A FAST Car License? Nismo's Mistake; 911 ST; Cheap Ferraris - TST Podcast
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- We discuss our time with the Bentley Continental GT Speed; Nissan's odd choices with the new Z Nismo; Porsche reveals its newest version of the GT3, the 911 ST; Australia has a new license requirement for owners of fast cars; and some old classifieds to make you cry.
Then we answer Patreon questions including: should I take the summer tires off my SUV; defining "motoring" vs "driving"; what watch to get if you're not that into watches; a better 4x4 than an overpriced 4Runner; what is Volvo's future without wagons; and more!
Recorded August 2, 2023
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Thank you for doing some insider baseball on a show a while back and letting people know that advertisers can see if you skip the ads. I now no longer do that.
TH-cam premium baby! Downloads kick ass. Tap screen 9 times and skip (if I've seen the add before) Matt's add reads and sponsors are pretty great. Regular TH-cam ad inserts 🤮
YT Premium FTW x2
Also I’m shocked the Nismo Z is both fatter and only automatic. Nissan, you ok?
ReVanced all the way
53:46 $225k. Doug has mentioned it many times & he mentioned it in his latest white with blue stripes Ford GT video.
was coming here to post this...doug got a great deal
Really digging the car price vs stock market portions! Be really cool to have some visuals for it queued up in advance!
Comparing individual car values with the *average* stock market return is pretty dumb. If you get to cherry-pick the cars in hindsight, you should also get to cherry-pick the stocks. Investing in Berkshire Hathaway for example would have made you 25,000 times your money over that period - way more than any car.
Also, keeping and maintaining a car over decades costs a ton of money. Holding a stock costs nothing.
You two guy are an amazing team! My favorite car reviews from America, keep up the great work ,regard from New Zealand 😊
Regards from Christchurch
West Aucks 😎
@@Heyitsallgoodman upperhutt wellington 😀
Another crew show?
Yes please!
Enjoyed your review of the 1966 Road & Track Marketplace. A 1964 Ferrari 250 GTO for $12,500. That was a lot of money back then. When I was 17 in 1970 I was so excited one day to tell my Dad I saw a brand new Ferrari Daytona Convertable at a dealer in Southfield, Michigan, for $19,500. My God son, that's almost twice what we paid for this house. Since then I've seen them sell for over 1 million dollars. Who would have guessed 😂
exactly. average household income was like $8k in 1970
I'm loving these classic classifieds. Although "keeping up with inflation" is a low bar. For reference, $5000 invested in the S&P 500 in 1966 would be worth about $1.2 mil today.
Don't forget the taxes you would pay having money into the S&P 500, would lower by a big amount that hypothetical money return.
@@RogerM88 no they don't, because you don't pay tax on unrealised profit
RE the patreon question: England's (side) B-roads are still restricted to 60mph (10 mph below the national limit).
Thing is, those roads are single carriageways (one lane each direction) and quite narrow, so it makes averaging 60mph rather difficult, unless your in a road-legal track-car basically. 🤣 Rather entertaining.
The only unrestricted roads in the U.K are on the Isle of Man, but not the whole island, I don't think.
Hey if the air ducts connect both rooms your in trouble
Here’s the thing with the Nismo Z.
1. Why are there not as many manual sales as transmission sales? Dealerships are HARDLY ordering manual Z’s. So when dealerships either refuse or don’t have allocation for someone to build a different Z, that forces consumers to leave or buy the automatic.
2. 0.6s quicker 0-60 is nothing to write home about. This is the Nismo. It NEEDS to handle better and keep the driver engaged and focused. Is the 0-60 an improvement? Sure. It’s a welcomed one. But telling consumers that? Yeah, we don’t care if that’s the justification for the automatic only option.
3. The manual transmission is touted for having a carbon fiber driveshaft. Awesome! That’s a HUGE amount of weight savings! So why not do the same for the automatic? Nope. 150lbs added from WHAT? The brakes should only be a few extra pounds, so let’s say 25lbs or so. Wheels? They should be forged Rays, like tradition would have it, so they should be lighter than the regular Z. So that should help even the bigger brakes. Suspension? I’d imagine you’d go for lighter and stronger parts, like aluminum, to improve the weight of the car.
So HOW did the Nismo go UP 150lbs? Chassis bracing, okay, fair. But bigger FRONT brakes and extra oil and cooling capacity should not be that much.
4. Nissan is completely ignoring their fanbase. Almost EVERY Nismo enthusiast strictly buys a manual. If the new Nismo had an exclusive dual clutch transmission, then awesome!
The high performance license proposed in Australia is only in the State of South Australia.
It is like New Jersey implementing a similar license.
For once it isn't Victoria being the "Nanny State"!
Nooooo! I was so looking forward to Singer's interview. Nice one regardless! And good (great!) on you guys for publicly endorsing good health practices.
LMAO at zach's face when you revealed you were going to the Z launch instead of the S/T :D
Matt looking at all those classifieds is funny but people forget the thing that makes these cars valuable is the low numbers in addition to the quality. No modern car is that significant *and* made in such low numbers.
That question about the car industry having so little lobby power was so funny in a world where you can daily a 720s or F350s
I think the new Land Cruiser [Prado] is a big deal - it will be a huge seller worldwide, as the 300 series isn’t available in the USA or Europe. And a good alternative for those concerned about Grenadier and Defender reliability.
911 ST 34:53 that will be a special car.
If Ineos is in the discussion, Rivian should be too. They've delivered a whole hell of a lot more vehicles than Ineos, and IMO the 1T/1S is a more compelling product than the Grenadier.
@@redlion145yes but Rivian only makes electric SUVs which will never be more than fringe players in the global market in the short to medium term, so Ineos has a higher ultimate ceiling it can get to (if it can quickly improve its build quality).
@@redlion145 Rivian isn’t on sale in Europe and elsewhere outside the USA, so it’s not on anyone’s radar outside the USA.
That Bentley videos seemed like it was written by Zack, really funny jokes. No shade at Matt but he definitely did some rewrites.
The advantage with investments into collectible classic cars, it's that not only you can enjoy the assets as they don't pay high taxes as the money into Stocks.
40% of nismo 370z’s were manual
And not a single soul ever thinks about the Nismo 370.
@@Michael-pi8ps I mean they must have if 40% were sold.
That's a sizable chunk of sales.
@@Michael-pi8psthey’re fun car, just overpriced
@@thatpersiandude7386 I agree completely. I got to drive one on a couple of occasions, it was a good car, but a more base model (whatever the minimum trim that got you the LSD was), with plenty left to spend on some mild modifications was a MUCH better value.
"Got a little dyslexic up in that bitch" LOL, thanks guys
Regarding the 'derestricted' british roads. Yeah, theyre national speed limit or 60mph. They also can be roads that your average driver would do 40mph and you can have great fun without risking too much legal action.
The Bentley seems to offer something that most cars don't when you climb into many new cars, something that is its own thing. I only really felt that to some degree with a Mini and when I went to go look at an old Integra Type R, there are many ways to make you feel special but it takes a certain kind of car to make you feel in a class of one, I certainly don't think a 911 could do that hence where the Bentley comes in. But what the 911 (and frankly, what I'm finding out with my Golf) is climbing in and out of new cars everyday and being charmed by stuff will still not wipe away the feelgood factor restraint and good build quality have as interior impressions. You still feel great.
The Road and Track marketplace bit was pure gold.
Re: XC60, my uncle recently replaced his 520d with a XC60 B4 which I experienced for a week and I really wasn't charmed at all by the nice enough but not all that special interior or the meager power or the crashy ride quality at 160km/h. It felt positively sluggish booted that I had to respond to allegations of it being fast with "oh sure it's peppy" ...Bleh.
As a transportation pod, I can definitely see it as a replacement to the Mach E but I hope to god the Recharge feels better than that. XC60 really reminded me of the infamous Car magazine cover from the 60s that saw a Volvo as an appliance in powder form with "genuine swedish feel". Made me feel awful smug I wasn't spending my money that way in the most boring way as a "well off" person, especially if you like driving.
Re XC60 - I had a top-spec 2022 petrol-hybrid one for 2 weeks this year as a courtesy rental car from Porsche UK whilst my base Macan was being fixed and frankly it was shockingly godawful in comparison. Nice cabin design and decent punch from the powertrain, but the ride quality and handling (in particular the steering) felt so crude that even my wife, who’s really not “into” driving, initially thought there was something wrong with the car! Worst thing was that the Lane Assist (which constantly resets itself to “active”) kept trying to literally push the car into the verge on our typically narrow British roads, meaning it was a wrestling-match just to keep the thing in a straight line on many single-carriageways. We used it as little as possible and couldn’t wait to hand it back. Considering the model we had lists at similar money to our modestly-specced Macan (low-£50k’s) and is actually much more expensive to Lease or PCP, I’m amazed they’re so popular. I can only surmise that most buyers don’t realise they can get a Porsche that’s in a different league (even in boggo spec) for similar or less money…
Matt going with the Boyd Coddington look💪
I like Zack's reviews, less SHOUTY.
No disagreement with true rarity values on certain vehicles, but on the other side of the comparison, a lot of the low values brought up recently on GM vehicles were really just marketing gimmicks to charge more vs substantial changes.
The split video premise would be great. Lets see that!
32:30 yes there’s on tons of new cars at the track but the Z is one of the least coming sports cars I see on the track “grip” atleast compared to how many are on the road, remember when the the nismo 370z was offered, you rarely see these on track,
Driving 100mph in a lambo won't matter much when, not if, someone pulls out in not realizin, or just not caring, that you're doing 100mph.
Seperate spped limit for better trained drivers sounds good but would be a horrible thing.
Michelin CrossClimate 2 is the best California tire. Excellent year round wet, dry, snow, and ice performance. Worked perfectly in Tahoe on my Crosstrek.
matt is a goddamn AMERICAN that man will seriously recommend a corvette (From any decade) over any car he hates LOL
About the UK and no speed limits. On the main land it self there are normal speed limits everywhere, but on the Isle of Man, which is technically a part of United Kingdom, when you get out of town there are no speed limits as far as I know. So it is true just not in Englad itself.
Siata....only 33 made, Auction est $1.8mil
Forest posted a review of the Fisker Ocean. Do you think he had a better built car or are his type of reviews able to talk around the issues?
Recommendation for the S/T video ... Zack, mention how they removed sound deadening so it's noisier. The glass is thinner so there's more wind noise. The lightweight clutch and flywheel means you need to pay attention. Play up the "better if it was a bit worse" in the "worse" sense at first, but then transition to how it's "better" as the video progresses.
Phil Hill 1962 250 GTO, chassis No. 3413, that sold for $48.4 million in 2018
Re: Young cats chewing on stuff...
We had a really bad problem with ours chewing charging cables and power cords.
Take a small amount of vaseline and mix in a little cayenne pepper. Rub a bit on the assaulted item in your house.
One nibble and the behavior was corrected for us, with no harm or stress 😂
Yo, at the end I'm pretty sure the question was which two cars would you park "driving vs motoring" I'd love to hear that with the explainations, and yo Joey Lawrence? Let's see what this dude has to say. One more thing. Drop the Bently Vid! Love ya!
Nismo weight prob comes from
brakes
seats
transmission
body kit
maybe wheels?
4:35 😂 yes! I caught that in the Bentley video. Hilarious.
I have yet to see a new Z On the road. And I travel a lot.
Joey Lawrence! Whoa!
The average yearly return of the S&P 500 is 10.749% over the last 50 years, as of the end of June 2023. So that first example with the ferrari would have yielded you about 2.5 million dollars. Still less than its worth but your numbers are way off.
How does it compare to a s65/63 amg coupe
I’d watch a onetake video on the GTC. Between that and the coupe I think I’d still take the rag top. Now all I need is the f#cking money🙈
I reckon I'd go for the convertible option of most cars for a toy car
That Aussie dl law is just gonna make car makers shift their power to weight ratios for the Aussie market... especially for those close to the margin/threshold
It is only a South Australian state law (for now) and shouldn't affect the rest of the car market.
Guys, what is going on with your audio for the past few months maybe? It takes just few clicks to level the volume for the whole audio record and not go above or below some threshold.
Now I understand the difficulties from goodwood, but in situations like this, where you are both at the studio, albeit in different rooms, atleast the podcast posted here could have few seconds put extra into it....😢
Dude, the guy who says the auto industry gets away with nothing must not have heard the law that I'm sure they had a hand in writing, earlier in the ep. Dude, car companies are coming out with a boatload of EVs that are heavy as shit, but also are generally fairly powerful. Every halo car is now an EV. So of course the restriction is on high power, low weight cars, not just on high horsepower cars. P100d? 451kW. Weighs 2200kg = 205kW/ 1000kg. So a dumb-fast EV that gets jumped 400 feet down a street in SF would be exempt, but a Lambo is not. The P100D does 0-60 faster, and would hit a pedestrian far harder. Makes absolutely zero sense to me.
It's the state of South Australia, not the whole country, & I'll bet a lot of cars will be registered in other states of Australia, mind you I've been caught driving at excessive speed in most states in Australia, Rj in Oz
Sell the automatic only, then offer the manual in a year or two and get more sales
The National Speed limit in the UK is 60mph
Regarding the U Licence, this is only in South Australia, which is only one state. It won’t mean anything until the eastern states adopt it. And yes, it’s just a pathetic attempt at placating public anger over an road accident back in 2019 involving a Lamborghini, that resulted in a death. Plenty of dangerous driving videos from Australia feature cars that will not be affected by this law. They really need to implement some better driver training, and as you and Spike Feresten been arguing for a while, actually enforce road laws with a visible Police presence.
Would probably be a stretch, but if you could book press cars back to back from when the Mach E lease ends to when the EV Macan lands that could potentially cover the gap 🤷♂️
A lot of people would say the inflation rate broadcast by the us government is actually down by 50% if you base the current situation on the original inflation standards so a lot of those cars make a more sense if you double the modern value they are being sold for.
+ 1 for Jeep grand Cherokee. My 06’ went to 330k miles before I sold it. Legit only ever had to change fluids and the radiator once.
+1 for a seiko watch as well. I don’t think you can get a better product for the money.
You can certainly feel the chassis twist in a first gen gtc. I have access to an 07’ gtc and while you can feel it, you don’t really care as much as you would with like you would in say an e46 drop top. Surprisingly reliable as well. 175k miles and still cruising
I had a 95 ZJ Grand Cherokee Ovis 5.2 and it was great. But its fuel economy sucks 1:41:00
I think you should compare the Bentley to the S65 not the 63 because I believe it has a12 cylinder engine 👌👌
You might want to recheck that calculator. SP500 at 11 percent would have yielded 4.3 million on a $10,000 investment
Assuming 58 years and 11% annually.
Yeah that investment math seemed really off. Also we should introduce "LA home" bought in 1966 as well. That's probably a 20k to 2 million investment too
No, neither of you were listening to Zack, who clearly says he just used his own calculations based upon 5% net investment return per year. The official “calculator” was being used by Matt to factor inflation. After profit taxes and investment fees (no low-cost Tracker Funds back then, nor cheap self-trading), Zack’s 5% will actually be closer to a real-world return figure than 11% regardless.
@@neilturner6749
If you deduct investment fees you should also deduct insurance/maintenance fees for the car over decades. Remember that these increase as the car becomes more valuable, as opposed to investment fees that have decreased over time and are basically zero today.
Regardless, the real crime here is comparing the cherry-picked returns of individual cars to the stock market *average*. If you get to pick the stocks in hindsight as you should in an apples-to-apples comparison, you get insane returns. Berkshire Hathaway for example has returned around 25,000x in that period - 10 times more than the best car Matt mentioned.
I was looking at 4runners (since i have a second kid on the way) until i found out that you can get a 2017 cayenne e hybrid for less than a 2017 4runner.
I had a 300hp turbo on 'L' plates. There were no learner tickets. 35mph limit here in Guernsey, same as Priaulx
Gimme a Volvo V60 Polestar any day of the week!
Outbreak 2: starring Zack Klapman
I used off the record. It worked!
What tier of patreon do I need to subscribe to in order to ask questions during the live show?
Have you ever thought about getting Jackson Galaxy on the pod?
Re: Australia’s U License- try not to think about this logically from our petrolhead perspective, and further look at this as a political settlement to specific party or coalition in return for X result. Think Ralph Nader and this might be a smidge clearer
@TST:
As a South Australian it's a definite knee-jerk reaction but was also the "easy" way to clearly legislate something in response to a (hoon?) irresponsible driver who killed a pedestrian on the side of the road because they couldn't control their Lambo showing off on a suburban street.
A few things to note:
1. This is only applicable in the state of South Australia - we have
FYI. Doug paid 225k for his Ford GT.
Whoa! Joey Lawrence next show.
It has ten headlights. TEN. 🤣
Pierre Cardin AMC Javelin
i believe in certain areas of isle of man there are no speed limits
Hope I’m not being pedantic here but the questioner did say “England” or “English” as I recall?
I appreciate that moniker is often innocently used by foreigners as a substitute for Britain, the UK, or being British as a nationality, but the IOM is a largely autonomous state that is neither part of England, the UK or Great Britain.
Hola my car friends
Comparing individual car values with the *average* stock market return is pretty dumb. If you get to cherry-pick the cars in hindsight, you should also get to cherry-pick the stocks. Investing in Berkshire Hathaway for example would have made you 25,000 times your money over that period - way more than any car.
Also, holding a stock costs you nothing. Holding and maintaining a classic car costs you a ton.
Hi
This just in. Rolex GMT root beers are "trashy" because they're 2-tone. Lmao. All gold watches are way worse looking than 2 tone
My grandad was once offered a 250 gto in the early 70s for £2250 . I sure would of appreciated if he had bought it🤦🏻♂️
I am blown away by the response at 1:14:00🤯 but it makes the sema episode make more sense. Just no pushback whatsoever, especially considering that modified cars are what brought so many of us here.
Just no pushback? Not sure what you mean, he cited a book "Unsafe at Any Speed" which has plenty of pushback on the idea that the carmakers are overly regulated.
@@redlion145 on how sema is not giving any pushback on the epa, they both seemed to be okay with just being along for the ride
@@Nick22257Maybe SEMA agrees with the EPA. Maybe the EPA has a point.
@@redlion145 oh they DEFINITELY have a point, and they have made it by quadruple dipping as well as sending armed regulatory agents to mom and pop performance shops. If sema agrees with them, then we really are SOL
As a Brit looking in on this seemingly internal US dispute, Nick22257 seems like the stereotypical kind of American “patriot” who can’t wait to grab his M16 (with fitted grenade launcher) and vigorously defend himself and family from any kind of central government intervention that he personally disagrees with 😂
Being healthy is not fun. Cold showers, Wim Hof breathing techniques, no alcohol, eating organic. Those are all very hard to do consistently or every day. But never getting sick and feeling great all the time is pretty cool. Seriously I haven’t been sick in YEARS I can’t actually remember the last time I was sick. I don’t need medication or vaccines. Seriously I don’t get sick, you don’t have to get sick ever either. Just watch a Wim Hof video and follow along. Just turn the shower cold and breath through it. Sucks but you won’t get sick ever.
Yeah i've read about all that. Sounds shitty, i'd rather get sick once or twice a year and enjoy my life.
@@TheSmokingTire there’s a halfway house. Just avoid processed food.
I just got my first cold since 2018 this week. Excluding getting Covid once last year, thats been it in 5 years, longest stretch in my life!
Whats the real secret?
STAYING THE FUCK AWAY FROM PEOPLE! LMAO
What you've just posted is insane and not healthy at all.
You don't need cold showers (you can do this of course), you don't need breathing techniques.
You can drink alcohol and you do not need to eat oraganic food (organic is BS btw.
To be healthy you need to eat moderately and eat diverse food, exercise, sleep well.
Better not to smoke too.
That is pretty much it.
Jesus dude say like some more lol
What's an F82 m3 lol