Square Baling Hay with a 64 Year Old Wire Tie Baler. We Fought with it, and the baler won.
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- We are baling with a new Holland super hayliner 78. It is a wire tie baler from 1958 that I bought a few years ago for $400. Last year it worked great. This year didn't go so well.
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Y'all are the most patient couple I've ever seen... Ida taken that baler, dug a hole, put the baler in the hole and filled the hole with concrete... than I would have contacted a priest to perform last rights upon it.
Hanging a large glossy picture of the local scrap yard very near that square baler might provide some incentive to work better.
lol
Concrete is too expensive, go with the photo !
you should have taken the round baler back in the field and bailed till it was done.
Round baler should have been prepped and ready to go right after its last use.
Always make hay while the sun shines. Can always eat when it rains.
That's why tractors have lights and sandwiches are quick dinners. Never stop just because you're tired and hungry. Always finish if rain is coming because now you just have stuff with all the nutrients washed out and probably mold.
Evan, you need to check and see how many strokes of hay it is taking your baler to drop a bale. If you are baling too slowly, this will cause banana bales because the feeder fork cannot get enough hay in front of it to push it all the way to the left side of the baler. I always liked to make a bale with around 16 to 18 strokes per bale on this model of baler. If your windrows are too thin to make this happen, unless you are going across the field in road gear, just rake more windrows together so you can travel around 2 mph to get the strokes per bale you need.
Also you needed to make sure the feeder arm tines wernt bent and there were longer ones available to push the hay all the way across the bale chamber in light hay ,also make sure the restricter plates in the chamber, BACK BY THE BALE TENSIONERS arnt worn ,they can be doubled up as well , and check for weak or broken stop dog springs,that all contributes to banana bales.
Don’t give up on that old square Baler. I have one like it and had problems but tinkered with it and with a very few new parts it bales great. May loosen the tension a little and check the hooks in the knotter for groves.
Also, for reseeding check your local soil conservation district for a no till drill, some districts rent those for reseeding hay and pasture fields.
Despite your equipment problems, you take time to record it for us. Thank you so much.
Sorry you two are having trouble with the baler. If anyone can solve the problem,it is you! Reason you are the best channel, you don't let setbacks,stop you, from going forward! And you teach,so well!
Even though it got rained on a couple times. Flip the a few times to get it dried out. It will still make good cow hay
Hard days work under your belt, still a win!
Man that sucks Evan. Just keep at it, be positive and push on things will get better soon. At least you got plenty of hay for the year and were not in a drought this year. Great video, be careful, stay calm, don't worry and thanks for sharing.
Evan-you need to get some hay hooks.One in each hand will change your life when you learn to use them.Don't forget the lotion on the forearms tonight.you'll need it.
Evan I must stay I know you I truly happy of how Rebecca handled the tractor. Hats Off to you Rebecca if you read this
I bought 2 of your shirts and I think they have super powers in them because I get 2x as much work done on my little farm when I wear them! Your a hard worker!
The only other option to save grass hay field is to use a wick wiper summer grasses weekly before it seeds out and pull seeds off .a ton of work .
I would consider round baling all of your hay, both cuttings next year. Keep how many rounds you need and sell all the rest and use the money to buy the square bales you need.
Neat trick with the wood block to swing the arm - major lightbulb moment for me, thank you!! My first year baling this year, with a Massey ferguson 10-8 baler, I *could* not figure how to get the dang arm to swing!! Thank you so much 😂😂🙏
I LEARNED many years ago thats needed is grease under the baler toung were it slides and it moves easily .
You can do it by backing up but it’s much easier with a block.
Should have pull long day and finished baling. Farming, can’t put off tomorrow what you could have done today!
The dew starts forming at 8pm, at sunset. the hay would have been wet. Can't bale at night here. Too humid here.
@@CountryViewAcres instead you've got wet hay and more rain coming. Maybe try next time and quit when the moisture meter tells you to. It's a bummer to see all your effort get rained on.
You have the patience of a Saint and the mechanical skills of a pro.
You are either very patient or you hide it well▪I was getting aggravated just watching when the baler would miss tying a bale! 3 things: 1) We made backstops for our wagons to have a good base to start with 2) Have you considered no tilling some Orchard Grass into that field 3) As bad as that hay is now; you still got to get it off the field to prevent future problems▪Farming stinks sometimes!
I have a backstop for the wagon I made. But once the bales are stacked, they lean against it and I can't remove the backstop. I need the back of the wagon to be open to unload in the barn. So I have to run without the backstop.
finaly someone that puts the bottom layer on its side!! saves on the twine being rotten and chewed we put the rest on its side man have i had days like that have to bite the bullet and bale at nite
I’ve seen some of those hay wagons with a removable stake panel on the back. That might help with bales falling off and give you something to stack against.
You’re right there should be a rack on the back, I have a feeling he may have removed it so it would fit into the barn.
@@corydriver7634 There definitely was one, I remember Evan making it. Can't remember why it's no longer used.
Any problems with hardware in your stock. I was taught not to use wire tie bails because of the wire causing hardware in the cows
@@corydriver7634 I think he could cut it down to fit the height he can stack the bales.
I have to to unload from the back of the wagon. If the hayrack is on, I can't unload in my barn. And I can't remove it with hay leaning against it. So I am forced to run without the hayrack, or backstop.
We had a Deere wire tie when I was a kid. Two men rode on it and tied the bales.
My wife would follow me while square baling and check each bale and hand tie if needed. Yes, we fixed it but my wife walked quite a bit to get it baled.
I don't miss stacking hay at all but it is nice to watch you two great people good job
Evan glad you got a large portion of the hay in. Sorry you didn't get it all.me and my brothers would help the farmer down the street bring his hay and straw in every year. We unofficially adopted them as our grandparents.
Ah yes, weather and the life of a farmer!
You need a better plan Evan 'cause the weather (and machines) seldom co-operates. Suppose you square bale the number of bales your friend needs, stop and unload them in place and cover with a tarp. Then, continue square baling and drive the wagon into the barn for later unloading. Have the round bailer greased/oiled and ready to go. Hook up to it and go back out and finish with the round bailer. Those round bales, if rained upon, should shed the rain much better than square bales
Ha ha, we always had a wire baler. No one ever wanted to work for us because the bales were much heavier than twine bales.
Like the video Evan , Rebbeca .
Good afternoon guys and girls, this is the first time I have ever heard of wire bailing hay. Been around hay all my life, I am 64 years old. They always said you can learn something everyday if you listen. Thank you. Steve from N.B
I may be late to the party on this one but are you sure there's not a rusty section in your tie wire? If you haven't used it since last year some moisture may have found it's way on to the wire. I have a NH 311 twine tie, used it last year working beautifully. This year first time I used it would break about every 4th bale and twine built up on the knotter. Looked at almost everything except the twine itself. Moisture had run down one side of the twine ball and it was rotten in that spot. Replaced the twine no more problems. I know yours is wire but it's just a thought. Keep up the good work and positive thoughts.
Evan, if I were you, I’d find find a new home for that square baler…or I’d hire an expert to go through and tune it up for you if you really need those small bales. You’d be effort ahead and and a much lower frustration level.
New Hollands are top line balers. Don't give up on it.
Hello from the Netherlands and thanks for the video. Sincerely, Hollandduck
Wow, a lot of tough comments here - these wonderful people have full time jobs!
Anyway... good comments about obviously checking the wire first, then the knotter, perhaps the speed. But if the weather really doesn't come good, would you consider making it into silage? (haylage, or baleage). I'm in the UK where we make a clamp and feed silage, and I'm not sure how common that is there. But it would be one way to rescue wet hay and make it into good winter feed.
Anyhoo..... back to the pond!?? Update vid? The clean up, which fish would be great for fertilizer, or the smell...peww!
Great driving Rebecca 👍
Hello Evan sounds like your knotters need some oil. You may try spraying them with wd40 let it sit over night. Nice work have a good evening
no those machines have grease fittings that should be greased daily and the only other thing needed is clean the chalf out of the knotter assembly, you dont want oil in there it would just build up more chalf .
@@davemcewen9991 Oil works great thanks
the bale tie part is incredible. the engineering it took to get it right
Your video brings back the memories! We used to bale and stack on wagons like that. When you have one side tied and one not out of the baler, run twine/wire from one end of the tied side around the bale edge and to the other end of the tied side. We called those 'suitcase ties' as you'd pick them up with the side tie and they looked like suitcases. Sometimes that's faster to fix than re-baling but you've got to catch them right out of the chute (and tractor driver needs to pause). Tie the new twine on the top face of the bale and yank it around to the end. Second end thread on the face, yank it to the end, pull tight and tie off quick. If you raise the lower chute plate on the baler you can put the upper/end chute plate at a lower more gentle angle onto the wagon so untied bales get up in once piece. Knotter problems were a big issue for us and taught us some work arounds. There are some good videos on youtube for correctly setting knotters, I think one guy was called the knotter whisperer or something..
We bailed hay until 10 o’clock at night to keep it from getting rained on and 15%
WE HAD THE SAME MODEL a little older ,my grandfather bought it new ,it came with a wisconsin engine, the IHC H didnt have enough power to run pto and get up hills , battery start never worked ,you had to hand spin it, when dad took it over we switched it too twine tie ,and pto drive, we had a larger diesel david brown 990 then, and then i ran it until 1991,we baled 25000 small squares every year, so in its life with us that was 900,000 , no 1 likes it because the bales were to large and you could not get help to throw them that big, straight alfalfa was 80+ pounds and those balers no matter what tended to make banana bales or not tie on the left side, the only cures was 10000 twine and ram the hay too it , i was so glad when i switched to a 310 with a thrower and wagons ,you only needed 2 people then, i could bale all day and then mow when it was cool in the evening.
Rebecca Jean (that's a pure guess on my part) put some gloves on! That wire will eat your hands!
Lots of folks liked the wire balers because the wire was useful around the farm for quick fixes, but we always used twine. It had it's uses but could be burned if an excessive amount collected over time. Yes, definitely need to figure out what is causing the tie issue. It's a royal pain in the butt when balers don't work properly.
Put a short hayrack on that wagon, Evan.. Even a three footer would help out immensely!
I told her to go get gloves. She is stubborn and wouldn't go back and get gloves.
@@CountryViewAcres Or shoes. Ha. To each their own. Good luck.
That was hardship, the Bailer not tying. Better luck next time. Well done guys.
That left over hay will be a great mulch for your garden.
Back to the shop and get them fixed. Stay safe and catch you later. Fred.
,a good lesson learned never leave for tomorrow what you can do today
Evan,Evan,Evan....This brought back some memories and not good ones......
We used to do around 60/70 acres of small little bales...(roughly around 6000-7000))) small bales....Don't miss this one little bit....Great great content. 💯👍💯👍💯👍
Always a bright side to look on..😇 I have had vary good success with a New holland 273 square baler. Twine tie.)
I have that same bailer and love it. Mine is a 1968 I think. I bought it off my dad. It has been rebuilt but works great
@@Pigpen1202Awesome man!! Yep there not the highest capacity baler as some of the Newer ones but vary reliable.. I bought mine out of a barn for $900 bucks.. Have replaced a chain and nothing really else I can think of.🤔 Awesome machines..
A small tip that may help you and your stack problems on the hay rack,,, 1 bale long ways on the side of the rack,,, 4 short ways, start long ways with one on the other side and repeat,, bales will be less likely to fall off and are tied together,,,,,
Let's hear it for the real MVP here, your spine.
Done this know the feeling
That was really a neat Baylor, the square one that you used and I enjoyed getting to see it!! I am so sorry it malfunctioned on you just at the last end of your field especially now that your field is now all wet for several days it will cause three times to work! I was very impressed with Rebecca‘s driving, Yes she didn’t miss anything that I can see yeah she picked up that hay!! You guys make a nice team and I always enjoy watching your videos. I’m glad you’ll have enough hay though for the animals as so many people don’t so that’s a blessing❣️❣️
Check all your wire guides and rollers for grooves may have a roller frozen. Always completely clean ot baler before storing oil wire rolls for storage and dump about a half quart of oil in each box before baling. Rusty wire will cause problems
My advice on the last field is rent a no till drill reseed that way ! Wire balers are a pain !
Hay at best is a pain in the ass. Hard work, never enough help and then there’s the rain gods. When hay goes good, rejoice!
GREAT job Rebecca and Evan!
I don't know all the mechanics of the square bailer, but maybe try new wire, and check those pinchers or wire cutter.👍👍💛💚
It's awesome that you guys work together like this. 👍
It could make life a little easier if you build a back stop on that wagon
My allergies 🤧 was starting to mess with me jus and buy watching this video but I hope you get the bailer fited soon
I always found that when I had my farm. That it took a few bales to clear the rust out of everything.
Yep that’s haying. Don’t give out on that old square baler I have a NH 67 string and normally easy to fix. Y’all make a pretty good team buddy. Thanks for sharing
Rebecca did a nice job operating the tractor. 👍🏻
Those old square balers sure can be frustrating. Small bales are nice for feeding in the winter and there is not as much waste but round bales are way easier huh? Good work y'all, stay after it
Great video. I think the rake could be set a little lower though, I see quite some grass left behind that will have an effect on growth.
I can't imagine how frustrating that is to see a bale come up and then fall apart in your hands. I've always purchased my hay and moved to round bales just to save on the labor. Load, unload, move, stack, unstack, etc, etc. Hope your round bailer keeps working great for you. Good luck! Love the channel.
Wow, I worked on my uncle's farm in Minnesota one summer about 1962 and we used this same basic rake and 2w bailer...I remember the hay wagon coming detached and crashing at the end of the field. We had a reciprocated saw to mow on a little Ford Ferguson
Hang in there! Evan and Rebeca! Good teamwork! 👍🙏🏻
I enjoyed the video. I started watching your videos when I was thinking of starting bailing myself a few years ago. Don’t get discouraged, if you don’t I won’t either. Thanks to you for helping me learn some of this stuff. Also thanks for showing that learning and doing things in life is hard but can also be rewarding!
Awesome patience’s Evan . Be well! Roger
Evan and Rebecca you guys make a great team. I know you will figure the baler out,you have the patience more they anyone I seen on the shows. Great videos keep up the great work
Here in eastern Okla crab grass can cause fits...it can look and feel dry but still have moisture...love seeing the baler...growing up we had a 78 super hayliner..it had a 4 cyl Wisconcin...sweet sound to hear the governor open when the plunger went back....also good to see yall getting it done...my wife racked many a rd bale...lost her in 02 ..
the weather fights you every year my neighbor had nh68 hayliner he always manually tied every bale took entire day to make 1 load for me this year worked out good week ahead scheduled 2 days off from off the farm job to round bale then a forcasted 1 3/4" rain actually held off until i finished made shit ton good quality hay no major breakdowns but pushed myself hard got super dehydrated took week to recover everyone at work still pissy mad i took 2 days off
Thanks for the video, always enjoy watching!
Evan, if you find the time you can fix that wonky tacho on the Case by removing the inner cable and greasing the whole length as you re-insert it into the outer cable. You are welcome.
Hi Evan, we had the exact same baler when I was young . We found you needed to keep the chamber full for it to work and knot better. So in a lighter crop you need to drive faster to force the grass in more .This probably explains why it knotted the burst bales better.
Lesson learned on red clover, and safety pins. Use alfalfa or trefoil in the mix. Your extension service should have mix examples
I love my super hayliner 69 string/twine baler, it works amazingly for its age. I couldn’t agree more however that some days it works flawlessly and other days it mis-ties every other F’n bale!
Too much on tractor , not enough on bailer ….
Don’t get a wire bailer this late in the game , but that beautiful round bailer will take care of you .
Borrow an old tractor for the day to shuttle the hay wagon to the barn so you don’t have to make the trip with the big one .
Good luck guys !
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I was hoping to see you work on the square baler.
If I were you I' d have bailed the day before. We here in Germany work in the fields up to the very dark if the weather forecast is not sure and we sometimes miss supper! First priority always is to bring the harvest in because there is so much effort behind. Maybe this is anorher learn lesson. Many greetings an be safe!
You both are very inspiring! Thank you for sharing as you do, keeping faith to complete daily challenges you face. Wonderful examples of what life is truly about. God bless youzzzzz and keep youzzzz in the palm of His hand...
L@@ks good! You guys have it going on!
Oh the joys & aggravations of baling hay. Makes for a long day when the equipment has issues & you gotta get things done. Then Ol' Mother Nature adds her 2 cents. Tedd out the windrows, rerake it, & roll it up then let the cows pick thru them later. Take care.
Dump a bucket of used oil over the twisters after the the season and before the start of the season next year, also the wire so it doesn’t rust and pulls easily,red clover is a annual and the grass will come in time
I make my best money on small square bails. And I use small square bails for the horses
Even, you might consider using hay hooks for that work on the trailer. They can be a great help once you get the hang of it.
Love the farmer in flip flops.
Sometimes if it wasn't for bad luck you wouldn't have any at all . But you two work very hard .
loving the videos we are trying to build our own homestead to be like yours one day!! just been here a couple months youve got so much!
One of the first jobs I had as a 13 year old was tying the wire on a hand tie baler, the late forties.
The most patient person in the world can loose their cool dealing with a square baler that won't tie. I'll be cutting hay and pulling out the old JD 336, wish me well. Way to hang in there and keep going even when things don't go your all's way
I alway when by if it felt dry it was ready to bake and when I put it in the barn cut side up and always on edge
Hard to work with Mother Nature sometimes; especially while having a regular job!! I’m in the same boat as you are. I work in an office most of the time, travel for work for a few days at a time and then try to fit in what I love to do the most- working on my farm. Life I guess.
I feel for you...nothing worse than baling problems. One tip...always grease and clean out your baler when you are done with it. It would have helped you in this case to be able to hook it up and off you go. Could have finished that field. Next time!
In Farming, never leave for tomorrow what you can do today.. 🍷
Aback stop on your wagon would be a big help
Evan look around for a short conveyor section so you can unload from the side of wagon
and then you can use your backstop for a full load.
That also will free you from disconnecting the baler for each load.
Frustrating when equipment does not work properly.
Rebecca love those work shoes you wear.