosting or no frosting? Do you want a big slice or a little slice? STREET FIGHTER, is like you being given all the ingredients and instructions needed to make a cake and being told "Good Luck and Have Fun", And when you look around, dudes are making beautiful 4 layer chocolate chip cakes, cheese cakes, some dudes just set their oven on fire, some guys are struggling to make the batter. But they give you access to the entire kitchen and anything that you would need to help you make a cake.
Street Fighter feels much more alike than MK games. MK went from 2D to 3D to tag team to coop story back to 2D, then variations in MKX and MK11 which then were removed in MK1 when cameos where added. Even the pace of the games changes game to game. Street fighter seems to change moves into certain mechanics but besides that it’s always legacy.
The fact that Chris thinks the MK games feel the same shows the man hasn’t played them (at least not for long). The dark tone of MK is gone because of what is happening in the story. But I too hope we go back to a darker feel. Great video as always!
Crazy he's saying the games are basically the same. They literally overhaul 90% of moves and nothing works the same lol. Street Fighter and Tekken have the same moves but different mechanics with one or two new moves lol
Honestly imo a lot of the problems with NRS games can be solved simply by ending the 2 year cycle they got going on. Not only would that give them time to optimize the game so that it actually works on all platforms but they can also balance the game even further and flesh out the mechanics more. SF also makes it so each game is mechanically different from each other but the reason why it works for them and not MK is that they actually take time and make sure the mechanics are fine tuned. And if NRS is going to stick with the 2 year cycle why tf are they not reusing assets like strings and specials?? One of the easiest ways NRS can cut corners while also giving players what they want through legacy skill and kitted out characters, but they just don’t. Like it’s straight up self sabotage at that point.
The opinions from Chris honestly come off as baseless. Heavy SF fan, just can’t convince these guys. If he played these fighters thoroughly, I guarantee you they nearly will see eye to eye. Every fighter has its own style, difficulty scale: SF, MK, Tekken. Only rating from depth in general. But honestly, if they can both agree on the complexity of Tekken compared to SF, that kinda deads the middle ground tbh. Props to Rewind bringing awareness all around
Chris first great Interview with Rewind and Rewind u a Monster Bro, i am a Die Hard Street Fighter Fan and a Mortal Kombat Fan, for me Mortal Kombat 1 is so much more attractive than Street Fighter 6 buy Far in alot of aspects skill Combos Neutral Defense so Hard
Feels the same.....the only way i think somebody could say that is if they aint put it no time and frustrated how different the mk games are it takes a completely different approach and style from any other arcade fighter
0:25 When you said that shit... naw you're disqualified for that. Ain't no way you said each mk feels the same when character move lists and mechanics are always different in every other installment
@@MrLashai93 bro I was low-key getting salty when he said other fighters got it easier cause we can holdback for movement and guard? Like I can see where he was coming from but still 💀.
Imo there is no tech when it comes throwing in mk. Its just a guess and always a guess. I think if mk had an universal tech button, it could open more creativity to the characters
Rewind is speaking facts. I haven't played MK1 yet because I still have the muscle memory from MK11 that I don't want to change. I haven't played SF in over 10 years and recently jumped into SF6 and for the most part Ken's basic moves since the arcade days are still the same. However, NRS is slowly killing itself mainly because that studio is going against the main principles from back then that made it successful. NRS is the issue. Period. Capcom is a better studio and understands what made Street Fighter Street Fighter.
Street fighter is hard game for sure but it ain’t harder than tekken it’s a fact street fighter being the hardest game in the since of competition that has to go to tekken but Mk1 vs street fighter tho I agree
I use the exact same base gameplay from SF2 in SF6. But MK is designed to not have legacy skill. I stopped play MK1 because it has a support system which I hate.
I started off listening and was like wtf is he talking about. Mk has been different big time. 10 was fast pace, 11 was medium and most customization, and 1 is slow and hella combos
I mess with you chris but you are 100% wrong non of the mks play the same bro ...... i think you look at the movelist button layouts and think it plays the same but its not .......
Hey @rewindNY and any other creators don't playing other games because of views. You could make a second channel to get the audience of the people that do want to see you playing Street Fighter. It sounds a lot of work, but it can make you have a backup plan in case that game dies or some other opportunity comes around the corner. It's smart to diversify, and if your audience is well defined on your curent channel, it is wise to have a second one that you can build without hurting the main one. On the business side is good too, companies can see you as more of a professional player than only a player in a specific niche. Of course I'm talking only about the creator side, the competitor side is a whole different story.
I'm only about 20 seconds into the video making this comment but Mkx and Mk11 have VERY drastically different mechanics. Mk1 and Mk11 are very different as well.
I don’t think Chris has ever sat down and played a MK or Injustice game lol. The only games that have remained very similar were Inj1/Inj2. MK9 is so different from MKX, MKX is completely different from MK11, and MK1 feels like a whole different games from MK11. Some legacy stuff has remained like uppercuts, sweeps, and certain specials like ice ball but the game has drastically changed. That’s honestly what has bothered me so much as a MK fan. I hate the fact that game uses the button layout it does with the forward + back punches and forward + back kicks or 1, 2, 3, 4. I hate how the button combinations also turn into strings no matter what distance you’re at too. I’m not opposed to target combos or dial ups but these strings should only come out when they land, not from across the screen lol. It’s just something NRS stole from Tekken when they went to 3D and then they kept it. MK’s layout only changed because it went fully 3D after mk4 but can you imagine MK if it kept its original layout with the high + low punch and high + low kick layout? That old style of MK is what made MK feel like MK to me. If you did repeatedly press the punches or spam them, then those series of low or high punches would come out until you stopped pressing them. You could even mix them up by pressing high punch, low punch, high punch. Or two lows and a high. Either way, it gave MK this feel to it that was MK. MK2 had command normals like Baraka’s swipe but they weren’t as apparent and there were no overheads in MK until the 3D era so I imagine MK would have evolved to the point where command normals and mix ups would have been a thing by this point. Either way, MK has changed a lot and it’s honestly been a bad thing to me because since mk9, every MK has been better to me and I felt like the lifespan should have lasted longer than it did. People complained so much about MK11 but I wish they were still supporting that game and while people like Tom Brady continue to cry about MK1. I think MK1 is NRS’ best fighting game of all time. Now is it a great fighter compared to all the fighting games that are out or have come out? Far from it nor is it balanced but it’s NRS’ best work IMO.
I wouldn’t say mk has lost its dark edge it’s just not nearly focused on as like the whole action movie aspect that it now has cuz like u still got Shang tsung doing inhumane experiments, ruthlessly killing ppl like he did with reptiles family but it’s not focused on as heavy as everything else rn with alternate timelines, titans etc bcuz we just started liu kangs era of peace going on a downward spiral
Warner bros definitely don’t got more money they are currently $3 billion in the hole after merging with discovery which led happened during MK1’s lifecycle n they were trying to figure out licensing, what’s getting out as tax write offs etc at that time that’s why they been making all these live service games n stuff
I will try to answer the question for him. At release the game had three broad problems: (1) it did not release in a stable condition with numerous bugs and online issues and lacked major online features like crossplay (now we have it), online practice, connection quality filters (now we have it), among many other promised elements; (2) MK1 was the first of the big three (old school) fighting franchises to implement a microtransaction system and it was wildly overpriced, and was paired with a tedious single player mode that had to be played to access costumes (when NRS had previously had some of the most robust costuming options in fighting games over Injustice 2/MK11), and, most importantly, (3) it released in an extremely unbalanced state that both nerfed popular characters from the beta (Sub-Zero primarily) and homogenized its new system (Cyrax and Kung Lao Kameos). So at launch you had a wildly overpowered top tier that functioned that way only because of their synergy with certain mechanics of the Kameo system. Shortly thereafter they released an insanely priced fatality and holiday level that sent anger to a fevered pitch. NRS could have quickly quelled this problem with plans for a comprehensive balance patch and some free skins. But instead they dropped the prices of some items and created "sales" in their marketplace and nerfed Cyrax. The result, then, was that more characters fell back to the norm (Baraka for instance went from top tier to mid, immediately) and further homogenized Kameos as everyone used Kung Lao. By this time players desperately wanted changes to Kameo balance and buffs to their favorite characters, as the ninjas--Sub, Scorpion, Smoke, and Reptile--were all bad. Furthermore simple, yet bad, design decisions made a character like Johnny Cage and his 7 frame jab (the rest of the cast has an 8 frame jab) oppressive. As people became more annoyed with these individual problems NRS remained silent, only making it worse. Then after Quan-chi, the second DLC character release, the game suddenly had a desync problem on top of already mediocre netcode. So players were having massive issues consistently playing online, while avoiding the grind of Invasions, and were being asked to shell out 5-10 dollars for the cool costumes. This was the true low point for MK1, especially after the patch that was supposed to fix the problem made it worse, and it took them a month to fix. Since then the DLC releases have been good. Every DLC character is fun and the added Kameos seem to use the system far better than most of those they designed. And at present the game has been well balanced. There is a pretty small bottom tier for a roster of the game's size; however the homogeneity of Kameos remains, as the newer Kameos are better than most of the old ones. They did create a big balance patch that added moves to weaker characters and fixed some of the most broken strategies. So the game feels, at this point, like it should have on launch. They have made Invasions less of a grind, are more giving with costumes in that mode, have added more online utility, and have better balanced the game (though it still requires work). But at this point many people, including myself to some degree, to other games. I have played more Street Fighter than I have since Alpha 2 and Tekken 8 has become my main game. And I only returned to play Ermac (one of my favorite characters), but I never took him online. MK1 at its sale price is a solid game, but with the mass exodus of the casual market, I am not sure what the future holds for it.
No disrespect to Street Fighter it's an amazing game but MK is changing way too drastically every time and I'm a casual but I'm happy Rewind is on the same opinion as me! In MK11 even the amplify was different and you had no cameos and the combos were harder to land and the brutalities had some crazy requirements that you had to remember and you had variations. In MK1 your variations are your cameos and. In MK11 you had krusing blows which were vital for your combos cuz you didn't have lots of combo potential outside of them while in MK1 you have lots of combo potential but you don't have the cameos. In MK11 you hade defensive meter which was a nice mechanic for me but now you don't have it in MK1. PS: That's just the latest 2 instalments of NRS I don't even know details about the previous ones.. :D
You did the mistake an interviewer should never do. Give your opinion on something you don't know that can be fact checked while in front of an expert on the matter. That MK games are similar take tainted your whole interview. But it was still fun to watch
Next time we shall actually address the issues with MK1 😂
Yessir 😂
So this entire time y'all didn't address it?😂😂😂😂
MK1 is great.
The notion that MK is inferior to SF is a MYTH. The reason MK doesn't do as well in the competitive scene is because fatalities aren't competitive, and they change the META every new game.
Sometimes they're 3D. Sometimes they're old school. MK1 is a love letter to MVC!
They change it up too often for professional players to re-learn a new concept of play every time a game comes out.
Also, de-synchrinization undoubtedly played a huge role in the collapse of our tournament scene, because people weren't playing the game enough to take seriously in a professional context.
MK1 derangement syndrome is getting old. It keeps getting better and better. I love it.
The myth SF is better than MK is rooted in MK's inception, because people were comparing 1992 MK with SF2. SF2 was better than 1992 MK, it is NOT however, better than MK2 or MK3.
SF6 Is a better PRODUCT than MK1, but I don't think the actual gameplay is better at all - it comes down to personal preference and it's all subjective.
I own all these games and they're all great. MK1 and Tekken 8 are my favorites.
It's a great time for fighting games in general, but a rough time for the MK franchise. That does not mean SF is inherently the superior game. They all require skill.
It's understandable the PC players are upset. They paid for a product, it didn't work, and there weren't enough matches because there was no crossplay.
The Switch players got shafted too.
HOWEVER...
I got it on PS5, so I was fine. Of the big 3, MK1 was my favorite.
But yes, the product of MK1 was bad, but the essence of it's gameplay is arguably some of the best.
MK1 is my favorite fighting game.
Initially I was confused about all the hate MK1 was getting, but after thinking about it I believe my positive experience with the game greatly relied on my experience as a PS5 player.
11 and 1 don’t feel like X at all
Skipped 11 so 1 felt mad weird . Who else?
Thanks for watching!
Fax
Except for mk 1 ermac
That’s because Mkx was a faster pace version of Mk9
MK11 is a watered down version of Mkx and IJ2.
While Mk1 plays like Injustice but Functions like MK11. MK1 is more fun than MK11 but both games too me are to simplified. I find both games to be soulless and not fun. At this point I’m playing the game for the platinum trophy then I might be done playing it for a while
I'm so glad Rewind said that at the beginning because MK is TOO different between games. SF is 100% legacy skill.
Thanks for watching!
@@coolassjack3214 Lol it really was hard to listen to, but thankfully rewind corrected him.
@@coolassjack3214 i bet u never played sf5 & sf6 huge difference not only the drive system but there 3different supers replacing vskills..characters having legacy moves don't really mean they r the same thing, look how mk1 turned out
My eyes damn near popped out of skull when he said that.
@@heretickishyt The haduken, shoryuken and many attacks are exactly the same since sf2. Mk changes almost everything in all their games.
I appreciate Rewind for just being staight up and telling him that his take is awful cause it really is 😭
I’m glad that he disagrees with me. I’m glad that there is multiple perspectives on this and we can have an amazing conversation. Still, I wish more people were willing to agree to disagree and still have a respectful conversation.
more competition for NRS games? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 dont kill me bro. the japanese run this shit
MK9, IJ, MKX, IJ2, MK11 & MK1 are objectively mechanically different games.saying they’re all the same is just incorrect lol
I think I didn’t articulate to th best of my ability but fair enough haha
@@christatarian2504 I’d love to hear a full breakdown then!! :)
That right there tells you this guy does not know what hes talking about.
@@nomaschalupas2453your are wrong. Mk1 is the only fighting game where most player play differently thanks to kameos and matchup knowledge.
Characters in NRS games have different strings and special moves in every MK. The way your character works, fundamentally changes in every game. Street Fighter (and Tekken,) have shown the characters' legacy moves/movesets more love. Imagine if in SF7, Ryu doesn't do Shoryuken anymore, instead it's a divepunch. and he has no ex fireball. THAT's the type of stuff we deal with in the NRS scene. And, I HATES IT!!!
Thanks for watching! And explaining your perspective!!
Yes bro!!! I felt this
Thank you! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Bruh thats what I genuinely love about nrs games, the change
Tbh I do hate that a lot lol. Injustice did a great job changing characters but they're still the same archetype from the last game.
Superman was still superman, simple combos and long ramge lasers.
Batman was still batman, has a tool for every place on the screen, but using the wrong one gets you killed.
In MK Johnny Cage has gained and lost moves like crazy. Johnny's forceball was just axed in MK1, ex uppercut combo extends but doesn't extend in the same way like at all. Nut punch in one game combo extends, safe in another game. It's so weird
18:59 "I wish it (Mortal Kombat) was more dark". The words they're looking for is "atmosphere". The MK classics were Very atmospheric with dots of humour everywhere, including the cartoonish violence, preventing the tone to not get too heavy. It's like the old Fallout games.
I definitely wish they bring the atmosphere back. Thank you for your perspective.
Thank youuu. A lot of people don't understand that just piling on the violence doesn't make it darker, it's the complex explination of the darkness that makes that darkness amazing.
Love how rewind called cap right in the beginning with Chris saying every mk felt the same , bruh , the meter management has been changed each time since mkx, the movement has been different in all 3 , 11 has krushing blows , mk1 added kameos , the wake up options are also different , up 2 in 11 and wake up armor in mk1 and mkx….what the hell is Chris on lol
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That's the one thing about MK. Each entry adds something different. I think that keeps the devs feeling excited because they know that the next entry they will be able to try something new. I actually liked the Krushing Blows. I just don't think you should have been able to break from it.
@@christatarian2504 I watched for rewind buddy but I still did give you that view so you’re welcome
kameos are just universal variations though, its not really new tbh
Apparently he's on street fighter. Lol
Africa has some amazing underrated MK1 players but Netherealm aint giving them the chance to be part of the Pro Kompetition and its really sad
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Agreed
@@christatarian2504 the netcode is terrible in most of Africa especially west Africa. Nigeria, Ghana, etc.
Please get the word out. We paid the full price for the damn game $70 for standard, $110 premium.
It's just a terrible situation.
Africa has bigger problems to deal with that competing in a fighting game. Why don’t they worry about joining the first world first
@@Damann18This is more of an L take than you realise. Let's consider just one of the problems you're alluding to. One of the major problems is youth employment. Esports creates employment, beyond just the pro players. SF6 has had tournaments in South Africa for years. Theres really no excuse other than ignorance
NRS needs to release a skin that gives all proceeds to tournament prize pools.
That’s an amazing idea
NRS is like a Sprint with Skill Cap/ SF is like a marathon. Both are a type of "race" both they require different approaches of a grind and execution of performance
GREAT perspective !
That's the one thing we can agree on. I miss the darker spirit and aura of MK.
Yessir!! 100%
Street fighter 4 5 and 6 are Wwwwwaaaaayyy more similar to each other than MK 9, 10, and 11 and injustice.
I disagreeeeeeee 😭
The japan of SF is the south america of MK. We have japanese players, they just speak spanish🤣🤣🤣
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Ong lmaooo 💯‼️‼️‼️🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's what i always tell people lol.
As a chilean person, I could not agree more😂
As a South American who follows competitive MK in all regions, I can say that Brazil and Chile are on another level in MK1 currently
Saw this segment of the stream (fire video btw) but the issue with Mortal Kombat 1 is that most of the kameo roster (which is the main component of the game) pretty much suck with a lot of characters. There is no reason to use someone like Sonya with Kenshi for example. Once all the kameos are as buffed as the dlc ones the game will benefit more. I also can’t agree that every nrs mk game feels the same 11 and 1 definitely play different from each other just from the fact 11 had core fundamentals mechanics that were completely flawed.
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Really did enjoy Rewinds insight on comparing both games. More of that please.
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“We play the world” boy sit down. 🤣💀
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The block button thing is real, I remember it feeling so weird when I first tried MK11
Same here bro I was like wtf is THIS!
Rewind was talking about me when he said “some players are still learning how to use the block button”.
Bro facts me too 😂
Damn another good talk. Nice to see you digging into all fighting games
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I tried playing again and omni man feels like i barely get a turn to press a button and turned it back off
Lmfaooo
He's not even top tier lol. But he sure is annoying
What I took from this conversation - These two are homies, and I still don't understand what's going on with MK1.
He’ll be back for another episode. I’m sure that we can handle the question a bit better. I’m still new to this podcast thing and it was my first time interviewing a non-street fighter player so I didn’t know the direction of questions to take it but I’m learning and hopefully the next one you can learn a lot more.
One of the biggest problem with Mk is risk reward is sooo unbalanced, small risk, high reward
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They put that in mk11 and everybody complained.
Mkx that had basically no risk and all the reward people complained so they toned it down in mk11 and people called mk11 shit.
@@annomalli And the cycle continues on...
Rewind knows his stuff. Big respect for that man
He definitely knows
That’s why MK is in the position it’s in now. Because it’s nothing like X 😭
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We gotta give "hardest competition" to Tekken. Then SF, then MK. Tekken has Japanese, Korean, Thai, Pakistani, EU, NA. You name it, they got it. But i agree with some of Rewind's points about staying good in NRS games. You have to learn a new game every 2 years.
With SF and Tekken, there isnt much change to the mechanics for like 6 or 7 years, so you can settle into them over time. You have a better chance to get to the top and stay there because of it.
Someone mentioned MK games are sprints , SF games are like marathons , amazing view
@@christatarian2504 That's a fair analogy. WB makes NRS release faster for the cash grab. They could care less about the competitive scene for MK/Injustice because they're not the devs that have to take the backlash. They just publish the product to get returns. Bandai Namco and Capcom are different in that regard. Lucky bastards 😭🤣.
Collab more with kizzy, jwong, yipes or punk when you want to transition games.
I got Yipes and Kiz on standby fasho
@@christatarian2504 lmao I was speaking to rewind and forgot this was on your channel.
Nah bro, MK keeps changing so much from game to game. :D honestly I think MK 1 is mostly fine. BUUUUUUUUUUUUUT. That is after almost a 9 months of Patches.
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I'm a Gen X'r and I grew up on arcades when you had to go up and put your quarter up on the screen and wait your turn and SFII was where you earned respect. When MK showed up a few years later, it was very different to SF because of the block button and the different combo timing. But we had so many different style fighting games with Virtua Fighter, Fatal Fury, King of Fighters, Killer Instinct that it was hard to master just one, especially since the arcade version was not the same as the console version. I think the biggest difference is going from a fighting stick to a pad, I cannot fight on a pad.
Neither can I bro pad is so hard lol you ain’t alone, thanks for showing love and watching OG. Have a blessed one
@Chris Tatarian. I miss the music that was playing in the menu off mk4. It set the dark tone, the stages had dark music in them aswell. Now we got a violin playing on the background...
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This was a great conversation. Truly. I'ma die hard mk since the beginning of the series and I also love street fighter. I can admit I love mk more but street fighter is also part of my childhood memories and we definitely need to be like this on both sides to enjoy watching each other even though we don't play as much. I love Tekken, decent at it but love watching someone like Majin just kick butt with king. It's just two different opinions and no hate except of just wanting to understand why we love what we love. Trust, as mk players we want the better things that should have been in the game in the beginning but we just have no control like rewind said. Great pod. BIG UPS TO BOTH THE HOMIES FOR TALKING IT OUT!!
Big ups to you bro thank you!
this has got to be the least productive conversation i’ve ever heard like this is for real just some dumb shit. tf is even the point arguing about this
You the only one that feels this way but stay blessed bro, keep that energy out of here though 😂🫡
Saying "MK1 feels like MK11" is wild... But everyone has an opinion. The gameplay for both are DRASTICALLY different.
Idk man … idk 🤷♂️ 😂
Chris T i hope you interview MK Tom Brady one day, he’ll give you great in-depth reasons on why the MK games and MK FGC scene have been in the gutter for nearly a decade.
You’re not the only one who’s requested him hmmm
@@christatarian2504 please make it happen bro 🙏🏽
13:54 I think that may be the worst take ever and I hate that it came from my favorite FG player. The tech system in MK is bar none the worst, it is terrible. Strike Throw is infinitely more bearable and fairer than a throw with guaranteed initial damage that leads to a true left right sequence with no indication of direction for where you are being thrown.
It's Tekken's system without indicating hands to let you know what throw type it is.
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Did everyone forget you can neutral duck throws And full combo punish
it is strike throw though. you can duck a throw in MK and can get hit by a mid when you do that. strike throw was the gameplan of one of the top tiers in MK11
Street fighter throws are more broken you can't even punish them on jump, you can't tech on pure reaction, leads to oki
Discussions like this are basically like the Boxing Vs MMA discussion. Everyone in their own field is gonna feel like their own is hard and guess what, it is in their own regards. Definitely feel the Street Fighter bias has put thick layers of rose tinted glasses on its players and they often feel they have the better everything. Teching a throw in SF is so easy that people just feel to do it own wake up to basically tech by default. Whereas MK you actually have to know where to tech whether back or front. I’d love to see a discussion like this have a wider panel rather than two going back and forth. Weakest discussion thus far. Still enjoyed the episode.
We’re going to dive deeper on the next episode
Unfortunate that MK gets banned in some places
I wonder how crazy it could get if everyone could play
I agree bro
I find SF6 being the most difficult compared to T8 and MK1. I do play all but the mental stack that SF6 has is too draining; too much too look out for. You go from one situation to the next really fast; decision speed. SF6 may be "easier" to pick up, but it doesn't mean you're fundamentally strong or a strong player (especially against a worldwide comp scene). Legacy skill is a huge advantage in Tekken due to the large roster and movelists. Small margin of the NRS scene is consistent, too many talk more than running the set! Fighting games are difficult in their own ways, this is just my opinion as someone who's been playing for long time. MK2 and KI were my first back in the day and I miss the dark atmospheres those games had.
🫡 keep grinding bro
Yeah that’s crazy. MKX feels nothing like 11 and 1. Why I had to drop MK and move on to SF and Tekken, MKX felt fast, not as fast as Tekken. But more in line with SF. MK11 and 1 feel so slow. And awesome content regardless btw
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I def feel like mkx is faster then tekken...idk about that one. That run mechanic and the sheer speed of some of the mix ups- it was not possible to react to a lot of things the way it is now in the endgame of MKX and even now it can be hard to react. Punishes in tekken are typically between 10-15 frames, the fastest jab in mkx is like 6f.
What's your favorite character of mk chris? Good episode!
Sheeva!!
@@christatarian2504 My Main MAN!!
@@christatarian2504I'm team kitana, Scorpion(hanzo) and Sonya
Dope ass Interview but can we talk 1 at a time por favor? the interruptions are excessive.
Will do better next time, other episodes went as interruption heavy but you have to understand that we are friends so it’s natural to do that during conversation, I’m trying to give him time to talk but also inject my thoughts here and there too
Yeah I get anxiety when someone talks over someone else constantly. Probably because my family does this on a ridiculously high level
Chris needs to understand that the US is "Japanese Players" when it comes to NRS, and Marvel. Like Koreans used to be in Tekken, and Starcraft
I definitely understand the US is the strongest scene, however, I feel like the US has not been tested in MK the way that the US has been tested by the Japanese in other fighting games. I just wish that the NRS scene also existed in Japan, so you could get a taste of a community that devotes their life to their craft. Thanks for watching!
@@christatarian2504That's because you don't follow MK. Ask Rewind himself. In MK11 we had the Chilean Brothers wrecking people left and right and winning evo. Ninjakilla put a stop to that last MK11 evo
MK does change everything about the game, to the character normals.
Yeah that’s facts for sure
Well done on this interview
Thank you man !
People shit on nrs games and tbf they have valid points but Mortal kombat is hard af to stay on top.
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Rewind cold af at street fighter bruh I loved his videos bruh
Rewind is NASTY in SF
17:38 Chris is really speaking truth here. What happened to the darkness and horror of Mortal Kombat? That’s definitely what attracted me to the game and now it seems to be gone or white washed.
100% agree bro
The fact Rewind is playing Cammy in SF is funny cuz she is the only reason I'm actually considering buying SF6 :D
Cammy is insane you gotta get sf6!!
@@christatarian2504 I will most likely get it yeh but I'm so new even to MK that I feel like I need to get my fundamentals a bit better before jumping to another fighting game which might be even harder but idk maybe it's just different
Your thumbnail takes optimism from it getting better. It’s a great game.
I didn’t intend for that but I can see that, new video dropping Monday w Rewind where we continue this discussion but in deeper detail
I loved mk9 I was weak as hell at. X tho I’m not the strongest Mortal Kombat player, but I don’t like how many people shit on 11. Best customization ever besides when you literally could create player back in the day. MK one is decent. I don’t understand why it gets so much hate for the people who really know how to play the game it looks good and they pull off some crazy kombos I wish I can play MK one at a high-level
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We need MK Tom Brady on this
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nahh he a cry baby
i wud rather wanna see sonicfox and ninjakilla as guests
Nah, Tom Brady just whines about every MK game because MK9 was the game he was at his best in.
@@smoothsavage2870you don't get it man. the ice clone just doesn't work.
So the first point raised , I think the disconnect between the question of “ why do all modern mk games feel the same?” And his answer “ no they are all wildly different “ Is actually with how he worded the question. While the outer layers of system mechanics like variations, stage interaction and kameo all change from game to game the engine and animations and game feel all feel too similar , it’s like saying groves or isms in streeet fighter alpha are as drastic a change as going from alpha to third strike .I actually agree all modern mk play differently but feel the same
Great explanation bro :)
I respeck the loyalty for sure, did we catch you playing SF and Tekken yea get em outta here 😂
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NRS is 1 slice a cake. They will only give you 1 slice, and you dont get to pick what kind of cake you want. You stand in line and wait for your slice likes its a cafeteria. Tekken is you being given that whole cake and being able to chose which slice you want. Do you want a slice with a lot of frosting or no frosting? Do you want a big slice or a little slice? STREET FIGHTER, is like you being given all the ingredients and instructions needed to make a cake and being told "Good Luck and Have Fun", And when you look around, dudes are making beautiful 4 layer chocolate chip cakes, cheese cakes, some dudes just set their oven on fire, some guys are struggling to make the batter. But they give you access to the entire kitchen and anything that you would need to help you make a cake.
What an analogy 😂 thanks for watching bro
But SF is missing 3d movement, a key ingredient
Street Fighter feels much more alike than MK games. MK went from 2D to 3D to tag team to coop story back to 2D, then variations in MKX and MK11 which then were removed in MK1 when cameos where added. Even the pace of the games changes game to game. Street fighter seems to change moves into certain mechanics but besides that it’s always legacy.
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The fact that Chris thinks the MK games feel the same shows the man hasn’t played them (at least not for long).
The dark tone of MK is gone because of what is happening in the story. But I too hope we go back to a darker feel.
Great video as always!
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@@christatarian2504 Thank YOU! You put on a great show!
The darker tone definitely isn't gone, it's been overused actually and MK1 changed it to fit the Fire Gods Timeline.
Mortal Kombat games are made from the ground up every iteration. This is by word of Ed Boon.
Obviously lol
Crazy he's saying the games are basically the same. They literally overhaul 90% of moves and nothing works the same lol. Street Fighter and Tekken have the same moves but different mechanics with one or two new moves lol
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I feel what rewind sayin.
Honestly imo a lot of the problems with NRS games can be solved simply by ending the 2 year cycle they got going on.
Not only would that give them time to optimize the game so that it actually works on all platforms but they can also balance the game even further and flesh out the mechanics more.
SF also makes it so each game is mechanically different from each other but the reason why it works for them and not MK is that they actually take time and make sure the mechanics are fine tuned.
And if NRS is going to stick with the 2 year cycle why tf are they not reusing assets like strings and specials?? One of the easiest ways NRS can cut corners while also giving players what they want through legacy skill and kitted out characters, but they just don’t. Like it’s straight up self sabotage at that point.
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MK1 is my all time favorite fighting game.
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Love Rewind, but holy crap, he interrupts Chris in every single moment
Cause nothing Chris was saying made any sense lmfao.
He's asking him questions like he's on the damn dev team lmfao
Who is getting interviewed?
We both interrupted each other for sure, stay tuned for the next time I have him on ! It’ll be better
As and Nrs player I’m very happy to see this man , good shit fr
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The opinions from Chris honestly come off as baseless. Heavy SF fan, just can’t convince these guys. If he played these fighters thoroughly, I guarantee you they nearly will see eye to eye. Every fighter has its own style, difficulty scale: SF, MK, Tekken. Only rating from depth in general. But honestly, if they can both agree on the complexity of Tekken compared to SF, that kinda deads the middle ground tbh. Props to Rewind bringing awareness all around
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Much love to Rewind, but he seems to talk over you a bit too often. Y'all interrupt each other.
We’re homies so it’s natural to do that sometimes , I do it to him too haha
@christatarian2504 Nah, I understand. Just giving some content feedback since I saw somewhere that you said you're new to the podcast style.
My boi shut that bullshit down quick in the beginning 😂😂😂 homie just regurgitating other peoples opinions trying to make it fact lol
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Chris first great Interview with Rewind and Rewind u a Monster Bro, i am a Die Hard Street Fighter Fan and a Mortal Kombat Fan, for me Mortal Kombat 1 is so much more attractive than Street Fighter 6 buy Far in alot of aspects skill Combos Neutral Defense so Hard
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Its honestly the opposite for me the games are entirley different from game to game. There is a reason people still play mkx and mk9 to this day
MK9 is the GOAT modern MK. NRS should've built off that game.
Chris get an MK OG on one of your pods. Like a super OG like Shock
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Feels the same.....the only way i think somebody could say that is if they aint put it no time and frustrated how different the mk games are it takes a completely different approach and style from any other arcade fighter
I’ve put it a lot of time over the last 10 years in MK games, next video I’ll try to explain
Tell me you didn't play mk without telling me you didn't play mk...all those games are so different
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0:25 When you said that shit... naw you're disqualified for that. Ain't no way you said each mk feels the same when character move lists and mechanics are always different in every other installment
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If Asia played MK it would be just as hard as SF in competition.
👀 I think so too!
Nrs is hard as fuck.
Yall gotta block button lmfaooooo
Facts. This man speaking from a biased ego that’s more emotional than logical.
@@MrLashai93 bro I was low-key getting salty when he said other fighters got it easier cause we can holdback for movement and guard? Like I can see where he was coming from but still 💀.
Hate block button 😂
Imo there is no tech when it comes throwing in mk. Its just a guess and always a guess. I think if mk had an universal tech button, it could open more creativity to the characters
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Rewind is speaking facts. I haven't played MK1 yet because I still have the muscle memory from MK11 that I don't want to change. I haven't played SF in over 10 years and recently jumped into SF6 and for the most part Ken's basic moves since the arcade days are still the same. However, NRS is slowly killing itself mainly because that studio is going against the main principles from back then that made it successful. NRS is the issue. Period. Capcom is a better studio and understands what made Street Fighter Street Fighter.
Yessir
Yo the mk guys takes are crazy bad lol
He’s an MK legend though!
10 second in the video and I have an answer!!
Nothing is going on with it it’s dead!! Play tekken 8 or sf6 in any order they are both better games!!
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This videos are so dopeee
And I don’t even play mk lol
Thanks my bro much love
To Rewind: I'm glad that your fan base is MK strictly cuz I also wouldn't watch SF or Tekken videos cuz I'm just interested in MK.
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Did he just say MK11 felt like MKX.5? Yeah hell nah.
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Please bring ninja killa or sonic fox into ur podcast I would def watch!!
I asked Sonic , he declined. Asked ninja, waiting for his response
Street fighter is hard game for sure but it ain’t harder than tekken it’s a fact street fighter being the hardest game in the since of competition that has to go to tekken but Mk1 vs street fighter tho I agree
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I use the exact same base gameplay from SF2 in SF6. But MK is designed to not have legacy skill. I stopped play MK1 because it has a support system which I hate.
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Cut to Snake Eyes winning a Strive tournament on a whim
MK isnt available in some countries for gore reasons no?
That’s correct !
I started off listening and was like wtf is he talking about. Mk has been different big time. 10 was fast pace, 11 was medium and most customization, and 1 is slow and hella combos
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It's hard being an NRS player when you got to deal with a lot of cheap players on the game you play
Facts
I mess with you chris but you are 100% wrong non of the mks play the same bro ...... i think you look at the movelist button layouts and think it plays the same but its not .......
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Hey @rewindNY and any other creators don't playing other games because of views. You could make a second channel to get the audience of the people that do want to see you playing Street Fighter. It sounds a lot of work, but it can make you have a backup plan in case that game dies or some other opportunity comes around the corner. It's smart to diversify, and if your audience is well defined on your curent channel, it is wise to have a second one that you can build without hurting the main one. On the business side is good too, companies can see you as more of a professional player than only a player in a specific niche. Of course I'm talking only about the creator side, the competitor side is a whole different story.
Great idea!
I'm only about 20 seconds into the video making this comment but Mkx and Mk11 have VERY drastically different mechanics. Mk1 and Mk11 are very different as well.
I agree, MKX > MK11 is different, I’ll answer on the next episode coming out on Monday
I don’t think Chris has ever sat down and played a MK or Injustice game lol. The only games that have remained very similar were Inj1/Inj2.
MK9 is so different from MKX, MKX is completely different from MK11, and MK1 feels like a whole different games from MK11. Some legacy stuff has remained like uppercuts, sweeps, and certain specials like ice ball but the game has drastically changed. That’s honestly what has bothered me so much as a MK fan.
I hate the fact that game uses the button layout it does with the forward + back punches and forward + back kicks or 1, 2, 3, 4.
I hate how the button combinations also turn into strings no matter what distance you’re at too. I’m not opposed to target combos or dial ups but these strings should only come out when they land, not from across the screen lol. It’s just something NRS stole from Tekken when they went to 3D and then they kept it.
MK’s layout only changed because it went fully 3D after mk4 but can you imagine MK if it kept its original layout with the high + low punch and high + low kick layout? That old style of MK is what made MK feel like MK to me. If you did repeatedly press the punches or spam them, then those series of low or high punches would come out until you stopped pressing them. You could even mix them up by pressing high punch, low punch, high punch. Or two lows and a high. Either way, it gave MK this feel to it that was MK.
MK2 had command normals like Baraka’s swipe but they weren’t as apparent and there were no overheads in MK until the 3D era so I imagine MK would have evolved to the point where command normals and mix ups would have been a thing by this point.
Either way, MK has changed a lot and it’s honestly been a bad thing to me because since mk9, every MK has been better to me and I felt like the lifespan should have lasted longer than it did. People complained so much about MK11 but I wish they were still supporting that game and while people like Tom Brady continue to cry about MK1. I think MK1 is NRS’ best fighting game of all time. Now is it a great fighter compared to all the fighting games that are out or have come out? Far from it nor is it balanced but it’s NRS’ best work IMO.
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Semij started playing street fighter 6 and made top 32 at EVO last year. MK players are demons
Nah it’s nothing but respect for MK players. They’re definitely some demons out there!!.
Rewind is correct. MK changed mechanics every game.
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Fire video
Thank you!!🙏🏼
I wouldn’t say mk has lost its dark edge it’s just not nearly focused on as like the whole action movie aspect that it now has cuz like u still got Shang tsung doing inhumane experiments, ruthlessly killing ppl like he did with reptiles family but it’s not focused on as heavy as everything else rn with alternate timelines, titans etc bcuz we just started liu kangs era of peace going on a downward spiral
Maaaan I disagree, something clearly has changed bro, also appreciate the comment and support 🙏🏼
Warner bros definitely don’t got more money they are currently $3 billion in the hole after merging with discovery which led happened during MK1’s lifecycle n they were trying to figure out licensing, what’s getting out as tax write offs etc at that time that’s why they been making all these live service games n stuff
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I will try to answer the question for him. At release the game had three broad problems: (1) it did not release in a stable condition with numerous bugs and online issues and lacked major online features like crossplay (now we have it), online practice, connection quality filters (now we have it), among many other promised elements; (2) MK1 was the first of the big three (old school) fighting franchises to implement a microtransaction system and it was wildly overpriced, and was paired with a tedious single player mode that had to be played to access costumes (when NRS had previously had some of the most robust costuming options in fighting games over Injustice 2/MK11), and, most importantly, (3) it released in an extremely unbalanced state that both nerfed popular characters from the beta (Sub-Zero primarily) and homogenized its new system (Cyrax and Kung Lao Kameos). So at launch you had a wildly overpowered top tier that functioned that way only because of their synergy with certain mechanics of the Kameo system. Shortly thereafter they released an insanely priced fatality and holiday level that sent anger to a fevered pitch.
NRS could have quickly quelled this problem with plans for a comprehensive balance patch and some free skins. But instead they dropped the prices of some items and created "sales" in their marketplace and nerfed Cyrax. The result, then, was that more characters fell back to the norm (Baraka for instance went from top tier to mid, immediately) and further homogenized Kameos as everyone used Kung Lao. By this time players desperately wanted changes to Kameo balance and buffs to their favorite characters, as the ninjas--Sub, Scorpion, Smoke, and Reptile--were all bad. Furthermore simple, yet bad, design decisions made a character like Johnny Cage and his 7 frame jab (the rest of the cast has an 8 frame jab) oppressive. As people became more annoyed with these individual problems NRS remained silent, only making it worse.
Then after Quan-chi, the second DLC character release, the game suddenly had a desync problem on top of already mediocre netcode. So players were having massive issues consistently playing online, while avoiding the grind of Invasions, and were being asked to shell out 5-10 dollars for the cool costumes. This was the true low point for MK1, especially after the patch that was supposed to fix the problem made it worse, and it took them a month to fix. Since then the DLC releases have been good. Every DLC character is fun and the added Kameos seem to use the system far better than most of those they designed. And at present the game has been well balanced. There is a pretty small bottom tier for a roster of the game's size; however the homogeneity of Kameos remains, as the newer Kameos are better than most of the old ones. They did create a big balance patch that added moves to weaker characters and fixed some of the most broken strategies. So the game feels, at this point, like it should have on launch. They have made Invasions less of a grind, are more giving with costumes in that mode, have added more online utility, and have better balanced the game (though it still requires work). But at this point many people, including myself to some degree, to other games. I have played more Street Fighter than I have since Alpha 2 and Tekken 8 has become my main game. And I only returned to play Ermac (one of my favorite characters), but I never took him online.
MK1 at its sale price is a solid game, but with the mass exodus of the casual market, I am not sure what the future holds for it.
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No disrespect to Street Fighter it's an amazing game but MK is changing way too drastically every time and I'm a casual but I'm happy Rewind is on the same opinion as me!
In MK11 even the amplify was different and you had no cameos and the combos were harder to land and the brutalities had some crazy requirements that you had to remember and you had variations.
In MK1 your variations are your cameos and. In MK11 you had krusing blows which were vital for your combos cuz you didn't have lots of combo potential outside of them while in MK1 you have lots of combo potential but you don't have the cameos. In MK11 you hade defensive meter which was a nice mechanic for me but now you don't have it in MK1.
PS: That's just the latest 2 instalments of NRS I don't even know details about the previous ones.. :D
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You did the mistake an interviewer should never do. Give your opinion on something you don't know that can be fact checked while in front of an expert on the matter. That MK games are similar take tainted your whole interview. But it was still fun to watch
Tomorrow new episode drops, try watching that one we go into further detail !
I play MK11.
Hell yeah!